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Xrak
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.03.15 14:11:00 -
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Quit your moaning. CCP is doing what most game developers are doing, using the new technology that is available to them and moving forward. By the time Ambulation even comes to frutition I dare a large percent of people will have moved over to Vista. It really doesnt matter what any of you do personnally, it only matters what the masses do, and they are going to move to Vista.
Originally by: Empress Aphrodite ("don't flush it yet - let's freshen up the room a little")
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Stogee
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.03.15 14:12:00 -
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Originally by: hired goon What... the hell? The main reaso I've stayed with Eve over the years has mostly to do with the attitude of CCP... they're not some faceless corporation out to milk users of moneys using the MMOG business formula.
Oh dear, I havent laughed so hard in ages
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Trilliam Blackthorn
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Posted - 2007.03.15 14:12:00 -
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Quote: Then why are CCP making clients for both Linux and OS X, but refuse to make one for Windows XP?
Seems like a solid business decision to me, actually. Why spend limited resources into building tools based on soon-to-be outdated technology? Let's face it, CCP isn't pulling in the kind of $$$ that WOW is....therefore, they simply HAVE to develop future versions for the largest possible user base.
Is DX10 superior to OpenGL - I doubt it. Will it offer the greatest chance of MAXIMUM compatibility and support from ahrdware/software makers? Definitely.
I also use OSX - and yes, I find it superior in almost every way to vista. But, until Steve Jobs wakes up and realizes he would make far more by releasing his OS as a stand-alone product that runs on any x86 compatible system then by tying it to his paltry 2-3% market share of overpriced hardware, then we're stuck with windows. Apple's OS will never penetrate the market sufficiently to compete with MS until they unbuckle it from their hardware. Further....the "average" computer user (i.e. the non-techie main stream) isn't interested in having to run "emulators" to get stuff to work. They could care less about the MS monopoly - they want to "point, click, & play".
Having said that I think people tend to forget that this is, first and foremost, a business. While it's all well and good to spout high-minded ideals about "not supporting the MS monopoly", it wouldn't exactly make sound financial sense to spend valuable development funds on a operating system that IS going to be replaced by the vast majority of computer users over the next 2-3 years.
How would you have liked to be the last company making buggy whips when cars began to dominate personal transportation?
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Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.03.15 14:12:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 15/03/2007 14:11:10
Originally by: Fi T'Zeh DS that is indeed a terrifying document, and what I understand of it (which is about 70% of the terminology and 90% of the implications) seems incredibly screwy. BUT.
Allow me this hypothesis, lets assume that the ONLY thing I use my PC for is playing games, forum whoring and working and playing the odd mp3. And that I own a nice big telly and a DVD player for watching most of the described premium content. Is Vista going to be bad for me? Or is it going to make the games I want to play even prettier with DX10 etc.
(This isn't actually a hypothesis, basically my PC is a console with a keyboard. Admittedly it's a console with a keyboard that i built myself, but I've never wanted to watch a movie on a 19" screen...)
Read about Trusted Computing.
Its the next step. Its purpose is so that you cannot run any program that Microsoft has not approved.
But yes, you are correct; if you don't watch any protected videos (Note that Microsoft wants all videos to be protected in their format, not just HD-DVD), it won't affect you that much. At least until they patch all copies of Vista with Trusted Computing and you can no longer run Firefox because its not Microsoft-Approved.
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Agent Lemming
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Posted - 2007.03.15 14:19:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Victor Valka Like it or not, Windows the the most popular desktop OS at this point in time and CCP is going where the money is. Can't say I blame them. Even if I don't agree with their decisions in which I have no part in.
Then why are CCP making clients for both Linux and OS X, but refuse to make one for Windows XP?
Your argument makes no sense.
Who's to say that the Linux & OS X clients will also contain the station walking gameplay. The article mentioned by the OP says that it is unknown if the stuff needing DX10 will get ported across too...
It may well end up that the XP, Linux and OS X clients have the same gameplay, and that only the DX10 client will have the extra features.
I guess it will depend partly on DX10 being emulated on Linux and OS X...
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hired goon
Infinite Improbability Inc Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.03.15 14:19:00 -
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Originally by: Auman
Please. Every major software comapany in the world will phase out old versions and present their customers with the choice (as you put it) "upgrade or die".
Making things up to support your arguement is stupid.
Right.
Except in most cases, 'up'grading implies you're getting something better. -omg-
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hired goon
Infinite Improbability Inc Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.03.15 14:21:00 -
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Originally by: Stogee
Originally by: hired goon What... the hell? The main reaso I've stayed with Eve over the years has mostly to do with the attitude of CCP... they're not some faceless corporation out to milk users of moneys using the MMOG business formula.
Oh dear, I havent laughed so hard in ages
I don't understand. Are you implying that they are?
Enjoy your Blizzard Software. -omg-
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Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.03.15 14:21:00 -
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Originally by: Agent Lemming
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Victor Valka Like it or not, Windows the the most popular desktop OS at this point in time and CCP is going where the money is. Can't say I blame them. Even if I don't agree with their decisions in which I have no part in.
Then why are CCP making clients for both Linux and OS X, but refuse to make one for Windows XP?
Your argument makes no sense.
Who's to say that the Linux & OS X clients will also contain the station walking gameplay. The article mentioned by the OP says that it is unknown if the stuff needing DX10 will get ported across too...
It may well end up that the XP, Linux and OS X clients have the same gameplay, and that only the DX10 client will have the extra features.
I guess it will depend partly on DX10 being emulated on Linux and OS X...
I heard that the WINE team said they should be able to get it working within 6 months.
Which would mean we'd probably have it working flawlessly on Linux long before the station walking patch is finished...
/makes a joke about CCP and glaciers
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Fi T'Zeh
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.03.15 14:21:00 -
[69]
Thx for the honest reply. ....
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Fenlaw
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Posted - 2007.03.15 14:22:00 -
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Just one more thing I forgot. You do know that its the entertainment (music, video, games and so on) are the ones wanting DRM right? This isn't something Microsoft woke up one day and decided to work towards (yes thats right, towards. Vista is far from what the paladium vision is all about). And to implement DRM such at HDCP all the equipment, that is everything from the dvd in your computer to the monitor its being viewed on, has to be HDCP compliant? Wonder why the x-box isn't hdcp compliant.. it does have the optional hd-dvd player..... makes you wonder doesn't it
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Ealiom
Blackhole Entry Point
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Posted - 2007.03.15 14:24:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari I don't like arguing with people who don't know any facts about the issue and base all their posts on predisposed assumptions.
Have you actually seen an official post from CCP yet stating 100% that they will NOT be making 'walking in stations' available too DX9 users?
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Herculite
Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.03.15 14:24:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Read this. It will scare you.
I'm going to be building two computers in the next few months, starting with one for my wife. Looks like I need to look into linux at least as a dual boot.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.03.15 14:25:00 -
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Originally by: Ealiom
Originally by: Dark Shikari I don't like arguing with people who don't know any facts about the issue and base all their posts on predisposed assumptions.
Have you actually seen an official post from CCP yet stating 100% that they will NOT be making 'walking in stations' available too DX9 users?
Nope. I trust the article originally posted, but its quite possible you're right, and CCP actually does plan to make it and that the article is just BSing.
So honestly until we get a response from CCP we're probably working ourselves up a bit too much.
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Ealiom
Blackhole Entry Point
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Posted - 2007.03.15 14:29:00 -
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Edited by: Ealiom on 15/03/2007 14:26:13
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Ealiom
Originally by: Dark Shikari I don't like arguing with people who don't know any facts about the issue and base all their posts on predisposed assumptions.
Have you actually seen an official post from CCP yet stating 100% that they will NOT be making 'walking in stations' available too DX9 users?
Nope. I trust the article originally posted, but its quite possible you're right, and CCP actually does plan to make it and that the article is just BSing.
So honestly until we get a response from CCP we're probably working ourselves up a bit too much.
And that is the most sensible thing said in this thread!
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Qolde
Minmatar Rising Knights SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.15 14:33:00 -
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Originally by: Fi T'Zeh
Allow me this hypothesis, lets assume that the ONLY thing I use my PC for is playing games, forum whoring and working and playing the odd mp3. And that I own a nice big telly and a DVD player for watching most of the described premium content. Is Vista going to be bad for me? Or is it going to make the games I want to play even prettier with DX10 etc.
First of all, believe it or not, the big telly, and DVD player are part of the evil plan, but it's another story. Playing the occasional mp3 might be a problem eventually because the software, and the mp3 itself will be considered insecure data, and unauthorized programming code. This will either shut down a large portion of programs running on your computer automatically, or not run at all.
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Ionia
Advanced Manufacturing
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Posted - 2007.03.15 14:34:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
CCP has said over and over there will be two new engines, one DX10 and one DX9.
Two new engines? that would be silly since their current one is already DX9. They have said that they would have two versions, they are making a new DX10 engine.
Check out the System Requirements
Originally by: Dark Shikari
All they're doing here is locking out a new feature, on the request of Microsoft
Are you serious? really... that is just insulting to CCP, and absolutely unfounded.
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Fenlaw
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Posted - 2007.03.15 14:39:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari So honestly until we get a response from CCP we're probably working ourselves up a bit too much.[/quote
LOL thats what we've been saying from the start long before you decided to turn this into an anti-Microsoft crusade.
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Miss Anthropy
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2007.03.15 14:39:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 15/03/2007 14:11:10
Originally by: Fi T'Zeh DS that is indeed a terrifying document, and what I understand of it (which is about 70% of the terminology and 90% of the implications) seems incredibly screwy. BUT.
Allow me this hypothesis, lets assume that the ONLY thing I use my PC for is playing games, forum whoring and working and playing the odd mp3. And that I own a nice big telly and a DVD player for watching most of the described premium content. Is Vista going to be bad for me? Or is it going to make the games I want to play even prettier with DX10 etc.
(This isn't actually a hypothesis, basically my PC is a console with a keyboard. Admittedly it's a console with a keyboard that i built myself, but I've never wanted to watch a movie on a 19" screen...)
Read about Trusted Computing.
Its the next step. Its purpose is so that you cannot run any program that Microsoft has not approved.
But yes, you are correct; if you don't watch any protected videos (Note that Microsoft wants all videos to be protected in their format, not just HD-DVD), it won't affect you that much. At least until they patch all copies of Vista with Trusted Computing and you can no longer run Firefox because its not Microsoft-Approved.
I suspect that last sentence is an exaggeration. For starters, the EU has been on MS's back constanty because of it's monopolising tactics. I don't doubt the Commission will be watching Vista over the months for more tactics like this. Secondly, companies like Google, Mozilla, etc, who make software for Windows would end up suing M$ if they pulled a stunt like disabling their software simply because M$ wanted peeps to use the M$ branded version.
What M$ are aiming to do is to root out piracy. The Trusted Software ideology as discussed here is aimed at pirated software. M$ would NOT get away with killing off other software companies. The notion that M$ would go so far as to make other software companies obsolete is created by scaremongers and malcontents.
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Ashaz
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Posted - 2007.03.15 14:41:00 -
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Originally by: Gariuys Everybody will upgrade to Vista and DX10 eventually, CCP just gives a good reason to do so.
As some wise man said before. Just bechause X was released after Y doesn't mean it's an uppgrade.
Sure DX10 is probably better, but Vista? hopefully by then there will be some alternative to that abomination.
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Mechanikus
Gallente Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.15 14:48:00 -
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Vista sucks hard, and Microsoft has been working hard to find every angle they can to force people to "upgrade" to their "better" new OS. There are other game titles that Microsoft has been working on that will be Vista only. Its complete and total BS. Regardless of that fact, I don't own any Direct X10 Vid cards, and I don't plan on buying any in the near future unless the price drops dramatically, and then again, I don't want Vista so prob. won't mess with it.
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Rainhailer
Gallente Resurrection R i s e
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Posted - 2007.03.15 14:50:00 -
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Vista is great. I have seen no difference in running Eve.
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Vladimir Ilych
Gradient
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Posted - 2007.03.15 14:55:00 -
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Man this thread is dull. It is like listening to a bunch of people from different religions arguing over whose God is "real".
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4rc4ng3L
Gallente Eternal Rising EternalRising
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Posted - 2007.03.15 14:56:00 -
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BOTTOM LINE!!!!!
Vista and directX10 'WILL' provide a better gaming experience than ever before, better use of hardware/software and acrhitecture. Not to mention the graphical improvements than can be achieved. THEREFORE, regardless of whether you lie Vista or not it IS better for the furture of games becuse of what it introduces.... and when it f*****g comes down to it, EVE IS A GAME!!!! CCP want to make a better GAME, if you absolute *****tards want to moan over(boo hoo, me dont wana use crappy ol Vista...cry, cry, cry) then dont play the dam game. CCP DOESNT WANT TO PLEASE THE MICROSOFT HATERS/LOVERS. THEY WANT TO MAKE BETTER GAMES.....Vista and DX10 allow that.
So grow up....
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Ealiom
Blackhole Entry Point
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Posted - 2007.03.15 14:57:00 -
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Originally by: Vladimir Ilych Man this thread is dull. It is like listening to a bunch of people from different religions arguing over whose God is "real".
Mines is the realist!
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Vladimir Ilych
Gradient
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Posted - 2007.03.15 15:01:00 -
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Originally by: Ealiom
Originally by: Vladimir Ilych Man this thread is dull. It is like listening to a bunch of people from different religions arguing over whose God is "real".
Mines is the realist!
Ah. Glory to those touched by the noodley apendage!
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Laura Baretta
Minmatar Caelestis Caedes
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Posted - 2007.03.15 15:02:00 -
[86]
I remember the outrage when Game developers announced they would in the future only program for Windows 95 platform and not for DOS anymore.
And look where we are now
Nothing new here hehe
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Impericus
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Posted - 2007.03.15 15:02:00 -
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The only reason MS is not supporting DX10 on xp is to force ppl to change to Vista. And they will manage since they are holding all the big hardware vendors HP, Dell and Lenovo by the ballls. Some of the younger generation here forget actually how MS got to become the biggest software OS on the market. It was not through fair market play if people think so. One good example is the BeOS system that was completely killed by MS (its a good story to read). The essence of it was that MS threatened every hardware vendor that planed to bundle the BeOS on their computers.
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Impericus
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Posted - 2007.03.15 15:02:00 -
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The only reason MS is not supporting DX10 on xp is to force ppl to change to Vista. And they will manage since they are holding all the big hardware vendors HP, Dell and Lenovo by the ballls. Some of the younger generation here forget actually how MS got to become the biggest software OS on the market. It was not through fair market play if people think so. One good example is the BeOS system that was completely killed by MS (its a good story to read). The essence of it was that MS threatened every hardware vendor that planed to bundle the BeOS on their computers.
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Qolde
Minmatar Rising Knights SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.15 15:03:00 -
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Let me put it in terms you can understand for sure. Some of you will obviously disagree with this because, well, I'm talking about you.
Microsoft/Intel/all the media companies and the Trusted Computing Group can be compared to BoB. They want to control all access to data, like BoB wants 0.0 space. You can lie down and pay their exorbitant tax, or forever be on their hit list. You can be one of the people who say,"Oh well, so what, I can afford the cost of liberty to be comfortable*, so I will pay the tax." First they took out your neighbors, and rarely came knocking at your door. You said, this is fine, I can still mine veld over here without really having to fight them. Now they are your neighbors, and next is your space. Your music, your text documents, your internet connection are all being spied on by Windows Media Player, WGA, the indexing service, and Windows itself, kind of like how BoB has spies in every major 0.0 alliance. They kill your titans while you're asleep. It catalogs your files while you're not looking and tracks your internet usage, even when you set it to delete your tracks, the data is still there. They lie about their product, and spread FUD(fear, uncertainty, and doubt) about other Corporations, and they even cheat to win. :P Is this what you want me to upgrade to?
* "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin
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Argenton Sayvers
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Posted - 2007.03.15 15:05:00 -
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Originally by: Miss Anthropy
What M$ are aiming to do is to root out piracy. The Trusted Software ideology as discussed here is aimed at pirated software. M$ would NOT get away with killing off other software companies. The notion that M$ would go so far as to make other software companies obsolete is created by scaremongers and malcontents.
Exactly, microsoft would not kill the software of other CORPORATIONS. However, every piece of software that doesnt implement extremely restrictive Controlls leaves the door wide open for piracy.
Open source -> piracy, because people who know how to code and are not chained in corporate structure can write evil code
Firefox -> Piracy / terrorism, because browsers that dont support censorship can be used to download pirate software / manuals how to code it etc
Sounds "tin foil"? Well, in the last decade, things i never thought possible happened to the defenders of freedom.
Noone here cares what the big $$$ can and cannot do in the future, everyone is worried about our rights.
Originally by: Vladimir Ilych Man this thread is dull. It is like listening to a bunch of people from different religions arguing over whose God is "real".
Some religious people love their believe and want to convince other people by word and deed. Some hate those who dont share their believes, and want to convert them with torture and terror. And there are those who dont care, and just want to be left alone. Those usually shout "hail leader" the loudest when the zealots rise to power, and outdo them in cleansing their neighbours for having the wrong hair color marking them as "lesser humans".
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