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Smelly Kelly
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Posted - 2007.03.13 04:34:00 -
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They farm the complex 16 hours a day with a group of 10+, sat inside the complex without a break, they then sleep for 7-8 hours and then after downtime they log back in and do it all over again, every single day, without a break, they never speak in local, they name all their ships the same thing.
Most working people will work 7-10 hours a day, but not these people, they sit in the last level of the complex farming the overseer over and over for 16 hours a day, before they finally log off for sleep, ready so that they can start farming again in 7-8 hours time, right after downtime is over.
They also all play from the same room/house, this is obvious as they been spotted all getting dropped at the most inconvinient of times, all at the same time, as if their connection or power died.
So what's going on here? Nobody farms a complex for 16 hours a day, every single day. People only even work in their jobs for half as much time is that. These guys life must revolve around getting up for downtime, running the complex, camping the overseers all day (and night) for 16 hours, before sleep, so they can do the same the next day.
As soon as the overseers spawn (and some spawn randomnly) they are there to kill it, so they don't have the complex timed, they must be actually watching the screen for the spawn for the entire 16 hours that they are in the complex.
Are these normal players, just playing EVE for fun? I don't think so. CCP and the GM's seem to think so though. Petition them and the GM's give the answer that they will look into it, and then nothing happens, weeks later, nothing's happend, and they are still farming the complex for 16 hours a day, every day.
I have lost faith in the GM's, and possibly CCP, it seems like they don't care, who can i report this to who will actually properly look into it?
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Ryas Nia
Minmatar Stormriders Fimbulwinter
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Posted - 2007.03.13 04:36:00 -
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get in to the last level with a large fleet log and wait for them to start farming then log in and kill them all.
Rinse and repeat till they leave.
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Smelly Kelly
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Posted - 2007.03.13 04:37:00 -
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Originally by: Ryas Nia get in to the last level with a large fleet log and wait for them to start farming then log in and kill them all.
Rinse and repeat till they leave.
Complexes don't work this way.
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Gneeznow
Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.03.13 04:42:00 -
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is it low sec or empire? maybe get a gang together with some mates and go kill them :P
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Smelly Kelly
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Posted - 2007.03.13 04:43:00 -
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Originally by: Gneeznow is it low sec or empire? maybe get a gang together with some mates and go kill them :P
0.0.
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Korizan
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Posted - 2007.03.13 04:45:00 -
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As far as I know Well if it is one person running 10 different accounts can't see how but if they could then that is legal. (Personnally there is no way I could do this even if I had the RL funds it would give me a headache) If it is 3 or 4 people running multiple accounts all day that is legal. If they put up everything on the market. That is legal.
If they sell the ISK for RL cash now that is ILLEGAL. But my guess and 9 out of ten they are passing the ISK on to someone else to do that and that account gets banned and they just start a new one.
Bottom line sad as it is for the most part CCP's hands are tied. Even if they had 20 people working around the clock I doubt they could keep up with the scams and different ways of making cash. And there is always the risk of banning a honest player.
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Lithalnas
Amarr Hadean Drive Yards Archaean Cooperative
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Posted - 2007.03.13 04:46:00 -
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guys, jump into their complex and start shooting wrecks, get their aggro and prob them out. ------------- Hadean Drive Yards The EvE inflation, 80 Macro miners, 1.5b isk/day |
Smelly Kelly
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Posted - 2007.03.13 04:49:00 -
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Edited by: Smelly Kelly on 13/03/2007 04:47:56 Edited by: Smelly Kelly on 13/03/2007 04:46:07
Originally by: Korizan As far as I know Well if it is one person running 10 different accounts can't see how but if they could then that is legal. (Personnally there is no way I could do this even if I had the RL funds it would give me a headache) If it is 3 or 4 people running multiple accounts all day that is legal. If they put up everything on the market. That is legal.
If they sell the ISK for RL cash now that is ILLEGAL. But my guess and 9 out of ten they are passing the ISK on to someone else to do that and that account gets banned and they just start a new one.
It's not one person, there must be at least 4 people involved in playing the characters, perhaps 2 characters each, possibly even one or two of them are playing three characters. They play to effeciently to be just 1 person. Seriously, 1 person can not play 10-12 characters at once in a complex and successfully fight against a force of 10 other players.
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hotgirl933
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Posted - 2007.03.13 04:58:00 -
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good idea
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Frug
Zenithal Harvest
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Posted - 2007.03.13 05:24:00 -
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Maybe I'm missing something, being a carebear and all, but if this is in 0.0, can't you just... I dunno. Can't you just, like, blow them up?
Don't name the system or the complex or anything either. That wouldn't be useful at all.
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Morn Judith
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.03.13 05:38:00 -
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Originally by: Lithalnas guys, jump into their complex and start shooting wrecks, get their aggro and prob them out.
Sure, lets be better than an isk farmer and use a known exploit to get them. You just ranked yourself on the same level as them.
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Morium Blue
Order of the Lost Souls
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Posted - 2007.03.13 05:48:00 -
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But they have to enter the plex after downtime through the first gate, right? Just bring a big gang and wait for them there and follow them through. If you can't summon the numbers at that hour or they win the fight, more power to them.
Tbh, if they're that dedicated at achieving their goal, good luck to them. It would take a more patient man than me to fight mainly NPCs for 16 hours a day.
Eve gives you the tools to stop them if you choose - it's just the question, can you summon 10 BS every day at server up to fight them? If they can and you can't, they rightfully have it.
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Zatch
Gallente Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2007.03.13 06:01:00 -
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Edited by: Zatch on 13/03/2007 05:58:49 Has CCP acknowledged that shootings wrecks to start an aggro timer is an exploit, or is this just speculation? Honestly I believe it should be considered an exploit, but if it isn't yet then hey, it's 0.0, go blow them up.
It all comes down to how much you care about these farmers. If you really want to blow up their ships and take away their ISK, just frickin' do it. ----- MLCalc Creator HW2/EVE Mod Team Leader |
Smelly Kelly
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Posted - 2007.03.13 06:06:00 -
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Originally by: Zatch Edited by: Zatch on 13/03/2007 05:58:49 Has CCP acknowledged that shootings wrecks to start an aggro timer is an exploit, or is this just speculation? Honestly I believe it should be considered an exploit, but if it isn't yet then hey, it's 0.0, go blow them up.
It all comes down to how much you care about these farmers. If you really want to blow up their ships and take away their ISK, just frickin' do it.
You are kidding right? They play EVE for a living, it's their job, if they lose their ship, or miss the complex run - that's money out of their pocket. They will goto great lengths to ensure they win. They have to.
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R'n'd
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Posted - 2007.03.13 07:31:00 -
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Yep its pretty bad, I remember when AAA took over Catch and the leadership got an offer of RL CASH for one of the 10/10 Catch plexes. Basically, a small corp offered (who used to run the plex 24/7) to pay a few hundred USD each months to the Alliance leader to run the 10/10 plex.
Of course that was declined by AAA, but they still came and AAA had regular fights to control the 10/10.
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Emily Spankratchet
Minmatar Pragmatics
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Posted - 2007.03.13 10:13:00 -
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Originally by: Smelly Kelly I have lost faith in the GM's, and possibly CCP, it seems like they don't care, who can i report this to who will actually properly look into it?
There's nothing in the EULA about doing something really dull for 16 hours a day over and over again. Until CCP catch them selling ISK, or using macros, they can't do anything.
Yes, it's obvious that these people are sitting in a sweatshop somewhere farming ISK. But obvious isn't the same as proven.
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Laboratus
Gallente BGG League of Abnormal Gentlemen
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Posted - 2007.03.13 10:17:00 -
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If they work at an IT company, they might quite well pull it off at work. Youd be amased how many work days are spent reading irc links... ___ P.S. Post with your main. Mind control and tin hats |
Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2007.03.13 10:24:00 -
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Originally by: Zatch Has CCP acknowledged that shootings wrecks to start an aggro timer is an exploit...
Yes, it is an exploit and CCP said they will look into it. There was a thread about it, just can't remember anymore where it was and it was very clearly written that shooting wrecks to start/extend aggro time is an exploit.
I don't know if that is still working, they said they will look into it and fix it.
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Lord WarATron
Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.03.13 10:27:00 -
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Edited by: Lord WarATron on 13/03/2007 10:24:23 1. If someone is camping the last level of a plex - You cannot probe them to instawarp to them. 2. You cannot log in and land on top of them
Trying to do the above will take you to the first gate of the plex.
also 3. Shooting their wrecks - Go ahead and try it. Oh wait, they are camping last level of plex for 16 hours without logging off, so that plan is now kaput.
They ONLY thing you can do is either
1. Beat them at downtime 2. Carry a spare set of keys.
In addition, I think CCP should change it to stop cloak's working in plex's. So that they dont sit on last level all cloaked up waiting for respawn without any danger to themselves. --
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Fubear
Vogon Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2007.03.13 10:31:00 -
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Edited by: Fubear on 13/03/2007 10:27:54
Originally by: Emily Spankratchet
Originally by: Smelly Kelly I have lost faith in the GM's, and possibly CCP, it seems like they don't care, who can i report this to who will actually properly look into it?
There's nothing in the EULA about doing something really dull for 16 hours a day over and over again. Until CCP catch them selling ISK, or using macros, they can't do anything.
Yes, it's obvious that these people are sitting in a sweatshop somewhere farming ISK. But obvious isn't the same as proven.
Agreed, there is nothing wrong with having multiple accounts (which is encouraged by CCP) or camping the final room of a complex.
There is no proof that there is any ISK selling going on, or that people 'do this as a job'. The people claiming this are doing nothing but scaremongering.
Finally, its in 0.0 so you can go in there and blow them up. stop whining on the forums and do something about it, no involvement by CCP or anyone else is required in this mawtter.
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Strength Cow
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.03.13 10:43:00 -
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Edited by: Strength Cow on 13/03/2007 10:41:25
Originally by: Emily Spankratchet
There's nothing in the EULA about doing something really dull for 16 hours a day over and over again. Until CCP catch them selling ISK, or using macros, they can't do anything.
Yes, it's obvious that these people are sitting in a sweatshop somewhere farming ISK. But obvious isn't the same as proven.
Whats up with people thikning CCP "CAN'T" do anything unless they "prove" that some players are participating in highly questionable activities for the purpose of doing illegal (isk selling) activities?
If it is obvious to players whats going on, how much more obvious is it to CCP, who are the Gods of EVE and have access to ALL information?
CCP can ban anyone, at any time. If I was CCP, I'd do a 30 minute investigation into what these people are doing with their isk, what their IP info is, what their logging history is etc, and then ban them if the results proved positive.
Same goes for seeing literally 60 people in ice mining barges all in the same empire ice belt all with names like quwuej, iyur, girlstarjjgj, cctv01, cctv02, cctv03, cctv04, starloverqqp, cispcisp11, cispcisp22, cispcisp33, cispcisp44.....all in noob corps and all made on the same day.
Again. If I was CCP would I instantly perma ban them all? No. But I'd sure as hell get in there and do a hardcore search of exactly what the hell is going on, then ban them if the results proved positive.
It would not be hard. Really. I'm sure some of the times someone thinks someone is a farmer they are wrong. But most of the times, guess what, if a player who has experience in these types of things, who has common sense and is not prejudice gathers info and then concludes that the group he has been monitoring are up to weird things, he's probably right. If a player can know this, think how easy a GM can know it.
CCP created the game. They can know any knowable thing concerning whats going on in and with the game. They can create all creatable tools and use programs to sift through and monitor all data.
So why are there still farmers (in this context the word farmer obvious means person or people who "play" eve for the sole purpose of somehow making RL cash, like a job) around 9 months after being petitioned?
Can you imagine mining scordite 20 hours a day for 9 months with a group of 25 other people, all named almost the same thing, started on the same day, all logging in and out at the same time? Who would do it?
Think about it.
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Fenderson
OLE Mining Corp Miners With Attitude
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Posted - 2007.03.13 11:18:00 -
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this is something that's been going on for a long time. a major factor in this is timezones. Since you have to get on every day right afterDT to do this, it is very difficult for someone in the US or western europe, but for eastern european players it is perfect.
CCP is not going to stop them. What they are doing has been considered acceptable for a long time. You can petition, and you may feel that they are exploiting, but CCP disagrees.
You have 2 basic things you can use to your advantage.
1) you know they have to go in thru the gate after DT. Be there with a superior force, fight them off, then run the plex yourself.
2) they cant possibly all be individual players. if there really are 10-12 characters in there its definitely more than 1 player, but probably not more than 3 or 4. This means they only have 3 or 4 brains between them , and if you show up with an equal number of characters that are individually controlled, you will have a destinct advantage.
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Izzy Pol
Fear and Loathing in LoneTrek
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Posted - 2007.03.13 11:28:00 -
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Most of this has been covered by some insightful posts above.
I think it's safe to say either a) CCP doesnt really care or b) The GM's are incompetant
I've spoonfed good info to them many times along with bug reports where appropriate and nothing ever comes of it.
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Admiral Feelgood
Even-Flow
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Posted - 2007.03.13 11:45:00 -
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Originally by: Izzy Pol Most of this has been covered by some insightful posts above.
I think it's safe to say either a) CCP doesnt really care or b) The GM's are incompetant
I've spoonfed good info to them many times along with bug reports where appropriate and nothing ever comes of it.
You should read the post above yours. If they want control of the complex they can camp it at downtime for a week or two until they give up. If they don't have the numbers to achieve this then sucks for them. They're just crying because they couldn't get in.
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Edgars Sults
LFC Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.03.13 11:48:00 -
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Static plexes should have been removed when exploration was introduced. Would have removed a lot of this farming nonsense.
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Fenderson
OLE Mining Corp Miners With Attitude
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Posted - 2007.03.13 11:58:00 -
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Originally by: Izzy Pol Most of this has been covered by some insightful posts above.
I think it's safe to say either a) CCP doesnt really care or b) The GM's are incompetant
I've spoonfed good info to them many times along with bug reports where appropriate and nothing ever comes of it.
I love how you assume they must either not care or be incompetent if they disagree with you. The fact is, they just disagree with you. They know exactly what is going on, and they consider it to be within game mechanics. They have made a conscious decision not to do anything about it.
Anyone who remembers the fiasco a few months ago with the angel 8/10 knows what i am talking about...
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Miss KillSome
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Posted - 2007.03.13 12:01:00 -
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this sounds like red alliance and their addiction to complexes..
been there, tried to fend them off..but they are determinated that all the plexes around them are only theirs..and they will run it, if it takes hoping onto bandwagoon and destroying biggest alliance, it doesnt matter, just till they get complex..after that they'll disband from coalition..
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R'adeh
Gallente Gekidoku Koroshiya Buntai
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Posted - 2007.03.13 12:03:00 -
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ISK Farmers #1 ISK Farmers #2 ISK Farmers #3
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Ling Xiao
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Posted - 2007.03.13 12:15:00 -
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Edited by: Ling Xiao on 13/03/2007 12:12:19 Why do you think a "certain alliance" is so interested in the 10/10 complexes in 0.0 space? Eve is more than a game to some
The sooner you accept that this isn't going away, the better.
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Alita Tiphares
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Posted - 2007.03.13 12:25:00 -
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They play hard and they win, end of thread stop whining.
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