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Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium
8624
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Posted - 2016.08.26 16:22:38 -
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Pilots;
The Arataka Research Consortium is completing final logistical arrangements for the transfer of over 530 thousand samples of Serpentis-modified capital microprocessors to the Caldari State, a cache of advanced technology valued at approximately a quarter of a trillion ISK.
While it had been a desired to distribute this technology more widely, our contractors generally preferred payment in ISK to donation; with ARC purchasing these materials outright, we are under no fiduciary obligation to the Republic or Federation, and feel it would be irresponsible to make a direct transfer to them given that our primary financier has demonstrated a desire to further the StateGÇÖs interests. Sadly, Capsuleer organizations representing these bodies have not demonstrated an interest in establishing competitive programs for their respective states.
Negotiations are on-going for a supplemental technology transfer, using materials gathered by Ishuk-Raata-associated Capsuleers in Syndicate.
I would personally like to thank pilots Avio Yaken, Jaret Victorian and Ollie Rundle for their assistance in this matter. Pilot Yaken was our most prolific direct contractor for this operation, while pilots Victorian and Rundle assisted with our distributed acquisition efforts.
At this time, these materials have been contracted to Odo Hakaalen at the Caldari Executive Panel headquarters in orbit of New Caldari Prime for handling, redistribution, and relicensing. It is our understanding that the State will handle this in a responsible manner, ensuring access to the Amarr Empire and compliance with DED rules on access to military technology.
Please feel free to address any questions or concerns to this thread.
In service, Makoto Priano Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries
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Korsavius
Revenent Defence Corperation
311
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Posted - 2016.08.26 17:01:08 -
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I applaud my colleague Makoto Priano and the ARC for their efforts on these fronts. I look forward to seeing what benefits come from this transfer.
For Ishukone. For the State. |
Ayallah
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
525
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Posted - 2016.08.26 18:01:51 -
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If you were smart you would delete the contract and sell them on open market or keep them for later. Building Serpentis Supercapitals is extraordinarily expensive and is only going to get more so. Especially if you withhold half a million of them from the open market.
You are actually making my life worse right now. |
Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium
8628
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Posted - 2016.08.26 18:04:12 -
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If I said decreasing availability of Serpentis materiel wasn't a happy benefit of this, I'd be lying.
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Wrecking Machine.
6151
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Posted - 2016.08.26 18:39:28 -
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Feel good news in every way.
For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead
in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a
hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
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Zekiel Iyhr
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
46
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Posted - 2016.08.26 19:03:50 -
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Well done. |
Avio Yaken
Sanxing
2233
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Posted - 2016.08.26 20:42:30 -
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Was a pleasure doing business with you Ms.Priano. Hopefully you felt the payment you gave me was worthwhile.
I like happy customers as much as i like the kredits. If theres ever another material ARC requires then perhaps we can do further business.
(.___________________________________________.)/
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Ayallah
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
525
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Posted - 2016.08.26 22:53:15 -
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You already know that it is the Federation that has the most to gain from information on the Serpentis as they are the ones at constant war with them.
May as well deliver intelligence on the Guristas to the Empire. |
Arnulf Ogunkoya
Clan Ogunkoya
148
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Posted - 2016.08.26 23:09:48 -
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Ayallah wrote:You already know that it is the Federation that has the most to gain from information on the Serpentis as they are the ones at constant war with them.
May as well deliver intelligence on the Guristas to the Empire.
I think that might be the point of this.
Given State & Federal authorities are talking to each other these days nothing stops them from bargaining for a share of these items. And improving the State's negotiating position is exactly what a State loyal organisation would be seeking to do, no?
Regards, Arnulf Ogunkoya.
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Ayallah
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
525
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Posted - 2016.08.27 03:55:00 -
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I was mistaken. It was unfair of me to consider -ARC- beholden to the standards of what is best for all as opposed to what is best for themselves and the State. I had no reason to object except maybe some unrealized feeling that -ARC- was the spiritual successor to Arek'Jaalan and should be held to the standards of a neutral entity. They are not and I retract my statement.
It would be just as unfair for Mokoto to ask why I did not fight to defend Home as for me to ask why they do not instead donate to the Federation.
Thank you Arnulf, as always for your clarity. |
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Ibrahim Tash-Murkon
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
661
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Posted - 2016.08.27 04:28:43 -
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The best thing for the Cluster is for these materials to be studied and re-purposed as quickly as possible. ARC facilitated just that.
An analysis of high tech components, understanding of their mechanics, and the expedited production of the resulting technologies? I choose the State to do that work above the other empires any day of the week.
"I give you the destiny of Faith, and you will bring its message to every planet of every star in the heavens: Go forth, conquer in my Name, and reclaim that which I have given." - Book of Reclaiming 22:13
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Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
1324
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Posted - 2016.08.27 04:32:12 -
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Give the materials to the Thukkers and they will make something useful out of them within a month or six. Sure, the result will probably come out brown and rusted and very unsafe-looking but I assure you they won't explode and they will do something.
Whatever that something is.
I don't know.
A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
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Alizabeth Vea
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
799
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Posted - 2016.08.27 07:22:18 -
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Ibrahim Tash-Murkon wrote:The best thing for the Cluster is for these materials to be studied and re-purposed as quickly as possible. ARC facilitated just that.
An analysis of high tech components, understanding of their mechanics, and the expedited production of the resulting technologies? I choose the State to do that work above the other empires any day of the week. My Lord, I will point out that the Empire had the first tactical destroyer and the first FAX hull in production. I am not saying the Caldari are not good at this, just not to sell the Amarr short.
Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.
Caldari by birth; Amarr by choice.
"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I
SFRIM Evocatus.
ARC FC
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Ayallah
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
526
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Posted - 2016.08.27 13:54:56 -
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Ibrahim Tash-Murkon wrote:An analysis of high tech components, understanding of their mechanics, and the expedited production of the resulting technologies? I choose the State to do that work above the other empires any day of the week. It is clear you are not educated on either the function or source of these microprocessors. No analysis needs to be done, their function is apparent and straightforward. The technology used to produce them is in no way limited in scope only in what resources the producer has. The only production of expedited technologies is the production of Serpentis capital ships and the fastest way to ensure that is to put them on the open market so they can be immediately used to do so.
Serpentis Modified Capital Microprocessor: This heavily customized tactical processing unit was designed by Guardian Angel engineers for the use in Serpentis capital ships. It contains special optimizations for improved fire control routines and precise stasis webifier operation.
These are specialized microprocessors with optimized pathways. Nothing more. They are expensive to produce and highly specialized and that makes them a commodity. There is no mystery or secretive technology behind them, they are a specialized tool. A hundred years of research on them would reveal what a two second analysis does: they are processors optimized for a specific function.
Ibrahim Tash-Murkon wrote:The best thing for the Cluster is for these materials to be studied and re-purposed as quickly as possible. ARC facilitated just that. No, they did not. I have already told you there is literally no reason to study them further now use your financial degrees and tell me how storing a commodity in a warehouse is "re-purposing them as quickly as possible." The CEP is not going to start the production of Serpentis capital ships Ibrahim. These processors have one singular function which is what makes them valuable. There is no re-purposing them and there is no faster way to have them put to use than to sell them on open market.
ARC is not facilitating a damn thing. They are not "doing what is best for the cluster." They are doing what is best for the State, The Serpentis and their agents, and the Guardian Angels. They are going to hand the State an un-tracable and deniable commodity or they are going to use them to finance operations or ventures that require payment in forms that do not lead back to the State. If the State is not going to build Serpentis capitals then they are either going to store and sell the microprocessors at a later date or destroy them.
Tell me Ibrahim, Master of Science in Finance. What happens when you take a limited and finite commodity and remove a section from the supply pool? The price of the remaining assets go up.
Who has the most to gain from that. From a highly specialized and highly in demand microprocessor commissioned by the Serpentis and designed and built solely by the Guardian Angels being a more limited commodity? I will give you a hint, Serpentis agents right now are drooling as the price rises. The Guardian Angels are now smiling as their factories produce these microprocessors that are worth more the the fewer they make. The Serpentis are laughing as a capsuleer helps them to reverse the massive financial loss of the offensive against them by making every microprocessor in their warehouses worth more and more every single day.
https://eve-central.com/home/quicklook.html?sethours=24&setminQ=0&typeid=42226
What happens to a market when the supply is limited Ibrahim. What happens to a market when it is flooded with supply. I did not attend Hedion University but even I understand this most simple of concepts when it comes to trading in commodities.
What you, Mokoto, Korsavius, and Pieter are celebrating is the raising of Serpentis stock and the handing of that stock to the State so they can deal with it as they wish under the table. From the Caldari capsuleers who gain from seeing an enemy of the Federation benefit and more deniable funds in the hands of the CEP I expected this.
But from a Master of Science in Finance claiming that this is in the best interests of peace and New Eden I expected condemnation. Not ignorant endorsement. If what they wanted to do was harm the Serpentis they would dump their massive supply on the market and crash the supply. If they wanted to serve the political and financial interests of the State then they would give them 500,000 of them to store and sell. |
Karmilla Strife
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
413
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Posted - 2016.08.27 15:06:27 -
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If the Serpentis wanted to make a profit off of this commodity, there are far more efficient ways to distribute the microprocessors than embed them within their own ships and facilities. As the sole supplier they could just, you know, sell them at whatever price they wanted. |
Ayallah
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
526
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Posted - 2016.08.27 15:15:23 -
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The entire reason they are valuable is because they are ..."embedded" in their ships Karmilla. And they will be selling them at the price they want alongside their ship blueprints.
A price much higher than the price of a bloated supply of them brought on by a major offensive seizing thousands of them from storage locations all over new eden. |
Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium
481
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Posted - 2016.08.27 15:26:12 -
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Ayallah wrote:What you, Mokoto, Korsavius, and Pieter are celebrating is the raising of Serpentis stock and the handing of that stock to the State so they can deal with it as they wish under the table. From the Caldari capsuleers who gain from seeing an enemy of the Federation benefit and more deniable funds in the hands of the CEP I expected this.
But from a Master of Science in Finance claiming that this is in the best interests of peace and New Eden I expected condemnation. Not ignorant endorsement. If what they wanted to do was harm the Serpentis they would dump their massive supply on the market and crash the supply. If they wanted to serve the political and financial interests of the State then they would give them 500,000 of them to store and sell.
So, if I understand you correctly, you suggest this stockpile should be sold on the open market? I don't see how this will help, exactly. Serpentis can already literally print these chips.
We secured a large portion of what was traded recently. We brought it to the State so they could study it and maybe use it against pirates, to protect civilians, to enhance the Navy. I can't see how this is wrong, can you explain it to me?
Ayallah wrote:I was mistaken. It was unfair of me to consider -ARC- beholden to the standards of what is best for all as opposed to what is best for themselves and the State. I had no reason to object except maybe some unrealized feeling that -ARC- was the spiritual successor to Arek'Jaalan and should be held to the standards of a neutral entity. They are not and I retract my statement. Knowledge and information is useless if it just sits there, in the library. You have to use it, transparently, so it can bear fruit. If other parties do not respond to offers or express interest, we should do so ourselves. I would very much like to call a summit on this matter, bring the reps from each Empire and discuss how the information we are willing to share can be exploited to make the cluster we live in a better place. Unfortunately, it doesn't work that way. We are still running around with a solution to Drifter problem while CONCORD asks capsuleers to just throw more bodies at them. See?
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1804
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Posted - 2016.08.27 15:41:26 -
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Jaret Victorian wrote: So, if I understand you correctly, you suggest this stockpile should be sold on the open market? I don't see how this will help, exactly. Serpentis can already literally print these chips.
We secured a large portion of what was traded recently. We brought it to the State so they could study it and maybe use it against pirates, to protect civilians, to enhance the Navy. I can't see how this is wrong, can you explain it to me?
Her alliance tag should tell you everything you need to know. From a purely pragmatic standpoint, I don't disagree with her, either - this directly makes the lives of some nullsec capsuleers harder. I just don't agree that that should matter. We already fling trillions of ISK around out here. We can stand to have it a little challenging when it comes to buying the newest, shiniest toys. |
Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium
481
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Posted - 2016.08.27 15:45:01 -
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Arrendis wrote: Her alliance tag should tell you everything you need to know. From a purely pragmatic standpoint, I don't disagree with her, either - this directly makes the lives of some nullsec capsuleers harder. I just don't agree that that should matter. We already fling trillions of ISK around out here. We can stand to have it a little challenging when it comes to buying the newest, shiniest toys.
Ah yes, I've heard some of you guys blew up some thousands of people in a Keepstar for fun.
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Ayallah
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
527
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Posted - 2016.08.27 15:53:01 -
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Jaret Victorian wrote:So, if I understand you correctly, you suggest this stockpile should be sold on the open market? I don't see how this will help, exactly. Serpentis can already literally print these chips.
We secured a large portion of what was traded recently. We brought it to the State so they could study it and maybe use it against pirates, to protect civilians, to enhance the Navy. I can't see how this is wrong, can you explain it to me?
Knowledge and information is useless if it just sits there, in the library. You have to use it, transparently, so it can bear fruit. If other parties do not respond to offers or express interest, we should do so ourselves. I would very much like to call a summit on this matter, bring the reps from each Empire and discuss how the information we are willing to share can be exploited to make the cluster we live in a better place. Unfortunately, it doesn't work that way. We are still running around with a solution to Drifter problem while CONCORD asks capsuleers to just throw more bodies at them. See?
How is a processor designed solely to operate with Serpentis webifier projectors and fire control systems supposed to be studied and "used against them to enhance the Navy."
What you and the other people blindly supporting this do not seem to understand is what these processors even are. They are in no way special, or unusual, or secret they are specialized and difficult to manufacture without re-tooling. No one else has anything to gain from building them at the scale the Guardian Angels do because they are only effective in serpentis capital ships.
It is like you people found a 4.56 mm diameter wrench and are all marveling at its rarity and wishing to "study it to protect civilians and enhance the navy." when all actuality the only thing its good for is the 4.56mm bolts on Serpentis ships. It is not some mystical advanced and new technology. It is exactly the same thing as the 4.5mm wrenches the Federation use or the 4.0mm wrenches the State uses. It is just meant to do a different thing. No one else makes them because they only work on Serpentis ships
They are valuable because people want to build Serpentis ships. The Serpentis want their ships to be as expensive as possible so they can make the most profit. The only way to harm the Serpentis is this is to flood the market and make them worthless lowering the profit of the Serpentis. The only way to use them is in a Serpentis capital ship.
There is no research, it is a microprocessor. There are microprocessors built with the same principles and the same materials being used in billions of applications all across New Eden. Would you people relish the idea of getting your hands on microprocessors specialized to handle water purification filtration systems to "research?" No. Because you would recognize it is nothing but a specialized part and completely worthless outside the system if fits into. Literally scrap for anything other than its function.
But it is more comforting to think that your shipment of 4.56mm wrenches will somehow win the war against the Serpentis than to face the reality that they only and solely have value if used to loosen or tighten a 4.56mm fastener. Best not look too far into who profits financially by handing over the crate of them you found. |
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Ayallah
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
527
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Posted - 2016.08.27 15:58:40 -
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Arrendis wrote:Her alliance tag should tell you everything you need to know. From a purely pragmatic standpoint, I don't disagree with her, either - this directly makes the lives of some nullsec capsuleers harder. I just don't agree that that should matter. We already fling trillions of ISK around out here. We can stand to have it a little challenging when it comes to buying the newest, shiniest toys. The Microprocessors are less than a percent of the cost of a Vendetta. Less than that for a Vanquisher. The only part of this that matters is they are doing market warfare to raise that cost at the benefit of the Serpentis and questionable State programs that need funding other than from clear and legal sources.
All while convincing themselves there is some "research" to be done and they are doing it in the best interests of New Eden. |
Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium
481
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Posted - 2016.08.27 16:03:45 -
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Ayallah wrote: What you and the other people blindly supporting this do not seem to understand is what these processors even are. They are in no way special, or unusual, or secret they are specialized and difficult to manufacture without re-tooling. No one else has anything to gain from building them at the scale the Guardian Angels do because they are only effective in serpentis capital ships.
That is for engineers to figure out. Do all the wheels looks the same for you? Do you know that gears are basically wheels with denticles?
The subcompact TEBS that surfaced not so long ago are a product of TEBS we utilize. Are they also the same to you? Or were they created by really damn smart people based on the principles they already had? Of course throwing these processors at Navy won't "save people",but there is a lot to study from what pirates produce. The principles that can be uncovered during the tests can in the long run bring aid or a breathrough in a different tech.
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Ayallah
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
527
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Posted - 2016.08.27 16:14:34 -
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You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about and are beyond hope.
They are. Microprocessors. That have been optimized. To work in Serpentis ships.
There is literally nothing about them that is in anyway unclear, secretive, to be learned from, unique, rare, or in need of analysis. CONCORD conducted their analysis and in moments after the first ones were received update everyone's neocom with literally everything about them there is to learn. Serpentis Modified Capital Microprocessor: This heavily customized tactical processing unit was designed by Guardian Angel engineers for the use in Serpentis capital ships. It contains special optimizations for improved fire control routines and precise stasis webifier operation. Jaret Victorian, convinced that the 4.56mm wrench is some stunning breakthrough, continues to believe that further study will lead to results instead of accepting the fact he does not know the implications of what his corporation is doing or what he is looking at.
It is a different sized wrench. |
Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium
481
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Posted - 2016.08.27 16:18:37 -
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I can say the same about you, really. I didn't know my neocom has everything we've dug up on Drifters beyond "yadda yadda, dangerous".
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Korsavius
Revenent Defence Corperation
313
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Posted - 2016.08.27 16:32:01 -
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I would just ignore her, Jaret. Seems years of never leaving her Nyx supplied to her by her overlords has left the capsule ectoplasm a little on the salty side. Big, bad ARC making her life a little harder seems to have increased the salt concentration in the fluids. It is pitiful, really. I've observed her behavior spiral downwards uncontrollably over the years...from passionate and stalwart to frothing at the mouth and spewing vitriol in just about every recent comment she has made on this communication network. |
Ayallah
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
527
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Posted - 2016.08.27 17:19:46 -
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Yes Jaret, a simple tool we know the origin, design and function of is the same caliber of mystery as The Drifter.
Apparently criticizing the poor business decisions of I-RED and the ignorance about what is happening in this thread is a "downwards spiral."
Now if you look to the left you will see I am in Pandemic Legion, who does not subsidize supercapitals for its members and not Goonswarm Federation who does. You probably also know I had the Nyx before I joined PL but as long as you can pick incorrect things to use as ad hominem then you will never have to consider what I am actually saying or confront your feelings about the questionable practices you endorse. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1806
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Posted - 2016.08.27 19:00:19 -
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Ayallah wrote:Now if you look to the left you will see I am in Pandemic Legion, who does not subsidize supercapitals for its members and not Goonswarm Federation who does. You probably also know I had the Nyx before I joined PL
And, in fact, it would have been a requirement to join, having not been grandfathered in during a political acquisition of a corporation like Bat Country. However, it's incorrect to say that we subsidize supercapitals - we don't. We replace supercapitals lost in the service of the Alliance, but there's been no supercapital subsidy for a number of years now.
It is kind of odd to see the argument that optimized microprocessors can't be studied, though. As you say, these things are valuable because microprocessors optimized in this way are limited in supply, and that value is flowing primarily into the hands of the sole producers, the Angel Cartel's Guardian Angels. The methods of optimization can certainly be scrutinized for duplication by State engineers, though of course, the State's never shown any interest in reverse-engineering Republic or Federation webbing technology improvements. Regardless, distributing more of the microprocessors to more engineering labs throughout the State can only hasten any reverse-engineering they care to do, and increase the likelihood that more suppliers will arise to lower prices, funnel profits away from the Angels, and increase supply.
At the same time, the fact that these microprocessors are optimized for one thing doesn't mean that optimization holds no lessons for other optimizations as well. Improved fire control in capital ships might be useful for improved fire control in emplacements, as well, or for enabling the design of battleships that carry what we currently consider to be capital-scale weapons, like scaled-up developments of the Attack Battlecruisers. Pocket Dreadnaughts, as it were. Comparing the optimizations for the effectiveness of the webifiers with similar optimizations in the Republic designs, focusing on the range of the webifier, might lead to the development of far better webbers, or even reliable webbing emplacements intended to speed freight vessels into warp off of a stargate.
There's always something to learn from existing technology. Further study of a particular, exceptional 4.56mm wrench might well provide a window into the means for producing that exceptional wrench, and so improve all wrenches.
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Wrecking Machine.
6154
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Posted - 2016.08.27 19:57:43 -
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Ayallah wrote:Yes Jaret, a simple tool we know the origin, design and function of is the same caliber of mystery as The Drifter.
Apparently criticizing the poor business decisions of I-RED and the ignorance about what is happening in this thread is a "downwards spiral."
Now if you look to the left you will see I am in Pandemic Legion, who does not subsidize supercapitals for its members and not Goonswarm Federation who does. You probably also know I had the Nyx before I joined PL but as long as you can pick incorrect things to use as ad hominem then you will never have to consider what I am actually saying or confront your feelings about the questionable practices you endorse.
Ehhhhh... This is a nice PR exercise, Aya, it doesn't necessarily have to work along lines that make objective sense. Why would ARC not help The State? The only other organisation they would reasonably assist would be the Empire - but only if there are obvious and concrete benefits for the home team.
Seriously though, hearing that something is in the worst interests of nullseccers is usually an indication that it's a sensible thing for an Empire aligned organisation to do. Made it more expensive for you guys to build the shinies that you particularly want this fiscal quarter? Winning!
I'm also of the opinion that even if The State gains no benefit beyond retrofitting a small number of ships to take advantage of these chips, it's still worth doing. Best case? We learn to do something new or something we were already doing cheaper.
For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead
in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a
hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
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Ayallah
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
534
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Posted - 2016.08.27 20:31:28 -
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Arrendis wrote:And, in fact, it would have been a requirement to join, having not been grandfathered in during a political acquisition of a corporation like Bat Country. However, it's incorrect to say that we subsidize supercapitals - we don't. We replace supercapitals lost in the service of the Alliance, but there's been no supercapital subsidy for a number of years now. It is not in fact a requirement to join. I did however assume the supercapital subsidy was a past program not present, I failed to properly express what I meant.
Arrendis wrote:It is kind of odd to see the argument that optimized microprocessors can't be studied, though. As you say, these things are valuable because microprocessors optimized in this way are limited in supply, and that value is flowing primarily into the hands of the sole producers, the Angel Cartel's Guardian Angels. The methods of optimization can certainly be scrutinized for duplication by State engineers, though of course, the State's never shown any interest in reverse-engineering Republic or Federation webbing technology improvements. Regardless, distributing more of the microprocessors to more engineering labs throughout the State can only hasten any reverse-engineering they care to do, and increase the likelihood that more suppliers will arise to lower prices, funnel profits away from the Angels, and increase supply.
At the same time, the fact that these microprocessors are optimized for one thing doesn't mean that optimization holds no lessons for other optimizations as well. Improved fire control in capital ships might be useful for improved fire control in emplacements, as well, or for enabling the design of battleships that carry what we currently consider to be capital-scale weapons, like scaled-up developments of the Attack Battlecruisers. Pocket Dreadnaughts, as it were. Comparing the optimizations for the effectiveness of the webifiers with similar optimizations in the Republic designs, focusing on the range of the webifier, might lead to the development of far better webbers, or even reliable webbing emplacements intended to speed freight vessels into warp off of a stargate.
There's always something to learn from existing technology. Further study of a particular, exceptional 4.56mm wrench might well provide a window into the means for producing that exceptional wrench, and so improve all wrenches.
Reverse engineering the microprocessors has already been done, as I said before they are not any different than a microprocessor optimized to process information from specialized electronic counter measure systems or specialized data processing systems. It is not vanguard technology Arrendis.
I wonder do you think that the State will want to re-tool microprocessor factories that build perhaps, automated transit system regulation processors used in hundreds of star systems by hundreds of corporations so they can dilute the hold the Angel Cartel has on the Serpentis Capital and Supercapital market? What kind of sense does that make? No. they will use them for what they are most valuable as: a commodity easily tradeable for ISK and difficult or impossible to trace.
What is to be learned from them is only what we already know. What is already in use all over New Eden in other Serpentis ships. You like everyone else in this thread is ignoring the fact that a large amount of Serpentis assets are being handed to the State with only the State and Serpentis to gain by pretending these processors are vanguard, unique or proprietary technology. They are in-fact just a specialized and limited supply part.
Tell me what is proprietary and worth researching about the 4.5mm wrench compared to the 4.6mm or compared to the 4.4mm It is not "exceptional" Arrendis. It is a different size. |
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Ehhhhh... This is a nice PR exercise, Aya, it doesn't necessarily have to work along lines that make objective sense. Why would ARC not help The State? The only other organisation they would reasonably assist would be the Empire - but only if there are obvious and concrete benefits for the home team.
Seriously though, hearing that something is in the worst interests of nullseccers is usually an indication that it's a sensible thing for an Empire aligned organisation to do. Made it more expensive for you guys to build the shinies that you particularly want this fiscal quarter? Winning!
I'm also of the opinion that even if The State gains no benefit beyond retrofitting a small number of ships to take advantage of these chips, it's still worth doing. Best case? We learn to do something new or something we were already doing cheaper.
Ayallah wrote:I was mistaken. It was unfair of me to consider -ARC- beholden to the standards of what is best for all as opposed to what is best for themselves and the State. I had no reason to object except maybe some unrealized feeling that -ARC- was the spiritual successor to Arek'Jaalan and should be held to the standards of a neutral entity. They are not and I retract my statement.
It would be just as unfair for Mokoto to ask why I did not fight to defend Home as for me to ask why they do not instead donate to the Federation.
As I already have said. ARC is a Caldari corporation run by a Caldari.
In order to fit ships to use these ultra-specialized ships you would have to build a Serpentis Captial ship. It is a puzzle piece to fit in a single puzzle, it serves no function in any other one and even if you find one that can fit it the image will not be the same. The State will not be doing so I promise you. Maybe half a percent of the sum being transferred could supply every forensic research division in the State ...were that worth doing. ARC did make it more expensive Pieter, to the sole benefit of the Serpentis and Angel Cartel.
I see no one here celebrating the rise in Serpentis stock, no one speculating on what the State might do with a large sum of Contra-microprocessors. I see a gaggle of fools praising the humanitarian and "research" victory made.
How different would your reaction be if I was giving five hundred thousand ORE microprocessors to the Mittani and others claimed I was being a humanitarian and assisting in the fight against piracy as hundreds of miners experienced a sharp increase in price of a limited commodity necessary to build the next generation of ships. |
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