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Biohazard NML
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2016.08.25 19:50:47 -
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Knitram Relik wrote:Wroth 10 manufacturing slots you can easily make 20 million an hour, 24/7. Of course you don't realize the profit until your item sells. Yes, i know, but selling = sitting in Jita and modyfying sell orders every 5 mins for cup of hours
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Solecist Project
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Posted - 2016.08.25 20:30:27 -
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Biohazard NML wrote:Knitram Relik wrote:Wroth 10 manufacturing slots you can easily make 20 million an hour, 24/7. Of course you don't realize the profit until your item sells. Yes, i know, but selling = sitting in Jita and modyfying sell orders every 5 mins for cup of hours Or you do it off the main paths, drop it and forget it. Plus you can charge a higher price.
People often forget that jita isn't the be all end all of trading. There's lots of people everywhere else, too.
A good bunch of the rich ones just drop and forget ... ... because they know that prices tend to fluctuate for certain items ... ... so it'll sell anyway.
That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
8 Golden Rules of EVE
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Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
660
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Posted - 2016.08.25 20:48:23 -
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Solecist Project wrote:I'm sorry for asking, but can you give me a short summary what the VNI does better than the regular one? I know my Vexor, that's fine. Just the other one I don't at all. The VNI essentially does everything the vexor does - but a bit better. It has a few extra slots, more cpu/pg, a bigger drone bay, and more drone bandwidth. I believe it is also a little faster.
So basically it tanks twice as much, deals more dps (vs large targets or at range) due to being able to field 5 heavy drones/sentry drones, and it is just a better ship in general.
That being said - I still love my underrated little vexor.
The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool.
They lay. They rotted. They turned
Around occasionally.
Bits of flesh dropped off them from
Time to time.
And sank into the pool's mire.
They also smelt a great deal.
Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
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Ion Kirst
KIRSTONE ALLIANCE
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Posted - 2016.08.25 21:10:19 -
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Biohazard,
As was mentioned before. you need some damage mods in the lows. Missions must painfully take forever.
With those cap flux coils and 3xCCCs it looks like your trying to perma-run your shield booster. Don't do that.
Put in at least 3 damage mods, maybe a Damage control, and a tracking mod. Pulse your shield booster when needed.
If needed replace the AB with a MJD to be able to escape.
Your volley is very very low, and your DPS (including drones?) is bleak.
Some one mentioned that maybe it's too early for you to be doing L4s. That may be true. IMHO I believe that you don't have good support skills to fly a Maelstrom effectively.
-Kirst
Always remember Tovil-Toba, and what was done there.
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Knitram Relik
Atomic Amish
61
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Posted - 2016.08.25 23:48:13 -
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Biohazard NML wrote:Knitram Relik wrote:Wroth 10 manufacturing slots you can easily make 20 million an hour, 24/7. Of course you don't realize the profit until your item sells. Yes, i know, but selling = sitting in Jita and modyfying sell orders every 5 mins for cup of hours
Not even close. I modify my order twice a day. Once before I leave for work and once when I get home. Usually I'll sell one or two items but once every couple of days someone buys my whole stack. Instant profit.
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Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
896
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Posted - 2016.08.26 00:41:20 -
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March rabbit wrote:huffing gas in 0.0 gives about 90mil/hour (1000 units of gas selling for 90k pu for like 1:06 hour). And it's about 1-2 weeks of training to prospect and t2 gas huffer. I'm pretty sure gas in WHs worth more? Or isn't it?
Depends what gas you're huffing.
High class C5 & C6 gas sites containing C320 and C540 are absolutely worth huffing out. In fact, whenever I find a Instrumental Core Reservoir, I TRY to huff it out twice. Once before Downtime (leaving the smaller cloud alone) and once after DT (huff the lot). The not-inconsiderable amount of blue loot and salvage is just an added extra (requiring battleships to clear out). A low class site containing C60 gas I wouldn't even bother fully probing down.
For 0.0 and lowsec gas, the Cytoserocin is generally worthwhile while Mykoserocin gas is much less worthwhile.
Fuzzworks has a handy dandy ISK/m^3 page for gas huffing, including a metric for ISK/Venture load.
Solecist Project wrote:I'm sorry for asking, but can you give me a short summary what the VNI does better than the regular one? I know my Vexor, that's fine. Just the other one I don't at all.
The VNI can field a full flight of heavy drones, has an extra Low Slot, 25m/s faster base speed, 550 extra base shields and 1,000 extra base armour and structure along with 10 flops of extra CPU and 50GJ more cap. The VNI loses the medium hybrid turret bonus for levels of Gal Cruiser in favour of a drone tracking and speed bonus.
But it's mostly the Drone Bandwidth.
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Biohazard NML
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2016.08.26 05:46:48 -
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Ion Kirst wrote:Biohazard,
Your volley is very very low, and your DPS (including drones?) is bleak.
Some one mentioned that maybe it's too early for you to be doing L4s. That may be true. IMHO I believe that you don't have good support skills to fly a Maelstrom effectively.
-Kirst
Proper skills are on the run (large artilery specialization, sharpsooting etc...), you're probably right - it's too early form me, meantime i'll run L2 - L3 to gain access to L4 at worthy corps. Well when I was in academy corp it was siad "Don't go into Battleship just because you have skills for ... (the same with T3 Tengu)" - and now i see it was all true.
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Major Trant
287 Marine Regiment
1504
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Posted - 2016.08.26 12:26:20 -
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I recently started running incursions which are arguably the best Isk generators in game. The money is good, but prior to running I'd heard figures of 250, 300, even 400M Isk per hour stated for the activity.
As with all new activities there is a period of learning. But by Saturday (13th Aug) I had it all nailed and went for it. I had joined the incursion community TVP who run a really slick operation. I logged on right after downtime and got straight into their HQ fleet (the best type of Incursion sites). I then ran with them for 11 hours solid. It was a perfect run, no delays, seemless turn over of 5 or 6 competent FCs, no interference, no losses, ammunition replen on the site gates, bio breaks taken during the final 2 minute structure bash on TPPH sites. I finally crawled away exhaused after running 52 sites.
Payout - each site paid 31.5M Isk and 7000 Concord LP. The Concord LP store is not a great one, but I've found an item that has a decent turnover and doesn't require too much 0.01 Isk play, which can net about 700 Isk per LP. And before anyone says that is where I went wrong, that is more BS - I've been through that store with a fine tooth comb and yes on paper it is possible to get a better return, but only with a dedicated trading alt in Jita playing the 0.01 Isk game until your eyes bleed. Therefore: . 31.5M Isk payout x 52 sites = 1,638M Isk. . 7000 LP x 52 sites = 364,000 LP x 700 Isk = 254.8M Isk. . Final Total: 1,638M Isk payout + 254.8M Isk LP value = 1,892.8M Isk.
Operating expenses - 15M Insurance to TVP, 52M Tip to TVP, 8M Ammunition = 75M
Net Profit 1,892.8M - 75M = 1,817.8M / 11 = 165.25M per hour.
It is good money, but nowhere near as good as the hype says it is and thats without allowing any time to actually convert the LP to Isk or for Corp tax.
But it is worst than that. That was a perfect run with no waiting. Sometimes I'm waiting an hour or more before getting the invite to fleet. Sometimes there is a hiccup and the fleet is stood down for a period. Somethimes there is a competing Incurusion fleet and you are forced to run more of the less optimal TPPH sites. Every now and again, you have to upsticks and haul your operation 15 or 20 jumps to the next Incursion system.
Are Incursions easy money - yes but you do have to concentrate and it is intense. You have about 3 seconds to hit the broadcast button when the room aggro switches to you. After that 11 hour stint, it took me a week to be able to stomach another attempt and since then I've never tried longer than 3 hours at a time.
Finally of course, I should mention the initial outlay. After about 35 hours of pure site running, not counting delays. I've made around 5.7 Billion Isk, which is about 2.3 Billion short of my initial outlay. Around 4B went into the ship and another 4B into my head. I have 120M SP and on paper with this setup can put out about 2500 DPS (without heat).
The whole point of this post is to show that there is a lot of BS about how much various activities can net. People exaggerate, I don't really know why, maybe to justify why they are doing a certain activity, maybe to wind others up, maybe to encourage others to join them in an activity. But in every activity I've done, and I've done a lot, I've never made the money that the hype claims can be made, not even when operating with the optimal setup for that activity. As a rule of thumb, divide by 2 anything people (other than me) claim about Isk per hour and then allow for setup costs and learning time in addition, nevermind any sub-optimal setup you might be running. |
Vladof Alduin
The Graduates The Initiative.
10
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Posted - 2016.08.28 13:08:34 -
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1. Join a PROPER nullsec corp. 2. Train T2 Relic Analyzer + Cov ops frigate 3. Run Relic sites until you have 1bil+ (Or good gas site with t2 mining frigate) 4. Buy Ishtar/tengu for null sec combat sites 5. Run nullsec combat sites (Gallente > Caldari > Minmatar > Amarr) 6. Repeat both activities for 30 days 7. Quickly train a scanner+tengu alt with injectors (or just get rid of mining skills you have) 8. Scan and run relic sites with one toon, run combat sites with the other or using both 9.???? 10. Enjoy 25bil+/month
For the message above; lol incursions are literally full time thrash jobs of eve i would prefer paying 15$ rather than running them |
Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
909
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Posted - 2016.08.29 03:04:59 -
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Major Trant wrote: Finally of course, I should mention the initial outlay. After about 35 hours of pure site running, not counting delays. I've made around 5.7 Billion Isk, which is about 2.3 Billion short of my initial outlay. Around 4B went into the ship and another 4B into my head. I have 120M SP and on paper with this setup can put out about 2500 DPS (without heat).
The hell kind of Autism Chariot and Plug Set are we talking about here?
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baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
18027
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Posted - 2016.08.29 07:28:19 -
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Biohazard NML wrote:Ion Kirst wrote:
What ship were you using? What was it's fit? How are your SPs allocated? (what are your strengths, missiles or turrets?)
-Kirst
I fly Maelstrom here's fit: [Maelstrom, L4 Misjonarz Speed copy] Mark I Compact Capacitor Flux Coil Mark I Compact Capacitor Flux Coil Mark I Compact Capacitor Flux Coil Mark I Compact Capacitor Flux Coil Mark I Compact Capacitor Flux Coil Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II EM Ward Field II Shield Boost Amplifier I X-Large Shield Booster II 100MN Y-S8 Compact Afterburner 1200mm Artillery Cannon II, Titanium Sabot L 1200mm Artillery Cannon II, Titanium Sabot L 1200mm Artillery Cannon II, Titanium Sabot L 1200mm Artillery Cannon II, Titanium Sabot L 1200mm Artillery Cannon II, Titanium Sabot L 1200mm Artillery Cannon II, Titanium Sabot L 1200mm Artillery Cannon II, Titanium Sabot L 1200mm Artillery Cannon II, Titanium Sabot L Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Hobgoblin II x5 EMP L x320 Damage I do: Volley: 2.5k DPS: 231 (Including drones) 1 mission ~ 20 - 25 minutes (excluding looting and salvaging - I do it with Noctis after ) I thought to try out Raven but havn't done yet.
I see the problem. Arty is a very slow weapon and the lack of gyros is going to hurt too.
Ok I have an idea, get yourself into a mach as fast as you can and then follow this guide. Its relatively safe and lets you practice getting used to blitzing missions. |
Biohazard NML
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2016.08.29 08:58:29 -
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baltec1 wrote:Ok I have an idea, get yourself into a mach as fast as you can and then follow this guide. Its relatively safe and lets you practice getting used to blitzing missions.
Mach isn't problem - 2 days from now, price ... well I could buy it but then i'd broke the rule "Never fly anything you can't afford to lose". I know already that Machariel is one of the best L4 Blitzer. Thanks for link to guide - I'll do the maths and probably go for Machariel anyway - no risk no fun they say :) |
Biohazard NML
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2016.08.29 10:51:45 -
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I've done cup of skills and new fit - can you tell me what do you think about this fit:
[Maelstrom, L4 copy]
Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II
Thermal Dissipation Field II EM Ward Field II X-Large Shield Booster II Ionic Field Accelerator I Ionic Field Accelerator I 500MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
800mm Repeating Cannon II, EMP L 800mm Repeating Cannon II, EMP L 800mm Repeating Cannon II, EMP L 800mm Repeating Cannon II, EMP L 800mm Repeating Cannon II, EMP L 800mm Repeating Cannon II, EMP L 800mm Repeating Cannon II, EMP L 800mm Repeating Cannon II, EMP L
Large Processor Overclocking Unit I Large Processor Overclocking Unit I Large Core Defense Field Extender I
Valkyrie II x5
With this I've get 580 HP/s shield recharge (1m10s capa) 646 DPS (drone dmg included) / 728 DPS when I use republic fleet ammo |
Roenok Baalnorn
Sadistically Sinister
310
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Posted - 2016.08.29 12:52:12 -
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I make about 8-10 mil isk a tick ninja belt ratting crappy systems( low true sec and few belts) in a stratios. 20 mil a tick ratting hubs in a rattlesnake, nearly 30 mil a tick ratting havens in a snake.
Exploration where i currently live is crap( CCPLS balance exploration sites between the factions) but in a certain factions space i was making a bil isk in exploration in about 4 hours. Thats 4 hours of hunting, scanning, and hacking and NOT cherry picking.
You can pretty much make 30 mil plus an hour accidentally doing any pve in null. High sec is pretty much a waste of time for making isk unless you are pretty new( under 5 mil sp) . You have to deal with gankers, baiters, thieves, and wardeccers while trying to make crap isk doing missions. Dont have any of that in null. Just check local, check intel, undock, warp to anom, kill stuff, collect a check every 20 mins. |
Roenok Baalnorn
Sadistically Sinister
310
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Posted - 2016.08.29 13:03:16 -
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Biohazard NML wrote:I've done cup of skills and new fit - can you tell me what do you think about this fit:
[Maelstrom, L4 copy]
Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II
Thermal Dissipation Field II EM Ward Field II X-Large Shield Booster II Ionic Field Accelerator I Ionic Field Accelerator I 500MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
800mm Repeating Cannon II, EMP L 800mm Repeating Cannon II, EMP L 800mm Repeating Cannon II, EMP L 800mm Repeating Cannon II, EMP L 800mm Repeating Cannon II, EMP L 800mm Repeating Cannon II, EMP L 800mm Repeating Cannon II, EMP L 800mm Repeating Cannon II, EMP L
Large Processor Overclocking Unit I Large Processor Overclocking Unit I Large Core Defense Field Extender I
Valkyrie II x5
With this I've get 580 HP/s shield recharge (1m10s capa) 646 DPS (drone dmg included) / 728 DPS when I use republic fleet ammo
Step 1: Join a null corp Step 2: Buy a VNI, with decent drone skills( you can train up in about a week to all level 4 drone skills) you will put out 600-700 dps. Entire fit will cost 90-110 mil with faction heavies( or t2 heavies if you can use) Step 3: Run Havens. Step 4: Profit Step 5: Pay off the VNI in about 4 havens( should take you 2-3 hours in a VNI) Step 6: More profits
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Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
677
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Posted - 2016.08.29 13:40:33 -
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Roenok Baalnorn wrote:Biohazard NML wrote:I've done cup of skills and new fit - can you tell me what do you think about this fit:
[Maelstrom, L4 copy]
Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II
Thermal Dissipation Field II EM Ward Field II X-Large Shield Booster II Ionic Field Accelerator I Ionic Field Accelerator I 500MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
800mm Repeating Cannon II, EMP L 800mm Repeating Cannon II, EMP L 800mm Repeating Cannon II, EMP L 800mm Repeating Cannon II, EMP L 800mm Repeating Cannon II, EMP L 800mm Repeating Cannon II, EMP L 800mm Repeating Cannon II, EMP L 800mm Repeating Cannon II, EMP L
Large Processor Overclocking Unit I Large Processor Overclocking Unit I Large Core Defense Field Extender I
Valkyrie II x5
With this I've get 580 HP/s shield recharge (1m10s capa) 646 DPS (drone dmg included) / 728 DPS when I use republic fleet ammo Step 1: Join a null corp Step 2: Buy a VNI, with decent drone skills( you can train up in about a week to all level 4 drone skills) you will put out 600-700 dps. Entire fit will cost 90-110 mil with faction heavies( or t2 heavies if you can use) Step 3: Run Havens. Step 4: Profit Step 5: Pay off the VNI in about 4 havens( should take you 2-3 hours in a VNI) Step 6: More profits Everyone keeps suggesting this everywhere...but the OP is already making 20m isk/hour - why go to all the extra effort for roughly the same income?
The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool.
They lay. They rotted. They turned
Around occasionally.
Bits of flesh dropped off them from
Time to time.
And sank into the pool's mire.
They also smelt a great deal.
Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
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Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore
14502
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Posted - 2016.08.29 13:43:54 -
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Dirty Forum Alt wrote: Everyone keeps suggesting this everywhere...but the OP is already making 20m isk/hour - why go to all the extra effort for roughly the same income?
???
How is 50-60 mil per hour (in a less skill intensive and less expensive ship) the same as 20 mil per hour? |
Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
678
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Posted - 2016.08.29 13:54:21 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Dirty Forum Alt wrote: Everyone keeps suggesting this everywhere...but the OP is already making 20m isk/hour - why go to all the extra effort for roughly the same income?
??? How is 50-60 mil per hour (in a less skill intensive and less expensive ship) the same as 20 mil per hour? Using Roenok's estimate that it will take 3 hours to make back the 90 mil spent on the ship:
90 mil in 3 hours is only 30 mil/hour - *after* he skills up,etc.
It isn't significantly better than what he was making in his horribly underskilled battleship grinding L4s at a snail's pace....and it requires him dumping all of the skill training he has to train a ship that uses a different weapons system, different tank, etc - basically telling him to start over from scratch.
The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool.
They lay. They rotted. They turned
Around occasionally.
Bits of flesh dropped off them from
Time to time.
And sank into the pool's mire.
They also smelt a great deal.
Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
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Syna Anima
SYNDAX CORPORATION Axiom Vocation Alliance
56
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Posted - 2016.08.29 15:10:42 -
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If I were you I'd move to 0.0 asap. Can easily get to 60 mil/h on a 600+ DPS sentry II domi. Cheap, reliable.
After that, you can try carrier ratting, that will boost your income. Alternatively, do incursions or trade. A good trader in a staging system for a big alliance in one of the 0.0 hubs can make billions/month. You only have to do some jumps and update orders from time to time.
If you trade, making ISK while doing PVP is best. Actually probably when you sleep is better, you wake up and your wallet is blinking at you.
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Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore
14502
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Posted - 2016.08.29 15:26:19 -
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Dirty Forum Alt wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Dirty Forum Alt wrote: Everyone keeps suggesting this everywhere...but the OP is already making 20m isk/hour - why go to all the extra effort for roughly the same income?
??? How is 50-60 mil per hour (in a less skill intensive and less expensive ship) the same as 20 mil per hour? Using Roenok's estimate that it will take 3 hours to make back the 90 mil spent on the ship: 90 mil in 3 hours is only 30 mil/hour - *after* he skills up,etc. It isn't significantly better than what he was making in his horribly underskilled battleship grinding L4s at a snail's pace....and it requires him dumping all of the skill training he has to train a ship that uses a different weapons system, different tank, etc - basically telling him to start over from scratch.
Must be some kind of typo on his part. A VNI will get you 13-15 mil minimum every 20 minutes at level 4 skills (I've had as high as 19 mil) in named hubs (forsaken, forlorn) and Havens. At a minimum that's about double what the OP says he makes. All for training a ship and drone skills for maybe a couple weeks. |
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Eli Stan
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
569
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Posted - 2016.08.29 15:29:37 -
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I made 35m to 50m ISK/hr running L4 missions in a Gila. (Not counting the time and effort to build and sell the faction items from the LP store.)
I made 1b ISK/wk doing station trading which required about 40min/day, so that was about 214m ISK/hr.
I make 45m to 65m ISK/hr running Hubs and such in a Rattlesnake. (Irony: the first day I was using my first Rattlesnnake, I landed in a site with a dread rat, did not warp out soon enough, and lost the Rattlesnake. Welp.) |
Roenok Baalnorn
Sadistically Sinister
310
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Posted - 2016.08.29 15:51:57 -
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Dirty Forum Alt wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Dirty Forum Alt wrote: Everyone keeps suggesting this everywhere...but the OP is already making 20m isk/hour - why go to all the extra effort for roughly the same income?
??? How is 50-60 mil per hour (in a less skill intensive and less expensive ship) the same as 20 mil per hour? Using Roenok's estimate that it will take 3 hours to make back the 90 mil spent on the ship: 90 mil in 3 hours is only 30 mil/hour - *after* he skills up,etc. It isn't significantly better than what he was making in his horribly underskilled battleship grinding L4s at a snail's pace....and it requires him dumping all of the skill training he has to train a ship that uses a different weapons system, different tank, etc - basically telling him to start over from scratch.
I will clarify. I can run a haven in snake CASUALLY( this word is very important) in less than 1 tick. About 18 minutes actually from undock to warp back to dock depending on where it is system and i rat in a large system. A newer player but with decent skills should be able to run the same haven in about 25-30 min. A haven pays around 25 mil in bounty give or take. So that is 50 mil an hour.
Unlike most people here, i give realistic numbers not optimal efficiency. So worse case scenario with screwing around it should take you no more than 3 hours to make 100 mil with a 9 mil SP character running havens in a VNI. And if you are trying you can probably make 50-60 mil an hour.
I make 8-10 mil a tick Thats 25-30 mil hr, screwing around belt ratting crappy pipe systems for ADM. in a stratios...with only drones for weapons. I get interrupted by neuts/hostiles at least 2-3 times an hour and my stratios gets 200 dps less than i could get out of a VNI.
Also Drones are a weapon system that everyone should have regardless of what race you fly because every race uses drones and your not utilizing that extra dps. And you dont armor tank a VNI. The lows should be pretty much all drone stuff, The mids should be a prop, possibly a drone nav to increase drone velocity, and some shield mods to give you a buffer for those random hits. The highs should have nothing but a drone link for extra range. |
Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
679
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Posted - 2016.08.29 16:12:25 -
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I am well aware that Havens are essentially single-pocket L4 combat missions without LP rewards, and thus have a very similar level of income, yes.
So what?
How does that make them *better* for the specific player in question?
Also - yes, everyone needs *some* drone skills.
But to be efficient with a vexor navy issue (or rattlesnake) you need *t2 heavy drones* - these are *not* needed for anything but actual drone boats - and they take just as long to train as any other battleship class weapons system - so his time might be better spend perfecting the system he has already chosen...
The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool.
They lay. They rotted. They turned
Around occasionally.
Bits of flesh dropped off them from
Time to time.
And sank into the pool's mire.
They also smelt a great deal.
Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
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Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore
14502
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Posted - 2016.08.29 16:25:49 -
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Dirty Forum Alt wrote:I am well aware that Havens are essentially single-pocket L4 combat missions without LP rewards, and thus have a very similar level of income, yes.
So what?
How does that make them *better* for the specific player in question?
Ok, you are having some reading comprehension issues today. Here Roenok Baalnorn wrote: A newer player but with decent skills should be able to run the same haven in about 25-30 min. A haven pays around 25 mil in bounty give or take. So that is 50 mil an hour.
The name of this thread is "Magic barrier of 20M ISK / 1h what i'm doing wrong ?"
How is any of this hard to understand?
Quote: Also - yes, everyone needs *some* drone skills.
But to be efficient with a vexor navy issue (or rattlesnake) you need *t2 heavy drones* - these are *not* needed for anything but actual drone boats - and they take just as long to train as any other battleship class weapons system - so his time might be better spend perfecting the system he has already chosen...
This part demonstrates you just don't understand (it seems like you haven't had much PVE experience). A VNI is a short train to all 4s in relevant skills. It would take way WAY longer to get a minmatar gun BS to the level where it could match a VNI in terms of isk making potential. This is why multiple people (who do have PVE experience) are saying the same thing (as you noted in your post, yes almost everyone is giving similar advice).
Also, the tech2 drone thing if way off base, Faction drones are more than acceptable for a new player.
If the OP wants to stay in high sec, a drone ship like the Domi or Gila are better choices than what he uses. The Domi is also a relatively short train and the Gila is ridiculous easy to train into. The Gila is only an ok lvl 4 ship, but it's still better than a maelstrom.
Are you going to offer anything useful to the OP or are you going to nitpick those that are? |
baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
18033
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Posted - 2016.08.29 17:08:04 -
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Jenn aSide wrote: If the OP wants to stay in high sec, a drone ship like the Domi or Gila are better choices than what he uses. The Domi is also a relatively short train and the Gila is ridiculous easy to train into. The Gila is only an ok lvl 4 ship, but it's still better than a maelstrom.
Gotta disagree on the cross training into the domi, the best ship is the mach not only because its very good at missions but also because its a rather quick train to get into as he already has the matari battleship and autocannon skills trained. Swapping out to the tempest could be an option here. |
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Posted - 2016.08.29 17:24:47 -
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If you throw the OP into a haven right now with his current skills he'll be lucky to get the same isk he is making now... What some other theoretical player with the right skills/ship/fit makes is irrelevant if you insist on comparing them *TO THE OP*...
Quibbling about details for drones/etc aside, my core point remains: The player you are talking about will make just as much if not more running L4 missions in high sec as they will running havens in 0.0 - so *why* should the OP go do the havens instead of just doing the same thing right where he is now?
Additionally - since the OP is running L4s in his maelstrom and not dieing - he is obviously close to having the skills to fly it properly - he just needs more DPS related skills (and eventually an upgrade to the machariel)... So your whining about how long it takes to train into is irrelevant - he has already put in most of the training time. As Baltec has already pointed out he can easily upgrade into the machariel any time he is ready.
And of course T1/Faction drones can be used - just like meta 4 guns can be used on a battleship... But good luck getting 60m isk per hour with them...
I never said Havens weren't good isk - I said they are essentially the same as L4s for income - the bounties are a bit more accessible since they are all single-pocket - and since they give no LP at all, it comes out pretty much exactly even...
I just asked why the OP should throw away everything he has done and pretend he just started EVE today just to go out there and make *the same* amount of isk as he is almost trained to make in high-sec... And you have yet to give me a good answer.
The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool.
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Around occasionally.
Bits of flesh dropped off them from
Time to time.
And sank into the pool's mire.
They also smelt a great deal.
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baltec1
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Posted - 2016.08.29 17:29:45 -
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Dirty Forum Alt wrote:If you throw the OP into a haven right now with his current skills he'll be lucky to get the same isk he is making now... What some other theoretical player with the right skills/ship/fit makes is irrelevant if you insist on comparing them *TO THE OP*...
Quibbling about details for drones/etc aside, my core point remains: The player you are talking about will make just as much if not more running L4 missions in high sec as they will running havens in 0.0 - so *why* should the OP go do the havens instead of just doing the same thing right where he is now?
Additionally - since the OP is running L4s in his maelstrom and not dieing - he is obviously close to having the skills to fly it properly - he just needs more DPS related skills (and eventually an upgrade to the machariel)... So your whining about how long it takes to train into is irrelevant - he has already put in most of the training time. As Baltec has already pointed out he can easily upgrade into the machariel any time he is ready.
And of course T1/Faction drones can be used - just like meta 4 guns can be used on a battleship... But good luck getting 60m isk per hour with them...
I never said Havens weren't good isk - I said they are essentially the same as L4s for income - the bounties are a bit more accessible since they are all single-pocket - and since they give no LP at all, it comes out pretty much exactly even...
I just asked why the OP should throw away everything he has done and pretend he just started EVE today just to go out there and make *the same* amount of isk as he is almost trained to make in high-sec... And you have yet to give me a good answer.
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Jenn aSide
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Posted - 2016.08.29 17:36:33 -
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Dirty Forum Alt wrote:If you throw the OP into a haven right now with his current skills he'll be lucky to get the same isk he is making now... What some other theoretical player with the right skills/ship/fit makes is irrelevant if you insist on comparing them *TO THE OP*...
Quibbling about details for drones/etc aside, my core point remains: The player you are talking about will make just as much if not more running L4 missions in high sec as they will running havens in 0.0 - so *why* should the OP go do the havens instead of just doing the same thing right where he is now?
One of the things i've always wondered about in general is why people choose to talk about things they don't know about. I mean it's obvious that you don't, and yet you want to argue with people who do? I'm sorry but that's dumb.
The question was isk per hour. People who know something about PVE have told him an easy way to break the barrier he is experiencing (a cheaper and easy to train for VNI in an upgraded null system).
Quote: Additionally - since the OP is running L4s in his maelstrom and not dieing - he is obviously close to having the skills to fly it properly - he just needs more DPS related skills (and eventually an upgrade to the machariel)... So your whining about how long it takes to train into is irrelevant - he has already put in most of the training time. As Baltec has already pointed out he can easily upgrade into the machariel any time he is ready.
And of course T1/Faction drones can be used - just like meta 4 guns can be used on a battleship... But good luck getting 60m isk per hour with them...
I never said Havens weren't good isk - I said they are essentially the same as L4s for income - the bounties are a bit more accessible since they are all single-pocket - and since they give no LP at all, it comes out pretty much exactly even...
I just asked why the OP should throw away everything he has done and pretend he just started EVE today just to go out there and make *the same* amount of isk as he is almost trained to make in high-sec... And you have yet to give me a good answer.
It's been explained to you by people who know, it's not the same amount of isk, it's more isk for a short (1-2 week) train.
I can't give you a good answer if you don't have enough knowledge about PVE to understand what I'm saying to you (and you demonstrated your ignorance when talking about tech2 drones, this is not 2012 where tech2 heavy drones are the end all and be all). you keep demonstrating that you don't, which makes your decision to post in a thread about PVE issues really, well, dumb.
I'll ask again, are you going to offer anything useful to the OP, or are you going to continue to defensively nitpick issues you don't know about?
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So just to clarify - you are saying that the only valid form of PvE is 0.0 havens - and anybody doing any PvE other than that is an idiot because they could be making significantly more isk much easier doing 0.0 havens?
I may not know a lot about PvE - but I know that is ****ing stupid. If it is true, then EVE is a lot more broken than I thought it was.
edit: And I already gave the OP my useful advice ages ago - yes I've gotten sidetracked wondering why people want him to start over on an entirely new path seeminly at random now...
The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool.
They lay. They rotted. They turned
Around occasionally.
Bits of flesh dropped off them from
Time to time.
And sank into the pool's mire.
They also smelt a great deal.
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Jenn aSide
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Posted - 2016.08.29 17:42:26 -
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baltec1 wrote:Jenn aSide wrote: If the OP wants to stay in high sec, a drone ship like the Domi or Gila are better choices than what he uses. The Domi is also a relatively short train and the Gila is ridiculous easy to train into. The Gila is only an ok lvl 4 ship, but it's still better than a maelstrom.
Gotta disagree on the cross training into the domi, the best ship is the mach not only because its very good at missions but also because its a rather quick train to get into as he already has the matari battleship and autocannon skills trained. Swapping out to the tempest could be an option here.
A mach is an ok idea. On balance there is a reason why so many people suggest drone ships for newish player PVE. A Mach in the hands of a new player can still go boom as they learn lvl 4 missioning, a Domi is an all rounder type ship that is much more forgiving of screw ups like shooting the wrong trigger.
If he HAS to stay with projectiles, ok sure, Mach it is (Tempest? just no), and eventually he can get to a good isk level with it if he's willing to run for SOE (or Thukker).
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