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Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
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Posted - 2016.08.22 01:20:11 -
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https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/4yw71i/why_is_the_official_eve_forums_so_horrible/
Well?
@lunettelulu7
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
17562
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Posted - 2016.08.22 01:25:50 -
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Well?
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Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
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Posted - 2016.08.22 01:31:57 -
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Well... I don't think we are so horrible I fixed the verb in his topic title.
@lunettelulu7
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
17563
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Posted - 2016.08.22 01:35:28 -
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Meh, its primarily moaning about the isd. Its redit what fo you expect.
Somewhat disapointed i didn get a mention though , mustnt be trolling enough.
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Escalating Entropy
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Posted - 2016.08.22 01:45:48 -
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I'd say that Reddit is just as bad.
Terrible formatting. Just as much circlejerking. Different types of trolls and/or self-entitled whiners with their own agendas. And most the damning; popularity is everything... even if the content is bad or misguided.
It is like asking "why is _____ fast food joint so horrible?" while sitting inside a McDonald's.
Nothing to really see here.
How did you Veterans start?
The Mustache and Beard Thread
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Zanar Skwigelf
Boa Innovations Brothers of Tangra
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Posted - 2016.08.22 01:53:52 -
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I found it funny how many posters said the forums have a "no meanies" attitude/policy. I thought reddit was the circle jerk, not us. |
Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
449
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Posted - 2016.08.22 01:55:22 -
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It's like poop telling vomit it stinks!
@lunettelulu7
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Winter Archipelago
Autumn Industrial Enterprises
552
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Posted - 2016.08.22 01:57:15 -
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With as much as the Devs post to Reddit (occasionally even talking there instead of here), it feels like it's two sides to the same coin. The EVE Forums have their set of drawbacks, while Reddit has its own drawbacks. Continuing Shah's fast food analogy, it's basically Burger King and McDonald's complaining about each other.
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Hengle Teron
Order In Disorder Curatores Veritatis Alliance
60526
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Posted - 2016.08.22 01:58:02 -
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Lulu Lunette wrote:It's like poop telling vomit it stinks! At least the poop exits where waste is supposed to exit! |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2016.08.22 02:00:09 -
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I would say its more the differance between drinking in a bar (with rules over priced booz and a bouncer) verses drinking in a bush with none of those things
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Serene Repose
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Posted - 2016.08.22 02:04:26 -
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Ska-roo REDDIT. Why are you there? Slumming?
We must accommodate the idiocracy.
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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
832
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Posted - 2016.08.22 02:52:53 -
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Lulu Lunette wrote:It's like poop telling vomit it stinks! Damn. I post both on Reddit and here.
Poopy Vomit?
Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
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ISD Buldath
ISD STAR
436
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Posted - 2016.08.22 02:55:38 -
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[img=http://i.imgur.com/dVDJiez.gif]
~ISD Buldath
Commander
Support, Training and Resources Division
Interstellar Services Department
I do not respond to EVE-Mails regarding forum moderation.
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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
832
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Posted - 2016.08.22 02:57:56 -
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ISD Buldath wrote:[img]http://i.imgur.com/dVDJiez.gif[/img] Your image foo has failed you.
Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
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Chapo Muerte
The Conference Elite CODE.
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Posted - 2016.08.22 03:12:08 -
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ISD Buldath wrote:[img]http://i.imgur.com/dVDJiez.gif[/img]
Edit: I am fail at forums.
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2016.08.22 03:24:38 -
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I give it a resounding "Meh". I simply moderate.
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
Vice Admiral
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2016.08.22 03:32:18 -
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode wrote:I give it a resounding "Meh". I simply moderate. You should go and "lock" the the thread for discussion of moderation.
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ISD Buldath
ISD STAR
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Posted - 2016.08.22 03:50:22 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:ISD Dorrim Barstorlode wrote:I give it a resounding "Meh". I simply moderate. You should go and "lock" the the thread for discussion of moderation.
Nah, WE shouldn't.
I'm curious to see how things will go.
Many Things That we, as ISD's Do is shrouded in secrecy. The whole program is almost never talked about in an official capacity and very few people know how we operate or what or why we do things as we have.
All members spend weeks with Veteran ISD members in coaching and training to properly moderate there given field. And even before this, All members are carefully vetted and Interviewed before they are even given the option of coming on the team.
I have personally spent many months training to work the help channels under senior guidance before I was finally allowed to be on my own. Or "Unleashed" as its referred too internally.
ISD, As an entity, is a vast program that works almost 100% behind the scenes. Rarely do people ever come in contact with us but we are still there, doing our due diligence silently under the hood. Because of this lack of Publicity many players see us only for the actions taken upon them, and in many cases this is because of Several heavy rule violations.
This isn't much in response to the outcrys of poor moderation or terrible policy's, but hopefully as time progresses ISD can be seen in a more positive light as we grow into a more transparent entity.
~ISD Buldath
Commander
Support, Training and Resources Division
Interstellar Services Department
I do not respond to EVE-Mails regarding forum moderation.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2016.08.22 03:56:56 -
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yeah i have heard the isd interview ,vetting and opsec are pretty thorough . i wonder what the attrition rate is ...
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Lugia3
Tri-gun Psychotic Tendencies.
1510
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Posted - 2016.08.22 05:01:02 -
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Sorry to interrupt the circlejerk here, but it's mostly because reddit has a downvote feature. GrrIGotGankedPost#347253 will never make it to the front page, leaving the front page for memes and real posts.
"CCP Dolan is full of shit." - CCP Bettik
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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
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Posted - 2016.08.22 05:54:53 -
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Generally when I look at Reddit I also check out the down voted posts for people whose opinion is against the herd. It seems to me that Reddit can be an echo chamber at times. Eve forums are trolled heavily, but I can say that the current ISD are far superior to what went on before, before I would have my posts heavily moderated and anything snappy taken out and the ganker shrills would get a free pass, I noticed it happening any time I said anything against Jenn a'Snide for example (could have been that egotistical thin skinned idiot reporting everything though), but now the ISD let me give back what that idiot dishes out.
I have to say that the ISD is at the moment the most balanced I have seen since I started posting on the forums and they have my respect for it.
When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
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Yarosara Ruil
523
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Posted - 2016.08.22 06:47:54 -
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Reddit does have an infinite supply of dank memes, that the EVE Forums just can't match up. |
Viktor Amarr
97
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Posted - 2016.08.22 07:12:16 -
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Frankly, this whole thing about "waaah, too much moderation" is nonsense. The rules we have here aren't severe or unrealistic at all nor is the moderation too much or inconsistent. If one can't stay within the reasonable constraints of those rules we have then that's a problem of the poster, not the forum. So people who want less moderation simply want to make more **** posts, probably because they're used to a "shitpost away" forum or one with different etiquette (like having the question in the subject line with a "discuss" as actual post, that dumb **** doesn't fly here).
The real reasons are far more obvious:
- this forum software is terrible - Reddit works better on phones - Reddit doesn't require an active EVE account - it's easier to circlejerk on Reddit due to the upvote/downvote system, creating a false sense of moderation - obvious shitposts stay at the top longer on this forum and should be given a "get back on track or get locked" way more often (yes, I'm stating we need more moderation, it's a form of downvoting that isn't a circlejerk thing)
Doesn't mean CCP should go ahead and replace this forum with the one they showed us a while back, it's far worse than what we have right now with the only upside that it works on phones. It's not good enough. |
Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
1131
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Posted - 2016.08.22 08:01:21 -
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Dracvlad wrote:Generally when I look at Reddit I also check out the down voted posts for people whose opinion is against the herd. Well, while it may be an issue, I just treat it with "well then, thanks for sorting the thread for me".
Future of T3 cruisers - multi-tool they aspired to be instead of sledgehammer they have become
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Drago Shouna
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
527
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Posted - 2016.08.22 08:19:15 -
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We need harsher moderation in here.
The amount of threads getting derailed by others all the time is a pain in the arse.
I mean the obvious trolls who come in simply because what's being discussed doesn't fit in with their warped view of what EVE should be, or how it should be played, the ones who's own rigidity allows no other views apart from their own. It's happening in virtually every thread now and gets ignored by ISD until they decide to lock it rather than addressing the individuals constantly causing it.
I use a couple of other forums for other games, any crap like this gets instantly sorted out on there by the forum mods, it's simply not allowed to grow into threadnaughts of bickering caused by a handful of players whose sole purpose in life seems to be to troll, constantly. |
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
837
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Posted - 2016.08.22 09:01:49 -
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Dracvlad wrote:Generally when I look at Reddit I also check out the down voted posts for people whose opinion is against the herd.
I do that too, but it isn't quite that simple.
In order to both confuse bots early (so someone can't write a bot to have their own threads and comments massively upvoted) and to make sure there is a constant turnover of threads, reddit's voting algorithm smudges the values.
There is a good article on both thread and comment voting, here:
https://medium.com/hacking-and-gonzo/how-reddit-ranking-algorithms-work-ef111e33d0d9#.4m0ilvuty
(and the link internally to a post by the author of the voting algorithm is a good read too).
That means, the numbers aren't true numbers, so especially early on in a thread, scores might not be a good indicator, particularly because of the next secnetence.
r/eve votes are significantly affected by the flare selected. For example posts from Goons are often heavily downvoted, while former MBC Alliances are heavily upvoted, even if they post essentially the same comment.
I still always look down the bottom of threads, but the reliability of r/eve voting scores is never certain.
Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
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Solecist Project
32309
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Posted - 2016.08.22 09:05:43 -
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Shae Tadaruwa wrote:Dracvlad wrote:Generally when I look at Reddit I also check out the down voted posts for people whose opinion is against the herd.
I do that too, but it isn't quite that simple. In order to both confuse bots early (so someone can't write a bot to have their own threads and comments massively upvoted) and to make sure there is a constant turnover of threads, reddit's voting algorithm smudges the values. There is a good article on both thread and comment voting, here: https://medium.com/hacking-and-gonzo/how-reddit-ranking-algorithms-work-ef111e33d0d9#.4m0ilvuty (and the link internally to a post by the author of the voting algorithm is a good read too). That means, the numbers aren't true numbers, so especially early on in a thread, scores might not be a good indicator, particularly because of the next secnetence. r/eve votes are significantly affected by the flare selected. For example posts from Goons are often heavily downvoted, while former MBC Alliances are heavily upvoted, even if they post essentially the same comment. I still always look down the bottom of threads, but the reliability of r/eve voting scores is never certain. Early karma points are now hidden, didn't you notice? For an hour? Can't tell for sure.
"That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds." -- Tippia
Typos. the curse of mobility.
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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
837
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Posted - 2016.08.22 09:15:18 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Early karma points are now hidden, didn't you notice? For an hour? Can't tell for sure. Yes that is also a practice to help prevent block voting.
Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
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Solecist Project
32309
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Posted - 2016.08.22 09:20:03 -
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Drago Shouna wrote:We need harsher moderation in here.
The amount of threads getting derailed by others all the time is a pain in the arse.
I mean the obvious trolls who come in simply because what's being discussed doesn't fit in with their warped view of what EVE should be, or how it should be played, the ones who's own rigidity allows no other views apart from their own. It's happening in virtually every thread now and gets ignored by ISD until they decide to lock it rather than addressing the individuals constantly causing it.
I use a couple of other forums for other games, any crap like this gets instantly sorted out on there by the forum mods, it's simply not allowed to grow into threadnaughts of bickering caused by a handful of players whose sole purpose in life seems to be to troll, constantly. Well... yes... i don't disagree per se.
Such a rule would be of no use, though, because of many ... low abilitied ... who would then report others just for disagreeing. My personal wish would be moderation of intentional spreading of vitriol ... ... and moderation of people who continuously attempt to derail, no matter how.
Except jokes and such, ofc. But Veers Belvar - what's his new name - would be screwed. Though maybe C&P likes their pet, I dunno...
I really dislike all the useless back and forth pinging about details, too. It completely stalls progress. People waste pages over pages needing to correct people who say wrong things ... ... as if anyone learned anything from it ... ... instead of interested ones just kesping the conversation going.
Like, baltec's idea here in GD seems to be an interesting approach ... ... but it's completely useless lost in the lighting rod.
Meh ... vOv
"That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds." -- Tippia
Typos. the curse of mobility.
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Drago Shouna
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
527
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Posted - 2016.08.22 09:32:19 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Drago Shouna wrote:We need harsher moderation in here.
The amount of threads getting derailed by others all the time is a pain in the arse.
I mean the obvious trolls who come in simply because what's being discussed doesn't fit in with their warped view of what EVE should be, or how it should be played, the ones who's own rigidity allows no other views apart from their own. It's happening in virtually every thread now and gets ignored by ISD until they decide to lock it rather than addressing the individuals constantly causing it.
I use a couple of other forums for other games, any crap like this gets instantly sorted out on there by the forum mods, it's simply not allowed to grow into threadnaughts of bickering caused by a handful of players whose sole purpose in life seems to be to troll, constantly. Well... yes... i don't disagree per se. Such a rule would be of no use, though, because of many ... low abilitied ... who would then report others just for disagreeing. My personal wish would be moderation of intentional spreading of vitriol ... ... and moderation of people who continuously attempt to derail, no matter how. Except jokes and such, ofc. But Veers Belvar - what's his new name - would be screwed. Though maybe C&P likes their pet, I dunno... I really dislike all the useless back and forth pinging about details, too. It completely stalls progress. People waste pages over pages needing to correct people who say wrong things ... ... as if anyone learned anything from it ... ... instead of interested ones just kesping the conversation going. Like, baltec's idea here in GD seems to be an interesting approach ... ... but it's completely useless lost in the lighting rod. Meh ... vOv
Agreed.
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