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Annexe
I N E X T R E M I S Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2016.08.10 07:55:34 -
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Add a visual indication that a pilot is at war on the character select screen before logging in.
Some pilots fail to realise they are at war, because there is no clear notification (except for a pop-up and mail, which can go unnoticed). Pilots should be aware at all times that they are at war, like a drill-sargent banging on the tents at the crack of dawn!
Of course, there are some pilots who spend their lives at war, so maybe the visual could be subtle, but still make the player aware before logging in.
Concept character select screen
Annexe
ITAI - VIP
"i will pop your wreck with faction loot"
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Lex Gabinia
Res Repetundae
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Posted - 2016.08.10 08:02:20 -
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Is there just no expectation of personal responsibility in this playerbase anymore? |
Annexe
I N E X T R E M I S Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2016.08.10 08:16:20 -
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Personal responsibility should be expected in-game by the actions the pilot takes while logged in. A war dec is a notable action/feature, and should be identifiable quickly and easily.
For example, a player who has not logged on for a week and is unaware of a war dec, and looses a ship within 5 mins, although the winning side will see this as a pro, the loosing side will not. This kind of gameplay is what can spearhead new players. (imo)
Annexe
ITAI - VIP
"i will pop your wreck with faction loot"
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Chronos Thiesant
Deep Sky Enterprises
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Posted - 2016.08.10 09:09:31 -
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You know checking notifications is an in game action right?
Maybe your corp should hire someone to be your drill sergeant? I will offer to check your corps wardec status and update you, for a modest fee of course. How does 30m a day sound?
Seriously though, you can set a motd for chat channels, this is probably a good idea. |
Annexe
I N E X T R E M I S Tactical Narcotics Team
71
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Posted - 2016.08.10 09:27:02 -
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*checks watch* the troll didn't take long.
This is not a complaint from my end, this is a feature suggestion that might make things better for other players. Wardec notifications can get buried within all the other notifications and mails. I'm simply suggesting a more noticeable notification that a pilot is at war.
Check my corps wardec history/killboards, and you'll see wardecs don't bother us haha
Annexe
ITAI - VIP
"i will pop your wreck with faction loot"
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Syrias Bizniz
Zebra Corp Goonswarm Federation
520
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Posted - 2016.08.10 09:38:13 -
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On the one hand, it'd be nice. On the other hand, if people are too bad to click the flashy buttons in their neocom, maybe they deserve losing 3 Jumpfreighters in 1 minute in a highsec <-> lowsec entry system. |
Valkin Mordirc
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Posted - 2016.08.10 13:47:41 -
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Honestly a more noticeable notification might be needed. Even with the new notification, it's possible for it to be buried under other's.
However I think you mock up is a little to...much? The System should just send on EVE-Mail rather then a notification.
#DeleteTheWeak
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Memphis Baas
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Posted - 2016.08.10 15:38:36 -
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This being in Features and Ideas, all that's needed is commentary whether it's a good idea or bad.
I wouldn't mind some sort of At War banner over the login icon, for your convenience.
I also wouldn't mind if the names of all the war participants are made public, so that the other side can find you, for the convenience of finding war targets more easily in a PVP game that's supposed to be about fighting. |
FT Diomedes
The Graduates
2642
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Posted - 2016.08.10 17:12:33 -
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Memphis Baas wrote:This being in Features and Ideas, all that's needed is commentary whether it's a good idea or bad.
Thank you for telling me how the Features and Ideas discussion forum works. This is a bad idea.
CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.
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Danika Princip
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2016.08.10 17:47:38 -
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Annexe wrote:Add a visual indication that a pilot is at war on the character select screen before logging in. Some pilots fail to realise they are at war, because there is no clear notification (except for a pop-up and mail, which can go unnoticed). Pilots should be aware at all times that they are at war, like a drill-sargent banging on the tents at the crack of dawn! Of course, there are some pilots who spend their lives at war, so maybe the visual could be subtle, but still make the player aware before logging in. Concept character select screen
You're in a nullsec group. And a member of the imperium.
The answer to the question 'am I at war' is going to be 'yes' for the lifetime of the servers. I suggest you get used to it. |
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Lex Gabinia
Res Repetundae
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Posted - 2016.08.10 19:16:17 -
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Valkin Mordirc wrote:Honestly a more noticeable notification might be needed. Even with the new notification, it's possible for it to be buried under other's.
However I think you mock up is a little to...much? The System should just send on EVE-Mail rather then a notification. IT DOES! |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
17329
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Posted - 2016.08.10 20:13:53 -
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Lex Gabinia wrote:Valkin Mordirc wrote:Honestly a more noticeable notification might be needed. Even with the new notification, it's possible for it to be buried under other's.
However I think you mock up is a little to...much? The System should just send on EVE-Mail rather then a notification. IT DOES! To every member of every corp in the alliance. thats what the notification is, if you click on it it has the agressors name, the time the dec goes live ect...
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
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Posted - 2016.08.10 20:41:12 -
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I would prefer it if Smokey the Bear or Slimer would run across your screen if you're at war, shouting "DON'T LOG IN DON'T LOG IN YOU WILL DIE!"
Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .
Bumble's Space Log
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Lex Gabinia
Res Repetundae
108
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Posted - 2016.08.10 23:33:20 -
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Bumblefck wrote:I would prefer it if Smokey the Bear or Slimer would run across your screen at character selection if you're at war, shouting "DON'T LOG IN DON'T LOG IN YOU WILL DIE!" Or maybe the Native American from that 1970's Keep America Beautiful commercial with the single tear. |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
3505
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Posted - 2016.08.11 01:24:08 -
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Valkin Mordirc wrote: However I think you mock up is a little to...much? The System should just send on EVE-Mail rather then a notification.
Now consider how many mails can be sent in a busy corp, and how easy it is to miss 1 amongst 100 or 1000. Sure it's fine if you happen to be logging in daily for 12 hours so never get any build up, but if you play only on weekends for example you have a lot of catching up on notifications and emails to do. And people shouldn't be punished for having a real life.
I'm fully on board with the log in screen displaying a little more information as long as it stays subtle. It's not like the login screen really tells us huge amounts of info currently after all. |
Minoo Raholan
Basement Alumni
11
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Posted - 2016.08.11 01:30:09 -
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It's a good idea, legit, but it's wasted on these people/forums. Better off trying to reach out to the devs elsewhere; or maybe csm or something.
Your mistake was having any expectation at all for some level of cognition here.
I'm sure that dude with the gay-porno stache would abs. love having a bear run across his screen. Love it. With leather straps. As for the dude with the douche goatee, I doubt people like him actually post anything original themselves. Pussies. The rest just sideline, derail, or focus on something off the point, or contribute nothing. The **** are you dipshits talking about in game notifications here for?
"This is a bad idea" That's all he's gonna say? No explanation? On second thought, any thoughts he does have, probably not worth reading. Assuming he's capable of having any.
I mean, if it's a bad idea, I would love to hear some concise points on why. So far nothing.
OP put forth an idea that is seemingly observant and thoughtful, detail oriented. A legit "small things" type of feature. A nice touch. It isn't a complaint. It's a valid and original idea. A complaint is like, "I don't want to see carbon anymore in relic/data sites, they suck!" OP made valid points. The idea itself would actually be a nice touch, small details like that matter.
I don't see anyone else doing a mock up with how they think it should look, do I?
**** it, I would love it if I logged on and saw that, like damn right I'm in a war. |
Valkin Mordirc
2292
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Posted - 2016.08.11 01:57:27 -
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Lex Gabinia wrote:Valkin Mordirc wrote:Honestly a more noticeable notification might be needed. Even with the new notification, it's possible for it to be buried under other's.
However I think you mock up is a little to...much? The System should just send on EVE-Mail rather then a notification. IT DOES!
Eh. No.
It doesn't. It sends a notification.
Not an EVE-Mail.
Or sorry rather, lemme translate that to your native tongue.
NO, IT DOESN'T IT SEND NOTIFICATION, IN LITTLE BLUE BOX WITH NUMBERS. ME SAID IT SHOULD SEND EVE-MAIL. MORE NOTICEABLE
#DeleteTheWeak
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Valkin Mordirc
2292
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Posted - 2016.08.11 02:12:43 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:Valkin Mordirc wrote: However I think you mock up is a little to...much? The System should just send on EVE-Mail rather then a notification.
Now consider how many mails can be sent in a busy corp, and how easy it is to miss 1 amongst 100 or 1000. Sure it's fine if you happen to be logging in daily for 12 hours so never get any build up, but if you play only on weekends for example you have a lot of catching up on notifications and emails to do. And people shouldn't be punished for having a real life. I'm fully on board with the log in screen displaying a little more information as long as it stays subtle. It's not like the login screen really tells us huge amounts of info currently after all.
Yeah fair point,
Honestly I just don't like the mock-up. Something less inyoface about it, would be better.
#DeleteTheWeak
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Wanda Fayne
249
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Posted - 2016.08.11 02:58:20 -
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+1 like the idea.
your comments just confirms this whole idea is totally pathetic
-Lan Wang-
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Lex Gabinia
Res Repetundae
109
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Posted - 2016.08.11 03:39:14 -
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Valkin Mordirc wrote:Lex Gabinia wrote:Valkin Mordirc wrote:Honestly a more noticeable notification might be needed. Even with the new notification, it's possible for it to be buried under other's.
However I think you mock up is a little to...much? The System should just send on EVE-Mail rather then a notification. IT DOES! Eh. No. It doesn't. It sends a notification. Not an EVE-Mail. Or sorry rather, lemme translate that to your native tongue. NO, IT DOESN'T IT SEND NOTIFICATION, IN LITTLE BLUE BOX WITH NUMBERS. ME SAID IT SHOULD SEND EVE-MAIL. MORE NOTICEABLE It sends an EVE mail - always has... |
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Lex Gabinia
Res Repetundae
109
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Posted - 2016.08.11 03:42:30 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:Valkin Mordirc wrote: However I think you mock up is a little to...much? The System should just send on EVE-Mail rather then a notification.
Now consider how many mails can be sent in a busy corp, and how easy it is to miss 1 amongst 100 or 1000. Sure it's fine if you happen to be logging in daily for 12 hours so never get any build up, but if you play only on weekends for example you have a lot of catching up on notifications and emails to do. And people shouldn't be punished for having a real life. I'm fully on board with the log in screen displaying a little more information as long as it stays subtle. It's not like the login screen really tells us huge amounts of info currently after all. It has its own special section under Communications deceptively labeled "War". |
Lex Gabinia
Res Repetundae
109
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Posted - 2016.08.11 04:00:47 -
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Minoo Raholan wrote:It's a good idea, legit, but it's wasted on these people/forums. Better off trying to reach out to the devs elsewhere; or maybe csm or something. Your mistake was having any expectation at all for some level of cognition here. I'm sure that dude with the gay-porno stache would abs. love having a bear run across his screen. Love it. With leather straps. As for the dude with the douche goatee, I doubt people like him actually post anything original themselves. Pussies. The rest just sideline, derail, or focus on something off the point, or contribute nothing. The **** are you dipshits talking about in game notifications here for? "This is a bad idea" That's all he's gonna say? No explanation? On second thought, any thoughts he does have, probably not worth reading. Assuming he's capable of having any. I mean, if it's a bad idea, I would love to hear some concise points on why. So far nothing. OP put forth an idea that is seemingly observant and thoughtful, detail oriented. A legit "small things" type of feature. A nice touch. It isn't a complaint. It's a valid and original idea. A complaint is like, "I don't want to see carbon anymore in relic/data sites, they suck!" OP made valid points. The idea itself would actually be a nice touch, small details like that matter. I don't see anyone else doing a mock up with how they think it should look, do I? **** it, I would love it if I logged on and saw that, like damn right I'm in a war. MRW checking out the forums. https://youtu.be/vO0J6seoXBE?t=14s I think it is a bad idea because I think the current mechanics provide ample warning.
I am also sick of people not learning about these sort of simple mechanics and then blaming the game. In fact, the person I responded to was suggesting that an EVE mail be sent which already ******* happens!!!
Like I said, take a bit of personal responsibility and understand the most basic stuff about a game you choose to play. What is more basic in a PVP game than understanding how the damn combat system works? It is simple self preservation.
Why is there a trend of people expecting the game to hold their hand at every step?
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Minoo Raholan
Basement Alumni
11
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Posted - 2016.08.11 06:59:21 -
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"I think it is a bad idea because I think the current mechanics provide ample warning.
I am also sick of people not learning about these sort of simple mechanics and then blaming the game. In fact, the person I responded to was suggesting that an EVE mail be sent which already ******* happens!!!
Like I said, take a bit of personal responsibility and understand the most basic stuff about a game you choose to play. What is more basic in a PVP game than understanding how the damn combat system works? It is simple self preservation.
Why is there a trend of people expecting the game to hold their hand at every step? "
How do you take some simple visual for convenience into a "hand holding" / "personal responsibility" / You're stuck in some loop man, and taking this way out of proportion.
"I think it is a bad idea because I think the current mechanics provide ample warning."
-OP's idea really isn't about focusing on any of that ****. We're talking about window dressing here that happens to have benefits and no negative effects.
"I am also sick of people not learning about these sort of simple mechanics and then blaming the game. In fact, the person I responded to was suggesting that an EVE mail be sent which already ******* happens!!!" -If you're sick of those people, what are you doing about it? Do you lounge around help chat helping people? I don't think anyone is blaming anything here really. And what does any of that have to do with the original idea. As far as whoever you're responding to about that mail thing, you could use more tact. But again, OP's idea is just talking about some minor visual convenience. Not only that, but if he as a player didn't get the message via that "simple mechanic" then the argument is there that OP's idea would be beneficial. And that isn't fuckin 'hand holding'. Don't mistake archaic systems as being some elite ****.
"Like I said, take a bit of personal responsibility and understand the most basic stuff about a game you choose to play. What is more basic in a PVP game than understanding how the damn combat system works? It is simple self preservation." -Now we're really far away from the topic, onto circlejerk ave. Personal responsibility? Self preservation? Shut the **** up.
"Why is there a trend of people expecting the game to hold their hand at every step? " -I don't know, that's a topic for another discussion that has nothing to do with OP's idea. Why don't you go ask that in general discussion. There are probably some youtubers who would do a better job and probably already have videos on that topic if you are so curious. Is this issue eating away at you that much? Why don't you go **** off and find some answers instead of using a question to rhetorically retort and shut someone down. Imo, one of the bottom line answers would probably be, because there is a market for it. You vote with your wallet. Companies use massive big data studies and focus groups to find what could make them more money. I think we're the ones tired of people like you trolling every post into turning into a discussion of hand holding. How the ****, is OP's idea of adding one bit of info onto the login screen, "hand holding"? Why are we even talking about this here? Does beating Dark Souls make you some kind of badass?
How is having useful bit of 'information at a glance' on that screen a bad thing? How is it hand holding? Would it not be time saving to people who have 20+ alts and such? It would benefit many players, over many times. Exponentially time saving. Are people not allowed to explore experimental concepts in this forum? I thought that was the whole point no? What have you actually said that contributes anything at all to the original idea put forth? Personally I would tell her to whittle it down to 3 icons and get rid of the banner and color. To keep it more subtle. And try another mockup of that and compare it to the first one.
Are you going to petition about the neocom having a clock because we have one on our desktop anyway? Are you gonna get mad if they add the current weather in addition to the time and date to your smartphone's unlock screen? "OMG apple stop hand holding my life I can check the weather myself!" lol What, you think you're some pvp badass? You want to impress me, go pvp in first person camera with no ui and get some solo killmails. I ain't space rich, but show me video of those kills and I'll give you 50 million per killmail. Is the buy all button the last straw for you? Are you triggered by the new fitting manager? Do you need to go to your safe space because Google changed their official logo to a new font?
When people like Annexe who have something original to put forth, decide not to bother at all anymore, we all lose out as a whole. When you don't have people like her to **** on anymore, what are you going to do, just **** on yourselves all day?
I mean if your intent is just to shitpost on purpose so more people come after you and bring you more pvp content, then shitpost to your heart's content. I've got no problem with that. But if you are sincere here, then you are sincerely ********. |
Toobo
Project Fruit House Solyaris Chtonium
38
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Posted - 2016.08.11 07:25:42 -
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As long as you have an option to turn off this feature, I see no reason to oppose it.
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Lex Gabinia
Res Repetundae
109
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Posted - 2016.08.11 07:29:29 -
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Minoo Raholan wrote: As far as whoever you're responding to about that mail thing, you could use more tact. But again, OP's idea is just talking about some minor visual convenience. Not only that, but if he as a player didn't get the message via that "simple mechanic" then the argument is there that OP's idea would be beneficial. And that isn't fuckin 'hand holding'. Don't mistake archaic systems as being some elite ****.
"Like I said, take a bit of personal responsibility and understand the most basic stuff about a game you choose to play. What is more basic in a PVP game than understanding how the damn combat system works? It is simple self preservation." -Now we're really far away from the topic, onto circlejerk ave. Personal responsibility? Self preservation? Shut the **** up.
Are people not allowed to explore experimental concepts in this forum? I thought that was the whole point no? What have you actually said that contributes anything at all to the original idea put forth? Personally I would tell her to whittle it down to 3 icons and get rid of the banner and color. To keep it more subtle. And try another mockup of that and compare it to the first one.
Are you going to petition about the neocom having a clock because we have one on our desktop anyway? Are you gonna get mad if they add the current weather in addition to the time and date to your smartphone's unlock screen? "OMG apple stop hand holding my life I can check the weather myself!" lol What, you think you're some pvp badass? You want to impress me, go pvp in first person camera with no ui and get some solo killmails. I ain't space rich, but show me video of those kills and I'll give you 50 million per killmail. Is the buy all button the last straw for you? Are you triggered by the new fitting manager? Do you need to go to your safe space because Google changed their official logo to a new font?
When people like Annexe who have something original to put forth, decide not to bother at all anymore, we all lose out as a whole. When you don't have people like her to **** on anymore, what are you going to do, just **** on yourselves all day?
I mean if your intent is just to shitpost on purpose so more people come after you and bring you more pvp content, then shitpost to your heart's content. I've got no problem with that. But if you are sincere here, then you are sincerely ********.
I'm the one that needs to use tact? Bit funny coming from a post laced with personal attacks and name calling when my "tactless" post about the EVE mail requests was two words in caps: "IT DOES!".
I really see no reason to shut the **** up. If someone can't be bothered to realize after two methods of notification that they are at war then, yeah, I think it is their own god damned fault and deserve to explode upon undocking.
This forum is for people "to explore experimental concepts." Part of that process is discussion about the post (it's in the forum name, in fact). Discussion sometimes means disagreement with the entire idea or concept.
Why do I have to be first person, no UI, solo PVP rated to comment or post my thoughts? I am not sure what Apple or Google has to do with any of this. I think the idea is bad. I said so, and I gave my reasons. I did not insult the OP or call anyone names. So why don't you go **** yourself. |
Valkin Mordirc
2292
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Posted - 2016.08.11 07:57:21 -
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Lex Gabinia wrote:
It sends an EVE mail - always has...And in a special little section so it does NOT get mixed in with all your Corp, Alliance and other mails:
XXX Against YYY From: CONCORD Sent: 2016.07.06 20:08
XXXX has declared war on YYYY. Within 24 hours fighting can legally occur between those involved. If war is due to a corporation at war joining an alliance, then the war starts immediately instead.
So, what other crutch do you need?
In which it is a NOTIFICATION you blithering idiot.
Holyshit.
Quote:It has its own special section under Communications deceptively labeled "War".
Like that! Right there. THAT is a notification dude. Not an EVE-Mail.
#DeleteTheWeak
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Lex Gabinia
Res Repetundae
109
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Posted - 2016.08.11 08:12:54 -
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Valkin Mordirc wrote:Lex Gabinia wrote:
It sends an EVE mail - always has...And in a special little section so it does NOT get mixed in with all your Corp, Alliance and other mails:
XXX Against YYY From: CONCORD Sent: 2016.07.06 20:08
XXXX has declared war on YYYY. Within 24 hours fighting can legally occur between those involved. If war is due to a corporation at war joining an alliance, then the war starts immediately instead.
So, what other crutch do you need?
In which it is a NOTIFICATION you blithering idiot. Holyshit. Quote:It has its own special section under Communications deceptively labeled "War". Like that! Right there. THAT is a notification dude. Not an EVE-Mail. There are actually "Communications" and they are accessed through the NEOCOM.
NEOCOM>SOCIAL>MAIL
They are formatted just like an EVE mail because they are system generated EVE mails. The notifications are a recent addition and if you click on one for a war dec or a bill or a insurance payouts or structures or agents or whatever it opens within the MAIL section. These "notifications" even have a FROM: field and a little envelope icon next to them.
Why don't you have a look in game and perhaps it will become clear. |
Morrigan LeSante
Black Omega Security Circle-Of-Two
1534
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Posted - 2016.08.11 10:11:14 -
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Tbh, the login screen needs all kinds of more information added to it. |
Kenrailae
The Scope Gallente Federation
561
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Posted - 2016.08.11 10:53:43 -
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+1
I DO log in to my indy chars every day. I DO check my notifications/corp wars section. Every day. Even with that, I'd still appreciate a log in screen info blip. Would take a bit of the chore aspect out of it and give more time and attention to the actual game.
The Law is a point of View
The NPE IS a big deal
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
3510
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Posted - 2016.08.11 12:56:03 -
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Lex Gabinia wrote: These are actually "Communications" and they are accessed through the NEOCOM.
NEOCOM>SOCIAL>MAIL.
Those are the old notifications. They are not mails, they are notifications in a different format. Which CCP decided was terrible at presenting information to the player in a meaningful fashion hence the new much improved new notification tab (improved for most purposes) And upon opening the non flashing tab, you know what I found in there, unread notifications of wars. So no, the flashing is not reliable either. Nor is expecting someone to specifically see a tiny basically imperceptible flashing icon on that tiny side bar.
Though sure, it exists...... If you go into mail. Then into communications. Then into war. Then check the dates on them to see if they are still valid, or have started.
So...... It takes me five steps, one of which is not instant to simply check if I am at war? Or I have to scroll through a long mixed list of notifications and hope I don't miss it?
Thanks for making a great argument as to why this is actually important information that should be on the login screen given how buried the in game information is. |
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