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Discordia Duenna
Control-Space DARKNESS.
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Posted - 2016.08.18 12:40:50 -
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Dear CCP
I am angry. I am very angry. Which is very unlike me to be with regards to your excellent game.
Why am I angry? First let me calm down and share my event experience, warts and all.
I put about 450 hrs into this event and positioned #9. This time last week I was elated. I was proud of the achievement of my corp and the rando's I picked up along the way throughout this event.
I have been hunted, I have hunted. I have stolen more cans from people than I can count, I optimized my strategies through optimizing routes across New Eden, organized a team for maximizing returns on points. I managed to get my own time in Shipyards down to 1:20 when it was just myself and my alt. I nearly gave up, oh-so-many-times. I drank more coffee than a small principality in the Alps. Garnered support from friends and family who cheered me on. Supported other people in the top 10 and competed with them. I have seen more of the south of Empire space than I thought I would ever see, in my 10 years of playing. I am marked with the word "Shipyard" for life.
The Story
I started the event late, about 12 days in and worked out how to optimize getting points together, my corp worked on making fits for the sites and we made an agreement that I would split my rewards with them proportional to their own point accumulation. The guy that finished above me had 199k pts before I had even really got going and he finished only 17k above me. We had a long road between the start and end of this event. We piled through low sec moving from honeypot to honeypot, searching for those systems where shipyards piled up. A leopard scout zipped between these locations and reported what they saw, if shipyard gold was spotted we set our route and watched those systems until the fleet arrived. We also had several war decs active throughout the event and managed to kill a few folks along the way, most of our losses were to faction navies or concord....0.0 folks sometimes forget to check their sec status :P
Losses:
1 Machariel (t2 all gank, no tank) low sec 1 Hurricane, low sec 1 Caracal, Ammatar Navy didn't like 'im 1 Caracal Navy Issue, Concord 1 Astero, low sec scout 1 Tornado, sacrificed for the greater good in low sec
Kills:
1 Orca carrying x 2 hulks (1 dropped and I used this for the event mining challenges, it's shield booster went on my Orthrus) 1 Proteus , concorded trying to save the orca 1 Stratios, what can I say I know how to get 'em concorded, also died to concord 1 Mackinaw, caught YOLO'ing through a gate after committing Grand Theft Ore, lost his pod too 1 Bestower 1 Omen, can flipping ftw 1 Drake, more can flipping joy
Back to the story....So I have done maybe 5000 + jumps in the past month, maybe more, my AP was usually sitting in the hundreds of waypoints. Along the way I met a variety of individuals, who had their own eccentricities, some joined the fleet and headed to our position whenever they logged in. Some stalked me in rage, due to me always getting the can in "their" sites. One of the rando's that joined me had never been into low sec properly nor had they stolen anything before, she was soon corrupted and became eager for the less carebeary side of eve.
I saw a variety of strategies deployed in running these sites, drone boats being the most annoying and ineffective. The biggest blight for me was the 100,000 Gila's I encountered, seriously boring PVE choice guys. I got so sick of seeing them that all Gila's I encountered got tagged with a 5 mill bounty, something I am still keeping up today, even if you are blue... Grath Telkin didn't seem to agree with my opinion on the Gila and I got some strange anonymized bounty placed on my head as a result, gotta say no one has claimed it yet :)
I bumped into most of the other top 10 on my routes, which covered Kador, Kor-Azor, Domain, The Bleak Lands, Derelik, Devoid, Heimatar, Metropolis and some occasional stints into Gallente space and on occasion ran sites with them, I shared an ingame channel with 2 of them throughout the event, simply due to serendipity.
The event bought back a friend to resub who hasn't played for 2-3 yrs and I have flown with him since 2006, so it was a bit like old times :) It also gave a bit of downtime to Darkness folks that had been on CTA's forever and a day since MBC kicked goons out of Deklein. We had 1 guy in fleet fall asleep about 4 times during the event, each time trying to pull that he was there after we had cleaned the rats of his ship just floating in a devastated shipyard. I found myself doing shipyards asleep too, being woken by my shield warning noises. One guy in fleet rocked a high grade ascendancy set and I sware to god he was everywhere at the same time. On many occasions we found ourselves being scouted to new locations by machariels (still not quite settled with this 50% warp speed malarky), who got to work on the cruisers.
Our Standing Fleet: When solo I'd run an Orthrus and Machariel
x1-4 Orthrus x1-3 Machariels x1-2 Cynabals x1-3 Talos (hyperspatials) x1 Hurricane x1 Leopard (scout) x1 Astero (scout and prober)
Our setup was ungodly, it was possible to decimate a yard before the 2 mwd bursts it would take to get to the can and I really enjoyed, leaving a "WTF just happened" on the faces of people already in the sites in question. Everyone worked really hard to get me into the top 10 and I owe them much for their efforts.
The Loot came to about 9 billion isk, I spent 4 bill on buying people ships and PLEXing my two accounts, aswell as shitting out full cargoholds of serp processors periodically for someone in fleet to take, aswell as handing out implants.
I have been banned from more astrahaus's than I thought would be possible, and have been bountied again and again for crimes against serpentis can stealing. To the war targets, better luck next time, too slow and too concerned with choke points you are. |
Discordia Duenna
Control-Space DARKNESS.
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Posted - 2016.08.18 12:41:01 -
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reserved |
Soel Reit
Dambusters 617 Sq
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Posted - 2016.08.18 13:04:13 -
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reserved for comments after you finish writing your story. i suggest a tl;dr
(read all the story written for now, it's a good story)
p.s. Opa !top10 ftw EleGiggle |
Discordia Duenna
Control-Space DARKNESS.
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Posted - 2016.08.18 13:11:17 -
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TL;DR
CCP screwed the event winners over and still haven't delivered their bpc. Simultaneously they have released the bpc on SISI to the serp lp store. We have no period of exclusvity for our non-existant rewards after 450 + hrs put in.
Compared to other events, this one payed out less the more hrs you put in, would have had better odds and prices doing Theomachy. |
Viktor Amarr
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Posted - 2016.08.18 13:20:41 -
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You... you were expecting CCP to have a well thought out plan, properly executed with people and checks in place to ensure overall quality? What game have you been playing, cause I might be interested. |
Discordia Duenna
Control-Space DARKNESS.
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Posted - 2016.08.18 13:25:19 -
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Viktor Amarr wrote:You... you were expecting CCP to have a well thought out plan, properly executed with people and checks in place to ensure overall quality? What game have you been playing, cause I might be interested.
I'm a pragmatist, I am surprised CCP even got as far as they did with such a complex undertaking. Everyone makes mistakes and **** ups. Even you and me.
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Viktor Amarr
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Posted - 2016.08.18 13:38:20 -
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Discordia Duenna wrote:Viktor Amarr wrote:You... you were expecting CCP to have a well thought out plan, properly executed with people and checks in place to ensure overall quality? What game have you been playing, cause I might be interested. I'm a pragmatist, I am surprised CCP even got as far as they did with such a complex undertaking. Everyone makes mistakes and **** ups. Even you and me.
I'm a realist, if you want to predict the future you just have to look at the past. I couldn't name one single thing CCP has ever done that made good sense, was well executed with quality control from start to finish combined with proper communication back and forth. |
Discordia Duenna
Control-Space DARKNESS.
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Posted - 2016.08.18 13:39:46 -
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Viktor Amarr wrote:Discordia Duenna wrote:Viktor Amarr wrote:You... you were expecting CCP to have a well thought out plan, properly executed with people and checks in place to ensure overall quality? What game have you been playing, cause I might be interested. I'm a pragmatist, I am surprised CCP even got as far as they did with such a complex undertaking. Everyone makes mistakes and **** ups. Even you and me. I'm a realist, if you want to predict the future you just have to look at the past. I couldn't name one single thing CCP has ever done that made good sense, was well executed with quality control from start to finish combined with proper communication back and forth. I can, most of the game. This post isn't about other mistakes, it's about this one, sorry there is no fix all for CCP's errors, Let's take one issue at a time shall we? |
baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
17940
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Posted - 2016.08.18 13:42:08 -
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Forgive me but...Its on SISI, not tranq.
Whats the problem there? |
Rawthorm
D.M.T inc Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2016.08.18 13:43:42 -
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I may be making things up, but I swear CCP had an events team once upon a time. Now days I get the distinct feeling that no one "owns" events, (which is quite shocking considering there was a advertised webpage for it and everything) and as such it's just fell between the cracks once it was done with.
I can only hope that CCP is having an internal discussion about revisiting the build costs for these ships and thus held back in releasing them, but I'm not optimistic on that front. |
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Coralas
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.08.18 13:46:46 -
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baltec1 wrote:Forgive me but...Its on SISI, not tranq.
Whats the problem there?
The all important question is the price of the bpcs in LP, as that will put a ceiling on the price of the prize bpcs in game, very quickly.
Undoubtedly lack of information for buyers would have been helpful for sellers.
btw : anyone know what the LP costs are ? |
Solecist Project
32204
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Posted - 2016.08.18 13:47:29 -
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Great post, great read, thank you for sharing!
Quote:One of the rando's that joined me had never been into low sec properly nor had they stolen anything before, she was soon corrupted and became eager for the less carebeary side of eve.
Great work! Well done!
Now I'll read the second post. ^_^
"That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breaths of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly pulverised by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds." -- Tippia
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Zanar Skwigelf
Boa Innovations Brothers of Tangra
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Posted - 2016.08.18 13:48:03 -
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I have 3 thoughts on this:
1) 16 hours a day for 28 days straight is only 9th place?
2) Why should we care that literally 10 people got screwed? I would love to know how many people get scammed by Jita isk doublers each day.
3) The BPCs are on SISI, not TQ. You are being impatient. I understand that the offers have dried up, but once you get the bpcs I would expect you to get offers again. |
Discordia Duenna
Control-Space DARKNESS.
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Posted - 2016.08.18 13:49:55 -
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baltec1 wrote:Forgive me but...Its on SISI, not tranq.
Whats the problem there?
It's not on tranquility yet either, tis the main issue, second issue is having put the SISI stuff up it's pretty much made all buyers not interested for a price that would have made the acquisition of said bpc's worth the effort. It is a subtle issue that perhaps wouldn't have occurred if CCP had released our prizes already. On the 07 show they even said we "have been awarded", this is not the case.
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Coralas
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.08.18 13:54:18 -
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Zanar Skwigelf wrote:I have 3 thoughts on this:
1) 16 hours a day for 28 days straight is only 9th place?
2) Why should we care that literally 10 people got screwed? I would love to know how many people get scammed by Jita isk doublers each day.
ccp shouldn't be screwing players
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3) The BPCs are on SISI, not TQ. You are being impatient. I understand that the offers have dried up, but once you get the bpcs I would expect you to get offers again.
The price in LP is on SISI, this will put a ceiling on the offers.
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Discordia Duenna
Control-Space DARKNESS.
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Posted - 2016.08.18 13:55:45 -
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Zanar Skwigelf wrote:I have 3 thoughts on this:
1) 16 hours a day for 28 days straight is only 9th place?
2) Why should we care that literally 10 people got screwed? I would love to know how many people get scammed by Jita isk doublers each day.
3) The BPCs are on SISI, not TQ. You are being impatient. I understand that the offers have dried up, but once you get the bpcs I would expect you to get offers again.
1) Perhaps you should ask the others what they pulled to eh? missed the bit about starting 12 days late? Also this is just nasty what you are saying tbh.
2) ISK scammers are an in game emergent behaviour, not a CCP run competition, don't compare fish and apples for the sake of coming across as...i dunno whatever you were trying to be.
3) The impact has already been felt, it's very real to me and others in the top 10. Patience is something I am best known for and I have mountains of it. I also know when the time for patience is over and action needs to be taken. |
Breaking Fast
Eagle Wing Asset Management
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Posted - 2016.08.18 13:59:07 -
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Very well written piece.
My major gripe is the lack of communication - aside from a 30 second to 1 minute segment on the o7 show there is no written report on the event coming from CCP, some 9 days after the event ended now. The Instagram competition already has a write up. the last update on the serpentis event was written on 05/08/16 - almost 2 weeks ago.
Lack of communication as to when winners can expect their prizes? Are CCP expecting to hand them out at the same time as releasing them on the Serpentis LP store Tranquility?
CCP want more subscribers, want people to log in more to partake in events such as these. The way this one has been handled is certainly putting many people off from participating in future events including myself.
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Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
14572
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Posted - 2016.08.18 13:59:09 -
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CCP takes your cookie, not giving it to you. Always.
Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him.
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Zanar Skwigelf
Boa Innovations Brothers of Tangra
8
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Posted - 2016.08.18 14:08:22 -
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Coralas wrote:Zanar Skwigelf wrote:I have 3 thoughts on this:
1) 16 hours a day for 28 days straight is only 9th place?
2) Why should we care that literally 10 people got screwed? I would love to know how many people get scammed by Jita isk doublers each day.
ccp shouldn't be screwing players Quote:
3) The BPCs are on SISI, not TQ. You are being impatient. I understand that the offers have dried up, but once you get the bpcs I would expect you to get offers again.
The price in LP is on SISI, this will put a ceiling on the offers.
We knew from the initial announcement of the event that the BPCs were going to be put in the LP store after the event. I'm shocked that a serious buyer would try to purchase one of the BPCs before they hit the LP store.
Quote: 1) Perhaps you should ask the others what they pulled to eh? missed the bit about starting 12 days late? Also this is just nasty what you are saying tbh.
I didn't miss it, I'm just shocked that this is where the bar was set to even make the top 10, never mind the top 5. While my other 2 points were more cruel, this one was a general observation of the effort it takes to get a BPC that can be bought in an LP store if everyone just waited. |
Discordia Duenna
Control-Space DARKNESS.
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Posted - 2016.08.18 14:14:21 -
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Zanar Skwigelf wrote: Stuff.
We were all aware it would hit the lp store, just not before we actually got our prizes, some people pay more for being 1st. That's supply and demand. |
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TinkerHell
Nocturnal Romance Cynosural Field Theory.
238
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Posted - 2016.08.18 14:15:23 -
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lol that sucks, but i am surprised you didnt see it coming. I tried to do the event but after getting the copper can i gave up as the rewards just sucked and figured the top 10 would go the same way...The whole thing wasnt thought out well and the build price on the dread was just lol (and still is).
450 hours is only about 180b-225b running lvl5 missions
I lost an 880b offer on my silver magnate that now recieves offers for 50b thanks to one of CCPs events. So welcome to the Salt club. |
Discordia Duenna
Control-Space DARKNESS.
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Posted - 2016.08.18 14:26:06 -
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TinkerHell wrote:lol that sucks, but i am surprised you didnt see it coming. I tried to do the event but after getting the copper can i gave up as the rewards just sucked and figured the top 10 would go the same way...The whole thing wasnt thought out well and the build price on the dread was just lol (and still is). 450 hours is only about 180b-225b running lvl5 missions I lost an 880b offer on my silver magnate that now recieves offers for 50b thanks to one of CCPs events. So welcome to the Salt club.
Still that's 50b for a frigate. I wish I could say it was just salty, it it's way way beyond that.
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TinkerHell
Nocturnal Romance Cynosural Field Theory.
238
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Posted - 2016.08.18 14:29:16 -
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I paid more than 50b for that frigate :P
Your bpc still has some value when its released. You will be able to get at least 5b for it!!!
Sorry for your loss. |
Coralas
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.08.18 14:31:02 -
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TinkerHell wrote:I paid more than 50b for that frigate :P
Your bpc still has some value when its released. You will be able to get at least 5b for it!!!
Sorry for your loss.
There was a period of time you could have sold the frigate for its old value.
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Discordia Duenna
Control-Space DARKNESS.
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Posted - 2016.08.18 14:33:42 -
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TinkerHell wrote:I paid more than 50b for that frigate :P
Your bpc still has some value when its released. You will be able to get at least 5b for it!!!
Sorry for your loss.
It isn't just my loss, it's my corpmates time too. I'd understand if it were a hauler that got ganked carrying all out loots, or a re-release of something like the Magnate. This was meant to be a serious reward for the first time these ships would enter eve and whilst I appreciate your comparison to the magnate, it would be more comparable if you'd been screwed over before receiving a magnate at all. |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
8598
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Posted - 2016.08.18 14:35:33 -
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Not sure what people were expecting, CCP has been phoning it in for a long time.
Eventually there will be an apology of sorts (probably on Reddit) where CCP will declare how successful the event was with some statistics thrown in, and that they have been scrambling to get things out to the winners.
Hands up, who of you really thought the prizes were going to remain unique for any meaningful amount of time?
Gÿ+
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper: 'Hodor'.
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Discordia Duenna
Control-Space DARKNESS.
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Posted - 2016.08.18 14:36:55 -
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Doc Fury wrote:Not sure what people were expecting, CCP has been phoning it in for a long time.
Eventually there will be an apology of sorts (probably on Reddit) where CCP will declare how successful the event was with some statistics thrown in, and that they have been scrambling to get things out to the winners.
Hands up, who of you really thought the prizes were going to remain unique for any meaningful amount of time?
A couple of months at least, heck even a couple of weeks of having our rewards prior to SISI would have been good, but as it stands we don't even have the bpc yet :D |
TinkerHell
Nocturnal Romance Cynosural Field Theory.
238
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Posted - 2016.08.18 14:39:13 -
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Coralas wrote:TinkerHell wrote:I paid more than 50b for that frigate :P
Your bpc still has some value when its released. You will be able to get at least 5b for it!!!
Sorry for your loss. There was a period of time you could have sold the frigate for its old value.
Yes. I just had no warning that an event could spawn at any moment which instantly devalues that item, which they had tried re-releasing before but were met with unholy rage and backtracked saying they wouldnt re-release and made new ship prizes for that competition instead but clearly i needed to invest in more crystal balls. This thread isnt for that. Stop trying to mine me for my Salt.
Maybe CCP will change their ways and find a way to make the prizes seem a bit better now they have put a price on the item before even giving it to the winners, but as history has proven to me. They wont. |
Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker
347
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Posted - 2016.08.18 14:46:30 -
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Rawthorm wrote:I may be making things up, but I swear CCP had an events team once upon a time. That was during a time when we actually had quality events. Then they got fired.
When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
8598
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Posted - 2016.08.18 14:57:30 -
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Discordia Duenna wrote:Doc Fury wrote:Not sure what people were expecting, CCP has been phoning it in for a long time.
Eventually there will be an apology of sorts (probably on Reddit) where CCP will declare how successful the event was with some statistics thrown in, and that they have been scrambling to get things out to the winners.
Hands up, who of you really thought the prizes were going to remain unique for any meaningful amount of time?
A couple of months at least, heck even a couple of weeks of having our rewards prior to SISI would have been good, but as it stands we don't even have the bpc yet :D
Silly rabbit, CCP cannot monetize these items sufficiently or rapidly enough if there are only 10 of them in-game for more than a minute.
Gÿ+
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper: 'Hodor'.
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