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Dom Arkaral
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Posted - 2016.08.17 14:19:07 -
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Dirty Forum Alt wrote:Dom Arkaral wrote:Loyal has been very active since the toon's creation.. he was already doing large scale freighter ganks over 18 months ago, once or twice a week, every week. Then he went on that amazingly fun rampage that lasted a couple of months, then he got banned.
Even though he's not with us anymore, his impact is set in the history of New Eden, whilst all the anti gankers have been long forgotten hehehe Loyal was "active" in the sense that he ganked 1000 random things a month for most of his EVE career, yes. Almost every single freighter he killed was in the end of January 2016 and the entire month of February 2016...He may have killed a couple before then, but no significant numbers. Then he dropped to only 450 kills in March, and only 27 in April before he got himself banned...his lowest activity levels since he started the character. If you exclude January/February of *this year* - Loyal would have no legacy at all - he would be just one of the more active CODE. members. I would argue that Helicity's Hulkageddon events had *far* more impact on ganking of freighters (and hulks/other mining ships of course) than Loyal's month or so - and Loyal was merely copying a past legend for a brief moment of glory. @ Faylee - yes, I've seen a gank fleet parked on a gate waiting for *me* specifically, in my jump freighter. The fleet was comprised of assorted Goons/CODE. members - who shockingly enough had high enough sec status they didn't get shot in the 0.5 system (at the time anyway). Fortunately for me I'm not an idiot, so there is no killmail to show for the incident. No however, I never saw Loyal's fleets. Nor do I particularly care. Loyal left his mark long before january/February of this year. Those two months only made sure of it.
On a side note, the fleets were a sight to see, both from inside and from outside. I miss those 60-man velator fleets lol
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Faylee Freir
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Posted - 2016.08.17 14:20:50 -
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Dirty Forum Alt wrote:Dom Arkaral wrote:Loyal has been very active since the toon's creation.. he was already doing large scale freighter ganks over 18 months ago, once or twice a week, every week. Then he went on that amazingly fun rampage that lasted a couple of months, then he got banned.
Even though he's not with us anymore, his impact is set in the history of New Eden, whilst all the anti gankers have been long forgotten hehehe Loyal was "active" in the sense that he ganked 1000 random things a month for most of his EVE career, yes. Almost every single freighter he killed was in the end of January 2016 and the entire month of February 2016...He may have killed a couple before then, but no significant numbers. Then he dropped to only 450 kills in March, and only 27 in April before he got himself banned...his lowest activity levels since he started the character. If you exclude January/February of *this year* - Loyal would have no legacy at all - he would be just one of the more active CODE. members. I would argue that Helicity's Hulkageddon events had *far* more impact on ganking of freighters (and hulks/other mining ships of course) than Loyal's month or so - and Loyal was merely copying a past legend for a brief moment of glory. @ Faylee - yes, I've seen a gank fleet parked on a gate waiting for *me* specifically, in my jump freighter. The fleet was comprised of assorted Goons/CODE. members - who shockingly enough had high enough sec status they didn't get shot in the 0.5 system (at the time anyway). Fortunately for me I'm not an idiot, so there is no killmail to show for the incident. No however, I never saw Loyal's fleets. Nor do I particularly care. edit: And in the minds of many I suspect that Loyal will be remembered for the behaviour that got him banned from the game, more than for his in-game achievements. A truly ignoble end to someone who admittedly does appear to have been a decent leader for a time and possibly had some potential to impact the game in some way. I can personally attest that Loyal was very active during my ganking prime from July/August till the end of the year. So youre wrong.
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Faylee Freir
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Posted - 2016.08.17 14:22:33 -
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Dirty Forum Alt wrote:Faylee Freir wrote:Seems like your info is wrong. Come back when you get it right. I'd better not see you referencing any stats from zkill then - if it is all wrong. Vendetta has *ZERO* validated kills - per you Tbis has nothing to do with Vendetta or the fact that you seem to be only focusing on 2016.
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Dirty Forum Alt
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Posted - 2016.08.17 14:25:47 -
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Faylee Freir wrote:I can personally attest that Loyal was very active during my ganking prime from July/August till the end of the year. So youre wrong. And yet Z-Kill says he only ganked 2,045 freighters and 163 Jump Freighters in his entire 6-year EVE career - and he killed over 4,500 ships in January/February 2016 alone. Even if we assume that half of those are pods and some weren't freighters...that is still the *vast* majority of his freighter kills right there.
So while he may have been "active" at other times - he certainly wasn't killing "every freighter"....or even any significant number of freighters. |
Faylee Freir
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Posted - 2016.08.17 14:27:10 -
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Dirty Forum Alt wrote:Faylee Freir wrote:I can personally attest that Loyal was very active during my ganking prime from July/August till the end of the year. So youre wrong. And yet Z-Kill says he only ganked 2,045 freighters and 163 Jump Freighters in his entire 6-year EVE career - and he killed over 4,500 ships in January/February 2016 alone. Even if we assume that half of those are pods and some weren't freighters...that is still the *vast* majority of his freighter kills right there. So while he may have been "active" at other times - he certainly wasn't killing "every freighter"....or even any significant number of freighters. Go ask AG who they hate more, Loyalanon or Warrakini. They probably wont know who Warrakini is.
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Dirty Forum Alt
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Posted - 2016.08.17 14:32:38 -
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Faylee Freir wrote:Go ask AG who they hate more, Loyalanon or Warrakini. They probably wont know who Warrakini is. Loyal went out of his way to make a specific enemy of AG - and was banned for crossing the line in doing so....so they are hardly a fair group to ask.
And I don't know who Warrakini is either - should I? I'm afraid I don't have an encyclopedic knowledge of every player who has ever played EVE.... |
Faylee Freir
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Posted - 2016.08.17 14:40:15 -
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Dirty Forum Alt wrote:Faylee Freir wrote:Go ask AG who they hate more, Loyalanon or Warrakini. They probably wont know who Warrakini is. Loyal went out of his way to make a specific enemy of AG - and was banned for crossing the line in doing so....so they are hardly a fair group to ask. And I don't know who Warrakini is either - should I? I'm afraid I don't have an encyclopedic knowledge of every player who has ever played EVE.... Cute. Ever heard of Goonswarm?
Anyway. Beachtime. You enjoy whatever it is that Dirty Forum Alts do.
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Dirty Forum Alt
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Posted - 2016.08.17 14:44:54 -
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To be clear - I'm only disputing your assertion that Loyal had an actual, meaningful impact on freighter traffic in the actual game.
I'm not disputing that he was well-known, or that he had a disproportionately large *psychological* impact on hauler traffic and anti-gankers....I'm just pointing out that aside from a bit over a month of *this year* he had no particular impact on actual freighter traffic at all - and he burned himself out of the game in just over a month of actually doing so.
Ganking has always been manageable and had a minimal impact on the game (outside of isolated "special events" that occur maybe once per year)...and Loyal did *not* change that.
Additionally, since you guys replied before I had added it in as an edit on my previous post, I'll move this up here:
Dirty Forum Alt wrote:And in the minds of many I suspect that Loyal will be remembered for the behaviour that got him banned from the game, more than for his in-game achievements. A truly ignoble end to someone who admittedly does appear to have been a decent leader for a time and possibly had some potential to impact the game in some way.
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Dirty Forum Alt
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Posted - 2016.08.17 14:47:13 -
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Faylee Freir wrote:Cute. Ever heard of Goonswarm?
Anyway. Beachtime. You enjoy whatever it is that Dirty Forum Alts do. I've heard of them, I've killed some of their members, I really have no particular interest in their politics or history. So if he is related to them in some meaningful way - that would by why I've never heard of him
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Posted - 2016.08.17 14:58:58 -
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As a specific example: Kusion is averaging around 4 freighter kills per day, every single day.
He already has 50% of the total freighter kills amassed by Loyalanon over the course of Loyal's *6* years - even though he has only been active for around 2 years... And in 1-2 more years he will *pass* Loyal's total - 2 years faster than Loyal got there, even with his enormous spree early this year.
And maybe that is a legacy of Loyal - since he got Kusion started....
But *you yourself* say that Kusion is not having a significant impact on freighter traffic - even though he is killing them at a significantly higher average rate than Loyal did.
That is my point. |
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Brokk Witgenstein
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Posted - 2016.08.17 17:52:33 -
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Dirty Forum Alt wrote: As for bumping though - sure - if you want to hail Brokk as a paragon of epic pilotting - who defeated an EZ-Mode machariel who should have been untouchable using nothing more than a clumsy hauler...I'll go with it. Yay Brokk - nobody else could possibly match your skill o7
Weird. I was under the impression I either got one lucky bump off, enough for that sandcrawler to get away. Or I distracted him. Or he thought maybe more were coming- idk.
He was definitely doing a much better job at it than I was; but we did find ourselves 17km off the Fenrir when it warped off. Somehow.
The point is, there were others nearby that could have helped and were in more suitable ships to do it. Right after Drac's post I wondered "yup, perhaps that's what it must have been: training" but we'll never know, do we? ZKill does not show "wasn't-killed-mail".
The take away all from this? I'm not sure whether it was one of my bumps that stopped him or at least made him miss but I *do* take offense to "clumsy hauler". U WOT M8? I've got nano thank you very much |
Faylee Freir
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Posted - 2016.08.17 18:14:12 -
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Brokk Witgenstein wrote:Dirty Forum Alt wrote: As for bumping though - sure - if you want to hail Brokk as a paragon of epic pilotting - who defeated an EZ-Mode machariel who should have been untouchable using nothing more than a clumsy hauler...I'll go with it. Yay Brokk - nobody else could possibly match your skill o7
Weird. I was under the impression I either got one lucky bump off, enough for that sandcrawler to get away. Or I distracted him. Or he thought maybe more were coming- idk. He was definitely doing a much better job at it than I was; but we did find ourselves 17km off the Fenrir when it warped off. Somehow. The point is, there were others nearby that could have helped and were in more suitable ships to do it. Right after Drac's post I wondered "yup, perhaps that's what it must have been: training" but we'll never know, do we? ZKill does not show "wasn't-killed-mail". The take away all from this? I'm not sure whether it was one of my bumps that stopped him or at least made him miss but I *do* take offense to "clumsy hauler". U WOT M8? I've got nano thank you very much Couldnt say as i would have had to witness it. The fact that you were counter bumping in a hauler is testament to the fact that players CAN and often times DO combat bumping effectively.
The sad thing is that if you had a proper setup Machariel with a full set of mid-grade nomads you very well could prove all of AG wrong and become real efficient at saving freighters from bumps. The problem is that most people are too lazy playing the victim card to actually do anything... So in their eyes bumping and ganking are imbalanced.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
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Posted - 2016.08.17 18:16:29 -
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Faylee Freir wrote:Dirty Forum Alt wrote:Faylee Freir wrote:I can personally attest that Loyal was very active during my ganking prime from July/August till the end of the year. So youre wrong. And yet Z-Kill says he only ganked 2,045 freighters and 163 Jump Freighters in his entire 6-year EVE career - and he killed over 4,500 ships in January/February 2016 alone. Even if we assume that half of those are pods and some weren't freighters...that is still the *vast* majority of his freighter kills right there. So while he may have been "active" at other times - he certainly wasn't killing "every freighter"....or even any significant number of freighters. Go ask AG who they hate more, Loyalanon or Warrakini. They probably wont know who Warrakini is.
We know who they are.
And loyal will be best remembered, by me, for his chimping out when we denied him some fat loot with a cheap ship.
This is why we can't help but notice that there were five Hulkageddons spaced over a couple of years, why hyperdunking got an OK for a long time until it was not OK, and bumping has gone on forever and a prescribed fix for it has not even occurred yet, but as soon as we started popping freighter wrecks the change came in a matter of months.
BTW the best bumper IMO was Sigfried Cohenburg. He was only surpassed by Brad Neece who made short range ganks with blasters obsolete.
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Dom Arkaral
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Posted - 2016.08.17 18:23:42 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Faylee Freir wrote:Dirty Forum Alt wrote:Faylee Freir wrote:I can personally attest that Loyal was very active during my ganking prime from July/August till the end of the year. So youre wrong. And yet Z-Kill says he only ganked 2,045 freighters and 163 Jump Freighters in his entire 6-year EVE career - and he killed over 4,500 ships in January/February 2016 alone. Even if we assume that half of those are pods and some weren't freighters...that is still the *vast* majority of his freighter kills right there. So while he may have been "active" at other times - he certainly wasn't killing "every freighter"....or even any significant number of freighters. Go ask AG who they hate more, Loyalanon or Warrakini. They probably wont know who Warrakini is. We know who they are. And loyal will be best remembered, by me, for his chimping out when we denied him some fat loot with a cheap ship. This is why we can't help but notice that there were five Hulkageddons spaced over a couple of years, why hyperdunking got an OK for a long time until it was not OK, and bumping has gone on forever and a prescribed fix for it has not even occurred yet, but as soon as we started popping freighter wrecks the change came in a matter of months. BTW the best bumper IMO was Sigfried Cohenburg. He was only surpassed by Brad Neece who made short range ganks with blasters obsolete. Thing is, wreck changes affected everyone. Not just gankers. not just highsec
But you guys cried so hard when it happened, 'twas gloriously funny
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Faylee Freir
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Posted - 2016.08.17 18:29:33 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Faylee Freir wrote:Dirty Forum Alt wrote:Faylee Freir wrote:I can personally attest that Loyal was very active during my ganking prime from July/August till the end of the year. So youre wrong. And yet Z-Kill says he only ganked 2,045 freighters and 163 Jump Freighters in his entire 6-year EVE career - and he killed over 4,500 ships in January/February 2016 alone. Even if we assume that half of those are pods and some weren't freighters...that is still the *vast* majority of his freighter kills right there. So while he may have been "active" at other times - he certainly wasn't killing "every freighter"....or even any significant number of freighters. Go ask AG who they hate more, Loyalanon or Warrakini. They probably wont know who Warrakini is. We know who they are. And loyal will be best remembered, by me, for his chimping out when we denied him some fat loot with a cheap ship. This is why we can't help but notice that there were five Hulkageddons spaced over a couple of years, why hyperdunking got an OK for a long time until it was not OK, and bumping has gone on forever and a prescribed fix for it has not even occurred yet, but as soon as we started popping freighter wrecks the change came in a matter of months. BTW the best bumper IMO was Sigfried Cohenburg. He was only surpassed by Brad Neece who made short range ganks with blasters obsolete. I dont fault you for remembering Loyalanon in whatever way you want.
Im curious, elaborate on why Hyperdunking needed patching out. I had plenty of them stopped just by simply bringing one T1 logi or by simply bumping my Bowhead away.
Dont see how bumping is a problem when its easy to counter bump a freighter as we saw here in this thread. All you need to do as a mining ship is simply orbit the asteroids. Could also fit a higgs anchor rig.
The wreck ehp change was because of the inability for capital wrecks to be looted due to them being destroyed shortly after the ship popping.
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Brokk Witgenstein
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Posted - 2016.08.17 18:31:15 -
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Faylee Freir wrote: Dont see how bumping is a problem when its easy to counter bump a freighter as we saw here in this thread. All you need to do as a mining ship is simply orbit the asteroids. Could also fit a higgs anchor rig.
It's not easy. What you saw in this thread was I wasn't even sure it worked OR the bumper screwed up. Either that or someone hand me a medal please cause I'm the real McCoy.
What I was saying, was more along the lines of "Hey! Somebody give us a hand here please?" |
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Posted - 2016.08.17 18:37:41 -
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Brokk Witgenstein wrote:Faylee Freir wrote: Dont see how bumping is a problem when its easy to counter bump a freighter as we saw here in this thread. All you need to do as a mining ship is simply orbit the asteroids. Could also fit a higgs anchor rig.
It's not easy. What you saw in this thread was I wasn't even sure it worked OR the bumper screwed up. Either that or someone hand me a medal please cause I'm the real McCoy. What I was saying, was more along the lines of "Hey! Somebody give us a hand here please?" Sadly I don't think I can give you a medal unless you join my corp |
Faylee Freir
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Posted - 2016.08.17 18:47:35 -
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Brokk Witgenstein wrote:Faylee Freir wrote: Dont see how bumping is a problem when its easy to counter bump a freighter as we saw here in this thread. All you need to do as a mining ship is simply orbit the asteroids. Could also fit a higgs anchor rig.
It's not easy. What you saw in this thread was I wasn't even sure it worked OR the bumper screwed up. Either that or someone hand me a medal please cause I'm the real McCoy. What I was saying, was more along the lines of "Hey! Somebody give us a hand here please?" Its easier than you think. If you wanna learn how ro bump i can show you some stuff.
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Brokk Witgenstein
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Posted - 2016.08.17 18:58:49 -
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Faylee Freir wrote: Its easier than you think. If you wanna learn how ro bump i can show you some stuff.
I know how to bump, I know how to manual pilot and I know how impact (mass x velocity) gets transfered. I was just in the wrong ship to make a meaningful difference. A distraction, a slight course correction were the best I could do. Thanks for the offer anyway tho.
Now, I've been thinking, the main issue with gang prevention is the narrow window of opportunity. It all happens in under 30 seconds; not enough time to even warp over there. It really has to come from the people already on grid who see it happen before their very eyes-- not a problem in a busy pipe, one would think.
Yet, the anonymous crowd does not launch drones, does not fire up their guns, the falcon flying through does not stop to jam 5-6 catalysts ... it's sad.
I've heard it said Highsec folks bring it upon themselves and I'd have to agree. The same applies to miners by the way: do you know how much DPS a flock of Procurers puts out? I can't figure out for the life of me why they don't just shoot the darn things. Nobody else is going to be there in time to save their skin but those already on grid. THEY are the ones who need to step up -- not someone else.
You can't expect a bunch of unpaid Griffins to preemptively patrol the belts, or have anti-bumpers near every gate "just in case". So you have to work with what you've got. That makes it a little harder than the theoretical "it's easy". It's only easy if you're in the right ship prepared for what's about to go down. Less so when in "whatever" ship responding to events as they transpire.
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Faylee Freir
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Posted - 2016.08.17 19:06:34 -
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Brokk Witgenstein wrote:Faylee Freir wrote: Its easier than you think. If you wanna learn how ro bump i can show you some stuff.
I know how to bump, I know how to manual pilot and I know how impact (mass x velocity) gets transfered. I was just in the wrong ship to make a meaningful difference. A distraction, a slight course correction were the best I could do. Thanks for the offer anyway tho. Now, I've been thinking, the main issue with gang prevention is the narrow window of opportunity. It all happens in under 30 seconds; not enough time to even warp over there. It really has to come from the people already on grid who see it happen before their very eyes-- not a problem in a busy pipe, one would think. Yet, the anonymous crowd does not launch drones, does not fire up their guns, the falcon flying through does not stop to jam 5-6 catalysts ... it's sad. I've heard it said Highsec folks bring it upon themselves and I'd have to agree. The same applies to miners by the way: do you know how much DPS a flock of Procurers puts out? I can't figure out for the life of me why they don't just shoot the darn things. Nobody else is going to be there in time to save their skin but those already on grid. THEY are the ones who need to step up -- not someone else. You can't expect a bunch of unpaid Griffins to preemptively patrol the belts, or have anti-bumpers near every gate "just in case". So you have to work with what you've got. That makes it a little harder than the theoretical "it's easy". It's only easy if you're in the right ship prepared for what's about to go down. Less so when in "whatever" ship responding to events as they transpire. Youre very right. Which is why these threads are the same old arguments posted by different people (or alts) that result in the same usual crowds going back and forth. Ultimately theres nothing none of us can do to persuade another if were all not willing to discuss things rationally. The issue is that most people are too lazy to help themselves, much less stay educated in mechsnics.
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Dirty Forum Alt
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Posted - 2016.08.17 19:17:01 -
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In other random news, an Iteron Mark V slipped right past a CODE. ganker (even though he did manage to scan the cargo and knew what was inside) carrying 13 billion isk in assorted blueprints/loot......And another non-CODE. affiliated ganker picked up the slack and got him.
So at least one side of the conflict can work together when the others mess up and miss things.
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Posted - 2016.08.17 19:20:22 -
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Faylee Freir wrote:Quote:Or Brokk is just decent at manually piloting his ship... Even a pure-bumping fit machariel needs a pretty good run-up to get a good bump in, and is pretty easy to disrupt. You just have to figure out the intercept point to put yourself between him and the freighter and deflect him.
Additionally the fact that it was a fenrir reduced the amount of time he needed to disrupt the bumper for. I will help you out since you seem to be a bit ignorant. There are 2 ways to approach bumping freighters and those are speed and agility. You can center your bumping around speed and use high-grade snakes, and a proper Machariel fit up for maximum velocity and you bump them further than you would in an agility fit. With this method you will probably end up using a 10k runup to the freighter. This is probably how most bumpers fit because its just been the standard. There is a balance point in your inerta modifier that you want to try and keep, but most people think speed is king... And it is good in a lot of situations but i prefer the next setup. Next you have agility setups which use mid-grade nomads, while the Machariel fit mostly stays the same. With this setup your Machariel literally turns on a dime while still putting out some serious speed. I use a 3-4k runup with this setup and is a ton of fun. This is more for keeping the freighter consistantly unaligned which is what prevents warping. There are so many styles and techniques that different pilots have, bumping is really an art. Yeah you get the casual pleb that nust fits a **** stabber or mach and thinks hes a bumper... But theres a lot of skill and practice that goes into a top-tier bumper. I hate to honk my own horn again, but managing to hyperdunk all by myself while managing low-velocity bumps on a live freighter trying to get away is a thrill and a challenge. Quote:#2 - You refuse to disrupt code in any way, and also refuse to cost them billions of isk destroying their Citadels right now...I find it very hard to believe that you would ever be willing to combat code even if CCP did make every change you recommend...You are still all talk, no action. When will people catch on that Code freighter ganking days are virtually over with the banning of Loyalanon? Yeah you see the Kusions, but his multibox ganks are shadowed by the frequency of miniluv ganks. Code have been reduced back to industrial and miner ganking and dont rely on citadels. Now ganking groups like miniluv DO use citadels at various times but the cost of one is negligable. You have to burn through 3 timers just to kill one and in that time its cheap for them to anchor a replacement. Citadels arent even a major or important asset for them so youre better off just disrupting their activities.
I was going to reply with some of the detail on Macherial fits, but I am missing some specific knowledge which was putting the fits to use. So I hoped for someone who actually bumped professionally would reply in the right level of detail., I have to say that was an excellent post on bumping, but then again I knew taht you were in CODE at one point...
The assessment of CODE is interesting, I was noting the fall off in activity which seems to have got worse over the last couple of weeks, I had also noted the more Miniluv focus and the move to suupport the Goon war in Delve with ganks around Palas.
I get the impression that there are a lowish number of people ganking mining ships at the moment.
When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
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Dracvlad
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Posted - 2016.08.17 19:31:48 -
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Faylee Freir wrote:Dirty Forum Alt wrote:Faylee Freir wrote:I can personally attest that Loyal was very active during my ganking prime from July/August till the end of the year. So youre wrong. And yet Z-Kill says he only ganked 2,045 freighters and 163 Jump Freighters in his entire 6-year EVE career - and he killed over 4,500 ships in January/February 2016 alone. Even if we assume that half of those are pods and some weren't freighters...that is still the *vast* majority of his freighter kills right there. So while he may have been "active" at other times - he certainly wasn't killing "every freighter"....or even any significant number of freighters. Go ask AG who they hate more, Loyalanon or Warrakini. They probably wont know who Warrakini is.
I certainly know who warrarkini is, he was the one I watched the most, he also was doing the recent ganking for Miniluv around Palas in support of the Goon attack on Delve. I know that he was heavily involved in funding Miniluv with carrier ratting in Deklin, plus he was doing a lot of the logistics. He was a multi-boxer using the tool which I have forgotten the name of, and when use of that was banned, he had difficulty adjusting from what I heard.
Loyalanon was killing empty freighters, Red Frog put up their rates because of him. He was really very very active..
When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
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Dirty Forum Alt
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Posted - 2016.08.17 19:38:28 -
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Dracvlad wrote:Loyalanon was killing empty freighters, Red Frog put up their rates because of him. He was really very very active.. Well perhaps he is the reason red frogs losses went from 0.11% to 0.25% - but the fact remains that Kusion is ganking more freighters per day on average than Loyal did, right now - and the impact is still negligible in regards to hauling as a whole.
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Dirty Forum Alt wrote:Cockchaos wrote:Cockchaos wrote:Dirty Forum Alt wrote:Cockchaos wrote:Yes I was a suicide ganker for large profit at one point. This would be a lot more convincing if you posted on the character you ganked with... If you were active at all on it....it is already Kill-On-Sight anyway due to sec status... So not sure why you would choose to hide it... The character does not matter, this was years ago. Before ccp buffed mining vessel ehp due to constant indiscriminate harassment from gankers, I sold expensive mining modules in jita, then hunted down the buyers and destroyed the ships said modules were fitted to. It was easy billions. I also earned tens of billions killing afk players sitting on gates in jita that auto piloted to system with pricy loot. Then ccp stealth nerfed drops and eventually implemented the dock feature to the autopilot. Made a lot of players quit, the common frustration of those i hit was that they were unable to retaliate against me. There should be suicide ganking in EVE, ideally for profit, not to harass players because of their chosen play style. It also should be easier for targeted players to retaliate against the gankers. Well it is still done for profit - just on a much larger scale than what you did (1000x, give or take) And I doubt you listened to the people all those years ago who said they should be able to retaliate against you did you? So why is it different now? Just because it won't impact *you* anymore? I laughed at them then, but I was targeting players with cargo many many times more valuable than their ships. CODE indiscriminately destroys ships with empty cargoholds just because they feel no consequence due to current game mechanics. I stopped ganking because I dont want anyone quitting EVE these days. Sub numbers are on the decline. I dont want to see suicide ganking nerfed, I just want consequences for all. Thats how EVE should be. CODE. has found a way to earn tens of trillions of isk in profit, while simultaneously letting their members indiscriminately gank anything they feel like to pass the time...
I'll grant you they go a bit overboard sometimes, and they get downright creepy when they get really into Role Playing their characters...But it is all part of EVE.
And they do have consequences for ganking - they've simply found ways to compensate for them, as you did when you ganked.
As I have previously stated in this thread - they already use Citadels. We'll see if a certain someone follows through on killing any....
But in either case there is not a consequence in the game that is going to make them give up their 15+ trillion isk cash cow, short of simply making ganking impossible...
Ultimately the problem is not with the game mechanics, and not with CODE.
The problem is that while the gankers have organized and formed a solid Role-Playing organization - and figured out how to not only fund their organization and make it incredibly profitable (at least for the leadership) but also how to make it fun for their members - they have no counterpart on the "good" side to balance them out. The anti-ganking "organization" is a joke. They are unwilling/unable to actually form a cohesive group, nor are they able to find ways to get people involved, to let them have fun, nor even to fund anything...
What EVE really needs in relation to CODE. is a charismatic leader who can form an active, *fun*, and profitable anti-CODE. What EVE needs is an anti-James 315... a 513 semaJ perhaps?
Sadly you can't just make such a player start playing EVE with an interest in doing such a thing...So we are stuck dealing with CODE. on the one side and dozens/hundreds/thousands of disorganized/scattered subgroups on the other...[/quote] This !
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Dom Arkaral
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I feel like I already read the exact same reply in another post But, good points (too bad you'll get marked as a supporter like Dirty Forum Alt, even though you're not on CODE.'s side) All the organized AG left to have fun elsewhere in game, so all that remains is as organized as a kindergarten class lol
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Runner Chase wrote:they have no counterpart on the "good" side to balance them out
Funny, those quotes around good. Don't think there's a "good" side here-- the freighters are probably carrying PL's next Fortizar, GoonMoo, a provicende invasion fleet or replenishing Snuff's doomsday supply. Good is such a relative term eh? |
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For the record guys - his quote tags just got messed up - the only word he added to my original post there was "This!"
It is amazing how often those nested quotes break themselves on these forums... |
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Dirty Forum Alt wrote:For the record guys - his quote tags just got messed up - the only word he added to my original post there was "This!"
It is amazing how often those nested quotes break themselves on these forums... Ahh that explains it lol :Silly face:
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Well some CO2 players had a war dec on one of the Miniluv medium Citadels, me and a few lads tried to turn up to pick off their neutral logi, however we were late because for some odd reason I just could not log in for about 40 minutes, we got there too late and the only fun I had was enticing the Gankers to try to gank my Proteus which failed, funny part was that I had just told the OGB to drop links and dock so was getting the links back up, but as I was after burning away the thrashers were out of optimal and did not get through shields. Was fun though and the AG chaps appreciated it even though we failed to help the attack on the Citadel.
A lot of secondary Miniluv characters went into the corp that owned the Citadel, I have the names somewhere, they actually had a sizeable fleet, but if someone like VMG went for it, they would die in a ball of fire.
When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
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