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Impericus
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Posted - 2007.03.15 12:30:00 -
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I read an article on http://www.rpgamer.com/news/Q1-2007/031307b.html regarding updates and future development of this game. Although a great thinks avait us, I got huge disapointed when I got to the end of this article and read this passage:
Quote: A DirectX10 engine is currently being worked on and hopefully will release at or before the expected release of the station-based gameplay in 2008. Now, a DX10 engine means that Vista is also a requirement for the windows version. But XP users don't need to despair, as they will still be able to play the game. They will not, however, have access to the station-based gameplay. Also, at this time, it's unknown if the DX10 graphics and station gameplay will be ported to the OSX and Linux versions mentioned earlier. It seems that, on that front, the ball is in TransGaming's court.
This essentially means that people will need to upgrade to Vista if they are going to have any real fun with the game. I really dont like the thought of shelling out money to support the OS monopoly. Especially after discovering that the grass is really greener on the otherside. Why was it decided to develop the game in directx anyway? If CCP is serious about running this game in years to come they should look into porting the game into openGL environment.
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UndergrounD
Caldari Grumpy Old Farts Gruntfuttocks
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Posted - 2007.03.15 12:35:00 -
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Arent CCP keeping an 'EvE light' version for DX9 users when the DX10 version is released?
Something like that anyways -----------------------------------------------
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Arron S
Gallente Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.03.15 12:36:00 -
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That would be a bad move for CCP. They would lose alot of their player base.
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JabJabVVV
Total Mayhem.
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Posted - 2007.03.15 12:37:00 -
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I think it would be more accurate to say that we are all slaves of Microsoft due to the virtual monopoly they have regarding OS's through windows.
As for needing to upgrade to Vista 'to have any real fun in the game'; you won't lose anything if you don't upgrade but you wont get access to some of the new stuff - if you find the game fun now then you will more than likely find the game fun in the future, you just wont be able to see some of the visual bling that will implemented. Most people will probably turn this off anyway to reduce lag ----------- When I was a n00b, I spake as a n00b, I understood as a n00b, I thought as a n00b: but when I became pr0, I put away n00bish things. |
Fenlaw
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Posted - 2007.03.15 12:38:00 -
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Games have always pushed forward the frontir on hardware and I'm pretty sure you don't have a problem with upgrading your hardware every x-years to get better graphics and be able to play the latest game titles. Why should an operating system be any different?
Windows XP was released in 2002, when the Eve upgrade is released XP will have 6 years on it's back. Direct X 10 won't be released on Windows XP because it uses some of the new features on the Vista platform.
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Lord WarATron
Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.03.15 12:41:00 -
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Translation
2008 sometime, the new station walkabout features will need vista. Rest of eve will work as it does just now.
No big deal. But I am sure people are going complain and threaten to quit eve over features they dont have and wont get till 2008 (which will be 2009 given CCP's history of delays). Thats logic for ya. --
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Gariuys
Evil Strangers Inc.
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Posted - 2007.03.15 12:41:00 -
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Why is that a huge dissapointment... everybody and their mother develop for windows OS... but your dissapointed cause there's companies out there that both develop for windows OS, AND push the boundaries... yeah big dissapointment there.
Everybody will upgrade to Vista and DX10 eventually, CCP just gives a good reason to do so.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.03.15 12:44:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 15/03/2007 12:45:12 CCP are notorious for being Microsoft shills. They use Microsoft server OSs and even ASP server, even though as a result their forums and web server are incredibly unreliable and slow.
I want to know how much Microsoft is paying them for programming the station environment in DirectX10-only code. This is nearly unheard of and absolutely ridiculous.
CCP promised that they would have an equivalent DirectX9 engine that would do everything the DirectX10 engine did, except without some of the extra effects.
Apparently they're a bunch of lying shills.
The irony is that if I really end up needing DX10, I'll end up switching to Linux because WINE will run EVE fine
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Lord WarATron
Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.03.15 12:51:00 -
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Edited by: Lord WarATron on 15/03/2007 12:50:10
Originally by: Dark Shikari CCP promised that they would have an equivalent DirectX9 engine that would do everything the DirectX10 engine did, except without some of the extra effects.
Apparently they're a bunch of lying shills.
I guess Bill Gates has a alt working for CCP then
But seriously, its probebly going to be around 2009/2010 when the station features come out, and by then we will all be on DX10 anyway. And even then someone will find a bug to view Station Avatars in a more..... Amusing manner --
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Pabs Sco
Caldari eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.03.15 12:52:00 -
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Vista sucks and I am glad CCP will keep a DX9 version, if you have ever tried Vista you'll now that on the same PC as XP you get a noticable drop in performance.
Vista is buggy as hell (well it is a M$ product), I've just recently upgraded to a FX7600GS (buget is tight) and I will not be upgrading for atleast 2-3 years and before that I need to upgrade the rest of my PC.
Graphics have nothing to do with the EvE gameplay and I belive the "Station Walkabout" will be nothing more than glorified GFX with very litle extra features.
Vista suck, M$ Suck.... EvE ROCKS! ------
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Larshus Magrus
Chosen Path Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.03.15 12:55:00 -
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After reading the above post I think people are confused about DirectX.
The features that exist in DirectX 10 can, and have already, been implemented in OpenGL. DirectX isnt some wonder technology that is the end-all be-all of gameplay. Its simply one of the 3D API's that exist. It also happens to be Single OS centric, and on top of that, a single version of a single OS centric.
Fact: DirectX 10 is a powerful 3d engine. Fact: OpenGL has been around ALOT longer than DirectX, works on more hardware, more operating systems, and is more extensable than DirectX. Fact: DirectX is more popular because, for the desktop, the average user is computer illiterate and Microsoft capitalizes on this with windows, and bundles DirectX with windows.
Its as simple as that. CCP programs in DirectX because its what 90% of the desktop users have access to. Is it the best technological choice? No. Is it the best marketing choice? Absolutely.
One thing to consider. 5 years ago Microsoft had 97% of the desktops locked up. Today its 90%. Mac and Linux have made inroads, and both 3D systems there are based on OpenGL. In 5 years if Microsoft falls to 80% share, Game companies will have to take notice. (WoW already has... they supply an OpenGL client now) Until that time, enjoy DirectX.
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Scilent Enigma
Minmatar SpearMint Rhino GentleMen's Club
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Posted - 2007.03.15 12:56:00 -
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Well this was a smack in the face, figured CCP was smarter than this now that they are planning to release a MAC and a Linux client aswell. Hope that they get their act together and not shut a large portion of their playerbase out of the new content. (have you seen the price for Vista talk about economic PWNAGE MS style).
Anyway, won't be long before there is a vista emulator capable of handling the client on a Linux computer so no biggie. Still a bit bothering that they are actively supporting the OS monopoly and forces those who wont support it to more or less hack the OS and Client just to be able to play with the new content.
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Maraude Fury
Minmatar Shadow Of The Light R i s e
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Posted - 2007.03.15 12:58:00 -
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Edited by: Maraude Fury on 15/03/2007 12:54:30 I do find this kind of a funny topic overall.
We all update our drivers when needed to get better performance, or better graphics. We upgrade our hardware to get better graphics or better performance, we up grade our software when a new version comes out to get better performance or access to new features.... Why is upgradeing your OS any different.
Personally, I've found that it's better to get a copy of the newest windows OS asap. Why? Becuase then I'll have it for the longest period till the next one comes out.
Yes it'll cost you money, yes it's money that could be spent on other items, but the simple fact is, it'll be worth it as most games made in 2007 and on will be designed for Vista as well as XP. Some of the new ones will be Vista only.
The flip side is we complain about hundreds of bugs in this game, and we KNOW some of them are related to the ancient code in this game that is designed to support older OS's/Drivers/Hardware. So when they come along and write new code from the ground up, useing the newest OS and the newest DX, why do people complain?
You don't want to buy Vista? Then don't. But this won't be the first time you find something that will be vista only. We'll start seeing that more and more over the comeing months.
Maraude Fury Shadow Of The Light .SOL.
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Impericus
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Posted - 2007.03.15 12:58:00 -
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When win 95 came out Bill Gates touted that the win platform would be "the" gaming platform and the motivation was their revolutionary Directx engine. This was nothing but a gimmic to lock the gaiming develoment into one OS.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.03.15 13:01:00 -
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The really funny thing is that CCP is making a Linux and OS X client, which should help about 5% of their users, but noooo they can't make a Windows XP compatible client, locking out 80% of their users
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Impericus
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Posted - 2007.03.15 13:03:00 -
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Originally by: Maraude Fury Edited by: Maraude Fury on 15/03/2007 12:54:30 I do find this kind of a funny topic overall.
We all update our drivers when needed to get better performance, or better graphics. We upgrade our hardware to get better graphics or better performance, we up grade our software when a new version comes out to get better performance or access to new features.... Why is upgradeing your OS any different. .
Because i dont use MS OS anymore.... and I dont intend to support them.
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hired goon
Infinite Improbability Inc Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.03.15 13:04:00 -
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What... the hell?
No station walking without giving your computer over to Vista?
CCP is the kind of company I'd expect to have an OpenGL base! What is going on? Does this mean the official Linux client will be the DirectX 9 version? I've heard DirectX 10 will be able to be emulated on Linux though?
Another question: Is the only reason DirectX 10 is Vista only, because of Microsoft Monopoly? Or is there some technical reason that mean it is unable to run on XP/Linux?
The main reaso I've stayed with Eve over the years has mostly to do with the attitude of CCP... they're not some faceless corporation out to milk users of moneys using the MMOG business formula. But if this Microsoft-only DirectX 10 non-openGL crap doesn't take a turn at some point, I'll be forced to hold CCP in a new light, and therefore look at other MMOG offerings as a more tangible alternative. -omg-
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Fenlaw
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Posted - 2007.03.15 13:04:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari The really funny thing is that CCP is making a Linux and OS X client, which should help about 5% of their users, but noooo they can't make a Windows XP compatible client, locking out 80% of their users
Thats just stupid. I'm sorry. It's not about supporting two version of the operating system its about supporting two version of the graphics API. And they are supporting both windows xp and windows vista but they will remove some features, which won't have a huge impact on game play, from one of the versions since the graphics api on the old version doesn't give them the same abilities as with the new version.
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Banana Torres
The Green Banana Corporation Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.15 13:06:00 -
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I support the move to Windows Vista and DX10.
Vista is by far and away the best OS in the world just now. It makes OS X and linux look like they belong in the last millenium.
DX10 is awesome. I can't wait for real software to support it.
Banana kisses her 8800s.
The Green Banana Corporation is Recruiting
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hired goon
Infinite Improbability Inc Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.03.15 13:08:00 -
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Originally by: Maraude Fury Edited by: Maraude Fury on 15/03/2007 12:54:30 I do find this kind of a funny topic overall.
We all update our drivers when needed to get better performance, or better graphics. We upgrade our hardware to get better graphics or better performance, we up grade our software when a new version comes out to get better performance or access to new features.... Why is upgradeing your OS any different.
Personally, I've found that it's better to get a copy of the newest windows OS asap. Why? Becuase then I'll have it for the longest period till the next one comes out.
Yes it'll cost you money, yes it's money that could be spent on other items, but the simple fact is, it'll be worth it as most games made in 2007 and on will be designed for Vista as well as XP. Some of the new ones will be Vista only.
The flip side is we complain about hundreds of bugs in this game, and we KNOW some of them are related to the ancient code in this game that is designed to support older OS's/Drivers/Hardware. So when they come along and write new code from the ground up, useing the newest OS and the newest DX, why do people complain?
You don't want to buy Vista? Then don't. But this won't be the first time you find something that will be vista only. We'll start seeing that more and more over the comeing months.
Because 'upgrading' to Vista, is actually a downgrade? It locks you out of your own system - in a way no other operating system has done before - so it's not a run-of-the-mill 'upgrade'.
And FORCING you to upgrade because some games are Vista Only is not a reason to upgrade! It's a reason NOT to! How can you let microsoft take utter control like this? You lay down now, you think this will be the end?! They'll take more and more if you don't at some point take a bloomin stand!! -omg-
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Trapted
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.03.15 13:10:00 -
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Stop bashing vista for god sake,
Whos actually used a retail copy? and not some RC?
I personal use vista hp on my machine atm and I find it yes less reponsive in terms of performence but it doesn't take a brain surgion to work out whats going on if you look at memory usuage, turn the sidebar, desktop manager, antyhing else that you fancy if you want to retain the same performance as XP for the time being.
While i wouldn't recommend anyone to upgrade to vista just for the sake of it, its not as bad as people are making it out to be.
PS
I run vista of a 8800 GTX and had 0 ZERO issue with driver support and haven't found any bugs yet that affect my computer habits.
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hired goon
Infinite Improbability Inc Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.03.15 13:11:00 -
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Originally by: Banana Torres I support the move to Windows Vista and DX10.
Vista is by far and away the best OS in the world just now. It makes OS X and linux look like they belong in the last millenium.
DX10 is awesome. I can't wait for real software to support it.
Banana kisses her 8800s.
Some of us are technically minded enough to want to build and understand our own computers; that's why we bought a PC and not an Xcube Consolestation 4.
We, the Builders of Computers, do not wish to be told what we can and can't do with the computer we bought unless Microsoft pay us for the privellege. -omg-
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Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.03.15 13:12:00 -
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Originally by: Trapted Stop bashing vista for god sake
Vista is only a decent OS if you ignore the fact that installing it basically surrenders control of your computer to Microsoft.
I prefer to own my own box, thank you.
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Atreus Minmatarius
Port Royal Independent Kontractors Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.03.15 13:13:00 -
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you guys do know how fast ccp is moving with such things right? it is going to be a loooonnnnggggg time. By the time they are done with that content everyone who is running pc will already be on vista...
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.03.15 13:14:00 -
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Nothing to worry.
CCP is about to release a Mac client. What makes you think CCP will force us to use Vista? --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria!
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hired goon
Infinite Improbability Inc Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.03.15 13:14:00 -
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Originally by: Atreus Minmatarius you guys do know how fast ccp is moving with such things right? it is going to be a loooonnnnggggg time. By the time they are done with that content everyone who is running pc will already be on vista...
Or linux :) -omg-
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Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.03.15 13:14:00 -
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Originally by: Atreus Minmatarius you guys do know how fast ccp is moving with such things right? it is going to be a loooonnnnggggg time. By the time they are done with that content everyone who is running pc will already be on vista...
The point is not about people who don't have Vista, but those who don't want to voluntarily give over full control of their computer to an abusive monopoly that will tell them what programs they can and can't run, what drivers they can and can't use, and what videos they can and can't play.
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4rc4ng3L
Gallente Eternal Rising EternalRising
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Posted - 2007.03.15 13:17:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Atreus Minmatarius you guys do know how fast ccp is moving with such things right? it is going to be a loooonnnnggggg time. By the time they are done with that content everyone who is running pc will already be on vista...
The point is not about people who don't have Vista, but those who don't want to voluntarily give over full control of their computer to an abusive monopoly that will tell them what programs they can and can't run, what drivers they can and can't use, and what videos they can and can't play.
Well then dont... your not being forced to!
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Atreus Minmatarius
Port Royal Independent Kontractors Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.03.15 13:18:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Atreus Minmatarius you guys do know how fast ccp is moving with such things right? it is going to be a loooonnnnggggg time. By the time they are done with that content everyone who is running pc will already be on vista...
The point is not about people who don't have Vista, but those who don't want to voluntarily give over full control of their computer to an abusive monopoly that will tell them what programs they can and can't run, what drivers they can and can't use, and what videos they can and can't play.
ok, i get that and i agree... but with time xp will become obsolete, microsoft will stop supporting it and releasing patches and fixes and such and at a point you will have no choice but to switch to vista...
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Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.03.15 13:19:00 -
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Originally by: 4rc4ng3L
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Atreus Minmatarius you guys do know how fast ccp is moving with such things right? it is going to be a loooonnnnggggg time. By the time they are done with that content everyone who is running pc will already be on vista...
The point is not about people who don't have Vista, but those who don't want to voluntarily give over full control of their computer to an abusive monopoly that will tell them what programs they can and can't run, what drivers they can and can't use, and what videos they can and can't play.
Well then dont... your not being forced to!
Apparently CCP disagrees. They want to lock us out of a considerable new portion of the game just because we choose to keep control of our own computers.
Of course I could install Linux and use WINE to play EVE, which would be pretty ironic considering the whole point of this is to lock us into Microsoft products
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