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Taishoku Mayaki
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.08.26 16:21:37 -
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I already fly in Lowsec, it's alright. Need people to run away less when being attacked solo, like really. You're in a Hookbill, man up.
Not really ran into many T3D's soon as they pop up on D-Scan I bugger off, don't care for it. But would not count it as a problem. |
Solecist Project
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Posted - 2016.08.26 16:21:53 -
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Dirty Forum Alt wrote:Solecist Project wrote:If you people acted intelligently you'd make a thread calling out all solo PvPers ... ... sat down together ... ... and thought about your options and how to improve the situation.
Sheesh, where are the thinking adults??
And no, I don't mean another worthless crapfest like this one. No one cares about these irrelevant opinions. They change nothing! Bah, they don't call us "solo" without a reason edit: And honestly the situation...is what it is. It has been heading this direction for a long time, I don't think it is "fixable". If you know what you are doing and you put in the time/effort, you can still operate solo in any space you choose. You can't kill "everybody" - but you can find people to kill just fine. If you don't know what you are doing and/or aren't willing to put in the time/effort (and isk) - then don't do solo PvP until you are prepared to change that. It is that simple. That is correct.
Nonetheless can you all get together, sit down and ... ... well, first thing that pops into my head:
Get together and mark out "territories" ... ... so everyone knows where so.o PvP can be found.
If you'd all settle for a region and spread out enough ... ... after a while it will act like a multiplier ... ... bringing in more soloPvPers.
Yes, that would work if people would just being whiny bitches brai washed by the leading classes to never come up with their own solutions!
Sorry for sounding grumpy.
That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
8 Golden Rules of EVE
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Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
672
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Posted - 2016.08.26 16:58:30 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Nonetheless can you all get together, sit down and ... ... well, first thing that pops into my head:
Get together and mark out "territories" ... ... so everyone knows where so.o PvP can be found.
If you'd all settle for a region and spread out enough ... ... after a while it will act like a multiplier ... ... bringing in more soloPvPers.
Yes, that would work if people would just being whiny bitches brai washed by the leading classes to never come up with their own solutions!
Sorry for sounding grumpy. There are a few people who have done similar things...but they tend to either operate in NPC 0.0 space where they can roam around picking off easy targets (which can cover a pretty wide area of space) and simply accepting the occasional gate-camp specifically for them because people know they are an easy target - or they tend to use high-sec trade hub undocks were they can use duel mechanics - and they generally rely on good relations with the resident merc corps to pop neutral RR that interferes pretty quickly.
The primary problems that I see with this being:
#1 - There aren't enough *worthwhile* territories like this to mark out for very many Solo PvPers to stake out a claim by roaming widely enough that the blobs can't camp them in consistently. #2 - If you stay in too small of an area and you don't have friends locally (being truly solo), people *will* come and camp you with blobs - because they enjoy easy kills
Realistically - EVE has never particularly rewarded solo PvP. It has always been a bit of a battle against the "encouraged" and "expected" behaviour of the game - that was part of the appeal
Recent updates have shown a tendency in CCP to take a heavy-handed approach to try to *force* people away from playing solo and into operating as groups...and they've had an effect... Along with the simple fact that big groups are stronger so they keep getting bigger...
Even your suggestion is to form a *group* to carve out an area for *solo* PvP
Perhaps it is finally time to accept that EVE isn't meant to be played Solo, by anybody? So if we insist on doing it we need to HTFU and just deal with the challenges, whatever they are. Or maybe I'm just a disgruntled bitter-vet
In either case, I'm still doing just fine solo - and I'm not complaining about mechanics. I HTFU'd a long time ago. I unsubscribed months before I even realized how much the spirit of high-sec dwellers has truly been crushed and realized I'm not getting any "good fights" anymore...and it was back while I was still active on my FW alt happily living the life of a -10 pirate out there while funding myself with high-sec wars. All solo, or in the case of 1 alt in a 3-5 person war-corp (yes, I have essentially crafted a finely developed split-personality-disorder within the game and treat my alts as separate entities)...
I just can't recommend solo PvP for *new* players anymore as a way to start... It wasn't all *that* great compared to the alternatives of joining a supportive organization that PvPed as a group even when I started - which is why my first 3-4 years were in *groups* and I just did some solo work *on the side* for fun.
The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool.
They lay. They rotted. They turned
Around occasionally.
Bits of flesh dropped off them from
Time to time.
And sank into the pool's mire.
They also smelt a great deal.
Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
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Solecist Project
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Posted - 2016.08.26 17:13:44 -
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Dirty Forum Alt wrote:The primary problems that I see with this being:
#1 - There aren't enough *worthwhile* territories like this to mark out for very many Solo PvPers to stake out a claim by roaming widely enough that the blobs can't camp them in consistently. #2 - If you stay in too small of an area and you don't have friends locally (being truly solo), people *will* come and camp you with blobs - because they enjoy easy kills I dismiss the rest as irrelevant ... ... because it is.
#1 - bullshit What makes it worthwhile? What does that have to do with the reason why people whine about solo PvP?
#2 - bullshit What kind of point is that? It's irrelevant! You can't come up with something that's completely unknown yet and use it as reason to weasel yourself out of your own responsibilities!
All you do is finding excuses not to try it!
I'm not discussing things. Do it, it'll work. Save your opinions for later, when you start trying.
Yes, i know i sound harsh, but wtf?
Stop talking about the problem ... ... start working on a solution!
And when the big boys bully you you can just work together sometimes, you know? Form Voltron or whatever!
That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
8 Golden Rules of EVE
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Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
672
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Posted - 2016.08.26 17:27:48 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Stop talking about the problem ... ... start working on a solution!
And when the big boys bully you you can just work together sometimes, you know? Form Voltron or whatever! You are correct, it is (mostly) irrelevant - Just providing some relevant *context* for my own views.
So here are the relevant facts (in relation to *me* doing such a thing):
#1) There *is* no problem with the state of Solo PvP in EVE Online. So any effort taken to "solve" a problem that doesn't exist? Is Futile. #2) Even if there *was* a problem - I quit for other reasons. I'm gone in 1.5 months. So it isn't worth giving up 1.5 months of my solo PvP to try to herd cats.
Case closed.
The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool.
They lay. They rotted. They turned
Around occasionally.
Bits of flesh dropped off them from
Time to time.
And sank into the pool's mire.
They also smelt a great deal.
Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
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Soel Reit
Dambusters 617 Sq
143
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Posted - 2016.08.26 17:35:08 -
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we will change your mind in 1.5 months no doubts on my mind! |
Solecist Project
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Posted - 2016.08.26 18:10:51 -
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Dirty Forum Alt wrote:Solecist Project wrote:Stop talking about the problem ... ... start working on a solution!
And when the big boys bully you you can just work together sometimes, you know? Form Voltron or whatever! You are correct, it is (mostly) irrelevant - Just providing some relevant *context* for my own views. So here are the relevant facts (in relation to *me* doing such a thing): #1) There *is* no problem with the state of Solo PvP in EVE Online. So any effort taken to "solve" a problem that doesn't exist? Is Futile. #2) Even if there *was* a problem - I quit for other reasons. I'm gone in 1.5 months. So it isn't worth giving up 1.5 months of my solo PvP to try to herd cats. Case closed. I'm not letting you go and you know that!
:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P
That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
8 Golden Rules of EVE
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Cara Forelli
Meticulously Indifferent
2041
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Posted - 2016.08.26 18:18:34 -
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Targeted cyno inhib.
CCP hire me already.
Want to talk? Join my channel in game: House Forelli
Titan's Lament
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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
2314
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Posted - 2016.08.26 20:43:23 -
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Turn it into hisec...
When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
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Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
674
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Posted - 2016.08.26 20:58:06 -
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Dracvlad wrote:Turn it into hisec... Some of them would probably go for it just to get their supercapitals into high-sec...
The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool.
They lay. They rotted. They turned
Around occasionally.
Bits of flesh dropped off them from
Time to time.
And sank into the pool's mire.
They also smelt a great deal.
Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
2314
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Posted - 2016.08.26 21:27:07 -
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Dirty Forum Alt wrote:Dracvlad wrote:Turn it into hisec... Some of them would probably go for it just to get their supercapitals into high-sec...
Actually that would be amusing...
When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
5118
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Posted - 2016.08.26 22:24:37 -
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HeXxploiT wrote:I've been thinking for some time about ideas to tempt starving solo pvp pilots like myself into lowsec. Along with poking you guys for some ideas you've had I wanted to run this simple one across.
What if aside from gate guns there was an actual police force that would respond to aggressors in lowsec? Now before you get your knickers in a bind realize I'm not talking concord power but something more along the lines of level 3/4 ratts that provided bounties. I know for myself if this were the case I would have lost 10x as many ships in lowsec because I would fly into low solo much more frequently knowing that at least I had a chance against the 5-10 pilots I'm going to face down alone.
As a solo pilot what ideas have some of you had that would tempt you into actually engaging in pvp in lowsec space?
Flame away...
I fly solo through LS all the time. Honestly it is not nearly as scary as everyone makes it out to be.
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
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Solecist Project
32573
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Posted - 2016.08.27 00:10:41 -
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HeXxploiT wrote:I've been thinking for some time about ideas to tempt starving solo pvp pilots like myself into lowsec. Along with poking you guys for some ideas you've had I wanted to run this simple one across.
What if aside from gate guns there was an actual police force that would respond to aggressors in lowsec? Now before you get your knickers in a bind realize I'm not talking concord power but something more along the lines of level 3/4 ratts that provided bounties. I know for myself if this were the case I would have lost 10x as many ships in lowsec because I would fly into low solo much more frequently knowing that at least I had a chance against the 5-10 pilots I'm going to face down alone.
As a solo pilot what ideas have some of you had that would tempt you into actually engaging in pvp in lowsec space?
Flame away... It is my humble opinion that you should try enjoying doing what I once did after realizing that moving from one empty lowsec to the next, to do pve, wasn't a long term option. It made me realize "it's this or i quit". I realized that the best fun is being had by entertaining others. So i turned it around and seeked out resident pirates.
i went out there and started being a pest.
That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
8 Golden Rules of EVE
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Soel Reit
Dambusters 617 Sq
155
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Posted - 2016.08.27 00:12:21 -
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Solecist Project wrote:i went out there and started being a pest.
not surprised at all "a real scrub lord" - Rhiload |
Solecist Project
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Posted - 2016.08.27 00:17:13 -
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Soel Reit wrote:Solecist Project wrote:i went out there and started being a pest. not surprised at all "a real scrub lord" - Rhiload It's what I do best! And it works! :D
That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
8 Golden Rules of EVE
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Soel Reit
Dambusters 617 Sq
155
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Posted - 2016.08.27 00:19:20 -
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eheheheh confirmed it works!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
2003
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Posted - 2016.08.27 00:22:47 -
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Solo is in your mind. Not an actual thing. Its not even that desirable.
As i have to say time and again. Solo is supposed to be hard, its a single shard MP with no limitations on teams after all. The game should have no interest in coddling people who have this goal. They should carve out their own niche. |
FT Cold
R3d Fire Mouth Trumpet Cavalry
67
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Posted - 2016.08.27 02:01:39 -
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Solo pvp is challenge which I enjoy and I don't want that to change, but it has gotten a little harder over the years. EVE players have had time to figure out what works and they've got a lot of new tools at their disposal, some of which work much better in a gang or a blob than they ever could solo. Hic points, the prevalence of links, alts, cloaky and d-scan immune ships, and in general I think more players have higher SP, and therefore more access to direct counters.
Links going on grid is going to be very helpful for people that are interested in true solo, but if I were to ask for something, it'd be a soloist module or implant. I think such a feature could probably be balanced fairly, but the last time I brought it up there was some pretty severe resentment towards it, which I understand completely. If it happened, I'd be happy, if not, I'll keep soloing when I want and try not to get salty when I get blobbed, it is all just for fun in any event. |
Shallanna Yassavi
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
361
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Posted - 2016.08.27 02:43:05 -
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I got an escalation into low the other day. There was a confessor poking around looking for me. It launched core scanners, thinking the cosmic signature had a slightly tasty naugoror.
He entered and left the system a couple of times, and another guy went poking around too.
I got back to high without getting shot at by anybody but some Blood Raiders, and had a look at his killboard. He mostly runs in tandem with a guy who can fly a Thanatos, and has dropped said Thanatos on someone before.
Note to self: don't engage that guy unless you want a Thanatos dropped on whatever subcaps you brought with you.
A signature :o
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
5121
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Posted - 2016.08.27 04:09:01 -
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Let me add I've flown through LS with hundreds of million so ISK in my cargo hold.
Look, it is not a big deal, just figure out the following:
1. Why are you there. 2. What you need to do to reduce your risk. 3. ??? 4. Profit!
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
5122
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Posted - 2016.08.27 04:11:25 -
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Of course if I wanted to be sarcastic I'd say, "Go over to your wife's purse, open it up. Take out your balls. Go back to your computer. Jump into LS."
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
902
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Posted - 2016.08.27 04:35:13 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:Of course if I wanted to be sarcastic I'd say, "Go over to your wife's purse, open it up. Take out your balls. Go back to your computer. Jump into LS." wife...lol.
sarcastic for sure.
Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
5122
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Posted - 2016.08.27 04:52:29 -
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Shae Tadaruwa wrote:Teckos Pech wrote:Of course if I wanted to be sarcastic I'd say, "Go over to your wife's purse, open it up. Take out your balls. Go back to your computer. Jump into LS." wife...lol. sarcastic for sure.
Well, how about "husband's murse"?
I do not judge.
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
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Tiddle Jr
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
879
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Posted - 2016.08.27 06:19:09 -
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Really nothing to do with that. I don't want to lose that feeling i had when i first time jump my Orca into low by mistake. I almost got an heart attack and this was real adrenaline bomb explosion. i was expecting some ass **** but it was empty system anyway
What's stops me to go to low is that i know for sure in most of the cases i'm going to be out numbered, outgunned, outsomething else.
"The message is that there are known knowns. There are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say there are things that we now know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know" - CCP
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Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
7791
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Posted - 2016.08.27 07:08:20 -
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I have been PVP'ing solo in lowsec since 2013. I do it in small gangs too, but prefer solo. I'm not convinced that a change is needed in the game to encourage solo PVP in low. I think a change in attitude amongst players is needed, but not the game. Too many people care about killboard stats instead of the fight itself.
Deleting all killboards would be a positive, as well as getting rid of killmails. I would be down for that. We have killmarks now for bragging rights and if you get into a particularly intense fight, there's always Shadowplay (or it's equivalent on alternative softwares) so you can record your glory for YT.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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Zappity
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
2922
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Posted - 2016.08.27 13:44:55 -
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I think that the description in the OP is how 0.5 systems should work.
Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.
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Ayuren Aakiwa
Sudden Death. Exodus.
118
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Posted - 2016.08.27 16:28:19 -
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lowsec is fine go away |
Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
675
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Posted - 2016.08.27 16:38:03 -
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OK well now that we've solved that problem - how do we bring more 0.0 supercapital blobs into low-sec?
I propose that we make it so there is no jump fatigue for jumping a ship into low-sec (leave fatige for bridging other ships though).
But clearly EVE would be a better place if we bring this exciting content to low-sec (and then high sec - but that is a separate plan).
Discuss!
(or not, I think we are beating enough dead horses around here by now, we can probably just leave them alone if you prefer)
The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool.
They lay. They rotted. They turned
Around occasionally.
Bits of flesh dropped off them from
Time to time.
And sank into the pool's mire.
They also smelt a great deal.
Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
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HeXxploiT
Little Red X
234
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Posted - 2016.08.27 18:39:06 -
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Zappity wrote:I think that the description in the OP is how 0.5 systems should work.
100% agree. Really it is the exact same concept. The root of the problem is that the only real difference between lowsec and nul is the lack of bubbles in low. There needs to be a gradual change from more secure to not secure at all.
Instead of thinking of it as making lowsec more safe lets think of it as making the less secure highsec systems even less secure. Same concept more gradual steps. |
Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
676
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Posted - 2016.08.27 19:06:14 -
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HeXxploiT wrote:Zappity wrote:I think that the description in the OP is how 0.5 systems should work. 100% agree. Really it is the exact same concept. The root of the problem is that the only real difference between lowsec and nul is the lack of bubbles in low. There needs to be a gradual change from more secure to not secure at all. Instead of thinking of it as making lowsec more safe lets think of it as making the less secure highsec systems even less secure. Same concept more gradual steps. I like how the conversation has shifted from the OP's post about bringing more solo *PvP*ers to low-sec to pushing PvEers out of high-sec
Now about luring in those supercapitals...
The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool.
They lay. They rotted. They turned
Around occasionally.
Bits of flesh dropped off them from
Time to time.
And sank into the pool's mire.
They also smelt a great deal.
Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
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