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Cristina Bolog
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.08.11 08:01:24 -
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Hey dear CCP. How have you been lately ? What ideas will you come up with to ruin our fun in this wonderful game ? You have made alot of changes. You introtuced fatigue, you nerfed the range of the capital jump range , you chanced the fighters and carriers mechanics ( that was a cool change ) then you nerfed it. You changed the bastion module to take weapon aggro on activation and you cant dock up when links mods are active. Alot of more cool changes like this to come.
But when are you going to do something about the high-sec pvp mechanics ? When are you going to do something about these wonderful peple that accepts a duel from your t1 cruiser and have 2 guardians repping him ? Or those awsome mates who swaps his frigate for a t3 cruiser using a bowhead ? Where is the fun and honor in those fights ?
Best regards, Cristina Bolog |
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
1999
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Posted - 2016.08.11 08:10:36 -
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Why do you want ccp to do anything about that when you can already do something about each of those scenarios?
Just need a little situational awareness.
You are not entitled to a fair fight. You must engineeer the fight to be fair, in your favor. |
Cristina Bolog
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.08.11 08:19:01 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:Why do you want ccp to do anything about that when you can already do something about each of those scenarios?
Just need a little situational awareness.
You are not entitled to a fair fight. You must engineeer the fight to be fair, in your favor.
I understand what you are saying. But CCP should make something, like they did for mining ships ( gave them more tank ) or unscanable cargo for t2 transport ships.
What can you do in a situation like.. you undock your stabber, you invite another stabber to a duel and 2 guardians are repping him from 50km away. ( and ready to undock 10 more if needed ) and you have only 1 toon . The only thing to do is not fight these people. |
Lan Wang
C.Q.B Snuffed Out
3382
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Posted - 2016.08.11 08:47:05 -
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how to fix highsec pvp....move out of highsec
Loyalist to Angel Cartel
Your killboard reads like a "how to get farmed 101" - Noah Reese
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Cristina Bolog
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.08.11 08:52:26 -
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Lan Wang wrote:how to fix highsec pvp....move out of highsec
I don't want to move out of high-sec only because you want me to . ( i know uou dont want and you don't care, just saying ) |
Tung Yoggi
Null Sect
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Posted - 2016.08.11 10:08:39 -
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Join RvB, I believe this is the closest thing to "fair and honorable" hi-sec pvp you will find.
Duelling people outside of Jita's 4-4 is pretty much like playing poker with crooks. You will eventually learn all the tricks, but you might lose a lot in the process. |
Cristina Bolog
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.08.11 10:35:02 -
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Tung Yoggi wrote:Join RvB, I believe this is the closest thing to "fair and honorable" hi-sec pvp you will find.
Duelling people outside of Jita's 4-4 is pretty much like playing poker with crooks. You will eventually learn all the tricks, but you might lose a lot in the process.
Yes, joining RvB is a good way to get fights. It's not about learning tricks or tactics, it's about CCP ignoring some things that usually in another context they wouldnt. Yes probaly most of you will say .. it's game mechanics. So was bumping freighters and not allow them to warp was game mechanics, until they changed it. |
Borg Alexandra
Digital Origami Evictus.
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Posted - 2016.08.11 11:20:08 -
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For the duel mechanic just introduce the inability to receive remote assistance. Sure there will still be neutral bumpers, but its a start. |
Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising The Bastion
1514
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Posted - 2016.08.12 01:11:36 -
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I am not one-little-bit with you on this. The entire history of eve is littered with people who are unhappy at being bested by others who are: better resourced (friends or equipment); better prepared; more skilled; or more experienced. Rather than adapt their game to accommodate those difference some people whine for CCP to GÇÿfixGÇÖ things.
What happens with those so-called fixes is that the better players quickly adapt to the new situation, while the poor players continue getting killed and find something else to blame.
Cristina Bolog wrote:Yes probaly most of you will say .. it's game mechanics. So was bumping freighters and not allow them to warp was game mechanics, until they changed it.
AFAIK the bumping of freighters, and other ships, has not been removed from the game. Last weekend one of my hisec alts was waylaid by a [CODE.] alt in their bumping Machariel. I managed to escape before the destroyer fleet arrived GǪ that same old resources-preparation-skill-experience paradigm, with a generous dash of luck thrown in GǪ but I was most certainly unable to enter warp due to the bumping.
I guess I am almost a 'vet' by now. Hopefully not too bitter and managing to help more than I hinder. I build and sell many things, including large collections of bookmarks.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2016.08.12 01:19:53 -
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dont be a dumbass , dont station game
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Princess Adhara
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.08.12 03:56:31 -
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Why should CCP bother about creating mechanics for fair fights if the game is NOT about fair fights? |
Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
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Posted - 2016.08.12 05:51:59 -
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Cristina Bolog wrote:I understand what you are saying. But CCP should make something, like they did for mining ships ( gave them more tank ) or unscanable cargo for t2 transport ships.
The T2 Blockade Runners are immune to Cargo Scanners. They're also CovOps Cloak capable, making scan immunity kind of redundant.
Cristina Bolog wrote:The only thing to do is not fight these people.
BINGO! By Jove, she's got it!
The only thing even remotely close to 'fair' hisec PvP you're likely to get, is as a member of RvB. Personally, I highly recommend them. They will teach you how to be a better pilot. Their lessons are as harsh as the rest of EVE, but it's a lot more friendly.
Occasional Resident Newbie Correspondent for TMC: http://themittani.com/search/site/mephiztopheleze
This is my Forum Main. My Combat Alt is sambo Inkura
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Lan Wang
C.Q.B Snuffed Out
3384
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Posted - 2016.08.12 09:14:48 -
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didnt they counter this stuff anyway with jump destroyers, just jump him out of logi range :)
Loyalist to Angel Cartel
Your killboard reads like a "how to get farmed 101" - Noah Reese
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2016.08.12 12:08:25 -
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Lan Wang wrote:didnt they counter this stuff anyway with jump destroyers, just jump him out of logi range :) Op said highsec.
Its a shame you cant even use those and then get concorded, id spend all my time kidnaping angry russians off the amarr undock if i could.
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Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
1207
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Posted - 2016.08.12 12:11:08 -
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yep. Use your brains.
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Faylee Freir
Facetious Indifference Vendetta Mercenary Group
251
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Posted - 2016.08.14 19:40:24 -
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Its not CCP's responsibility to coddle you. The person that has a higher knowledge of game mechanics and can apply them to their advantage will win most of the time. Just because someone is better, more prepared, or smarter than you doesnt mean the game is unfair.
Adapt or die....
HTFU
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2016.08.14 20:33:19 -
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Faylee Freir wrote:Its not CCP's responsibility to coddle you. The person that has a higher knowledge of game mechanics and can apply them to their advantage will win most of the time. Just because someone is better, more prepared, or smarter than you doesnt mean the game is unfair.
Adapt or die.... Yeah theres leveraging experiance and knowladge but we are talking about undock humping degenerates here. Advice goes, dont be a dumbass, just ignore them and go about your day.
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Borg Alexandra
Digital Origami Evictus.
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Posted - 2016.08.14 22:20:20 -
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Faylee Freir wrote:Its not CCP's responsibility to coddle you. The person that has a higher knowledge of game mechanics and can apply them to their advantage will win most of the time. Just because someone is better, more prepared, or smarter than you doesnt mean the game is unfair.
Adapt or die....
Excuse me how is using neutral alts higher knowledge of game mechanics? How is bowhead swapping making someone better? And are you kidding me the game is totally unfair against the true solo player. The counter to neutral logi is: have more neutral logis and ECM. Or to bowhead swapping: do it yourself. Seems very balanced and ppl you use those are clearly way smarter...
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Faylee Freir
Facetious Indifference Vendetta Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2016.08.14 23:57:24 -
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Borg Alexandra wrote:Faylee Freir wrote:Its not CCP's responsibility to coddle you. The person that has a higher knowledge of game mechanics and can apply them to their advantage will win most of the time. Just because someone is better, more prepared, or smarter than you doesnt mean the game is unfair.
Adapt or die.... Excuse me how is using neutral alts higher knowledge of game mechanics? How is bowhead swapping making someone better? And are you kidding me the game is totally unfair against the true solo player. The counter to neutral logi is: have more neutral logis and ECM. Or to bowhead swapping: do it yourself. Seems very balanced and ppl you use those are clearly way smarter... /sarcasm off Suspect someone of having neutral logi? Bring friends or have alts. This is a social game, there are plenty of people that hate war decs that would gladly shoot our suspect logis. Adapt or die.
Swapping out of a bowhead is impossible now due to CCP, but if it were still possible.... Bump the bowhead away from your target.
The issue is that you dont want to have to put forth the same amount of effort, assets, or social ties that others will employ. Until you do so and its still mechanically unfair, stop crying.
If you are unprepared or too risk averse to step to someone that is well prepared and looking for action.... Then ignore them and go on your way?
In no way does this game favor the lone or solo player. This is an MMO, so you either need friends or alts. Theres nothing wrong with that. This isnt World of Warcraft... Hell even in wow most things require teamwork.
HTFU
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Roenok Baalnorn
Sadistically Sinister
283
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Posted - 2016.08.16 13:28:24 -
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Cristina Bolog wrote:Lan Wang wrote:how to fix highsec pvp....move out of highsec I don't want to move out of high-sec only because you want me to . ( i know you dont want and you don't care, just saying )
Dont move out of high sec for us, move out of high sec for you. Almost every issue that starts with " in high sec..." can be solved by removing yourself from high sec. This mechanic is working as intended, as CCP doesnt want you to be a high sec resident. They dont like restricting your sandbox like that. Help CCP, help you by removing yourself from high sec( also live a little)
This is a strategic fleet PVP game, not really a solo 1V1 pvp game. Everything in Eve is designed around and supports Strategic fleet pvp. Solo pvp isnt really a thing in Eve. Even people who claim to solo dont solo as they use scouts, RRers, etc. |
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Lan Wang
C.Q.B Snuffed Out
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Posted - 2016.08.22 08:11:29 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Lan Wang wrote:didnt they counter this stuff anyway with jump destroyers, just jump him out of logi range :) Op said highsec. Its a shame you cant even use those and then get concorded, id spend all my time kidnaping angry russians off the amarr undock if i could.
jump destroyers dont work in highsec? i thought was kinda the point to them
Loyalist to Angel Cartel
Your killboard reads like a "how to get farmed 101" - Noah Reese
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Andrea Cemenotar
Elena Minasse Operations
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Posted - 2016.08.22 12:16:20 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Lan Wang wrote:didnt they counter this stuff anyway with jump destroyers, just jump him out of logi range :) Op said highsec. Its a shame you cant even use those and then get concorded, id spend all my time kidnaping angry russians off the amarr undock if i could. jump destroyers dont work in highsec? i thought was kinda the point to them
Micro jump field generator according to dev post cannot be activated in high security space
probably thats exacly to prevent what he said he would be doing all day....
and maybe to prevent idiots loosing their shiny command dessies by accidentally jumping people and coming whining to forum
so the real are for command dessies to shine is either low-sec small scale pvp or null-sec - although I'm not sure how dessies goes in nullsec warfare - surely they would do alot of mess if the survived long enought to scatter enemy logistic wings using those MJ field generators.... |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
17600
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Posted - 2016.08.23 11:13:18 -
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Andrea Cemenotar wrote:Lan Wang wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Lan Wang wrote:didnt they counter this stuff anyway with jump destroyers, just jump him out of logi range :) Op said highsec. Its a shame you cant even use those and then get concorded, id spend all my time kidnaping angry russians off the amarr undock if i could. jump destroyers dont work in highsec? i thought was kinda the point to them Micro jump field generator according to dev post cannot be activated in high security space probably thats exacly to prevent what he said he would be doing all day.... and maybe to prevent idiots loosing their shiny command dessies by accidentally jumping people and coming whining to forum so the real are for command dessies to shine is either low-sec small scale pvp or null-sec - although I'm not sure how dessies goes in nullsec warfare - surely they would do alot of mess if the survived long enought to scatter enemy logistic wings using those MJ field generators.... The stated reason I remember was they would make it to easy to screw with incursion logi , which I will readily admit was my second thought about it.
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Ras Blumin
A Cross The Universe
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Posted - 2016.08.23 11:57:45 -
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Roenok Baalnorn wrote:Solo pvp isnt really a thing in Eve. Even people who claim to solo dont solo as they use scouts, RRers, etc. Not all of them.
High-sec PvP is ****. Don't bother. |
Andrea Cemenotar
Elena Minasse Operations
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Posted - 2016.08.24 12:57:20 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Andrea Cemenotar wrote:Lan Wang wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Lan Wang wrote:didnt they counter this stuff anyway with jump destroyers, just jump him out of logi range :) Op said highsec. Its a shame you cant even use those and then get concorded, id spend all my time kidnaping angry russians off the amarr undock if i could. jump destroyers dont work in highsec? i thought was kinda the point to them Micro jump field generator according to dev post cannot be activated in high security space probably thats exacly to prevent what he said he would be doing all day.... and maybe to prevent idiots loosing their shiny command dessies by accidentally jumping people and coming whining to forum so the real are for command dessies to shine is either low-sec small scale pvp or null-sec - although I'm not sure how dessies goes in nullsec warfare - surely they would do alot of mess if the survived long enought to scatter enemy logistic wings using those MJ field generators.... The stated reason I remember was they would make it to easy to screw with incursion logi , which I will readily admit was my second thought about it.
ah right incursions - totally forgot about it ^-^ |
Morgan Agrivar
TriStar Market Solutions
446
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Posted - 2016.09.03 22:35:28 -
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Tung Yoggi wrote:Join RvB, I believe this is the closest thing to "fair and honorable" hi-sec pvp you will find.
Duelling people outside of Jita's 4-4 is pretty much like playing poker with crooks. You will eventually learn all the tricks, but you might lose a lot in the process. LAWL. That is comedy gold right there. RvB being fair and honorable.
Thank you sir, I needed that laugh.
This would cure me of the fear...
CCP Explorer liked you forum post. Now my life is complete...
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Morgan Agrivar
TriStar Market Solutions
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Posted - 2016.09.03 22:39:47 -
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Ras Blumin wrote:Roenok Baalnorn wrote:Solo pvp isnt really a thing in Eve. Even people who claim to solo dont solo as they use scouts, RRers, etc. Not all of them. High-sec PvP is ****. Don't bother. I was a highsec solo PvPer since I did not use alts during wardecs but I do agree now. Don't bother since the watchlist killed it.
Like I said again, thanks CCP. *glares in the direction of Iceland*
This would cure me of the fear...
CCP Explorer liked you forum post. Now my life is complete...
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Tung Yoggi
Null Sect
141
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Posted - 2016.09.05 11:34:45 -
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Morgan Agrivar wrote:Tung Yoggi wrote:Join RvB, I believe this is the closest thing to "fair and honorable" hi-sec pvp you will find.
Duelling people outside of Jita's 4-4 is pretty much like playing poker with crooks. You will eventually learn all the tricks, but you might lose a lot in the process. LAWL. That is comedy gold right there. RvB being fair and honorable. Thank you sir, I needed that laugh.
You should read that sentence again, if you do it carefully, you might see that it has a very different meaning than the one you though it had. |
Ares Desideratus
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
340
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Posted - 2016.09.06 19:40:34 -
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Highsec is as full of carebears and idiots as any other place in Eve. It just has different rules. Most of the best pvpers in the game live and pvp in highsec. It's just as harsh (or even more harsh) to solo pvp in highsec as it is to solo pvp in low or null. This is excluding wormholes, which I know little about. But yeah, that's basically what I think about highsec.
Neutral logistics, off-grid boosters, high-grade implants and expensive faction bat-mobiles; all together these things can run billions of isk. It's around 2 bil for a high-grade set of slaves, I believe. But this is what a lot of the highsec warlords do. Sit in a billion ISK ship, with 2 billion ISK worth of implants in their clone, a half a billion ISK T3 somewhere in system, and at least one alt capable of flying a Logistics ship.
Of course you all already know all this. I'm just making some context or something.
Here's a little story.
Ragenmeister was the epitome of a highsec warlord. A member of Failed Diplomacy. He was terrorizing the folk of Amarr back in the day. He had links, expensive implants, faction fits, the whole shebang. And I was still noobish at the time, but learning rapidly. I started out using Punishers with lasers and a hybrid active-buffer armor tank. After a while I realized the Punisher was too slow, and that's when I started using the Executioner, which was my all time favourite ship for a long time. Then again I realized how powerful and cheap the Coercer was, so I started using that as well. I wasn't successful at first, but after learning the game more and changing my fits, my Coercer became capable of beating pretty much any frigate who dared enter range of its pulse lasers.
Long story short, Ragenmeister and I killed each other a fair few times. Well, actually, he killed me a fair few times. I was brave enough to fight just about anything in my Executioner, and he destroyed it easily with his Enyo (really, I could have beaten him in the Executioner if it was a normal Enyo fit, but I wasn't expecting that dual web monstrosity). In fact it seemed his Enyo was capable of destroying just about any ship I had.
So I decided to try the Coercer.
And Ragenmeister was setting himself up for a fall. Talking all kinds of trash and about how great he was and stuff. I was right in on the trash talking, so it was a giant circle jerk happening in Amarr at the time.
Anyway, Ragen undocks the Enyo while we have a duel going, and there I am, waiting, in the Coercer.
Kill: Ragenmeister: Enyo Kill: Ragenmeister: Capsule
It was a really close fight. A true, straight up brawl, between, a 100 million ISK Assault Ship with T3 links and a full set of high-grade slaves - and a 20 million ISK Coercer Blood Raider's Edition - how poetic! - with no implants (probably the two super cheap turret implants - ss-901 and se-603 or whatever), no links, no nothing, just a Coercer, a true freestyle solo pvp boat.
The bounty paid out for the pod kill was over 500 million ISK. That was more ISK than I even HAD at the time.
And I was always celebrated thereafter as the Hero of Amarr :)
Ragenmeister was never the same. He became bitter, and soon left. Failed Diplomacy either kicker him out, or he left from shame. People who used to be my enemy (because of hilarious trash talking and competitive sportsmanship type stuff) suddenly seemed to be on my side. It no longer felt like it was me against Amarr; it felt like Amarr was mine, and I was there to defend it. I did that for a while, then got bored.
What's the point of all this? I don't know. I think highsec pvp is pretty good. |
Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising The Bastion
1518
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Posted - 2016.09.07 00:14:55 -
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IDK you guys, hisec PvP sounds so complicated filled with drama and angst.
I play in nullsec and PvP there seems pretty straightforward to me. HereGÇÖs my approach to it all, supported with my few most recent KMs.
Obviously I see little merit in rushing around in mad circles jumping from system to system in search of gudfites, instead relying on ******** target folk coming to me to be killed. #LazyFailtard
ItGÇÖs a hierarchy thing:
- Wait for defenceless ****** to come to me => kill defenceless ****** and take inspiration from the ensuing tears.
- Wait for light combat ship to come to me => kill light combat ship.
- Wait for intermediate combat ship to come to me => kill intermediate combat ship.
- Wait for heavy combat ship to come to me => kill heavy combat ship .
- Do things badly => get killed. My killer here was very heavily T3 boosted. I knew that but wanted to try for him without my falcon GÇÿforce multiplierGÇÖ anyway. He shredded me GǪ good on him.
Sometimes there are surprises, where an expected tough target turns out to be an unexpected pushover, but generally I serve Darwin and try to just bring enough to the fight to be likely to win it (notwithstanding my bad-at-eve mess-ups).
My GÇÿsoloGÇÖ involves several combat ships and several scouts. I have used but donGÇÖt currently use a booster alt though GÇô too many windows and too slow computers / internet.
I guess I am almost a 'vet' by now. Hopefully not too bitter and managing to help more than I hinder. I build and sell many things, including large collections of bookmarks.
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