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Avaelica Kuershin
Paper Cats
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Posted - 2016.08.22 09:35:28 -
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Solecist Project wrote:
I really dislike all the useless back and forth pinging about details, too. It completely stalls progress. People waste pages over pages needing to correct people who say wrong things ... ... as if anyone learned anything from it ... ... instead of interested ones just kesping the conversation going.
Too many threads like that. They start off interesting only to devolve into arguing about minutiae. Hard to find the signal among all the noise.
There are times when I'd like to read these forums on my phone, but the formatting works against easy reading.
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Solecist Project
32315
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Posted - 2016.08.22 09:47:36 -
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Avaelica Kuershin wrote:Solecist Project wrote:
I really dislike all the useless back and forth pinging about details, too. It completely stalls progress. People waste pages over pages needing to correct people who say wrong things ... ... as if anyone learned anything from it ... ... instead of interested ones just kesping the conversation going.
Too many threads like that. They start off interesting only to devolve into arguing about minutiae. Hard to find the signal among all the noise. There are times when I'd like to read these forums on my phone, but the formatting works against easy reading. Hi!
On my android I read on landscape mode. I think that works well. I use Chrome, but I should be switching over to something else. I wonder what your issue is, because I think it's fine.
In case you need a good keyboard, let me suggest "Hacker's Keyboard" free from the playstore. It's superior in literally every single way possible and one can even spawn it where the default won't come up.
Thank you, you two, for your posts. :)
"That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds." -- Tippia
Typos. the curse of mobility.
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Kenrailae
The Scope Gallente Federation
583
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Posted - 2016.08.22 09:49:36 -
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Avaelica Kuershin wrote:Solecist Project wrote:
I really dislike all the useless back and forth pinging about details, too. It completely stalls progress. People waste pages over pages needing to correct people who say wrong things ... ... as if anyone learned anything from it ... ... instead of interested ones just kesping the conversation going.
Too many threads like that. They start off interesting only to devolve into arguing about minutiae. Hard to find the signal among all the noise. There are times when I'd like to read these forums on my phone, but the formatting works against easy reading.
Product of what Eve is really. Nearly every problem one encounters in the game can be solved so many different ways. As a result, people have different experiences when dealing with the same problem, different perspectives of why it works and doesn't work, so when it comes to discussing ideas you still have 6 different people who have all overcome the same obstacle 6 different ways, so naturally they think this way is better than that way, or they feel that this attribute is more important than that one. Often times there is merit to what both parties are saying, but trying to get people to discuss 'the problem' and not 'my way of fixing it is better because of this reason' is nigh impossible.
EDIT: Gah that's a run on sentence and a half..... ignore my bad typing....
The Law is a point of View
The NPE IS a big deal
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Dibz
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
111
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Posted - 2016.08.22 10:34:16 -
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Ironically enough, the forum rules prevent me from saying why the forums are worse than reddit. Neat little clause that, at least from the ISD's point of view |
pajedas
Warlord of Mars
171
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Posted - 2016.08.22 11:23:15 -
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ISD Buldath wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:ISD Dorrim Barstorlode wrote:I give it a resounding "Meh". I simply moderate. You should go and "lock" the the thread for discussion of moderation. Nah, WE shouldn't. I'm curious to see how things will go. Many Things That we, as ISD's Do is shrouded in secrecy. The whole program is almost never talked about in an official capacity and very few people know how we operate or what or why we do things as we have. All members spend weeks with Veteran ISD members in coaching and training to properly moderate there given field. And even before this, All members are carefully vetted and Interviewed before they are even given the option of coming on the team. I have personally spent many months training to work the help channels under senior guidance before I was finally allowed to be on my own. Or "Unleashed" as its referred too internally. ISD, As an entity, is a vast program that works almost 100% behind the scenes. Rarely do people ever come in contact with us but we are still there, doing our due diligence silently under the hood. Because of this lack of Publicity many players see us only for the actions taken upon them, and in many cases this is because of Several heavy rule violations. This isn't much in response to the outcrys of poor moderation or terrible policy's, but hopefully as time progresses ISD can be seen in a more positive light as we grow into a more transparent entity. You've locked many threads for far less.
So, it's all about "you're opinion".
Fail.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
26638
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Posted - 2016.08.22 11:29:08 -
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pajedas wrote:You've locked many threads for far less.
So, it's all about "you're opinion".
Fail.
It's your opinion, not you're opinion; you're being the contraction of you are.
Before you start shouting fail you should make sure that what you post doesn't display any failures.
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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pajedas
Warlord of Mars
171
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Posted - 2016.08.22 11:33:47 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:pajedas wrote:You've locked many threads for far less.
So, it's all about "you're opinion".
Fail.
It's your opinion, not you're opinion; you're being the contraction of you are. Before you start shouting fail you should make sure that what you post doesn't display any failures. sPeling isnnt my highust priorritty.
Butt thanx!
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Solecist Project
32315
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Posted - 2016.08.22 11:33:52 -
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Dibz wrote:Ironically enough, the forum rules prevent me from saying why the forums are worse than reddit. Neat little clause that, at least from the ISD's point of view It's funny how this doesn't match.
You say the forums are worse than reddit ... ... and you also say CAS is full of immature males who behave "cliquey".
And that is pretty much a perfect description of /r/eve.
Make up your mind or stop bullshitting.
"That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds." -- Tippia
Typos. the curse of mobility.
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pajedas
Warlord of Mars
171
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Posted - 2016.08.22 11:38:20 -
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@Solecist Project @ISD Buldath
Seems to be a thread of contradictions.
Be sure to run splchk.
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Solecist Project
32317
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Posted - 2016.08.22 11:50:18 -
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pajedas wrote:@Solecist Project @ISD Buldath
Seems to be a thread of contradictions.
Be sure to run splchk.
See... instead of a twoliner you could have actually explained your point ... ... preferrably relatively objective and true to the facts! :D
But ou don't. You just drop this here and don't actually care about how it comes across. Or if anyone actually understands you.
And you don't care about your spelling, which is a bad sign as well. But all you do is say "i don't care", instead of caring about yourself and asking why it actually matters. And it does!
Why not try again?
"That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds." -- Tippia
Typos. the curse of mobility.
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pajedas
Warlord of Mars
180
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Posted - 2016.08.22 11:51:36 -
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Solecist Project wrote:pajedas wrote:@Solecist Project @ISD Buldath
Seems to be a thread of contradictions.
Be sure to run splchk.
See... instead of a twoliner you could have actually explained your point ... ... preferrably relatively objective and true to the facts! :D But ou don't. You just drop this here and don't actually care about how it comes across. Or if anyone actually understands you. And you don't care about your spelling, which is a bad sign as well. But all you do is say "i don't care", instead of caring about yourself and asking why it actually matters. And it does! Why not try again? You should have scrolled up before you corrected me.
Try again.
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Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
453
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Posted - 2016.08.22 11:55:15 -
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It doesnt matter if you reddit or Eve Forum or #tweetfleet..
We all bleed pod goo (ßâª-ÿGîú-ÿßâª)
@lunettelulu7
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Solecist Project
32317
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Posted - 2016.08.22 12:00:59 -
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pajedas wrote:Solecist Project wrote:pajedas wrote:@Solecist Project @ISD Buldath
Seems to be a thread of contradictions.
Be sure to run splchk.
See... instead of a twoliner you could have actually explained your point ... ... preferrably relatively objective and true to the facts! :D But ou don't. You just drop this here and don't actually care about how it comes across. Or if anyone actually understands you. And you don't care about your spelling, which is a bad sign as well. But all you do is say "i don't care", instead of caring about yourself and asking why it actually matters. And it does! Why not try again? You should have scrolled up before you corrected me. Try again. Ah, the inflated ego of the average. Well, there's nothing more to add to this. :)
"That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds." -- Tippia
Typos. the curse of mobility.
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Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
7752
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Posted - 2016.08.22 12:27:56 -
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Went to see what the fuss was about expecting a thread about EVE-O forum functionality, found a huge whine fest about how "everyone is mean and fanboys and autistic" instead. Ah Reddit, the ugly half-step-second-cousin of 4chan.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
7752
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Posted - 2016.08.22 12:33:53 -
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Viktor Amarr wrote:Frankly, this whole thing about "waaah, too much moderation" is nonsense. The rules we have here aren't severe or unrealistic at all nor is the moderation too much or inconsistent. If one can't stay within the reasonable constraints of those rules we have then that's a problem of the poster, not the forum. So people who want less moderation simply want to make more **** posts, probably because they're used to a "shitpost away" forum or one with different etiquette (like having the question in the subject line with a "discuss" as actual post, that dumb **** doesn't fly here).
The real reasons are far more obvious:
- this forum software is terrible - Reddit works better on phones - Reddit doesn't require an active EVE account - it's easier to circlejerk on Reddit due to the upvote/downvote system, creating a false sense of moderation - obvious shitposts stay at the top longer on this forum and should be given a "get back on track or get locked" way more often (yes, I'm stating we need more moderation, it's a form of downvoting that isn't a circlejerk thing)
Doesn't mean CCP should go ahead and replace this forum with the one they showed us a while back, it's far worse than what we have right now with the only upside that it works on phones. It's not good enough.
Wait on a second.
People are complaining about TOO MUCH MODERATION?!
Do they not realise how few people actually get banned around here? How hard it is to get banned? I know, I've tried, just to see how far I can go. I've spent, in my thirty years of gaming, a lot of time on gaming forums, and it usually takes me less than about a month to get a short ban on almost all of them.
Except this one.
The mods here are incredibly patient and lenient and know how to allow a community to grow. They know to let heated arguments run their course, only stepping in if things actually catch fire.
Have they dun ****** up occasionally? Sure, and I have my criticisms, but I usually don't feel the need to voice them due to how impressively inclusive the mods try to keep this forum.
I've noticed the mods here tend more towards community self-moderation, hoping not to have to step in too much at all. I'll be honest, sometimes in the past I've wondered if they're just being lazy.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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ISD Buldath
ISD STAR
456
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Posted - 2016.08.22 12:38:03 -
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Ccp as a game company cannot allow a feature like down votes to exist. In EVE there are many diffrent plays types that all suit various types of playwrs, some more popular the others. The eve online forums need to stay a safe haven for any type of play group within the game. There ideas may not be the most popular, but they are still seen and heard.
In a few cases these get locked for bing in the wrong sub forum, forbeing obnoxious or insulting of ccp staff or a particular set of eve players or just trolly and no effort put into it at all.
Constructive criticism is always welcome.
~ISD Buldath
Commander
Support, Training and Resources Division
Interstellar Services Department
I do not respond to EVE-Mails regarding forum moderation.
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Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore
14454
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Posted - 2016.08.22 12:42:48 -
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I post here more often, probably out of familiarity. But I think Reddit is better and in fine Scoreboard fashion, several CCP employees seem to agree.
You can't blame them, these forums are all whining and meta gaming (the people who can't succeed in game run to the forums to try to do an end-around against their enemies , trying to manipulate the devs into make the game eaiser for them and harder for the people they don't like).
Reddit posts are actually fun to read, EVE forum posts can be super cringe-worth. They are current and informative rather than the endless crying about ganking and afk cloaking or lack of WiS. They are more about the rest of EVE space (where people do interesting things) where as the busiest forum sections here revolve around high security space.
And then there is that downvote feature. It's the best thing about reddit. The most hilarious thing to watch is how the downvoted people try to portray themselves as some kind of victim, some hero of justice done wrong by 'the big entities', when in reality they are mostly just manipulative attention seeking asshats with asshat agendas that are so transparent everyone can see what they are after, and the community punishes them appropriately.
You can't do that here. The best you can do here is use the ignore function and you are still going to see these idiots talk because some other idiot is going to quote them. Maybe if CCP provided a forum that would seem tohave been built in this century (where ignore means ignore) that would help some. But I doubt it. |
ISD Max Trix
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
294
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Posted - 2016.08.22 12:52:11 -
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Being an ISD is a damn if you do Damn if you dont situation. You will always have people saying your doing too much or not enough.
There are some subforums that have to be hard lined moderated, such as New Player and the bazaar, due to the nature of those sub forums and the special rules for each.
I know Ive screwed up in the past, but I hope I reached the balance needed to do the job. Its a bit like herding cats, when there's catnip in the walls and the house is on fire.
ISD Max Trix
Lieutenant
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
I do not respond to Evemails.
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Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
7755
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Posted - 2016.08.22 12:57:13 -
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ISD Buldath wrote:There ideas may not be the most popular, but they are still seen and heard.
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Constructive criticism is always welcome.
The very core of what a free marketplace of ideas should be. I may not like an idea, you may not like mine, but we get an opportunity to discuss it because that's what a forum should be for, and rather than an echo chamber of groupthink, sometimes we'll clash on those ideas. This is healthy dialectic, and without it, my earliest opinions of EVE would not have changed as they did. In my experience, you guys have done well to uphold these virtues of free expression, so thank you all for a job well done.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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Viktor Amarr
101
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Posted - 2016.08.22 13:01:58 -
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ISD Max Trix wrote:Being an ISD is a damn if you do Damn if you dont situation. You will always have people saying your doing too much or not enough.
There are some subforums that have to be hard lined moderated, such as New Player and the bazaar, due to the nature of those sub forums and the special rules for each.
I know Ive screwed up in the past, but I hope I reached the balance needed to do the job. Its a bit like herding cats, when there's catnip in the walls and the house is on fire.
ISD are doing fine so just ignore the whiners, the intention is there to do it right and the rules allow for perfectly normal posting. Just because once in a while someone took a left turn while others think it should have been right, who cares... **** happens.
In fact ISD should probably probably step in more often, jump into cat/***** fight and go "stop your circlejerking and argumentative shitposting!" (I'm know I'm one of the culprits). That would improve overall quality of the forums and would result in threads that have been beaten to death numerous times, where there's no fresh insights or ideas to be expected, to just die off and drop off the first page. |
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Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore
14454
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Posted - 2016.08.22 13:05:20 -
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ISD Max Trix wrote:Being an ISD is a damn if you do Damn if you dont situation. You will always have people saying your doing too much or not enough.
There are some subforums that have to be hard lined moderated, such as New Player and the bazaar, due to the nature of those sub forums and the special rules for each.
I know Ive screwed up in the past, but I hope I reached the balance needed to do the job. Its a bit like herding cats, when there's catnip in the walls and the house is on fire.
I don't think you guys do a bad job at all, especially given what you are up against. I do the same kind of thing in real life and I know how hard it can be to maintain a balance. I don't think ISDs are a problem, but their are 'natural' non-ISD caused issues that pop up given the mission of these forums. Thus people seek out other places to talk about EVE.
One reason Reddit is so popular IMO is because it is free of the constraints these forums have to operate under. Nothing wrong with that IMO.
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Maekchu
Gunpoint Diplomacy
416
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Posted - 2016.08.22 13:07:28 -
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Or people could just use both...
THERE, I SAID IT! |
Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
7755
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Posted - 2016.08.22 13:07:30 -
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Viktor Amarr wrote:ISD Max Trix wrote:Being an ISD is a damn if you do Damn if you dont situation. You will always have people saying your doing too much or not enough.
There are some subforums that have to be hard lined moderated, such as New Player and the bazaar, due to the nature of those sub forums and the special rules for each.
I know Ive screwed up in the past, but I hope I reached the balance needed to do the job. Its a bit like herding cats, when there's catnip in the walls and the house is on fire. ISD are doing fine so just ignore the whiners, the intention is there to do it right and the rules allow for perfectly normal posting. Just because once in a while someone took a left turn while others think it should have been right, who cares... **** happens. In fact ISD should probably probably step in more often, jump into cat/***** fight and go "stop your circlejerking and argumentative shitposting!" (I'm know I'm one of the culprits). That would improve overall quality of the forums and would result in threads that have been beaten to death numerous times, where there's no fresh insights or ideas to be expected, to just die off and drop off the first page.
There's a good reason ISD let arguments play out for a while. Ending an argument prematurely has a nasty habit of further insensing/inflaming 'wounded' parties to it. This can result in those parties becoming even more inflamatory. Usually, even heated arguments will run their course without ISD having to do anything. People cool down and move on all on their own, and the argument is forgotten.
It's actually very smart, and helps build community. In many other forums I've been to, I and others get shut down/banned too quickly to actually form any relationship with other forum posters. Community is hard to build that way. If you let a little flame war run its course.... well, let's just say that there are plenty of people around here that I've tustled with that I'd gladly have a beer with.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore
14454
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Posted - 2016.08.22 13:10:35 -
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Maekchu wrote:Or people could just use both...
THERE, I SAID IT!
*Tries to downvote Maekchu, but there is no downvote feature, so hit's like instead*
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Viktor Amarr
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Posted - 2016.08.22 13:11:51 -
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Maekchu wrote:Or people could just use both...
THERE, I SAID IT!
Thou shalt not covet another website's forum.
BLASPHEMY! |
Serene Repose
2770
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Posted - 2016.08.22 13:12:19 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Ah, the inflated ego of the average. Well, there's nothing more to add to this. :) OMFG. Look who's talking. Or should this be: "Takes one to know one?"
"Some" of our current "regulars" fail to grasp this forum is about EVE Online, the game, not about posting on forums as a passtime. I'm not sayin'. I'm just sayin'. EVE management posting on Reddit instead of here should be fired for disloyalty.
We must accommodate the idiocracy.
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Maekchu
Gunpoint Diplomacy
416
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Posted - 2016.08.22 13:20:50 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Maekchu wrote:Or people could just use both...
THERE, I SAID IT! *Tries to downvote Maekchu, but there is no downvote feature, so hit's like instead* You cannot censor me in this forum. Here I'm free... FREE, I SAY!!!
MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
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Viktor Amarr
101
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Posted - 2016.08.22 13:41:28 -
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Reported for trolling. |
sero Hita
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
197
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Posted - 2016.08.22 20:06:45 -
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Jenn aSide wrote: You can't blame them, these forums are all whining and meta gaming (the people who can't succeed in game run to the forums to try to do an end-around against their enemies , trying to manipulate the devs into make the game eaiser for them and harder for the people they don't like).
Reddit posts are actually fun to read, EVE forum posts can be super cringe-worthy. They are current and informative rather than the endless crying about ganking and afk cloaking or lack of WiS. They are more about the rest of EVE space (where people do interesting things) where as the busiest forum sections here revolve around high security space.
I agree so much with this. R/EVE posts often gives me energy (funny AMAs, Memes, anekdotes, funny KM etc.) and the posts on these forums mostly suck my energy and makes me RL semi depressed when I leave the computer. Hence I often take long breaks from these forums. There are hardly any fun threads anymore on here. It is just the same complaints and threads with 200 pages done by ~20 players discussing in circles.
Plus I don't like how people discuss here. It is always more like two deaf poeple screaming out their very different point of views, than a real discussion. Also I think the quality of discussion is better on R/EVE. Here people often commit logical fallacies and other bad discussion techniques, which is just a waste of time engaging in.
"I'm all for pvp, don't get me wrong. I've ganked in Empire, blobed in low sec. Got T-shirts from every which-where.. But to be forced into a pvp confrontation that I didn't want is wrong ccp." RealFlisker
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Solecist Project
32327
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Posted - 2016.08.22 20:14:22 -
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sero Hita wrote:There are hardly any fun threads You have to be the change you want to see in the world. -- Gandhi ... and you have to be a pest with it until it sticks. -- Solecist Project
Go make a funny thread! It'll be appreciated!
"That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds." -- Tippia
Typos. the curse of mobility.
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