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Rivr Luzade
Kenshin. DARKNESS.
2706
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Posted - 2016.08.31 21:21:09 -
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May'n Nome wrote:Personally, I'd open up Battleships to Alphas as well so they can get in on the Incursion Communities. They can get into Incursion communities by the Incursion communities actually doing the smaller sites as well, because they are meant for newer, younger, less experienced players. New players do not need to be introduced to the elite BS fleets right away -- let alone that no Incursion FC would take in a newbie in his badly skilled BS.
My biggest gripe with this is that CCP has not done anything to improve the NPE, they do nothing to promote E-Uni and actually throw new players into E-Uni instead of leaving them in rookie corps. With this F2P plan, they just hope for a BNI 2.0 and throw new players into the same environment like the last time. They should have improved the NPE with the countless suggestions first and then introduced these Clone states. That would have been the proper order and it would have made a lot more sense with their focus on new players that looks more like a farce.
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Rihanna Obama
Trump Industries
0
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Posted - 2016.08.31 21:21:16 -
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Quote:The CSM heard about this concept just a couple days ago--basically the same time you are So the CSM's there for...what reason exactly? |
Kenrailae
The Scope Gallente Federation
620
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Posted - 2016.08.31 21:23:09 -
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Rivr Luzade wrote:May'n Nome wrote:Personally, I'd open up Battleships to Alphas as well so they can get in on the Incursion Communities. They can get into Incursion communities by them doing the smaller sites. My biggest gripe with this is that CCP has not done anything to improve the NPE, they do nothing to promote E-Uni and actually throw new players into E-Uni instead of leaving them in rookie corps. With this F2P plan, they just hope for a BNI 2.0 and throw new players into the same environment like the last time. They should have improved the NPE with the countless suggestions first and then introduced these Clone states. That would have been the proper order and it would have made a lot more sense with their focus on new players that looks more like a farce.
Dammit, I hate agreeing with Rivr on anything. Makes me fear for my sanity.....
But Yeah. That's pretty much the size and shape of the beast.
The Law is a point of View
The NPE IS a big deal
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May'n Nome
Elements Arpeggio Vesperia
24
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Posted - 2016.08.31 21:24:38 -
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Rivr Luzade wrote:May'n Nome wrote:Personally, I'd open up Battleships to Alphas as well so they can get in on the Incursion Communities. They can get into Incursion communities by the Incursion communities actually doing the smaller sites as well, because they are meant for newer, younger, less experienced players. New players do not need to be introduced to the elite BS fleets right away -- let alone that no Incursion FC would take in a newbie in his badly skilled BS. My biggest gripe with this is that CCP has not done anything to improve the NPE, they do nothing to promote E-Uni and actually throw new players into E-Uni instead of leaving them in rookie corps. With this F2P plan, they just hope for a BNI 2.0 and throw new players into the same environment like the last time. They should have improved the NPE with the countless suggestions first and then introduced these Clone states. That would have been the proper order and it would have made a lot more sense with their focus on new players that looks more like a farce.
I've only been running Incursions for the past week or so and have been doing HQ sites...so pardon my newbie-ness there.
I believe they said the NPE is getting an update in the same patch for one. Second the E-Uni can do a good job advertising itself via word of mouth and the in game help channel. I myself having been through E-Uni will spread the word myself.
"Threefold is the time's pace: the future comes not in haste, the present is gone arrow fast, eternally still remains the past."
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Andrea Cemenotar
Elena Minasse Operations
14
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Posted - 2016.08.31 21:24:53 -
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Moac Tor wrote:You'll have to make it so all alpha skills are unable to be extracted, otherwise it will be very easy to milk free SP at no cost.
And by the way, I don't think this will influence subscribers unless it is matched by an improvement in the NPE.
This is basically just the same as the free trial in many respects, and so I wouldn't expect any major changes in subscriber numbers as a result. The possibilities for exploitation though are great if this isn't implemented carefully.
the minimal amount of sp you have to have prior to using extraction is 5.5 million SPs
in the dev blog they say that fully maxed in skillz alpha should have around 5mill SPs which is somewhere around 500k SPs short to use an extractor anyway
so officially stating "alphas cannot use extractor" would be imo kinda redundant
[other thing being old toons with advanced skills trained that turned alpha and wish to extract SPs from "locked out" skillz]
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Lugh Crow-Slave
2940
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Posted - 2016.08.31 21:24:54 -
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Kenrailae wrote:Personally, I'd open up Battleships to Alphas as well so they can get in on the Incursion Communities.
thats what the economy needs armys of alpha alts blitzing incursions
Citadel worm hole tax
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Kenrailae
The Scope Gallente Federation
620
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Posted - 2016.08.31 21:26:22 -
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Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:Kenrailae wrote:Personally, I'd open up Battleships to Alphas as well so they can get in on the Incursion Communities. thats what the economy needs armys of alpha alts blitzing incursions
yeah I totally didn't say that. Quote properly ya bad.
EDIT:
Quote:Screw incursions, I'd consider it just so more wild battle ships would appear in low sec lol. Tired of all those damned frigates. Like Zubat I tell ya!
This is what I said.
And yeah, the whole T1 battleship with t1 gear would definitely rock incursions world.....
The Law is a point of View
The NPE IS a big deal
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May'n Nome
Elements Arpeggio Vesperia
24
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Posted - 2016.08.31 21:26:27 -
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Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:Kenrailae wrote:Personally, I'd open up Battleships to Alphas as well so they can get in on the Incursion Communities. thats what the economy needs armys of alpha alts blitzing incursions
Ahem, already responded to this. Only been doing them about a week now and running the HQ sites with WTM.
"Threefold is the time's pace: the future comes not in haste, the present is gone arrow fast, eternally still remains the past."
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
5159
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Posted - 2016.08.31 21:27:02 -
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Roenok Baalnorn wrote: 2) Lots of free players do not always mean lots more paying customers. In a F2P/P2W game about 50% of the players will never pay 2 play despite the fact they are at a significant disadvantage. The Clone model of eve doesnt put them at a significant disadvantage. They can still do everything paying players can, just in crappier ships with crappier mods.
Sooo...they can't do everything a paying player can. Can they use a cloak for a variety of reasons? No. Can they light a cyno? No. Can they use capitals? No. Can they invent T2 modules and the like? No.
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
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Titus Cole Dooley
24
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Posted - 2016.08.31 21:29:55 -
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Just about all of the the stuff CCP is coming up with is just bumming me out. |
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win189
LAWN HC Get Off My Lawn
0
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Posted - 2016.08.31 21:30:42 -
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i think there should be Some Exceptions to this like for example if a Alpha logs in and a omega logs in it will allow but it will only restrict one alpha at a time
Q will alphas be allowed on test server A CCP you say no to this ------- i have a personal issue with that as it would allow people to actually learn the game and enjoy it instead of being overwhelmed just limit them to what they can do in the normal server
the most common thing for eve online is new players are being overwhelmed with how much is in eve online they are attracted to it by the battles and PR that the big 8 Alliances have been doing these past many years but not being able to partake in some cause it takes 2-4 days to just get in some setups
also for throws just coming back if your in a ship like a titan or super that is undocked with alpha status just have all modules go offline but make it were it can jump with the same jump settings as was trained ie if you have jump cal 5 fuel con 5 you should be able to use that benefit but only for throws assigned ships not allowing the use of any offensive module other then cloaking (if cloaking skill is trained to 5)
Querns wrote:Regarding this question in the Q&A: Quote: Q: Are there restrictions on simultaneous log on for Alpha Clones?
It seems pretty obvious that you should NOT allow multiple alpha clones to be logged in simultaneously from one computer. Allowing this means that I, with a sufficiently powerful computer, can spin up a functionally unlimited number of characters with Mining Frigate trained, and use them to mine unburdened by the PLEX cost that would apply today. This would have the effect of reducing the cost of minerals to, functionally, zero, completely ruining a moderately healthy style of PVE.
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
5159
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Posted - 2016.08.31 21:30:46 -
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Moac Tor wrote:You'll have to make it so all alpha skills are unable to be extracted, otherwise it will be very easy to milk free SP at no cost.
And by the way, I don't think this will influence subscribers unless it is matched by an improvement in the NPE.
This is basically just the same as the free trial in many respects, and so I wouldn't expect any major changes in subscriber numbers as a result. The possibilities for exploitation though are great if this isn't implemented carefully.
Nope.
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
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Rivr Luzade
Kenshin. DARKNESS.
2707
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Posted - 2016.08.31 21:31:08 -
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May'n Nome wrote:Rivr Luzade wrote:May'n Nome wrote:Personally, I'd open up Battleships to Alphas as well so they can get in on the Incursion Communities. They can get into Incursion communities by the Incursion communities actually doing the smaller sites as well, because they are meant for newer, younger, less experienced players. New players do not need to be introduced to the elite BS fleets right away -- let alone that no Incursion FC would take in a newbie in his badly skilled BS. My biggest gripe with this is that CCP has not done anything to improve the NPE, they do nothing to promote E-Uni and actually throw new players into E-Uni instead of leaving them in rookie corps. With this F2P plan, they just hope for a BNI 2.0 and throw new players into the same environment like the last time. They should have improved the NPE with the countless suggestions first and then introduced these Clone states. That would have been the proper order and it would have made a lot more sense with their focus on new players that looks more like a farce. I've only been running Incursions for the past week or so and have been doing HQ sites...so pardon my newbie-ness there. I believe they said the NPE is getting an update in the same patch for one. Second the E-Uni can do a good job advertising itself via word of mouth and the in game help channel. I myself having been through E-Uni will spread the word myself. Then they should have released the dev blog on NPE first and not like a sorry excuse after this one to justify this one. Word on the street has only so much reach. Best example is the very destructive Burn Jita event: CCP advertises for it, multiple news outlets advertise it, yet there are still hundreds of people dying to it, who do not know at all what's going on. That goes for the majority of the game population and word on the street won't reach them.
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motie one
Secret Passage
107
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Posted - 2016.08.31 21:31:28 -
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tasman devil wrote:Fine, great. Team Size Matters wrote:The CSM heard about this concept just a couple days ago--basically the same time you are, but we are communicating now specifically so that they can help gather your feedback and bring it to us for the summit in September, where we will be flying out the entire CSM for the first time. If you would rather talk to us directly, the forum thread for this blog is a great place to start and we will be opening up other channels, such as a Reddit AMA, in the coming weeks. But do please tell me why the hell do we vote for CSM again when they aren't even notified of this. I mean English may be a second language to me but it does seem to me that you neither thought nor really wanted to bring in on such a game-changing decision. Also they are now relegated to "ticket counters". Nice work!
There are game decisions, where the in game experience is invaluable. There are business decisions where they can't add ****.
Which type of decision do you think this is! |
Moac Tor
Cyber Core Stain Confederation
729
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Posted - 2016.08.31 21:32:41 -
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Andrea Cemenotar wrote:Moac Tor wrote:You'll have to make it so all alpha skills are unable to be extracted, otherwise it will be very easy to milk free SP at no cost.
And by the way, I don't think this will influence subscribers unless it is matched by an improvement in the NPE.
This is basically just the same as the free trial in many respects, and so I wouldn't expect any major changes in subscriber numbers as a result. The possibilities for exploitation though are great if this isn't implemented carefully. the minimal amount of sp you have to have prior to using extraction is 5.5 million SPs in the dev blog they say that fully maxed in skillz alpha should have around 5mill SPs which is somewhere around 500k SPs short to use an extractor anyway so officially stating "alphas cannot use extractor" would be imo kinda redundant [other thing being old toons with advanced skills trained that turned alpha and wish to extract SPs from "locked out" skillz] 1. Get a 5mil SP character who's SP is not allocated in the Alpha skills.
2. Revert to an Alpha clone.
3. Train all the Alpha skills to maximum of 5mil SP worth.
4. Subscribe for a month and extract all the Alpha skill SP.
5. Revert to an Alpha clone.
6. Train all the Alpha skills to maximum of 5mil SP worth.
7. Subscribe for a month and extract all the Alpha skill SP.
8. Repeat for free SP.
^This is what they need to avoid being possible
Modulated ECM Effects
An Alternative to Skill Trading
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beakerax
Pator Tech School
301
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Posted - 2016.08.31 21:32:51 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:This is straight up pay to win. A paid account in a T1 frigate will stand an excellent chance against 2-3 free accounts. At least let all the support skills for frigates be trained up, even if you restrict the actual ship skills themselves. -Liang (hi Liang) Egsise wrote:What do we have now? A 30 day trial and with buddy invite which everyone uses it's 30day trial + 60day gametime and you can do ANYTHING.
Nerf that to T1 frigs and modules that lasts for the rest of their lives. Don't let the noobs do any of the cool stuff unless they pay the sub. I am concerned about this. The skill restrictions are a good idea to prevent abuse and provide a motivation to sub, but playing on a free account still needs to be rewarding and provide progression. If not, people aren't going to upgrade GÇô-áthey will just quit. |
Zappity
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
2957
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Posted - 2016.08.31 21:33:21 -
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I think alphas should be able to fly the Gnosis to give them a taste for larger ships. Availability is limited so I can't see it becoming a major balance issue.
Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.
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Algarion Getz
Aideron Corp
199
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Posted - 2016.08.31 21:33:23 -
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Rihanna Obama wrote:Quote:The CSM heard about this concept just a couple days ago--basically the same time you are So the CSM's there for...what reason exactly? The Powerblock Information Service has no say when there is big money at stake. Did CCP care about CSM feedback on skill injectors? |
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CCP Darwin
C C P C C P Alliance
2272
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Posted - 2016.08.31 21:35:40 -
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Quote:Why is Leadership 3 an Alpha clone skill? Probably because it's a prerequisite for Security Connections, which is also on the Alpha skill list in the dev blog.
CCP Darwin GÇó Senior Technical Artist, EVE Online GÇó @mark_wilkins
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Kenrailae
The Scope Gallente Federation
620
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Posted - 2016.08.31 21:37:35 -
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CCP Darwin wrote:Quote:Why is Leadership 3 an Alpha clone skill? Probably because it's a prerequisite for Security Connections, which is also on the Alpha skill list in the dev blog.
Were you guys just bored and wanted a new Threadnaught to occupy your time?
The Law is a point of View
The NPE IS a big deal
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
5159
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Posted - 2016.08.31 21:40:39 -
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TheVirus32 wrote: - Flexible plex prices, AKA: the more the demand the more the prices get closer to regular 1 month membership prices, to ensure that plex doesn't go through the roof (and that's coming from someone who never plexes, because I like keeping my iskies)
Uhhh...why? Are Alpha's going to be buying PLEX? For what purpose? If anything they'll likely be selling them to get ISK.
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
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Crack Spawn
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2016.08.31 21:42:06 -
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CCP have run out of features/ideas its that simple. CCP are also running out of subscribers.
Spent time on the Bounty System Spent time of War Decing
Skills based system for spying/infiltrating
So many things that CCP could do that's new and with substance but no ccp want to make pretty Fleet bonuses affects, or awesome fireworks on a ship go boom. But introduce new cool thing naaa its easier to take stuff away from us.
This is a stupid idea CCP |
Roenok Baalnorn
Sadistically Sinister
328
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Posted - 2016.08.31 21:42:30 -
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Ocean Ormand wrote:Just curious - the punishment for botting is banning - but now its free to make accounts - so ccp would have to ban the ip. But I think (I may be wrong) that you can manipulate your ip address if you want. So CCP just effectively threw in the towel on botting - a botter gets banned - he just keeps making new accounts - since there is no cost or punishment to him there is no disincentive to botting.
ISPs have addresses in blocks. Normally, when you connect to your ISP its dynamic meaning the last few numbers will change each time you login to the ISP depending on what address is available. So to effectively ban your IP, they have to ban a whole block. Banning a block can possibly lead to banning other players unintentionally.
Thats how it use to be but i havent honestly messed with IP addresses and all that tech stuff for over 5 years, so it may of changed.
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Andrea Cemenotar
Elena Minasse Operations
15
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Posted - 2016.08.31 21:42:36 -
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win189 wrote:i think there should be Some Exceptions to this like for example if a Alpha logs in and a omega logs in it will allow but it will only restrict one alpha at a time
can't upvote it enought! :)
Moac Tor wrote:Andrea Cemenotar wrote:Moac Tor wrote:You'll have to make it so all alpha skills are unable to be extracted, otherwise it will be very easy to milk free SP at no cost.
And by the way, I don't think this will influence subscribers unless it is matched by an improvement in the NPE.
This is basically just the same as the free trial in many respects, and so I wouldn't expect any major changes in subscriber numbers as a result. The possibilities for exploitation though are great if this isn't implemented carefully. the minimal amount of sp you have to have prior to using extraction is 5.5 million SPs in the dev blog they say that fully maxed in skillz alpha should have around 5mill SPs which is somewhere around 500k SPs short to use an extractor anyway so officially stating "alphas cannot use extractor" would be imo kinda redundant [other thing being old toons with advanced skills trained that turned alpha and wish to extract SPs from "locked out" skillz] 1. Get a 5mil SP character who's SP is not allocated in the Alpha skills. 2. Revert to an Alpha clone. 3. Train all the Alpha skills to maximum of 5mil SP worth. 4. Subscribe for a month and extract all the Alpha skill SP. 5. Revert to an Alpha clone. 6. Train all the Alpha skills to maximum of 5mil SP worth. 7. Subscribe for a month and extract all the Alpha skill SP. 8. Repeat for free SP. It doesn't take much for someone to work this out and then scale it onto hundreds of accounts.
hmmmm I have to admitt I haven't thought about it this way
but then to be honest the amount of time needed for each cycle makes it feels [to me] quite ineffective - at least compared to currently existing SP farms |
Juvenius Drakonius
20
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Posted - 2016.08.31 21:42:53 -
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Many questions here this is a BIG SHIFT in Game Mechanics, Will Alfa clones ...
Hava a ISK cap? be able to make trades in station? be used as spy alts in systems to monitor activity? be able to sell and buy any items off the market? Be able to join corps? be able to make cynos?
This is too big of a change for a simple post in a blog/forum this the biggest game shift since capitals where introduced, this needs special attention.....please more info, more details
There is no shame in saying you don't know something, and there is no glory in keeping knolege to yourself.
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Cinders Tekitsu
Eh Team
0
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Posted - 2016.08.31 21:43:04 -
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instead of pausing training because of an omega skill, skip it, and move down the list to the first alpha trainable skill and carry on. if you get to the end of the list with nothing trainable then pause it. you could also bring back the old training queue for alphas (24 hour window)... forcing them to log in "every day" to continue their training. that alone might be enough to make it too inconvenient to create a 1 person fleet of 50 alpha clones
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Andrea Cemenotar
Elena Minasse Operations
16
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Posted - 2016.08.31 21:45:16 -
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Juvenius Drakonius wrote: be able to make cynos?
This is too big of a change for a simple post in a blog/forum this the biggest game shift since capitals where introduced, this needs special attention.....please more info, more details
the amount of ppl that comments without bothering to read the devblog is astonishing - there are two thing STRAIGHTLY mentioned in a blog that alpha clone WON'T be able to do - traiing up [and using] cynos and cloacking devices
EDIT:
Cinders Tekitsu wrote:instead of pausing training because of an omega skill, skip it, and move down the list to the first alpha trainable skill and carry on. if you get to the end of the list with nothing trainable then pause it. you could also bring back the old training queue for alphas (24 hour window)... forcing them to log in "every day" to continue their training. that alone might be enough to make it too inconvenient to create a 1 person fleet of 50 alpha clones
hmmm as it was not mentioned I though that alphas will follow trial mechanics here - all skills scheduled in the que must start within 24h window from the point of scheduling |
Soltys
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
149
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Posted - 2016.08.31 21:51:47 -
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TBH I'm not now even sure if it qualifies as typical (+premium) f2p.
For example, I've a friend that has some small yet decent cash and flies one type of T3C. Told him about "f2p" and he responded - "Well I know, but what's the point for me ? I can't fly anything I normally fly, I cannot use most racial stuff as I trained into other areas and should I even want to train them I'm well beyond 5m sp".
For any potential veteran / returnee - this is not f2p, this is completely pointless (they can at best "retry" the game on some fresh alt) - and IMHO it's good. Not like subbing by any means out there is an issue these days.
For genuinly new players it's just evolved trial with no explicit time limit, which is notably deal than they have now. But also with rigid constraints in terms of what they can really do/skill in game.
I rarely agree with CCP ideas these days, but this one is good (and literally harmless for
Jita Flipping Inc.: Solmp / Kovl
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
5159
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Posted - 2016.08.31 21:52:57 -
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Moac Tor wrote:Andrea Cemenotar wrote:Moac Tor wrote:You'll have to make it so all alpha skills are unable to be extracted, otherwise it will be very easy to milk free SP at no cost.
And by the way, I don't think this will influence subscribers unless it is matched by an improvement in the NPE.
This is basically just the same as the free trial in many respects, and so I wouldn't expect any major changes in subscriber numbers as a result. The possibilities for exploitation though are great if this isn't implemented carefully. the minimal amount of sp you have to have prior to using extraction is 5.5 million SPs in the dev blog they say that fully maxed in skillz alpha should have around 5mill SPs which is somewhere around 500k SPs short to use an extractor anyway so officially stating "alphas cannot use extractor" would be imo kinda redundant [other thing being old toons with advanced skills trained that turned alpha and wish to extract SPs from "locked out" skillz] 1. Get a 5mil SP character who's SP is not allocated in the Alpha skills. 2. Revert to an Alpha clone. 3. Train all the Alpha skills to maximum of 5mil SP worth. 4. Subscribe for a month and extract all the Alpha skill SP. 5. Revert to an Alpha clone. 6. Train all the Alpha skills to maximum of 5mil SP worth. 7. Subscribe for a month and extract all the Alpha skill SP. 8. Repeat for free SP. It doesn't take much for someone to work this out and then scale it onto hundreds of accounts.
You cannot extract below 5 million SP, IIRC.
So, not going to work. You'll have to train above 5 million which will require a paid sub.
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
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Caco De'mon
The Conference Elite CODE.
74
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Posted - 2016.08.31 21:55:32 -
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Moac Tor wrote:It doesn't take much for someone to work this out and then scale it onto hundreds of accounts.
It doesn't take much for someone who doesn't know what the F he is talking about to make shat up and play Chicken Little all day....
*"See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand."
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