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Lanny Barbie
New Eden Trade Group
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Posted - 2016.08.22 20:41:00 -
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Zoltan Lazar
265
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Posted - 2016.08.22 21:08:31 -
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Passive tank or buffer tank?
And why? Typically if a transport ship gets caught it's dead, EHP doesn't really matter.
And cloak tank is best tank. |
Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
1001
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Posted - 2016.08.22 21:31:46 -
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I've heard the Bustard can get a nasty tank. Don't know if that's still the case, though I don't doubt it. Friend of mine from a few years back use to bait tank in missions (before the AI was altered) with a Bustard and a gank fit Kronos.
"Tomahawks?"
"----in' A, right?"
"Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each."
"----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."
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Soel Reit
Dambusters 617 Sq
84
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Posted - 2016.08.22 21:46:50 -
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impel - for armor bustard - for shield
good luck |
Paranoid Loyd
9471
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Posted - 2016.08.22 22:11:13 -
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Soel Reit wrote: bustard - for shield
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6572953#post6572953
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Valkin Mordirc
2422
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Posted - 2016.08.22 22:28:42 -
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[Bustard, Troll Bustard fit]
Caldari Navy Shield Power Relay Caldari Navy Shield Power Relay Caldari Navy Shield Power Relay
Gistum A-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field Gistum A-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field Republic Fleet Shield Recharger Republic Fleet Shield Recharger Republic Fleet Shield Recharger Republic Fleet Shield Recharger
[Empty High slot] [Empty High slot]
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II Medium Core Defense Field Purger II
I have no idea to passive tank but for a mere 1.65bisk you can tank 1450 dps passively.
#DeleteTheWeak
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Scotsman Howard
S0utherN Comfort Test Alliance Please Ignore
151
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Posted - 2016.08.25 19:43:35 -
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Valkin Mordirc wrote: [Bustard, Troll Bustard fit]
Caldari Navy Shield Power Relay Caldari Navy Shield Power Relay Caldari Navy Shield Power Relay
Gistum A-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field Gistum A-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field Republic Fleet Shield Recharger Republic Fleet Shield Recharger Republic Fleet Shield Recharger Republic Fleet Shield Recharger
[Empty High slot] [Empty High slot]
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II Medium Core Defense Field Purger II
I have no idea to passive tank but for a mere 1.65bisk you can tank 1450 dps passively.
Not at home to fit this, but drop one or two of the mids shield rechargers for extenders I bet would give you more. |
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
2679
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Posted - 2016.08.25 20:31:22 -
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Scotsman Howard wrote:Not at home to fit this, but drop one or two of the mids shield rechargers for extenders I bet would give you more.
Also, the rigs need to be two purgers and the invulns pithum not gistum. Like so:
[Bustard, Troll Bustard fit even better] Caldari Navy Shield Power Relay Caldari Navy Shield Power Relay Caldari Navy Shield Power Relay
Pithum A-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field Pithum A-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field Caldari Navy Large Shield Extender Caldari Navy Large Shield Extender Pith X-Type EM Ward Field Republic Fleet Shield Recharger
[empty high slot] [empty high slot]
Medium Core Defense Field Purger II Medium Core Defense Field Purger II
4857 overheated. Cap lasts 32 minutes. 362k EHP overheated. 1811/143k with no overheat.
Full passive would look like this:
[Bustard, Troll Bustard fit fully passive] Caldari Navy Shield Power Relay Caldari Navy Shield Power Relay Caldari Navy Shield Power Relay
Pithum A-Type EM Ward Amplifier Pithum A-Type EM Ward Amplifier Caldari Navy Large Shield Extender Caldari Navy Large Shield Extender Pithum A-Type Explosive Deflection Amplifier Pithum A-Type Kinetic Deflection Amplifier
[empty high slot] [empty high slot]
Medium Core Defense Field Purger II Medium Core Defense Field Purger II
929 forever. 93k EHP. |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Escalating Entropy
10554
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Posted - 2016.08.25 20:32:16 -
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With all skills set to max in EFT, I got this:
[Impel, AFK Buffer Tank] Damage Control II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Thermal Membrane II 1600mm Rolled Tungsten Compact Plates Reactor Control Unit II Reactor Control Unit II
[empty med slot] [empty med slot]
[empty high slot] [empty high slot]
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
- 170,000 effective hitpoints - Armor Resistances are: 80% EM / 84% Thermal / 85% Kinetic / 92% Explosive - Aligns in about 20 seconds. - max speed is about 128 m/sec
You will not get anywhere fast... but it will take a minimum of 30 suicide ganking destroyers to kill this thing. This puts you out of reach for most ganking groups. Only those who specialize in ganking Freighters will be a threat to you.
How did you Veterans start?
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elitatwo
Eve Minions O.U.Z.O. Alliance
1383
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Posted - 2016.08.26 06:05:40 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:...Shah's tanky impel fit....
And if you would use a-type eanms and a faction plate?
Dammit Zhilia, you beat me to it.
Valkin dear, it's always the pith for active tanks with the higher resist. The gist ones are the capacitor friendly ones.
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Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
2679
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Posted - 2016.08.26 20:53:08 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:With all skills set to max in EFT, I got this:
[Impel, AFK Buffer Tank] Damage Control II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Thermal Membrane II 1600mm Rolled Tungsten Compact Plates Reactor Control Unit II Reactor Control Unit II
[empty med slot] [empty med slot]
[empty high slot] [empty high slot]
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
- 170,000 effective hitpoints - Armor Resistances are: 80% EM / 84% Thermal / 85% Kinetic / 92% Explosive - Aligns in about 20 seconds. - max speed is about 128 m/sec
You will not get anywhere fast... but it will take a minimum of 30 suicide ganking destroyers to kill this thing. This puts you out of reach for most ganking groups. Only those who specialize in ganking Freighters will be a threat to you.
Did you put slaves on that thing? I'm only seeing 113k EHP.
If you take the same thing and spend out your ass you get:
[Impel, AFK Buffer Tank more spendy than cargo] Syndicate Damage Control Corpum A-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Corpum A-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Corpum A-Type Energized Thermal Membrane Syndicate 1600mm Steel Plates Reactor Control Unit II Power Diagnostic System II
[empty med slot] [empty med slot]
[empty high slot] [empty high slot]
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
177k EHP before slaves, which you'd better have if that's your fit. 260k with high grades.
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Reinhardt Kreiss
9
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Posted - 2016.08.27 07:42:43 -
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"Passive" doesn't mix well with active hardeners and while I'm sure the above fits are funky and hilarious, they're not exactly realistic or relevant.
Here's a realistic fit for a passive/afk Transport, the Bustard is better than the Impel in regards to dealing with kin/therm (for obvious reasons) which are the most widely used damage types amongst gankers. In overall resists and EHP the Impel is better but realistically kin/therm seems to be what matters most.
A complete, cheap and cheerful, fit with MWD & cloak. One that makes sense.
[Bustard, Tanked] Damage Control II Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II
50MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive Large Shield Extender II Medium F-S9 Regolith Compact Shield Extender EM Ward Amplifier II Thermal Dissipation Amplifier II Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II
Core Probe Launcher I, Core Scanner Probe I Improved Cloaking Device II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I |
Zan Shiro
Alternative Enterprises
811
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Posted - 2016.08.29 21:55:22 -
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Agility rigs and mods...go for the BR's. An alternate goal is to be clear off the gate to not even take fire in the first place. Faster align times makes that happen Cloak as a backup to that.
Crane (hauler alt trained caldari for Charon and stayed in family since a shake and bake train) run like this what I used for low sec runs as well as empire now. Crane not even the best stats for this (not a lot of lows for agility mods) but no issues even in low sec. Made quite a few runs dropping off stuff when cap friends could hook me up jumping stuff to 0.0 for me. Catch was I had to get it to their low sec pickup point.
Caveat...you lose cargo space. Judgement call as to whether more m3 is worth it that may die...or less M3 that starts to get down to more instalock like levels to not even be tackled/attacked and gets you to where you are going.
case of shield BR's (crane) run t2 passive resists for at least the resist hole. Cover you ass move, such as it is anyway, if smarties in play. |
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
2680
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Posted - 2016.08.29 22:40:10 -
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Zan Shiro wrote:Agility rigs and mods...go for the BR's. An alternate goal is to be clear off the gate to not even take fire in the first place. Faster align times makes that happen Cloak as a backup to that.
Crane (hauler alt trained caldari for Charon and stayed in family since a shake and bake train) run like this what I used for low sec runs as well as empire now. Crane not even the best stats for this (not a lot of lows for agility mods) but no issues even in low sec. Made quite a few runs dropping off stuff when cap friends could hook me up jumping stuff to 0.0 for me. Catch was I had to get it to their low sec pickup point.
Caveat...you lose cargo space. Judgement call as to whether more m3 is worth it that may die...or less M3 that starts to get down to more instalock like levels to not even be tackled/attacked and gets you to where you are going.
case of shield BR's (crane) run t2 passive resists for at least the resist hole. Cover you ass move, such as it is anyway, if smarties in play.
Yeah, I tend to agree. I have two characters trained into Gallente transports and one into Amarr. I really like Viators, but I also spend a bit of time in an Impel for larger hauls. Occators never really got me and Prorators don't seem as versatile as Viators. |
Valkin Mordirc
2455
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Posted - 2016.08.29 23:50:34 -
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elitatwo wrote:ShahFluffers wrote:...Shah's tanky impel fit.... Valkin dear, it's always the pith for active tanks with the higher resist. The gist ones are the capacitor friendly ones.
Yeah I know, just sometimes I forget and just randomly throw **** together.
The fit was just a bloop *PASSIVE TANK* Sorta post with absolutely no intention of ever it being a real fit.
Plus side I've learned how to actually passive tank. =P
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elitatwo
Eve Minions O.U.Z.O. Alliance
1386
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Posted - 2016.08.30 00:55:06 -
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We will teach you everything you need and want to know.
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Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
916
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Posted - 2016.08.30 00:59:43 -
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Zan Shiro wrote:case of shield BR's (crane) run t2 passive resists for at least the resist hole....
A Blockade Runner's tank is its CovOps Cloak.
If you're getting shot at in a BR, you're probably dead.
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Escalating Entropy
10593
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Posted - 2016.08.30 01:20:31 -
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Zhilia Mann wrote:Did you put slaves on that thing? I'm only seeing 113k EHP. Mother******!!!!
How the hell did those things get on that fit? It was a new template too!
How did you Veterans start?
The Mustache and Beard Thread
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Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
2680
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Posted - 2016.08.30 01:32:45 -
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Mephiztopheleze wrote:Zan Shiro wrote:case of shield BR's (crane) run t2 passive resists for at least the resist hole.... A Blockade Runner's tank is its CovOps Cloak. If you're getting shot at in a BR, you're probably dead.
It's not about getting shot. I token tank any BR I'm taking into low (which for means tends to mean Aridia) in case of smartbombs. It's not much but it gives a slight bit of buffer. |
Varcutii Renalard
56
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Posted - 2016.08.30 23:49:32 -
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Can you still get a Bustard to explode if you so much as look at it the wrong way in WH / J-Space? |
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