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Solecist Project
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Posted - 2016.08.22 20:16:27 -
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Serene Repose wrote:EVE management posting on Reddit instead of here should be fired for disloyalty. Loyalty towards which part of the divided EVE community?
"That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds." -- Tippia
Typos. the curse of mobility.
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TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2016.08.22 20:20:37 -
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One could ask the same question about the EVE subreddit and the gigantic mountains of filth it produces on a daily basis.
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Divine Entervention
Bridge Four
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Posted - 2016.08.22 21:06:50 -
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Over moderation of EvE forums led to more enjoyment on Reddit's.
These were fun until the hypocrisy became overbearing. |
HeXxploiT
Little Red X
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Posted - 2016.08.22 21:23:49 -
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Well Reddit is just an obvious cluster but atleast it allows people to discuss content honestly and openly. RMT is such a huge aspect of the life and uniqueness that is eve and is involved in both high end politics and PVP but you can't talk about it here. The risk, reward & VALUE is at the very core of what makes eve special which is why whenever we talk about a big battle we talk about how much $$$ was lost. This kicks eve up a notch from just a game.
So we here are left out of many of the most interesting discussions. |
sero Hita
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
197
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Posted - 2016.08.22 21:45:05 -
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Solecist Project wrote: You have to be the change you want to see in the world. -- Gandhi ... and you have to be a pest with it until it sticks. -- Solecist Project
Go make a funny thread! It'll be appreciated!
I get your point, but the thing is I can already read funny posts on R/EVE or post funny post there with less restrictions than here. TBH. I am very pragmatic of nature and I don't feel any responsiblity towards these forums (or the players here who don't want to use other platforms), when there is a well functioning community on R/EVE voting away all the crap that makes me want to be antisocial on these forums. It is not lazyness, it is using something that is already there and working better IMO. This is just my opinion though, and there are probably plenty people out there finding that these forums are super important.
"I'm all for pvp, don't get me wrong. I've ganked in Empire, blobed in low sec. Got T-shirts from every which-where.. But to be forced into a pvp confrontation that I didn't want is wrong ccp." RealFlisker
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Gneeznow
Ship spinners inc
148
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Posted - 2016.08.22 21:51:43 -
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HeXxploiT wrote:Well Reddit is just an obvious cluster but atleast it allows people to discuss content honestly and openly ...
So we here are left out of many of the most interesting discussions.
This. I don't like reddit much but at least you can talk about contentious issues there. Here you'll just get your thread locked and often quietly deleted and possibly a ban for your efforts. CCP's resorted to mass bannings many times over the years to try and silence contentious issues. So what you end up is what you have here, a harem of yes-men and fanboys who'll avoid contentious issues at all costs. |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
2237
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Posted - 2016.08.22 22:09:04 -
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I like how arbitrary moderation is one of the chief talking points in the link, and this thread hasn't been locked for violating the rule on discussion of forum moderation.
How... arbitrary.
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Moac Tor
Cyber Core Stain Confederation
676
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Posted - 2016.08.22 23:00:12 -
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Gneeznow wrote:a harem of yes-men and fanboys who'll avoid contentious issues at all costs. Lol, you obviously haven't read much GD. Your statement couldn't be any much further off the mark.
Redditers cannot complain on one hand that the Eve Forums are constantly complaining about the game, and then on the other hand complain that Eve Forums are full of 'yes men'.
A typical ill thought out Reddit esque comment...
If anything Reddit is the place in which you cannot say anything contentious, because if you do then your post will be down-voted into oblivion if you are not following the herd.
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An Alternative to Skill Trading
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Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
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Posted - 2016.08.23 01:40:10 -
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That upvoting and downvoting system is probably good for sorting good jokes, recipes, DIY tips, and stuff like that from bad ones. But seems pretty primitive for discussions about more subjective, complicated things. Some historical examples: -Van Gogh on reddit, 1889. Weirdo who posts weird shite posts. Can't even paint a proper realistic painting with contours and shadows. Downvoted to oblivion.
-Nietzsche on reddit, 1899. Another weirdo, but an aggressive, argumentative one, peeing in everybody's Cheerios bowl. Downvoted straight into the black hole.
-Galilleo on reddit, 1619. Not only downvoted away, but pissed everybody off so much that got an indefinite ban.
If popular popularity = quality, that explains why Bieber and Kardashian are so excellent, right?
The other thing is at least half of all EVE players are ninnies and twits with the mentality of a teenage guy in a high school locker room. Or stray dogs in a pick-up dog pack. Once somebody gets in a good Alpha zinger in on a poster, a lot will follow the lead and get a shot in on the Beta guy too. You see it all the time here on the EVE forums. (Well, you used to at least, when forums were more lively). The momentum starts rolling one way, and people jump into the winning side and post that way. (There was some rage during WWB about this).
That's in EVE forums, where you have to actually post something with a real or alt char, and be ready for somebody to maybe call shite on you. reddit, it's just a casual, anonymous click of up or down. You can do it in less than a second, then be on your way to looking for wherever else you think you might find some internet fun. Rule by Quick Gratificationocracy.
Start the bubble machine!
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Roenok Baalnorn
Sadistically Sinister
299
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Posted - 2016.08.23 03:12:46 -
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Reddit is for chest beating and smack talking. The forums are for intelligent conversation. I hate reddit posting style though. |
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sero Hita
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
197
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Posted - 2016.08.23 06:49:03 -
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Roenok Baalnorn wrote:The forums are for intelligent conversation.
Each to his own of what is defined as intelligent conversation. I find though that these forums are full of circular discussions with people just repeating the same things over and over, moving no where. As the posts stay here for a long time, the threads keep getting necroed by people discussing something offtopic in far too much detail leading to unfruitful discussion leaving the involved parts more bitter than when they started IMO. Go through many of the threads here, check out the dates, check how much discussion is on topic and tell me that is not the case (you can also check out the posting history of the notorious Lucas Kell for great examples). This for me is not intelligent discussion. on R EVE these posts will be out of sight pretty fast and people will not linger in unproductive discussion. That is the big differene for me.
"I'm all for pvp, don't get me wrong. I've ganked in Empire, blobed in low sec. Got T-shirts from every which-where.. But to be forced into a pvp confrontation that I didn't want is wrong ccp." RealFlisker
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Solecist Project
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Posted - 2016.08.23 07:51:44 -
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sero Hita wrote:Roenok Baalnorn wrote:The forums are for intelligent conversation. Each to his own of what is defined as intelligent conversation. I find though that these forums are full of circular discussions with people just repeating the same things over and over, moving no where. As the posts stay here for a long time, the threads keep getting necroed by people discussing something offtopic in far too much detail leading to unfruitful discussion leaving the involved parts more bitter than when they started IMO. Go through many of the threads here, check out the dates, check how much discussion is on topic and tell me that is not the case (you can also check out the posting history of the notorious Lucas Kell for great examples). This for me is not intelligent discussion. on R EVE these posts will be out of sight pretty fast and people will not linger in unproductive discussion. That is the big differene for me.
Solecist Project wrote: You have to be the change you want to see in the world. -- Gandhi ... and you have to be a pest with it until it sticks. -- Solecist Project
Is it emptyquoting if i quote myself to avoid typing it again? Hmm...
"That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds." -- Tippia
Typos. the curse of mobility.
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xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers EVEolution.
480
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Posted - 2016.08.23 08:08:58 -
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I've never felt the EVE forums to be horrible in any way shape or form. I've always found it easy to read and follow threads. the moderation is within what should be expected on a gaming companies forums.
i do however often think to myself, this game is played by adults, yes there is a few younger people playing but i think we can all agree the average player in EVE is older than 12 (a lot older )
so honest question here.
does the Pegi 12 rating have anything to do with what can be said here and what cannot be said?
I'm sure it does and would explain why we have the moderation we do.
I'm no fan of the split, if ya have something to say about EVE you should be able to say it here without finding yourself banned or muted, and that leads us to why reddit has any interest for the EVE community.
still it all comes down to one thing, when you accept the rules on a forum the discussion is pretty much over.
rules and moderation are needed or it all goes to shite real fast.
ISD do a great job, met a couple of you guys over the years at fanfest.
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sero Hita
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
198
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Posted - 2016.08.23 08:23:14 -
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Solecist Project wrote:
Is it emptyquoting if i quote myself to avoid typing it again? Hmm...
Lazy reading, no wish to understand or what is up?
I have engaged with many intelligent and good arguments (according to me) over the years (many of which you have also taken part). This is not my RL job though, and as the negativity of these forums affect my mood in RL, I will pass and continue to my stuff on reddit. Eve is just entertainment for me nothing more.
And you misunderstand: I was just explaning why I think these forums are horrible, not how to change it as I don't care (I honestly dislike these forums after years running through the wall, and some simple primal part of me is amused by the decline caused by all the negativity here creating more negativity.. and round and round we go... watching the forums burn etc.. etc..).
And don't be mistaken you are the one who needs these forums to do your meta stuff, not me (my enjoyment mostly come from playing the game with my corp). While symphathetic to your cause, you also have to accept that some people are just not as invested in EVE(The forums) as you are, without that it means that society is on a deroute or that we need a change in society ...
"I'm all for pvp, don't get me wrong. I've ganked in Empire, blobed in low sec. Got T-shirts from every which-where.. But to be forced into a pvp confrontation that I didn't want is wrong ccp." RealFlisker
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Solecist Project
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Posted - 2016.08.23 08:34:04 -
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sero Hita wrote:Solecist Project wrote:
Is it emptyquoting if i quote myself to avoid typing it again? Hmm...
Lazy reading, no wish to understand or what is up? I have engaged with many intelligent and good arguments (according to me) over the years (many of which you have also taken part). This is not my RL job though, and as the negativity of these forums affect my mood in RL, I will pass and continue to my stuff on reddit. Eve is just entertainment for me nothing more. And you misunderstand: I was just explaning why I think these forums are horrible, not how to change it as I don't care (I honestly dislike these forums after years running against the wall, and some simple primal part of me is amused by the decline in activity here caused by all the negativity and bad discussions here creating more negativity.. and round and round we go... watching the forums burn to ashes .. dead... cold ... inactive...etc.. etc.. ). And don't be mistaken you are the one who needs these forums to do your meta stuff, not me (my enjoyment mostly come from playing the game with my corp). While symphathetic to your cause, you also have to accept that some people are just not as invested in EVE(The forums) as you are, without that it means that society is on a deroute or that we need a change in society ... Hey, I play my way! It's a sandbox, I can play any way i wanna!
Lol sorry, it was just too fitting... ;) (I did it once, i will do it again!)
"That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds." -- Tippia
Typos. the curse of mobility.
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
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Posted - 2016.08.23 09:04:31 -
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xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:I've never felt the EVE forums to be horrible in any way shape or form. I've always found it easy to read and follow threads. the moderation is within what should be expected on a gaming companies forums.
i do however often think to myself, this game is played by adults, yes there is a few younger people playing but i think we can all agree the average player in EVE is older than 12 (a lot older )
so honest question here.
does the Pegi 12 rating have anything to do with what can be said here and what cannot be said?
I'm sure it does and would explain why we have the moderation we do.
I'm no fan of the split, if ya have something to say about EVE you should be able to say it here without finding yourself banned or muted, and that leads us to why reddit has any interest for the EVE community.
still it all comes down to one thing, when you accept the rules on a forum the discussion is pretty much over.
rules and moderation are needed or it all goes to shite real fast.
ISD do a great job, met a couple of you guys over the years at fanfest.
Totally agree on the first bit. I think the community is much harder on itself than it really needs to be. Some of the discussion here, especially in GD, is often more informative than most other places.
But, I guess it's easier to be close minded than open minded and that often comes with a view that other people's views are not valid. Unfortunate, but it will never change (and discussion here will continue to be useful, even if some people want to put the community, or individual members of it, down).
As for the PEGI 12 question, the classificant strictly applies to the game, not the forum:
http://www.pegi.info/en/index/id/33/
PEGI 12 Videogames that show violence of a slightly more graphic nature towards fantasy character and/or non graphic violence towards human-looking characters or recognisable animals, as well as videogames that show nudity of a slightly more graphic nature would fall in this age category. Any bad language in this category must be mild and fall short of sexual expletives.
However, since we all operate under the 1 EULA, I guess it applies here too, but more through CCP policy than PEGI requirement.
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Solecist Project
32335
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Posted - 2016.08.23 10:02:08 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:http://www.pegi.info/en/index/id/33/
PEGI 12 Videogames that show violence of a slightly more graphic nature towards fantasy character and/or non graphic violence towards human-looking characters or recognisable animals, as well as videogames that show nudity of a slightly more graphic nature would fall in this age category. Any bad language in this category must be mild and fall short of sexual expletives. ****! i should have been permabanned long ago! :(
"That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds." -- Tippia
Typos. the curse of mobility.
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Solecist Project
32336
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Posted - 2016.08.23 11:08:41 -
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sero Hita wrote:Solecist Project wrote: You have to be the change you want to see in the world. -- Gandhi ... and you have to be a pest with it until it sticks. -- Solecist Project
Go make a funny thread! It'll be appreciated!
I get your point, but the thing is I can already read funny posts on R/EVE or post funny post there with less restrictions than here. TBH. I am very pragmatic of nature and I don't feel any responsiblity towards these forums (or the players here who don't want to use other platforms), when there is a well functioning community on R/EVE voting away all the crap that makes me want to be antisocial on these forums. It is not lazyness, it is using something that is already there and working better IMO. This is just my opinion though, and there are probably plenty people out there finding that these forums are super important. I missed an important detail about your response.
Your orientation is "consumerism". No clue how to word that better.
"That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds." -- Tippia
Typos. the curse of mobility.
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Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
600
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Posted - 2016.08.23 11:21:12 -
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sero Hita wrote:... there is a well functioning community on R/EVE voting away all the crap that makes me want to be antisocial on these forums ... 2 issues with this...
#1: Well Functioning? I've heard Reddit's community called a lot of things...but rarely *that*...
#2: Do you not find it dull limiting yourself to a group that all think the same way, and simply vote away any discussions that don't match their own general views? I find it very hard to believe that any *truly* controversial topics are ever discussed there - since by the very definition anything the people in your community view as "controversial" will be down-voted out of existence before meaningful conversation can take place... Sometimes there is value in seeing opposing viewpoints, and even in having a pointless argument just to better understand the mind-set of the other side. |
Caleb Seremshur
Black Scorpions Inc Infensus
838
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Posted - 2016.08.23 11:32:54 -
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HeXxploiT wrote:Well Reddit is just an obvious cluster but atleast it allows people to discuss content honestly and openly. RMT is such a huge aspect of the life and uniqueness that is eve and is involved in both high end politics and PVP but you can't talk about it here. The risk, reward & VALUE is at the very core of what makes eve special which is why whenever we talk about a big battle we talk about how much $$$ was lost. This kicks eve up a notch from just a game.
So we here are left out of many of the most interesting discussions.
Reddit is hardly open and honest compared to 4chan. The whole idea of getting vote-bombed is a thing, a way of stifling opinions you don't like. |
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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
852
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Posted - 2016.08.23 11:39:19 -
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Dirty Forum Alt wrote:I find it very hard to believe that any *truly* controversial topics are ever discussed there - Hey, there's a subreddit for that:
https://www.reddit.com/r/controversy
Pretty slow though.
Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
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Solecist Project
32337
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Posted - 2016.08.23 11:39:24 -
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Dirty Forum Alt wrote:sero Hita wrote:... there is a well functioning community on R/EVE voting away all the crap that makes me want to be antisocial on these forums ... 2 issues with this... #1: Well Functioning? I've heard Reddit's community called a lot of things...but rarely *that*... #2: Do you not find it dull limiting yourself to a group that all think the same way, and simply vote away any discussions that don't match their own general views? I find it very hard to believe that any *truly* controversial topics are ever discussed there - since by the very definition anything the people in your community view as "controversial" will be down-voted out of existence before meaningful conversation can take place... Sometimes there is value in seeing opposing viewpoints, and even in having a pointless argument just to better understand the mind-set of the other side. You point out an interesting phenomenon that connects to consumerism, media and politics. Plus a individuality-paradoxon no one ever considers.
Or as Sibyyl called it: mindshare, also called groupthink.
Part of the higher meta "divide and conquer" department.
"That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds." -- Tippia
Typos. the curse of mobility.
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Solecist Project
32337
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Posted - 2016.08.23 11:40:52 -
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Shae Tadaruwa wrote:Dirty Forum Alt wrote:I find it very hard to believe that any *truly* controversial topics are ever discussed there - Hey, there's a subreddit for that: https://www.reddit.com/r/controversy Pretty slow though. I don't dare clicking it ... i might like it... :D
"That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds." -- Tippia
Typos. the curse of mobility.
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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
852
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Posted - 2016.08.23 11:47:47 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Shae Tadaruwa wrote:Dirty Forum Alt wrote:I find it very hard to believe that any *truly* controversial topics are ever discussed there - Hey, there's a subreddit for that: https://www.reddit.com/r/controversy Pretty slow though. I don't dare clicking it ... i might like it... :D It's quite funny. It has such 'controversial' topics such as:
- What if the Bible was written by schizophrenics? - Straight actors playing Gay - should they or should they not? - Jabardasth fame Chalaki chanti responds on Prabas fans issue (whatever the **** that means)
DFA might have a point (although I do know of some subreddits that would be controversial to post here)
Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
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Dibz
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
115
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Posted - 2016.08.23 11:48:18 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Dibz wrote:Ironically enough, the forum rules prevent me from saying why the forums are worse than reddit. Neat little clause that, at least from the ISD's point of view It's funny how this doesn't match. You say the forums are worse than reddit ... ... and you also say CAS is full of immature males who behave "cliquey". And that is pretty much a perfect description of /r/eve.
What's funny is how you took two unrelated statements, put them together, and presented them as a contradiction in terms even though they're not. |
sero Hita
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
198
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Posted - 2016.08.23 12:17:18 -
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Dirty Forum Alt wrote: #1: Well Functioning? I've heard Reddit's community called a lot of things...but rarely *that*....
what you have heard or not is hardly relevant in this aspect it is? There is the slight possibility you have not talked everyone in the world, and hence could be biased due to who you hang out with
Dirty Forum Alt wrote: #2: Do you not find it dull limiting yourself to a group that all think the same way, and simply vote away any discussions that don't match their own general views?
I have not experienced this myself, so I do not know if I accept the premise. I think you can post most opinions, if you present them well and supported in a proper tone without being offensive.
Dirty Forum Alt wrote: I find it very hard to believe that any *truly* controversial topics are ever discussed there - since by the very definition anything the people in your community view as "controversial" will be down-voted out of existence before meaningful conversation can take place...
It is your opinion that you are entitled to, but except that you can hardly believe it, do you have anything to support it? I have even seen that some of the goons have come back R/EVE and are not being downvoted, when they post something entertaining, even when it is propaganda. Plus how many controversial threads do you see here on these forums who are not closed for redundancy?
Dirty Forum Alt wrote: Sometimes there is value in seeing opposing viewpoints, and even in having a pointless argument just to better understand the mind-set of the other side.
Sure there is, and if we were discussing RL I would agree. However we are not. I get enough stimulating discussions in my RL, where I also like to hear other peoples opinions as having as much information as possible can be crucial to make the right choice. This however is a game, and the problems in this game is simple not important enough for me that I need to hear every controverssial opinion out there. I would much rather just enjoy my time without negativity, untill I go to work again and have to deal with real important stuff. But when it is the same thread for the 229th time about afk cloaking, mining or whatever without bringing anything new, I have no problem that it is being downvoted to hell.
"I'm all for pvp, don't get me wrong. I've ganked in Empire, blobed in low sec. Got T-shirts from every which-where.. But to be forced into a pvp confrontation that I didn't want is wrong ccp." RealFlisker
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Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore
14462
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Posted - 2016.08.23 12:49:04 -
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It's kind of funny to see the same kind of turned up nose snobbery forumites have towards reddit (an obviously more successful place)as we saw with EVE (a niche game) vs WoW (as much as I dislike WoW, it is WAY more successful). Yea, I'm guilty of it too. But I grew up.
I used to be defensive about these forums like the "forum partisans' here, so I understand how they feel. Years ago it was other forums like scrapheap and I got into bitter arguments about why *the forum I prefer* was obviously superior. I mean, it had to be right? It was the one *I* preferred...
Years later I see what everyone was talking about. I see why Developers would rather talk on other media than here. This is not a nice place. No it has nothing to do with "everyone thinking the same thing" and downvoting and what not, MUCH harsher things are said about the developers (to their faces so to speak) on Reddit and Twitter and whatever. I see daily calls for Fozzie to be fired and tried for treason everyday on Reddit lol. No, it has nothing to do with reddit, this place can just be awful sometimes. I was knee deep in it up till last year, now I just use the ignore function and forget that the truly bad people exist...until someone quotes them...grrr.
And plenty of us talk with people we don't get along with and don't get downvoted into oblivion, that's just one of those myths non-reddit folk like to hang on to, i'ts the new version of "TenBux" (old school forumites know what I mean).
The plain fact is that in many aspects (sometimes including it's regular posters, and it's regular topics like ganking), these forums suck and lots of people are discovering that Reddit is a better experience overall. Hell, as I type this I am having to remind myself to select all and copy just in case I end up at the "we got ganked" page, whereas on reddit I haven't had any such glitches. Some of the suckage is unavoidable (it's an official forum for a game developer so there have to be rules). But the rest of it ..... |
Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
610
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Posted - 2016.08.23 12:59:08 -
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@ sero - The primary difference I see in reddit is that 90% or more of the topics are just memes/brief funny blurbs that add nothing to any kind of discussion. I'm not saying they aren't amusing, or fun to click... but they are banned from the EVE forums because they don't really add anything beyond filler to bring people in. Serious discussions do pop up occasionally - but the vast majority of them are immediately downvoted, as people on reddit are much more interested in funny/amusing posts than...anything else, really.
You said it yourself - to bring up *any* topic without it being downvoted, you have to make it "entertaining".
There is nothing wrong with entertaining - but it isn't the tone CCP has chosen for their own forums...That doesn't make the EVE forums "bad" - it just makes them *less entertaining* and *more serious*. And there *is* a difference.
@ Jenn - To be fair it is in response to turned-up-nose snobbery from the reddit forums, rather than spontaneous - in this case at least.
Also I did quite enjoy the scrapheap forums - particularly the battle reports that used to be posted chronicling PvP encounters in certain regions of EVE. Sadly to my knowledge there is nowhere to go for that anymore... Maybe some blogs, but those only track 1 individual, not a region... |
Roenok Baalnorn
Sadistically Sinister
300
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Posted - 2016.08.23 13:16:14 -
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sero Hita wrote:Roenok Baalnorn wrote:The forums are for intelligent conversation. Each to his own of what is defined as intelligent conversation. I find though that these forums are full of circular discussions with people just repeating the same things over and over, moving no where. As the posts stay here for a long time, the threads keep getting necroed by people discussing something offtopic in far too much detail leading to unfruitful discussion leaving the involved parts more bitter than when they started IMO. Go through many of the threads here, check out the dates, check how much discussion is on topic and tell me that is not the case (you can also check out the posting history of the notorious Lucas Kell for great examples). This for me is not intelligent discussion. on R EVE these posts will be out of sight pretty fast and people will not linger in unproductive discussion. That is the big differene for me.
If you call smack talking, trolling, and BS such as but not limited to:
* "My carrier was fit with the following..." ( followed by LOLing at a fit) * " Alliance X is so bad..." ( followed by LOLing at an alliance) *" Blah Blah Titan down..." ( followed by chest beating and smack talking) *"Alliance x blues alliance Y blobs alliance A" ( followed by blobbing comments, smack, and chest beating)
Im not saying any of this is bad. I get a lot of my actual in game news from reddit. Its like reading a newspaper meshed with a tabloid. But the productive discussions in reddit are very limited and troll posting is only moderated by the users themselves. Also in reddit if people do not agree with you, one of the herd, you get downvoted to oblivion. So only the popular side of any story is really shown while the controversial side is quickly hushed.
The forums on the other, allow players to ask questions and discuss the actual game mechanics and game play. Politics are non existent in most sub forums. Troll posting is usually removed fairly quickly. Also these forums are much more liberal in general than game forums for most games. You are allowed to criticize the game constructively, in forums for other games, the mods just delete the threads and posts. Here they are locked and a mod will quote the reason it was locked. Other games its just deleted( and in some you get autobanned for anything from an hour to a week on the forums if your thread gets deleted)
That said, ive been a player of eve for nearly a decade, and the forums are more heavily moderated now than they were when i started playing. Trolls have got entire threads locked when the OP was something constructive. And unless the game mechanic or feature was introduced in the last year, you always have a chance of getting a thread locked. I mean we been discussing the game for 10 years, every topic has been covered with a fine tooth comb.
Is this forum over moderated? Yes a little bit. Mostly in terms of locking duplicate threads. The cloaky camping thread is a prime example. If i want to discuss cloaky camping i have to do it in that thread or risk my thread being locked. The thread is nearly 200 pages long the last time i looked. No productive discussions take place in that thread because its so long. Any post can be made to any one of the hundreds of suggestions or thoughts on it. You lose all context of what someone is posting even if they quote and posting something new your not going to read all those post anyway.
Some redundant threads that get locked like " How long does my ticket take", rants, troll threads, etc should be locked right away. But the duplicate thread and spam reasons should be used a bit less than they are. Players want to discuss a topic freshly ever so often without rehashing some thread from a couple a of months of ago.
Most of the people that complain about this forums moderation simply want to trash post unmoderated. They arent allowed so they went elsewhere. I have never had a thread locked nor a post banned( and i hope this isnt my first) and i dont find it so restrictive that its not worth posting here, nor do i have a hard time avoiding my threads and post being locked/ deleted. Some people are just crap at following rules even when the ISDs tell them which rules they are violating and an explanation of that rule is given.
Reddit is for discussing players and their actions, forums are for discussing the actual game and CCP's actions. Its like the fiction and non fiction at the library. You dont browse the dime novels( Reddit) if you are looking to learn about "M Theory"( Forums) |
sero Hita
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.08.23 14:11:40 -
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Dirty Forum Alt wrote: There is nothing wrong with entertaining - but it isn't the tone CCP has chosen for their own forums...That doesn't make the EVE forums "bad" - it just makes them *less entertaining* and *more serious*. And there *is* a difference.
Yes I know, what makes these forums bad as I already posted is that in order to get to the interesting bits on these forums you often have to read your way through 80% bile and Repetitions of 200 page threadnaughts. There is no way to highlight the constructive posts here. They are buried in all the other stuff
"I'm all for pvp, don't get me wrong. I've ganked in Empire, blobed in low sec. Got T-shirts from every which-where.. But to be forced into a pvp confrontation that I didn't want is wrong ccp." RealFlisker
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