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Barron Red
AgeOfKings
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Posted - 2016.08.16 12:25:08 -
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Hello Everyone,
First problem with Citadels is that individual players with a lot of isk can't run this in high sec because they will get blown up. CCP does not protect your structures in security sec 0.5 to 1.0
Second problem is that we do not have fully information about the Citadel how to run it how to get it protected and if it stays permanently anchored or has a chicle of being secure or unsecured for 15 min every day.
Third problem: There is no clarification about skills you need to run it or for the parts you put it in.
I believe people need to know how to use it and how to protect it before spend a lot of ISK in a clear text regarding any aspects of it. This game has no clear info regarding all their products unless you have some sort of understanding and know where to look.
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Jinn McKellin
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.08.16 12:42:23 -
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It's called research |
Barron Red
AgeOfKings
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Posted - 2016.08.16 12:46:44 -
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A serious game should have a page where you get proper info not scrap info and incomplete and speculative because you pay for this service. |
Faylee Freir
Facetious Indifference Vendetta Mercenary Group
253
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Posted - 2016.08.16 12:47:03 -
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I will help you out here...
There are plenty of anchored citadels that are owned by a single person. I personally have 2 of them anchored in different systems and am in no way worried about their destruction. CCP doesnt protect things in space. If you want to protect itn then its up to you to do so. You either need to make some friends and have them help you defend it, or hire a mercenary group that you keep on retainer in the event that you get war decd.
I sortof feel you on this one, but its pretty simple to figure out when you mees with the interface for a bit. Do some testing on SISI if you want a good grasp of it before anchoring a live one.
Eve is largely like this... Its a lot of being self sufficient or reliant on you figuring things out. If you want more info on how to protect your citadel, send a mail to "Natural Clonekiller" in game and we can get you sorted out.
HTFU
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Sequester Risalo
Semiki Minerals and Missiles Company Ltd.
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Posted - 2016.08.16 13:01:43 -
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Barron Red wrote:First problem with Citadels is that individual players with a lot of isk can't run this in high sec because they will get blown up. CCP does not protect your structures in security sec 0.5 to 1.0
This is not a problem. This is working as intended. Everythin potentially can get blown up in any kind of space. The new structures are as protected as old POSes and spaceships.
Quote:Second problem is that we do not have fully information about the Citadel how to run it how to get it protected and if it stays permanently anchored or has a chicle of being secure or unsecured for 15 min every day.
This is the rule. Nobody knew how to "properly" fit spaceships when they came out. Most of the time players develop ideas and solutions completely different from CCPs intentions. There is no way CCP could provide "full information" about the best way to protect a citadel from CCP. The hull bonuses give hints. Everything else is eft warrioring and trial & error. As to the timers you may read up the detailed dev blogs and patchnotes.
Barron Red wrote:Third problem: There is no clarification about skills you need to run it or for the parts you put it in.
I'm not too sure about this as I did not use one yet. Still I expect the information window to show the skills to run a citadel and the anchoring skill description what to do with it.
Barron Red wrote:I believe people need to know how to use it and how to protect it before spend a lot of ISK in a clear text regarding any aspects of it.
I believe people should put up some effort before coming to the forums and ask others to do their job before spending a lot of isk.
Barron Red wrote:This game has no clear info regarding all their products unless you have some sort of understanding and know where to look. 3 hour weekly vulnerability meaning you have to defend it every week for total of 3 hours with min of 15 to 50 people.
Correct. This game is not spoonfeeding everything to you. You have to have to have underatanding and know where to look. Is this a problem?
The vulnerability timer is a pain. This is why I personally won't set up a citadel and despite the intentions of CCP citadels will be less used than POSes in my opinion. We were not heard while developing this feature. You are not forced to do so. If it is not worth the risk or effort. Don't do it.
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Barron Red
AgeOfKings
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Posted - 2016.08.16 13:05:49 -
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Thanks everyone,
I do appreciate your answers also my problem was that EVE does not make it easy by having a clear information on its products. I do find your information useful but not everyone has the information on hand or easy to find without spending days or weeks to get all the information required.
This is my opinion and I already did some research. |
Toobo
Project Fruit House Solyaris Chtonium
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Posted - 2016.08.16 13:45:21 -
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Even in WoW, where everything is a lot more easy to understand and presented in your face, people consult online communities and guides and walk-throughs and item database. EVE is similar but with lots more complexity.
But pretty much any MMO (or even single player games) demands that you put in extra effort to find out about stuff and how things work, either through reading/theorycrafting or experimenting in game/test server.
http://eve-guides.fr/index.php?article=132
The above guide I found is very comprehensive and includes loads of screenshots for easier understanding. I think once you go through this and have specific questions not covered in the guide you can ask at forums and you will be surprised how helpful people can be when you have more specific questions and base knowledge. People go to extraordinary lengths to explain you things if you ask the right question in right forums.
Good luck & enjoy your read :)
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Soel Reit
Dambusters 617 Sq
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Posted - 2016.08.16 14:14:54 -
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mmmmm
move your lazy a** and get on sisi or pay me and i'll share my knowledge with you.
as you say, time/knowledge is money dude. why should i give you free info? |
Barron Red
AgeOfKings
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Posted - 2016.08.16 14:30:31 -
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Who asked you Soel about anithing? .... I don't need your "knowledge"...
The topic is allready solved by Toobo.
http://eve-guides.fr/index.php?article=132 |
Barron Red
AgeOfKings
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Posted - 2016.08.16 14:50:48 -
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Mr. Sequester Risalo,
I read you post and I did not find it helpful. I already know CCP view and I don't like it. That's why I say CCP needs to spend a bit more attention on info with their products.
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Toobo
Project Fruit House Solyaris Chtonium
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Posted - 2016.08.16 15:09:54 -
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Vulnerability timer actually works for owner/defenderms benefit. People used to high sec POS who had no intention/capacity to defend it had option to unanchor it before war dec starts. There was absolutely nothing a war deccer could do if the owner of high sec POS decided to unachor before it becomes a target. But if you intended to keep the POS in space or actually defend it, it's alot of pain always looking out for 'structure is under attack' notifications and attack could happen in really inconvenient times.
Granted that we accept a citadel, a structure we can dock in and have corp offices and even have markets in, should not be unanchorable in less than 24 hours (i.e. Totally immune from attack in high sec), it makes sense to have vulnerability timer that is most suitable and convenient for the owner/defender.
What some may complain about would be no bail out option via unabchoring, which is debatable, but once you accept that bail out is not an option then the vulnerability timer works in the owner's favour in every way.
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Sequester Risalo
Semiki Minerals and Missiles Company Ltd.
226
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Posted - 2016.08.16 15:41:19 -
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Barron Red wrote:Mr. Sequester Risalo,
I read you post and I did not find it helpful. I already know CCP view and I don't like it. That's why I say CCP needs to spend a bit more attention on info with their products.
I'm sorry to hear that. I simply could have answered HTFU but I wanted to be more polite and insightful for you.
There was sufficient information for me to from an opinion. In fact after reading the first devblog about citadels I knew they were not for me. I commented and argued in the respective threads to change the deal breaking points. But to no avail.
I'm sure complaining afterwards will convince them. |
Soel Reit
Dambusters 617 Sq
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Posted - 2016.08.16 15:48:36 -
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Barron Red wrote:A serious game should have a page where you get proper info not scrap info and incomplete and speculative because you pay for this service.
dude you are really funny! for real! no joke! HTFU
moaning like a bit**..... eve is not for you imo... but up to you to find out. cheers and have fun |
Solecist Project
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Posted - 2016.08.16 15:53:50 -
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Barron Red wrote:Mr. Sequester Risalo,
I read you post and I did not find it helpful. I already know CCP view and I don't like it. That's why I say CCP needs to spend a bit more attention on info with their products.
When I started ... no...
Before (!) i started, i spent two weeks learning about the game and its mechanics.
Why is that too hard for you? Why do you need a big brother to teach you where to look?
I didn't need it. Does that mean i am much smarter than you? Or does it mean that i understand and apply self-responsibility?
What is it, hm? Why do i not need to rely on someone else to do the thinking for me and why do you do? And yes, that is what you do. You don't just sit down and ask yourself what to learn first, no; You need someone to tell you what to learn.
You just (unintentionally) hide that in your explanations and reasons ... ... which change nothing about you not being able to do what i and thousands of others are having no issue with.
So ... why?
"That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breaths of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly pulverised by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds." -- Tippia
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Soel Reit
Dambusters 617 Sq
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Posted - 2016.08.16 15:59:40 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Barron Red wrote:Mr. Sequester Risalo,
I read you post and I did not find it helpful. I already know CCP view and I don't like it. That's why I say CCP needs to spend a bit more attention on info with their products.
When I started ... no... Before (!) i started, i spent two weeks learning about the game and its mechanics. Why is that too hard for you? Why do you need a big brother to teach you where to look? I didn't need it. Does that mean i am much smarter than you? Or does it mean that i understand and apply self-responsibility? What is it, hm? Why do i not need to rely on someone else to do the thinking for me and why do you do? And yes, that is what you do. You don't just sit down and ask yourself what to learn first, no; You need someone to tell you what to learn. You just (unintentionally) hide that in your explanations and reasons ... ... which change nothing about you not being able to do what i and thousands of others are having no issue with. So ... why?
usually i go crazy everytime i see one of your post: reason? too many words but this time i appreciated it. right on point! gg |
Sack o'Richards
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.08.16 16:10:21 -
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Barron Red wrote:Hello Everyone,
First problem
Second problem
For over a decade players have been responsible for learning and inplementing ingame items, and then you join. There's only one problem here.
Halp CCP. I dont know how to properly use a sandbox! Please tell me how to play safely! |
Pandora Carrollon
Kingsman Tailors
564
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Posted - 2016.08.16 16:10:49 -
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Barron Red wrote:Hello Everyone,
First problem with Citadels is that individual players with a lot of isk can't run this in high sec because they will get blown up. CCP does not protect your structures in security sec 0.5 to 1.0 (snip... angst removal)
I understand what you are saying but a great deal of it is because your perspective and knowledge aren't aligned to the game reality... as others have pointed out.
Solecist is correct, you need to do the legwork yourself but also take a look around you. There are hundreds of citadels in HiSec now. It's a rare system that doesn't have one. I used to be in HiSec and you couldn't throw a rock without hitting one.
Having the unsupported (undefended) ones get blown up is a good thing. It will teach players that something like a Citadel is not a solo gamers toy to play with in the Sandbox, at least not in the "I can do everything myself" vein.
If it's something you really want, yes, a solo player can defend it but only with hired help or some kind of alliance. Otherwise it need to be vaporized to make room in space for space, or more accurately, room in my Overview so it's not cluttered up like some Las Vegas strip skyline.
We don't know how these structures will actually pan out, we are only seeing the tip of the iceberg. I'd hit the books and study up on them if you are really interested in them... try talking to a few of their owners and see what they think. Then come here and ask questions. It would be better than a list with some points that aren't really on target.
Be Positive GÇó Change yourself first, New Eden will come later GÇó EVE is Awesome GÇó CCP isn't the enemy GÇó Players are people too GÇó Where're the clothing blueprints GÇó Yeah, I'm still learning this game
-- Pandora's Rules to EVE by
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Jacques d'Orleans
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
2811
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Posted - 2016.08.16 16:15:00 -
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I think Cheddar fits nicely to the OP's whine.
The beginning of the End
Never drink anything that only gets a lukewarm recommendation from an Australian infantryman!
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Elenahina
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2016.08.16 16:17:11 -
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Barron Red wrote:Mr. Sequester Risalo,
I read you post and I did not find it helpful. I already know CCP view and I don't like it. That's why I say CCP needs to spend a bit more attention on info with their products.
There's plenty of info. There are several support articles from CCP about citadels, lengthy dev blogs on the subject from CCP, as well as numerous community pages. Typing eve online citadel guide into any search window would have gotten you copious information on the topic.
The fact that you couldn't find the information says more about you than CCP, in all honestly.
Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you.
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
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Posted - 2016.08.16 20:27:39 -
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First problem: Barron
Second problem: Red
Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .
Bumble's Space Log
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Brokk Witgenstein
Extreme Agony The Wraithguard.
616
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Posted - 2016.08.16 21:00:04 -
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Barron Red wrote:can't run this in high sec because they will get blown up. CCP does not protect your structures in security sec 0.5 to 1.0
Actually, CCP does not protect your structures in security -255 to +32767. Rarely does someone blatantly put forth the notion CCP has to protect your stuff. Usually they sugarcoat it but this is next level mojo.
The obvious solution: (a) don't and use someone else's citadel. (b) calculate if maybe you can turn a profit nontheless. (c) go anchor it in -0.3 where according to your post CCP does protect your structure ehehehehe |
Barron Red
AgeOfKings
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Posted - 2016.08.16 21:44:26 -
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I don't argue with idiots.
I do know how the game is played and that's why I am worried. Is not easy to defend it for those who play in very small group or alone and some of the info is missing in the game regarding the Citadel fuel and some other things but I don't bother explain myself to some internet trolls.
Respect to all who gave an useful answer.
This is a good link for those who need info regarding Citadels.
http://eve-guides.fr/index.php?article=132 |
Nicolai Serkanner
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
519
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Posted - 2016.08.16 21:53:07 -
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Barron Red wrote:I don't argue with idiots.
I suggest you do not start to argue with yourself, because, well ...
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Brokk Witgenstein
Extreme Agony The Wraithguard.
616
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Posted - 2016.08.16 22:12:50 -
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Here is an interesting link: Player Owned Structures
This is also a comprehensive overview of what you can expect. |
Soel Reit
Dambusters 617 Sq
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Posted - 2016.08.17 07:27:55 -
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Barron Red wrote:I don't argue with idiots. I do know how the game is played and that's why I am worried. Is not easy to defend it for those who play in very small group or alone and some of the info is missing in the game regarding the Citadel fuel and some other things but I don't bother explain myself to some internet trolls. Respect to all who gave an useful answer. This is a good link for those who need info regarding Citadels. http://eve-guides.fr/index.php?article=132
clearly someone that want a game fitted on his playstyle and not willing to adapt at the playstyle that the game requires. an idiot in my book |
Solecist Project
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Posted - 2016.08.17 08:01:18 -
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Barron Red wrote:I don't argue with idiots. I do know how the game is played and that's why I am worried. Is not easy to defend it for those who play in very small group or alone and some of the info is missing in the game regarding the Citadel fuel and some other things but I don't bother explain myself to some internet trolls. Respect to all who gave an useful answer. This is a good link for those who need info regarding Citadels. http://eve-guides.fr/index.php?article=132 calling people,who will easy take your citadel from you idiots, is a very smart move.
"That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breaths of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly pulverised by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds." -- Tippia
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Wanda Fayne
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Posted - 2016.08.17 23:20:11 -
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Wanda's Rules:
#1 If in doubt, shoot it. If you didn't die (or it died first), then shooting it is a viable option.
#2 If you encounter the unknown, see rule#1.
your comments just confirms this whole idea is totally pathetic
-Lan Wang-
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