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Biohazard NML
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2016.08.24 08:23:17 -
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Hello I've returned to EvE Online after about 2 yers - I have 9 mil SP character and try to find my income source in game. I have one major problem - i can't reach above 15 - 20 milion ISL / hour income. I've tried L4 missions (loot + salvage + bounty), mining (boring like hell), gas harvesting in WH (like mining), C1 WH Solo anomalies. Well people are able to payout for game time through plexes (1b ISK) and still it is little marigin of their income and I can't break the magic barrier of in most 20M ISK / hour. What i'm doing wrong ? The worst thing is that whenever I find some interesting activity and at the beginning it looks like I've finally found it, when I do the maths it's 15 - 20 M ISK / hour
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Soel Reit
Dambusters 617 Sq
106
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Posted - 2016.08.24 08:31:09 -
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Missions & Complexes section can help you i think.
generally your income depends on the dps you are putting out. running lv4 missions alone can be inefficient without the right dps.
also where do you live? HS i presume also never tried to rat in null sec?
etc there are many options. need more details, for example the ships you can fly etc |
Deck Cadelanne
CAStabouts
350
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Posted - 2016.08.24 08:36:31 -
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Biohazard NML wrote:Hello I've returned to EvE Online after about 2 yers - I have 9 mil SP character and try to find my income source in game. I have one major problem - i can't reach above 15 - 20 milion ISL / hour income. I've tried L4 missions (loot + salvage + bounty), mining (boring like hell), gas harvesting in WH (like mining), C1 WH Solo anomalies. Well people are able to payout for game time through plexes (1b ISK) and still it is little marigin of their income and I can't break the magic barrier of in most 20M ISK / hour. What i'm doing wrong ? The worst thing is that whenever I find some interesting activity and at the beginning it looks like I've finally found it, when I do the maths it's 15 - 20 M ISK / hour
The only thing I have personally tried that yields that level of income is ratting anomalies in sov null.
I am not the most efficient, but solo in a not-blinged-out drone BS I seem to manage around the same ISK/hour in bounty payouts. Maybe 25% more if I drop an MTU and run an alt in a Noctis. @ 25 million ISK per hour is a reasonable average - until you get cloaky campers and hot droppers which of course knocks that way down.
I suppose it is possible to break that cap if you can jack the DPS even higher but I suspect that would mean using a carrier?
I suspect there is a good reason why some players just do incursions to earn big ISK...
"When the going gets weird, the weird turn professional."
- Hunter S. Thompson
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baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
17995
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Posted - 2016.08.24 08:43:41 -
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This guide should provide you with the info you require to get up to 200 mil/hr in highsec. Even if you are lacking the skills, ships and funds you should be able to take the info in it and improve your low income right away. Plus it gives you a goal to work towards |
Biohazard NML
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2016.08.24 08:55:00 -
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I fly Maelstrom - all T2 modules (including artilery and drones) and have a Noctis for salvaging and looting. Can fly T1 Ships from frigate to BS (Minmatar / Caldari). I think i could train more skills that improve my DPS - which I can't reach above 350 DPS including drones damage. (Alpha is ~ 4k)
baltec1 wrote:This guide should provide you with the info you require to get up to 200 mil/hr in highsec. Even if you are lacking the skills, ships and funds you should be able to take the info in it and improve your low income right away. Plus it gives you a goal to work towards
Thank You mate.
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Major Trant
287 Marine Regiment
1499
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Posted - 2016.08.24 08:56:07 -
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You're being too honest.
You don't start the timer until you're in the mission and fire the first shot. You stop the timer the moment you hand in the mission. You don't count time to the mission. Nor any time involved in setting up your mission ship, converting the LP or salvage to Isk, or breaks between missions. You don't count the cost of ammunition, other charges or lost drones and you calculate the value of salvage and LP based on the best possible sell price. Without regard for any cost to get it to market, ignoring taxes and broker fees, or any losses when you give up on the 0.1 isk game and finally sell it to that buy order 20% lower. If you are unfortunate enough to lose a ship in a mission or a hauler to a gank on the way to the market, well those losses just don't count. Finally you mark up the calculated value by 30% to allow for the fact that you could have done it faster and more efficiently, but for the wife, gf, cat, brat aggro etc.
I'm sure you can squeeze 40M an hour out if you just lie. |
Biohazard NML
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2016.08.24 09:07:50 -
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20M /1h - it's not calculated amount - it is about a scale and scale is 10 - 20 mil ISK / 1h - not 50 - 100 M ISK When I wrote "barrier 20M ISK" I ment, let's say loot only, excluding loses. |
Gaius Clabbacus
Sister Beneficia's Home of Harmless Miners
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Posted - 2016.08.24 09:10:35 -
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Nullsec anomalies in a 100mn Afterburner Navy Vexor. 15m per tick at the very least. |
Biohazard NML
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2016.08.24 09:12:58 -
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baltec1 wrote:Even if you are lacking the skills, ships and funds you should be able to take the info in it and improve your low income right away. Plus it gives you a goal to work towards When I applied a skill plan that is added to this guide - that is for my character 311 days. |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
3544
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Posted - 2016.08.24 09:20:42 -
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Biohazard NML wrote: When I applied a skill plan that is added to this guide - that is for my character 311 days.
The guide he gave you also makes all those assumptions that Trant mentioned. I.E. it takes pure best case scenarios and certain other magic tricks to claim those numbers. The reality is you can halve the numbers anyone claims highsec players earn regulary, and that is more likely to be a legitimate figure for their real income. Certain groups just have an agenda that involves making highsec seem too good.
However, mining & gas in low end Wh's your figures seem accurate. Missions you seem a bit low. Make sure the LP is valuable, some LP gets near 2k isk/LP in a reliable way and missions most of your income is in the LP, so if you are doing missions for the wrong corp that will explain it. If you can turn 50/hour on missions you are actually doing well in terms of sustainable missioning. |
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March rabbit
Mosquito Squadron The-Culture
1875
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Posted - 2016.08.24 09:27:35 -
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huffing gas in 0.0 gives about 90mil/hour (1000 units of gas selling for 90k pu for like 1:06 hour). And it's about 1-2 weeks of training to prospect and t2 gas huffer. I'm pretty sure gas in WHs worth more? Or isn't it?
The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
17995
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Posted - 2016.08.24 09:39:23 -
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Biohazard NML wrote:baltec1 wrote:Even if you are lacking the skills, ships and funds you should be able to take the info in it and improve your low income right away. Plus it gives you a goal to work towards When I applied a skill plan that is added to this guide - that is for my character 311 days.
Get the mach first, the rest for running the burner missions can follow but the mach is the important one. Should drastically reduce your training time. Dont worry about using the mach early on in the training, you can get away with the basics and keep on improving as you go.
If you could provide your current fit I'll be able to see what you could get away with just by training into the hull. |
Biohazard NML
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2016.08.24 09:48:54 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote: so if you are doing missions for the wrong corp that will explain it. If you can turn 50/hour on missions you are actually doing well in terms of sustainable missioning.
I'm doing missions for Brutor Tribe, are there better corps in Minmatar space ? |
Eternus8lux8lucis
Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
903
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Posted - 2016.08.24 10:45:51 -
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Biohazard NML wrote:Nevyn Auscent wrote: so if you are doing missions for the wrong corp that will explain it. If you can turn 50/hour on missions you are actually doing well in terms of sustainable missioning.
I'm doing missions for Brutor Tribe, are there better corps in Minmatar space ? Yes, there are WAY better corps. This is something you have to figure out using two resources
eve agents LP store database
Figuring out stuff in game yourself faster and better than others will make you more fun/hour and isk/hour in the long run.
It is really a game of brains over brawn.
Have you heard anything I've said?
You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?
That's right.
Had to end sometime.
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
3544
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Posted - 2016.08.24 10:51:16 -
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Biohazard NML wrote: I'm doing missions for Brutor Tribe, are there better corps in Minmatar space ?
See where you can do Sisters of EVE missions. They are one of the good ones. You'll need to check the LP rates yourself. Remember to account for how fast a product moves as well, some items seem to have amazing returns but only 1 sells every 3 months
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Artayick Nantes
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.08.24 14:35:18 -
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If you can fly battleships, take a look at incursions. There are several communities out there to run with. Even with the more friendly/forgiving groups you can make 120mil an hour.. this includes insurance and ammo costs.. You will have some travel times when they move but beyond that... I've yet to find something in this game that makes so much isk for the amount of effort you have to put in.
The more aggressive groups is 150 to 180mil an hour. You can plex the account in a long day of running them.. or even with just a couple of days at a few hours a night. |
Shallanna Yassavi
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
356
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Posted - 2016.08.24 15:41:10 -
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For salvage, find an unsuspecting newbie, have him fit out a Noctis (or T1 exploration frigate if he can't fly Noctis), and have said newbie clean up the wrecks.
Newbie salvage frigate: Highs: 3x Salvager I
Mids: MWD, AB if it will fit
Lows: Mix of nanofiber and cargo expanders
Rigs: Salvage tackle 1 and maybe a cargo space rig
Friend ship best ship.
A signature :o
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Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore
14470
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Posted - 2016.08.24 15:50:23 -
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Biohazard NML wrote:Hello I've returned to EvE Online after about 2 yers - I have 9 mil SP character and try to find my income source in game. I have one major problem - i can't reach above 15 - 20 milion ISL / hour income. I've tried L4 missions (loot + salvage + bounty), mining (boring like hell), gas harvesting in WH (like mining), C1 WH Solo anomalies. Well people are able to payout for game time through plexes (1b ISK) and still it is little marigin of their income and I can't break the magic barrier of in most 20M ISK / hour. What i'm doing wrong ? The worst thing is that whenever I find some interesting activity and at the beginning it looks like I've finally found it, when I do the maths it's 15 - 20 M ISK / hour
In additon Anize Onamaras burner mission guide baltec gave you, here is a pretty good post giving you some ideas about what you can do where. A bit dated with the citadel changes but still very close.
Also, as has been said, try incursions. If you can fly Maelstrom you can join an incursion fleet. IMO Incursions are the BEST way for a newish player that can fly a BS to isk up to do other things. This is the best guide I've found. Lastly, the best place to ask quesitons like this is not this secion, but rather the missions and complexes section. Here you go: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=248 |
Haidere
Evolution Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2016.08.24 17:17:29 -
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Deck Cadelanne wrote:Biohazard NML wrote:Hello I've returned to EvE Online after about 2 yers - I have 9 mil SP character and try to find my income source in game. I have one major problem - i can't reach above 15 - 20 milion ISL / hour income. I've tried L4 missions (loot + salvage + bounty), mining (boring like hell), gas harvesting in WH (like mining), C1 WH Solo anomalies. Well people are able to payout for game time through plexes (1b ISK) and still it is little marigin of their income and I can't break the magic barrier of in most 20M ISK / hour. What i'm doing wrong ? The worst thing is that whenever I find some interesting activity and at the beginning it looks like I've finally found it, when I do the maths it's 15 - 20 M ISK / hour
The only thing I have personally tried that yields that level of income is ratting anomalies in sov null. I am not the most efficient, but solo in a not-blinged-out drone BS I seem to manage around the same ISK/hour in bounty payouts. Maybe 25% more if I drop an MTU and run an alt in a Noctis. @ 25 million ISK per hour is a reasonable average - until you get cloaky campers and hot droppers which of course knocks that way down. I suppose it is possible to break that cap if you can jack the DPS even higher but I suspect that would mean using a carrier? I suspect there is a good reason why some players just do incursions to earn big ISK...
If you do the Sanctum/Havens (or equivalent) in a gila, should be much more than a decent BS fit, you should be making at least double that, ~50mil an hour is what I was making in just a gila.
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Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
2774
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Posted - 2016.08.24 18:13:04 -
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Wondering nobody mentioned exploration yet ... it's RNG based per site but relic hunting in the right nullsec region can net you ~100-150M ISK/h if you spend about 4h a stint.
I'm my own NPC alt.
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Ion Kirst
KIRSTONE ALLIANCE
202
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Posted - 2016.08.24 18:33:22 -
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The problem just may be you don't have enough SPs.
As was mentioned, maybe you don't have enough DPS to do a L4 mission faster. Doing the missions faster is key.
Depending on what missions you get, it is very easily to make over 20M / hr, and you don't have to blitz them.
What ship were you using? What was it's fit? How are your SPs allocated? (what are your strengths, missiles or turrets?)
-Kirst
Always remember Tovil-Toba, and what was done there.
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Biohazard NML
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2016.08.25 09:34:01 -
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Ion Kirst wrote:
What ship were you using? What was it's fit? How are your SPs allocated? (what are your strengths, missiles or turrets?)
-Kirst
I fly Maelstrom here's fit:
[Maelstrom, L4 Misjonarz Speed copy]
Mark I Compact Capacitor Flux Coil Mark I Compact Capacitor Flux Coil Mark I Compact Capacitor Flux Coil Mark I Compact Capacitor Flux Coil Mark I Compact Capacitor Flux Coil
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II EM Ward Field II Shield Boost Amplifier I X-Large Shield Booster II 100MN Y-S8 Compact Afterburner
1200mm Artillery Cannon II, Titanium Sabot L 1200mm Artillery Cannon II, Titanium Sabot L 1200mm Artillery Cannon II, Titanium Sabot L 1200mm Artillery Cannon II, Titanium Sabot L 1200mm Artillery Cannon II, Titanium Sabot L 1200mm Artillery Cannon II, Titanium Sabot L 1200mm Artillery Cannon II, Titanium Sabot L 1200mm Artillery Cannon II, Titanium Sabot L
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Hobgoblin II x5
EMP L x320
Damage I do: Volley: 2.5k DPS: 231 (Including drones)
1 mission ~ 20 - 25 minutes (excluding looting and salvaging - I do it with Noctis after )
I thought to try out Raven but havn't done yet. |
Horiz Rin
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
17
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Posted - 2016.08.25 11:19:28 -
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'scuse the newb question - isn't it pointless fitting more than 3 of the same item because of stacking penalties? |
Solecist Project
32463
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Posted - 2016.08.25 11:26:34 -
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Horiz Rin wrote:'scuse the newb question - isn't it pointless fitting more than 3 of the same item because of stacking penalties? There once was a great, i personally think the greatest, highsec wardeccer named Cannibal Kane. He decced everyone, including bigger groups and usually only relied on a scouting alt.
This man was so great, he didn't even use a fitting tool. He used the ingame tool only!
This man was so great, the pirate king Psychotik Monk called him the end boss of highsec.
I remember him talking about fitting once, telling us about how he fits his ship. He, too, argued that fitting a third module most often is a waste ... ... and how other options can add more than the penalized bonus of a third module.
He would have agreed with you.
But in this case the low slot modules aren't penalized, so it's okay.
That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
8 Golden Rules of EVE
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Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
646
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Posted - 2016.08.25 11:53:59 -
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Some good advice, but I'll throw in my 2 cents for the OP:
#1) You probably can't right now, but you need to work on building up SP so you can convert low-slot modules to damage...and/or eventually upgrade to the machariel w/ autocannons. Trust me it will help *a lot*. Right now your DPS is frankly cringe-worthy compared to the serious missioners who make the "big money" - but that is OK, you are young, just keep it in mind and work on it.
#2) If you want max isk/hour never stop to loot or salvage. If some day you have a ship that can do a little of it as you go - great. but your max isk/hour comes from doing missions for a corp with a good LP store (see links posted earlier - can't go wrong with Sisters of EVE though if all else fails) - and then *blitzing* the missions as fast as possible. So actually read the mission description (or find a guide if you must), and just do the *bare minimum* to complete the mission. Turn it in for the LP reward, get the next one, and repeat. As others have said, for max isk/hour you need to be running max missions/hour. The LP rewards are much more consistent/reliable than the bounties or the loot.
The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool.
They lay. They rotted. They turned
Around occasionally.
Bits of flesh dropped off them from
Time to time.
And sank into the pool's mire.
They also smelt a great deal.
Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
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Knitram Relik
Atomic Amish
61
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Posted - 2016.08.25 15:30:24 -
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Wroth 10 manufacturing slots you can easily make 20 million an hour, 24/7. Of course you don't realize the profit until your item sells. |
Beazal
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
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Posted - 2016.08.25 18:33:38 -
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Ratting anoms in Sov. null with 12m SP and a VNI, I get about 15-20m ticks. I never end up with 3 20M ticks in a row, so let's say I make 45-55m/hr. This is with 600DPS and Faction T1 Drones, so it can only go up from here. I used to run L4 missions, and I never would again. It made me quit EVE multiple times. Memorizing the best missions, what damage types, etc etc; Too much crap to deal with. Now I log in, fight the same damn rats with the same damn damage types every-day, don't have to run to turn anything in, etc. Get to break up the monotony when people invade the system and do some PVP.
You shouldn't worry about what you're making an hour, and instead find what you actually want to do in EVE. Playing for Plex isn't fun for most people. For me, it ended up being fleet PVP, aka I need 2.5m per T1 frigate, and maybe 20-30m if a blingy doctrine is called. Beyond that, if I feel like dumping a chunk of isk, I'll buy a skill injector.
It's also just time/effort. Say I make 50m/hr, so it takes 12 hours to make 600m for my goal of skill injector. I can totally sit at home, do schoolwork, play other games, watch TV while semi-AFKing anoms. I'd rather AFK anoms for 50m than actively do something for 100m. I could, if I felt like it, AFK-anoms for 12 hours a day = 600m/day = 4.2b a week = 17b a month. Finding an activity that you can use a second monitor, click a few things an hour, is better than making tons of isk actively for some people (like me).
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Thomas Lot
Astrocomical Warped Intentions
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Posted - 2016.08.25 18:49:14 -
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Biohazard NML wrote:Hello I've returned to EvE Online after about 2 yers - I have 9 mil SP character and try to find my income source in game. I have one major problem - i can't reach above 15 - 20 milion ISL / hour income. I've tried L4 missions (loot + salvage + bounty), mining (boring like hell), gas harvesting in WH (like mining), C1 WH Solo anomalies. Well people are able to payout for game time through plexes (1b ISK) and still it is little marigin of their income and I can't break the magic barrier of in most 20M ISK / hour. What i'm doing wrong ? The worst thing is that whenever I find some interesting activity and at the beginning it looks like I've finally found it, when I do the maths it's 15 - 20 M ISK / hour
VNI (Vexor Navy Issue) in null anoms -- Forsaken Hubs, Hubs, Havens are the best for time invested.
A lot of it is skill based. Drone skills at 4, not that hard or long to do, is a minimum skill. Nav skills, Ship skill, Shield skills. Minimum 2 month train to be competent.
This will net you about 15-20 Mil per tick at minimum skill level, 20-25 per tick at solid skill level. (A tick is a 20 minute time period between wallet blinks.) |
Solecist Project
32492
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Posted - 2016.08.25 18:54:00 -
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Thomas Lot wrote:Biohazard NML wrote:Hello I've returned to EvE Online after about 2 yers - I have 9 mil SP character and try to find my income source in game. I have one major problem - i can't reach above 15 - 20 milion ISL / hour income. I've tried L4 missions (loot + salvage + bounty), mining (boring like hell), gas harvesting in WH (like mining), C1 WH Solo anomalies. Well people are able to payout for game time through plexes (1b ISK) and still it is little marigin of their income and I can't break the magic barrier of in most 20M ISK / hour. What i'm doing wrong ? The worst thing is that whenever I find some interesting activity and at the beginning it looks like I've finally found it, when I do the maths it's 15 - 20 M ISK / hour
VNI (Vexor Navy Issue) in null anoms -- Forsaken Hubs, Hubs, Havens are the best for time invested. A lot of it is skill based. Drone skills at 4, not that hard or long to do, is a minimum skill. Nav skills, Ship skill, Shield skills. Minimum 2 month train to be competent. This will net you about 15-20 Mil per tick at minimum skill level, 20-25 per tick at solid skill level. (A tick is a 20 minute time period between wallet blinks.) I'm sorry for asking, but can you give me a short summary what the VNI does better than the regular one? I know my Vexor, that's fine. Just the other one I don't at all.
That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
8 Golden Rules of EVE
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Biohazard NML
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2016.08.25 19:39:35 -
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Beazal wrote: You shouldn't worry about what you're making an hour, and instead find what you actually want to do in EVE.
Well i don't play for 'to have a lot of ISK ' but to payout bills - ship loses etc ... |
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