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CCP Falcon
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Posted - 2016.08.30 15:23:18 -
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Greetings capsuleers!
Today, we are happy to announce a new change thatGÇÖs coming to EVE Online in November that will fundamentally change New Eden, and how our pilots access it via the EVE client.
In short, cloning scientists in New Eden have developed a new method of cloning that revolves around two new clone states, Alpha and Omega. Omega clones will be familiar to all our current players, and will operate just like a subscribed character does today. Alpha clones will be accessible for free, without subscription, and will be capable of training an assigned set of skills themed to a characterGÇÖs race.
A Dev Blog has been published by Team Size Matters today with more details on this feature, and a questions and answers section where we look to clear up some initial concerns and questions regarding this change.
CCP Falcon || EVE Universe Community Manager || @CCP_Falcon
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Tweety Bird
Tackled In Belt xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx
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Posted - 2016.08.31 14:12:22 -
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Welcome back poors! |
ArmyOfMe
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2016.08.31 14:15:30 -
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First page \o/
Great news, and i hope it will bring in a lot more new players, something this game needs.
ArmyOfMe wrote:
1) If you get bumped then that webber wont do anything.
baltec1 wrote:
We use the exact same tactic for titans and they enter warp instantly.
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Thomas Molijnr
Adversity. Psychotic Tendencies.
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Posted - 2016.08.31 14:16:20 -
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No stop this madmess |
Ginger Naari
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.08.31 14:16:35 -
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So ftp is here? I'm so glad I paid my subs all this time. |
Vic Vorlon
Aideron Robotics
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Posted - 2016.08.31 14:17:33 -
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I predict this will cause barely a ruffled feather, with perhaps one or two minor questions.
Or, y'know, a threadnought that blocks out the sun.
I like the idea, let's try it and see what happens! |
Nicolai Serkanner
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
533
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Posted - 2016.08.31 14:17:42 -
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I can not believe CCP takes this path. One example: have multiple T1 ganker clones for free. Another one: have dozens of T1 mining alts emptying belts faster than they can spawn.
What are you thinking CCP?
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Querns
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2016.08.31 14:19:25 -
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Regarding this question in the Q&A:
Quote: Q: Are there restrictions on simultaneous log on for Alpha Clones?
It seems pretty obvious that you should NOT allow multiple alpha clones to be logged in simultaneously from one computer. Allowing this means that I, with a sufficiently powerful computer, can spin up a functionally unlimited number of characters with Mining Frigate trained, and use them to mine unburdened by the PLEX cost that would apply today. This would have the effect of reducing the cost of minerals to, functionally, zero, completely ruining a moderately healthy style of PVE.
This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
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Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2016.08.31 14:21:57 -
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Alpha clones must NOT be able to light any form of cyno. If not, every single low and null system will have a cloaky alpha clone sitting in it.
I am not normally against cloaky campers (i advocate just dealing with them if they decloak), but FREE cloaky campers? Hell no, every cloaky camper that exists represents a sub or plex and the opportunity costs associated with that. FREE cloakys destroy that.
I know what CCP is trying to achieve. What they will actually achieve is just a bunch of new Tech1 fitted Navy Vexors (don't even need 5 mil SP for that) for veterans. Even if they try the same thing they do with trial accounts (can't be used with paid accounts), there are ways around that.
Think long and hard on this one CCP, you actually can mess up a lot if you don't do this one right. |
Zifrian
Distortion. Amplified.
1760
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Posted - 2016.08.31 14:23:30 -
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This is fantastic, nice work! The ftp model is a thing of mmos now and I glad to see you found a great way to implement it and keep sub services. We need more blood into the game and I think this is a big chance to make that happen. Well done.
Concerns:
Industry and trading - It looks like you should be able to limit this with skills so it's not a big issue from what I can see. You need people to be able to do it but it can't be just a way for alt industry farms of multiple traders.
Ganking: you gotta nip this in the bud now. I say lock them into green agression. You simply can't attack someone without them aggressions you first.
Otherwise, again, very good change.
GÇ£Any fool can criticize, condemn, and complain - and most fools do.GÇ¥ - Dale Carnegie
Industry guy, third-party developer, jack-of-all-trades - master of none
Maximze your Industry Potential! - Download EVE Isk per Hour!
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Querns
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2016.08.31 14:23:37 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Alpha clones must NOT be able to light any form of cyno. If not, every single low and null system will have a cloaky alpha clone sitting in it.
I am not normally against cloaky campers (i advocate just dealing with them if they decloak), but FREE cloaky campers? Hell no, every cloaky camper that exists represents a sub or plex and the opportunity costs associated with that. FREE cloakys destroy that.
I know what CCP is trying to achieve. What they will actually achieve is just a bunch of new Tech1 fitted Navy Vexors (don't even need 5 mil SP for that) for veterans. Even if they try the same thing they do with trial accounts (can't be used with paid accounts), there are ways around that.
Think long and hard on this one CCP, you actually can mess up a lot if you don't do this one right. Read the post; Cynosural Field Theory is not on the list of skills allowed to be trained by alpha clones and is in fact listed specifically as a barred skill.
This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
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Hendrick Tallardar
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
482
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Posted - 2016.08.31 14:23:58 -
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So does this mean Free Trial links/referrals are going away? |
Zifrian
Distortion. Amplified.
1760
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Posted - 2016.08.31 14:24:17 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Alpha clones must NOT be able to light any form of cyno. If not, every single low and null system will have a cloaky alpha clone sitting in it.
I am not normally against cloaky campers (i advocate just dealing with them if they decloak), but FREE cloaky campers? Hell no, every cloaky camper that exists represents a sub or plex and the opportunity costs associated with that. FREE cloakys destroy that.
I know what CCP is trying to achieve. What they will actually achieve is just a bunch of new Tech1 fitted Navy Vexors (don't even need 5 mil SP for that) for veterans. Even if they try the same thing they do with trial accounts (can't be used with paid accounts), there are ways around that.
Think long and hard on this one CCP, you actually can mess up a lot if you don't do this one right. The skills list already limits this - they can't train them or use them if they go alpha from omega.
GÇ£Any fool can criticize, condemn, and complain - and most fools do.GÇ¥ - Dale Carnegie
Industry guy, third-party developer, jack-of-all-trades - master of none
Maximze your Industry Potential! - Download EVE Isk per Hour!
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ISD Max Trix
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2016.08.31 14:24:32 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Alpha clones must NOT be able to light any form of cyno. If not, every single low and null system will have a cloaky alpha clone sitting in it.
I am not normally against cloaky campers (i advocate just dealing with them if they decloak), but FREE cloaky campers? Hell no, every cloaky camper that exists represents a sub or plex and the opportunity costs associated with that. FREE cloakys destroy that.
I know what CCP is trying to achieve. What they will actually achieve is just a bunch of new Tech1 fitted Navy Vexors (don't even need 5 mil SP for that) for veterans. Even if they try the same thing they do with trial accounts (can't be used with paid accounts), there are ways around that.
Think long and hard on this one CCP, you actually can mess up a lot if you don't do this one right.
They can not train Cyno skills or cloaking. Much less use the modules.
ISD Max Trix
Lieutenant
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
I do not respond to Evemails.
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BuntCakez
ZOMBIEBEACHPARTYPATROL
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Posted - 2016.08.31 14:24:39 -
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I actually think that EVE is probably the only MMO that can successfully pull off the F2P model. With sufficient limits on the Alpha clones, they will not be able to disturb the current state of the game in an undesirable fashion :) |
TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
1257
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Posted - 2016.08.31 14:25:44 -
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let's all get mad about nothing |
ArmyOfMe
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2016.08.31 14:26:31 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Alpha clones must NOT be able to light any form of cyno. If not, every single low and null system will have a cloaky alpha clone sitting in it.
I am not normally against cloaky campers (i advocate just dealing with them if they decloak), but FREE cloaky campers? Hell no, every cloaky camper that exists represents a sub or plex and the opportunity costs associated with that. FREE cloakys destroy that.
I know what CCP is trying to achieve. What they will actually achieve is just a bunch of new Tech1 fitted Navy Vexors (don't even need 5 mil SP for that) for veterans. Even if they try the same thing they do with trial accounts (can't be used with paid accounts), there are ways around that.
Think long and hard on this one CCP, you actually can mess up a lot if you don't do this one right. As far as i could tell they wont be able to train up cloaking or cyno, so that shouldnt be a problem at all. Also this will hopefully massivly improve the PCU as more ppl can try this game, and for much longer before desiding if its worth subbing.
Hoping to see a bunch of new corps like Brave newbies (as it once was, after this change)
(oh, and yeah ill continue to stay subbed as i have for the last 12+ years anyways, but i know a lot of my friends will now come try this game)
ArmyOfMe wrote:
1) If you get bumped then that webber wont do anything.
baltec1 wrote:
We use the exact same tactic for titans and they enter warp instantly.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2016.08.31 14:27:05 -
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Initial thoughts, no thanks.
Civilised behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
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Soldarius
O C C U P Y Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2016.08.31 14:27:10 -
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Noobs! Noobs everywhere!
I am ok with this.
http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
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Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2016.08.31 14:27:25 -
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Querns wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Alpha clones must NOT be able to light any form of cyno. If not, every single low and null system will have a cloaky alpha clone sitting in it.
I am not normally against cloaky campers (i advocate just dealing with them if they decloak), but FREE cloaky campers? Hell no, every cloaky camper that exists represents a sub or plex and the opportunity costs associated with that. FREE cloakys destroy that.
I know what CCP is trying to achieve. What they will actually achieve is just a bunch of new Tech1 fitted Navy Vexors (don't even need 5 mil SP for that) for veterans. Even if they try the same thing they do with trial accounts (can't be used with paid accounts), there are ways around that.
Think long and hard on this one CCP, you actually can mess up a lot if you don't do this one right. Read the post; Cynosural Field Theory is not on the list of skills allowed to be trained by alpha clones and is in fact listed specifically as a barred skill.
I see that now. Big relief. |
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Titus Tallang
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2016.08.31 14:27:42 -
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Multiple logins from Omega and Alpha accounts at the same time must be prohibited, and circumventing this must be a bannable offense.
Otherwise I (and I'm sure many others) will just start multiboxing 10 griffins (at a total cost of 2 million isk, so I don't even have to pay any real attention to those clients) in addition to my main in every single fight, and I'm not sure if that's really the gameplay you are looking for. Don't turn this into "who can micromanage the most accounts at the same time", please.
PS: Apart from that, I'm cautiously optimistic. Free multiboxing is my primary issue.
Director of Education - EVE University - http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/
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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
6137
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Posted - 2016.08.31 14:27:52 -
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Can people actually read the devblog and watch the video before complaining?
While the CSM only saw this on Monday, Most had been hammered out already.
Woo! CSM XI!
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
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WarFireV
Blackwater USA Inc. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2016.08.31 14:28:26 -
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This is awesome. :D |
AoTxLoGiX
Rolled Out Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2016.08.31 14:28:59 -
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Are there restrictions on Standings? Can a Alpha clone for instance run lvl 5's if it had the standing as a Subbed account but then become unsubbed or will there be a restriction on this?
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Hendrick Tallardar
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
482
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Posted - 2016.08.31 14:29:10 -
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Querns wrote:Regarding this question in the Q&A: Quote: Q: Are there restrictions on simultaneous log on for Alpha Clones?
It seems pretty obvious that you should NOT allow multiple alpha clones to be logged in simultaneously from one computer. Allowing this means that I, with a sufficiently powerful computer, can spin up a functionally unlimited number of characters with Mining Frigate trained, and use them to mine unburdened by the PLEX cost that would apply today. This would have the effect of reducing the cost of minerals to, functionally, zero, completely ruining a moderately healthy style of PVE.
They prohibit multiple Free Trial accounts from logging in on the same computer so I'm sure there's some feasibility in prohibiting Alpha characters/accounts from doing so. |
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CCP Quant
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2016.08.31 14:29:34 -
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Hendrick Tallardar wrote:So does this mean Free Trial links/referrals are going away?
Nope, there will be a suitable replacement, stay tuned |
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Sentient Blade
Crisis Atmosphere Coalition of the Unfortunate
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Posted - 2016.08.31 14:30:26 -
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This is absolutely massive, and I think it's a good thing..
Perhaps newly created characters should come with all the the allowable skills pre-installed into their character, even if they're not trained?
Now for a few concerns:
Will account status be available via API?
Alts for absolutely no expenditure is going to play havoc with the already fraught situation of who-to-trust as it will be possible to burn through them over and over. Yes, it's not exactly expensive now, but free is different.
Same for ganking. Small hybrid turret IV + destroyer IV is going to make throwaway alts readily accessible for free. I love the idea of forcing safety to green in highsec. That sounds like a very elegant solution. |
h4kun4
Heeresversuchsanstalt The Bastion
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Posted - 2016.08.31 14:30:58 -
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so the 72hrs skilling (of future omega skills) after subscription end will also be gone yes? |
Crasniya
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.08.31 14:31:08 -
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I'm mostly just hear to eat popcorn and watch. Nice job on involving the CSM early on and stuff... oh wait...
Soraya Xel - Council of Planetary Management 1 - [email protected]
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Rivr Luzade
Kenshin. DARKNESS.
2700
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Posted - 2016.08.31 14:31:08 -
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Quote: Q: What about farming on free alts using systems like industry?
A: WeGÇÖve deliberately tried to limit this behavior using the skills allowed in the Alpha list. Without skills to increase things like material efficiency it should be very hard to scale alt farms in a way that hurts the ecosystem. Didn't you remove skills for improving ME because it was an unfair barrier? Do you even still know your game?
Quote:Q: WonGÇÖt lag be a huge problem?
A: We are confident that we can handle a significant increase in activity, so hopefully not. We are prepared to make design changes if this does become a problem, and as always we will continue investing in our hardware and our code base. The last big battle in Nalvula proves that as a blatant lie. The new hardware is not capable of accommodating any more players, it's in fact only able to accommodate fewer players.
So, CCP doesn't know their game, CCP can't stop lying ... and now they want more players in the game based on that? Looking forward to it.
UI Improvement Collective
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