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Solecist Project
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Posted - 2016.08.23 22:21:36 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Solecist Project wrote:
Please tell Ralph I said Hi when you see him! :D
*(this just HAS to be a word lol)
Ralph's gpu drivers are ****ed at the moment so no house calls for now, not that he's worth it. "Abled" is the word you are looking for Low abled? That sounds even worse! :D
Are you using an ati?
That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
8 Golden Rules of EVE
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
17645
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Posted - 2016.08.23 22:27:56 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Solecist Project wrote:
Please tell Ralph I said Hi when you see him! :D
*(this just HAS to be a word lol)
Ralph's gpu drivers are ****ed at the moment so no house calls for now, not that he's worth it. "Abled" is the word you are looking for Low abled? That sounds even worse! :D Are you using an ati? Disabled Or Of low ability
Much like my AMD card right now, working grand most of the time but there's something about my home station (where Ralph is) making it squirrelly. Have an open bug report on it.
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Solecist Project
32365
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Posted - 2016.08.23 22:39:26 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote: Disabled Or Of low ability
Much like my AMD card right now, working grand most of the time but there's something about my home station (where Ralph is) making it squirrelly. Have an open bug report on it.
so a low abilitied person, no? This really should be a thing! It would make the english language so much easier to comprehend, especially for children!
I wish you luck on the bug report! Maybe check if omega drivers exist nowadays, they might have that sorted out! :D
That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
8 Golden Rules of EVE
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Chopper Rollins
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1510
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Posted - 2016.08.24 00:08:23 -
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Grindyll Jackdaw wrote:1)I don't know what to do... 2) ...do some google searching for a few hours for a "kind of" answer... 3)So I joined the militia. Great. Nothing is explained in the UI. Am I heading into an area of 50 million isk ships? Or is it the basic frigates? I don't know because nothing is explained. Ever. 4)At this point I'm about to say **** it. It's not worth the frustration.
1) Most people don't know what to do, in games or life. If you have any direction, keep it secret, since wrecking what you're trying to do is what instinctively replaces direction for directionless people. The zombie apocalypse is permanent and everywhere. 2) I regularly help people out with a few seconds searching Google for them. You need to search for hours? Nah. 3) Actually a common thing that people do looking for rails and fences. 4) You are not being frustrated, just defeated by the shapelessness of FreedomGäó, terrible, terrible FreedomGäó.
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
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Soel Reit
Dambusters 617 Sq
99
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Posted - 2016.08.24 00:14:39 -
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Chopper Rollins wrote: You are not being frustrated, just defeated by the shapelessness of FreedomGäó, terrible, terrible FreedomGäó.
ehi dude, this one is awesome it's yours?
if not you have to pay the copyrights |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
17662
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Posted - 2016.08.24 00:23:22 -
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Soel Reit wrote:Chopper Rollins wrote: You are not being frustrated, just defeated by the shapelessness of FreedomGäó, terrible, terrible FreedomGäó.
ehi dude, this one is awesome it's yours? if not you have to pay the copyrights Yeah I'm stealing that one too.
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Discordia Duenna
Control-Space DARKNESS.
81
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Posted - 2016.08.24 00:24:45 -
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Grindyll Jackdaw wrote:I don't know what to do. This game answers no questions within the game itself. It does a **** poor job of explaining anything other than "I hope you figure it out". When you don't you're stuck with articles written back in 2007 with no idea if its content has remained viable.
Nothing is explained from the start. You have to ask everyone or do some google searching for a few hours for a "kind of" answer. If there was actually some kind of effort to graduate the learning curve it would be nice.
So I joined the militia. Great. Nothing is explained in the UI. Am I heading into an area of 50 million isk ships? Or is it the basic frigates? I don't know because nothing is explained. Ever.
If the developers of this game consider this game complex, I'd go to say that it's just convoluted in the attempt at complexity.
Ok, now that you know what you MAYBE want to do, you get **** blocked by the wall of boring chores you have to do before having any attempt at fun.
At this point I'm about to say **** it. It's not worth the frustration.
"This book is not for you" - Book store keeper, The Neverending Story. |
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
868
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Posted - 2016.08.24 00:47:32 -
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Further to my previous post OP, stick with it.
Eve is a game where you can check in, but never leave.
If you quit in frustration now, it's going to eat in the back of your mind, even subconsciously, that you can't let it beat you.
In 1, 2, 3 or more years you'll be back; and then you'll be cursing not having all those years training under your belt already.
(more in jest than anything....kind of)
Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
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Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
7788
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Posted - 2016.08.24 01:03:51 -
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Grindyll Jackdaw wrote:I hate figuring things out for myself, and that's somehow everyone else's fault.
Literally what you sound like to me. There is a lot of information in this game that the helps people learn how to play it, and a lot more today than what I had, or others before me had. But here we are. We figured it out, and guess what, we're still figuring. If you're expecting the devs to provide step-by-step instructions on how to tie your shoelaces, then EVE is not for you.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
4630
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Posted - 2016.08.24 01:04:15 -
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OP, FW is not a good place to start. I've been in and out of Min militia for a few years, and it's not a group. It's a revolving door of individuals who happen to sort of be doing the same thing. Actually they're kind of in competition with each other (get all of the LP from hanging on a timer solo, and not dividing it with another button humper). You'll get little or no help from FW guys-- at least Min FW guys. It's not a group of friends, it's mostly a collection of random strangers. It used to be different, but that's the current state, IMO.
If you want to skip PVE and go straight to PVP, RVB is good. People will try] to help you out. They may not be experienced or pro, so it might be more like hanging out in a newbro discussions roundtable. But you'll get introduced to a lot of stuff quick, by ambitious guys who have a kind of a sportsman/athlete attitude.
(I was less ambitious as a new guy myself, I learned ships, mods, game mech, etc. through PVE first. Had a great time doing it too, and it wasn't a given. The Epic Arcs missions can put a boot on your arse. Was good stuff though. Learned to how to use long range vs. short range DPS, using drones, when it's time to bug out, etc. Fun as hell really, might do it again).
Start the bubble machine!
-Lawrence Welk
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Winter Archipelago
Autumn Industrial Enterprises
567
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Posted - 2016.08.24 01:30:22 -
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Grindyll Jackdaw wrote: Convolution =/= Complexity
Developers have the capacity to explain things. Instead they choose not to. I wonder what retention rates are for this game. Its ******* annoying to deal with that.
EVE isn't exactly a simple game. There's a lot going on in a lot of different ways. It isn't really feasible for one group (even the developers) to have guides on every last little thing. The changes and updates that are necessary to keep it up-to-date are simply too many. EVE University have a wiki that does a good general overview of the game (wiki.eveuniversity.org). Other groups have information oriented towards other parts of the game. Blogs and Vlogs are plentiful, and information on which are valuable to your own preferences are as easy to find as posting to the New Player Question & Answer board asking (politely) which places have good info on x profession.
You mention earlier about having to ask other players, but the way you mention it, it sounds as if you're saying that's a bad thing. It isn't. Don't look at EVE as a normal MMO, because it isn't. It's social more than anything else, to the point where I feel it quite safe to call it a social hobby more than a social game. Ask (politely) questions in corp and militia chat. If you feel you aren't getting decent responses, ask (politely) in the many, many help channels that exist (you can find them in the channel list by clicking the little "talky bubble" at the top of any chat window). If channels such as E-UNI and the English (or your preferred language) Help chat aren't able to help you, ask (politely) in the NPQ&A board. If you can't get help there, ask (politely) on Reddit at /r/eve and /r/evenewbies. If even that manages to yield no viable answers, make a support ticket that (politely) asks your question, explaining that you've asked everywhere else but have not received satisfactory information.
The two key things to take away are (1) to ask questions, and (2) to be polite about it. This thread is miraculously tame considering you're in General Discussion and came out swinging and whining. Normally, someone who approaches other EVE players with an attitude will usually get an attitude returned many times worse. Conversely, a polite approach will usually receive a polite and helpful reply.
Calm down, state (politely) what it is you're trying to do (I strongly advise making a new thread in the New Player Question & Answer board to do this) and you'll receive ample information.
Khergit Deserters wrote:OP, FW is not a good place to start. I've been in and out of Min militia for a few years, and it's not a group. It's a revolving door of individuals who happen to sort of be doing the same thing. Actually they're kind of in competition with each other (get all of the LP from hanging on a timer solo, and not dividing it with another button humper). You'll get little or no help from FW guys-- at least Min FW guys. It's not a group of friends, it's mostly a collection of random strangers. It used to be different, but that's the current state, IMO. Khergit is very, very accurate in his description of MinMil. Grindyll, if you want to do FW, I would advise looking into joining the Gallente Militia. They're much more organized and group-oriented (though they have their moments...) and, since they're allied with MinMil, your actions in MinMil won't have had a negative effect on your standings with them.
Planning a trip to Thera? Check out http://eve-scout.com/ for a list of the current connections.
Once you've made your choice, join the EvE-Scout channel and request a scout to make sure your connection is clear!
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Chopper Rollins
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1514
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Posted - 2016.08.24 01:34:30 -
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Soel Reit wrote:Chopper Rollins wrote: You are not being frustrated, just defeated by the shapelessness of FreedomGäó, terrible, terrible FreedomGäó.
ehi dude, this one is awesome it's yours? if not you have to pay the copyrights
https://youtu.be/8j0WNUayx3U?t=58
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
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Caleb Seremshur
Black Scorpions Inc Infensus
839
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Posted - 2016.08.24 04:21:16 -
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Is this thread an example of why new players should default to the newb subforum?
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March rabbit
Mosquito Squadron The-Culture
1875
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Posted - 2016.08.24 04:42:41 -
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Grindyll Jackdaw wrote:I don't know what to do. This game answers no questions within the game itself. It does a **** poor job of explaining anything other than "I hope you figure it out". I cannot speak for you but where i live RL has no manuals too. You leave the house? Good. Where you should go? Only you can answer. Why? It's up to up again.
Eve is real
The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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Kaybella Hakaari
State War Academy Caldari State
29
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Posted - 2016.08.24 06:04:42 -
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Plan: Make a newbie alt, make one of these posts on here or Reddit, wait a couple of hours for people to notice it and who posted it.
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Shang Tung
The Black Hand Nerfed Alliance Go Away
2
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Posted - 2016.08.29 19:33:10 -
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Grindyll Jackdaw wrote:I don't know what to do. This game answers no questions within the game itself. It does a **** poor job of explaining anything other than "I hope you figure it out". When you don't you're stuck with articles written back in 2007 with no idea if its content has remained viable.
Nothing is explained from the start. You have to ask everyone or do some google searching for a few hours for a "kind of" answer. If there was actually some kind of effort to graduate the learning curve it would be nice.
So I joined the militia. Great. Nothing is explained in the UI. Am I heading into an area of 50 million isk ships? Or is it the basic frigates? I don't know because nothing is explained. Ever.
If the developers of this game consider this game complex, I'd go to say that it's just convoluted in the attempt at complexity.
Ok, now that you know what you MAYBE want to do, you get **** blocked by the wall of boring chores you have to do before having any attempt at fun.
At this point I'm about to say **** it. It's not worth the frustration.
You remind me of my friend who tried EVE and had a similar breakdown. He then bashed the for being crap and uninteresting for an hour. He then went back to playing WoW.
EVE does not cater to all audiences, understandably so being the complex and unforgiving sandbox game it is. By complex I don't only mean the UI and bazillion of menus you have to play around with, but that it actually requires a person to be social and creative to progress and enjoy it
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Elenahina
agony unleashed Agony Empire
1069
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Posted - 2016.08.29 19:48:52 -
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eveyn wrote:Grindyll Jackdaw wrote:So the developers are too lacking to develop any kind of intuitive learning curve for the game? Thank you for pointing that out. Intuitive Learning Curve: oooh cool. that ship looks badass! I wonder how much it will cost to fl... holy hell, it's THAT much?! How will I ever earn enou...wait. the tutorials showed me how to mine, rat, mission, and there's this annoying blinking thing on my screen tha... WOAH! a chat group? HAIGUYZ!! u wot m8?? Join your corp? Iderno =\ I don't know muc.... you'll show me the ropes?!111!? thereRropes?!!?or. cool ship. what do you mean "I don't have the prerequisite skills to fly this ship"? *looksit skills* ooh, I see. So to fly this muther-doo-hickey, I need X, Y, and Z skills. What about gun...oh. nm. I see it now.Looks like a game plan to me! Well. Not to you I suppose. I was speaking in the universal sense. Also: not for nothin', but I kinda think this was bait. +/-1 to the OP if so? iderno.
iderno is now my new favorite word.
Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you.
Also, iderno
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Elenahina
agony unleashed Agony Empire
1069
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Posted - 2016.08.29 19:51:31 -
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Winter Archipelago wrote: EVE isn't exactly a simple game.
That's like saying the ocean is a bit damp or space may be somewhat chilly.
Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you.
Also, iderno
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Jacques d'Orleans
2830
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Posted - 2016.08.29 20:07:03 -
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Grindyll Jackdaw wrote: At this point I'm about to say **** it. It's not worth the frustration.
Did you seriously just stamp your foot? I thought only girls did that on TV. Anyways, when you want to learn the ropes maybe EvE-University would be a good start for a young Padawan like you.
Let me say it this way.
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May Arethusa
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
200
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Posted - 2016.08.29 20:34:12 -
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Quote:So I joined the militia. Great. Nothing is explained in the UI. Am I heading into an area of 50 million isk ships? Or is it the basic frigates? I don't know because nothing is explained. Ever.
Actually the rules are laid out very clearly on the FW page in-game. You would have noticed those if you'd given it even a cursory glance. Beyond those rules, everything else you want to know is determined by players and any structured tutorial beyond basic plex mechanics is out-dated almost instantly.
In order to get anywhere in EVE, you'll need friends. If you're falling at the first hurdle by expecting the game to tell you everything, you won't be around for long. There are myriad avenues open for you to get the information you desire, most of them are far more valuable than the ancient guides you're looking at.
The NPE is terrible, it always has been, it probably always will be. The issue has always been it explains how to perform simple tasks like mining, probing, ratting, etc; but fails to progress beyond that. In spite of endlessly stating that even "negative" interactions with other players drastically increases retention rates, CCP has never incorporated methods of subtly forcing these interactions upon new players via the tutorial, either because they expect it to happen naturally given enough time or because they're simply blind to their own statistics. Sure, it's been streamlined and beautified with each iteration, but it still doesn't come close to helping a new player intergrate with the existing community. |
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Esrevid Nekkeg
Justified and Ancient
2175
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Posted - 2016.08.29 20:44:57 -
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Elenahina wrote:Winter Archipelago wrote: EVE isn't exactly a simple game.
That's like saying the ocean is a bit damp or space may be somewhat chilly. He might be British. They are known for their slight understatements.
Here I used to have a sig of our old Camper in space. Now it is disregarded as being the wrong format.
Looking out the window I see one thing: Nothing wrong with the format of our Camper! Silly CCP......
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aldhura
The Locker Room
94
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Posted - 2016.08.29 20:57:22 -
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The best thing any new player, or player embarking on a new adventure can do.. is join an appropriate corp. The militia is terrible for any help. Best to go with cheap ships at the start of anything you do. |
Caco De'mon
The Conference Elite CODE.
67
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Posted - 2016.08.29 20:59:47 -
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May Arethusa wrote:In order to get anywhere in EVE, you'll need friends.
Not saying your other info is wrong but that statement above is...a solo capsuleer, as long as that's how they want to play, can be 100% fine by themselves....They need to know how to look and learn on their own of course...
*"See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand."
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Ocean Ormand
Bagel and Lox
22
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Posted - 2016.08.29 21:16:24 -
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Grindyll Jackdaw wrote:I don't know what to do. This game answers no questions within the game itself. It does a **** poor job of explaining anything other than "I hope you figure it out". When you don't you're stuck with articles written back in 2007 with no idea if its content has remained viable.
Nothing is explained from the start. You have to ask everyone or do some google searching for a few hours for a "kind of" answer. If there was actually some kind of effort to graduate the learning curve it would be nice.
So I joined the militia. Great. Nothing is explained in the UI. Am I heading into an area of 50 million isk ships? Or is it the basic frigates? I don't know because nothing is explained. Ever.
If the developers of this game consider this game complex, I'd go to say that it's just convoluted in the attempt at complexity.
Ok, now that you know what you MAYBE want to do, you get **** blocked by the wall of boring chores you have to do before having any attempt at fun.
At this point I'm about to say **** it. It's not worth the frustration.
Just to put it into terms you might understand - in wow there are two type of players - those that when an expansion comes out they want to figure everything out for themselves and those that want to goggle everything and have it spoonfed to them. In eve, we dont really have that type of division. Most of what matters in the game is you learning how to play the game from practical experience. Eve is constantly involving so what happened last year, last month or even yesterday, may not matter tomorrow. Moreover even if someone could right everything down to explain it to you - how best to do something in eve is open to debate - people argue about what is best approach to everything in this game. Eve is a sandbox and thus the journey just as important as what you do when you get there.
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Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
682
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Posted - 2016.08.29 21:29:30 -
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Grindyll Jackdaw wrote:Convolution =/= Complexity
The Dictionary wrote:con-+vo-+lut-+ed -êk+ñnv+Ö-îlo-Pod+Öd/ adjective 1. (especially of an argument, story, or sentence) extremely complex and difficult to follow. Not only is he smarter than CCP - he is re-writing the dictionary as well I see
The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool.
They lay. They rotted. They turned
Around occasionally.
Bits of flesh dropped off them from
Time to time.
And sank into the pool's mire.
They also smelt a great deal.
Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
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Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
682
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Posted - 2016.08.29 21:34:03 -
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Caleb Seremshur wrote:Is this thread an example of why new players should default to the newb subforum? Ralph really *did* warn him...
The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool.
They lay. They rotted. They turned
Around occasionally.
Bits of flesh dropped off them from
Time to time.
And sank into the pool's mire.
They also smelt a great deal.
Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
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Roenok Baalnorn
Sadistically Sinister
312
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Posted - 2016.08.29 22:36:16 -
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Grindyll Jackdaw wrote:So the developers are too lacking to develop any kind of intuitive learning curve for the game? Thank you for pointing that out.
Most things in game dont have a one off answer. Its not a A>B>C>D game. Its a sandbox game. The UI is pretty self explanatory. The buttons are marked as far as i remember if you hover of them. And like everything else on a PC right click brings up a menu.
There is a nifty little chat box on the UI and one of the tabs on that says "ROOKIE HELP" . That would be a great place to start asking questions if your stuck. If for some reason that fails you the forums have a newbie Q&A sub forum. Both of these are moderated to keep the trash out. If that fails a search for pretty much any Eve with bring up both youtube videos and sites with an "eve university" address. Common sense tells one that perhaps we should look into this eve university thing and see what it is about...could it be... could it... be... something very similar to a wiki? I think perhaps it might.
Ultimately Eve requires you to have basic problem solving skills. This would be the same sort of problem solving skills that are required to fit the properly shaped block in the properly shaped hole in toddler toys. This is the level of problem solving you need to "figure out" the basics in eve.
It seems your problem solving skills failed you on many levels and instead of asking us here in the forums " Hey, i cant seem to find the answer im looking for on this, can someone tell me...." You decided instead to have a little rant about your inability to problem solve using simple logic.
Eve is not a game in which your hand is held, Eve is not a game in which you are given a direction. Your story is yours, its not pre written by a dev and then you follow along acting it out while reading lengthy conversations between your character and NPCs .
You decide what you want to do and how you want to do it. You decide your own fate and your own story. You learn to use logic and problem solving and to use the resources available to you in and out of the game to be successful.
Im sorry Eve is to hard for you to learn. Good luck on your next game. |
Solecist Project
32655
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Posted - 2016.08.29 22:38:26 -
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*ahem*
IT'S A TROLL!
*bows*
That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
8 Golden Rules of EVE
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Toobo
Project Fruit House Solyaris Chtonium
97
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Posted - 2016.08.30 00:06:05 -
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Troll or not, EVE requires certain traits to enjoy I think - mainly, traits associated with 'geeks'.
When I started, there was just so much stuff to read & digest. And I loved it. I loved checking out all the modules, Show Info and comparing the stats & etc. I spent a lot of time just browsing the market and reading Item Descriptions and attributes, all the while thinking 'this is so cool!'.
I experimented a lot and lost a lot. Some told me to 'experiment on SiSi', but I never found appeal of experimenting on SiSI (at least when it comes to PVP fits and such). I always enjoyed theorycrafting & putting something together, and commit real ISK and assets to the 'experiment' on Tranquility.
No intuitive learning curve? I like that. And many 'geeks' like me probably like that too. If you give a complete walk-through to a geek and ask him to read it from cover to cover, he probably won't enjoy it too much. You give a big mess of tangled stuff to a geek, and say 'hey here you go. See what you can do with this', then it could be hours (or even years...) of fun. :)
Toobo is a lucky talisman. Try Toobo's lucky referral link at the awesome iwantisk website and have a great time
http://www.iwantisk.com/?ref=1216023697
Remeber - you win by luck and lose by luck. Don't go crazy. ;)
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Conrad Makbure
Trident Expedition
100
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Posted - 2016.08.30 01:06:41 -
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Grindyll Jackdaw wrote:I don't know what to do. This game answers no questions within the game itself. It does a **** poor job of explaining anything other than "I hope you figure it out". When you don't you're stuck with articles written back in 2007 with no idea if its content has remained viable.
Nothing is explained from the start. You have to ask everyone or do some google searching for a few hours for a "kind of" answer. If there was actually some kind of effort to graduate the learning curve it would be nice.
So I joined the militia. Great. Nothing is explained in the UI. Am I heading into an area of 50 million isk ships? Or is it the basic frigates? I don't know because nothing is explained. Ever.
If the developers of this game consider this game complex, I'd go to say that it's just convoluted in the attempt at complexity.
Ok, now that you know what you MAYBE want to do, you get **** blocked by the wall of boring chores you have to do before having any attempt at fun.
At this point I'm about to say **** it. It's not worth the frustration.
I agree. I started this account around 2005, so when the articles from 2007 came out, I was able to get good info on questions. Now, it's like F the new guy, maybe we can get him to do something stupid with his ship for a quick KM. The game seems complex, but really it's all just smoke and mirrors with the cryptic way it's displayed and played out. No one wants you to really get the mechanics because if you do, you might actually win a fight.
Yeah, flame me for telling it like it is, but this is EVE. |
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