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Jen Galt
Nophux Togive
5
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Posted - 2016.08.31 14:43:15 -
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So you mean to tell me I no longer have to PAY for a second account to have a scouting alt? I'm all about saving money! Thanks! |
Carbon Alabel
The Alabaster Albatross Sev3rance
14
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Posted - 2016.08.31 14:43:27 -
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Two questions: Do you intend to prevent Alpha clones from flying in navy faction frigates/cruisers and will Alpha clones be allowed to post on the forums? |
I'm Harmless
Patriarch Of Destruction Triumvirate.
0
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Posted - 2016.08.31 14:43:28 -
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HAHAHAHAA
The amount of desperation by CCP is comical.
here is how you get people to resub and play
"Dear vets, jump fatigue and SP trading were terrible mistakes, we are sorry, please resub your 15 accounts and we'll make it all go away.
Until then, thanks but no thanks.
ps.
"You can only post every 5 minutes because your account is less than 2 days old. You can post a new one in 88 seconds."
what the hell is this garbage? |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
2264
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Posted - 2016.08.31 14:44:15 -
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So you're telling me I can fly a catalyst...
vOv Okay then.
"Help, I'm bored with missions!"
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Stefan Cel Mare
Knowledge is Money - Money is Power
0
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Posted - 2016.08.31 14:44:27 -
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Ydnari wrote:Quote: Q: What about farming on free alts using systems like industry?
A: WeGÇÖve deliberately tried to limit this behavior using the skills allowed in the Alpha list. Without skills to increase things like material efficiency it should be very hard to scale alt farms in a way that hurts the ecosystem. This is something we need your help on though so if you see the potential for abuse please let us know. That's a bit of an odd statement as the character skills that affected material efficiency at manufacturing time all went away in Crius; Production Efficiency became Advanced Industry and a time bonus, and all the other skills are either time bonuses or straight prerequisites. Laboratory Operation isn't on the list so they won't be mass researching, if that's what you meant, but Mass Production is, giving 4 manufacturing slots at the capped level 3. This can be used to manufacture a large amount of low-skill-prerequisite items; they can't do T2 but they can do most, if not all, of the T1 range given pre-researched blueprints. OK, it's only 4 slots, but if they're free and unlimited it scales up.
prime example of how aware are devs of the game they develop |
virm pasuul
The Congregation No Handlebars.
402
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Posted - 2016.08.31 14:44:33 -
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The tears on this one, especially after ending off grid boosting are going to be legendary! This is going to be in the history books :)
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VonDerTann
Massive Dynamic inc. Care Factor
0
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Posted - 2016.08.31 14:45:05 -
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I just concerned about one thing: how about mulitple charactors under same account, if you are paid player, your main charactor is omega, the other two will regard as omega too or as alpha |
Noxisia Arkana
Deadspace Knights Sacred Empire of Ellyssium
469
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Posted - 2016.08.31 14:45:45 -
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Going to be some abuse here. It's a swell idea overall, but if I can roll 3 gallente characters train catalyst / vexor skills at no cost to myself - why not? You may want to consider limiting their safety switch to Yellow - so they can still engage in some skull drudgery but not have 100 alphas dunk a freighter in Niarja.
May want to limit LP rewards? Faction warfare could be an issue. Stabs + any frigate and you can make money on this account pretty easily.
Good call on the 'if subscription isn't active will go to alpha clone state,' Or I'd only be paying for 1 account from here on out. |
Elenahina
agony unleashed Agony Empire
1093
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Posted - 2016.08.31 14:45:48 -
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Winter Archipelago wrote:Will PI set-ups be disabled while on Alpha clones? You can set up two characters with a decent PI set-up in a 30-day paid-for period, so unless planetary colonies are disabled during that time, it's going to be rather overpowered to pay once for a free source of ISK thereafter.
I never thought about that. Pay for an account for 90 -sih days to train all three characters, and then make free money forever.
Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you.
Also, iderno
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Always Shi
t Posting
46
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Posted - 2016.08.31 14:46:06 -
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Carbon Alabel wrote:will Alpha clones be allowed to post on the forums?
Asking the important questions! |
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Elenahina
agony unleashed Agony Empire
1093
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Posted - 2016.08.31 14:46:49 -
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VonDerTann wrote:I just concerned about one thing: how about mulitple charactors under same account, if you are paid player, your main charactor is omega, the other two will regard as omega too or as alpha
Per the news item, all characters on an account share the clone status. So the account is either Alpha or Omega, not the characters
Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you.
Also, iderno
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JTK Fotheringham
Merchants Trade Consortium The Last Chancers.
101
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Posted - 2016.08.31 14:47:28 -
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VonDerTann wrote:I just concerned about one thing: how about mulitple charactors under same account, if you are paid player, your main charactor is omega, the other two will regard as omega too or as alpha
All three character slots on a paid account will be Omega. All three on an un-apid account will be alpha. Its in the blog post linked. |
SFX Bladerunner
Black Serpent Technologies The-Culture
14
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Posted - 2016.08.31 14:47:47 -
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So... basically CODE, and any form of destroyer empire ganking, is getting a massive boost?
- start 10 accounts - train (alpa cloned) gank destroyers on all of them - if multiboxing alphas = allowed..... SOLO GANK SQUAD AHOYYY - if multiboxing alphas != allowed.... OH WELL, I can just use 1, and when sec status drops too much trash it while training a new one, rinse and repeat - only pay for my disposable gank ship, zero fucks given
GJ CCP, you done ****** up. |
Noxisia Arkana
Deadspace Knights Sacred Empire of Ellyssium
473
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Posted - 2016.08.31 14:48:38 -
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SFX Bladerunner wrote:So... basically CODE, and any form of destroyer empire ganking, is getting a massive boost?
- start 10 accounts - train (alpa cloned) gank destroyers on all of them - if multiboxing alphas = allowed..... SOLO GANK SQUAD AHOYYY - if multiboxing alphas != allowed.... OH WELL, I can just use 1, and when sec status drops too much trash it while training a new one, rinse and repeat - only pay for my disposable gank ship, zero fucks given
GJ CCP, you done ****** up.
Chill guy. Why not just suggest they restrict the safety on these accounts to yellow. |
TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
1600
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Posted - 2016.08.31 14:49:13 -
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SurrenderMonkey wrote:So you're telling me I can fly a catalyst... vOv Okay then.
Yeah, but you can't use T2 or faction guns Good luck with that.
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Solecist Project
32748
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Posted - 2016.08.31 14:49:16 -
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Always Shi wrote:Carbon Alabel wrote:will Alpha clones be allowed to post on the forums? Asking the important questions! That's actually pretty significant.
It would mean war.
That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
8 Golden Rules of EVE
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Eli Stan
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
588
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Posted - 2016.08.31 14:49:33 -
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Interesting.
So far, I cannot think of any major objections. I will try to think of ways this can be abused, but barring that I don't see it being a bad thing.
I think it'd be fine for unlimited Mega clone clients to run along with a single Alpha clone client on the same computer, but I have concerns about multiple Alpha clone clients.
First possible "abuse": Train an Alpha clone to 5m SP. Switch it to Omega state, train Cybernetics to 5, plug in +5 implants, and have an SP farm ready to go without having to pay for the initial 5m SP investment.
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Memphis Baas
1970
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Posted - 2016.08.31 14:49:40 -
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First, this is about trial vs. subscription, so in my opinion if you obfuscate this fact by using completely non-descriptive terms like "alpha" and "omega", you're doing yourselves a dis-service. You're placing a point of confusion between your game and people opening their wallets to pay you for it. I would like to recommend calling it "trial" clones and "subscribed" clones, and inventing some in-character explanation for those terms. Because that's what we're familiar with.
Second, "alpha" and "omega"? "beginning" and "end"? really? You don't envision in-between states, like us paying through our nose to unlock individual features (I want access to the Megathron dammit, I love that ship, but I don't want to pay subscription or unlock anything else)? You don't envision more-than-subscription states, such as paying 2x subscription costs to slow-train at 2x the speed? 3x subscription for 3x speed? You don't envision anything in between alpha and omega, or beyond omega?
Link the subscription model to the clones if you want, it's a fine idea.
But just name it what it is, and let the naming convention allow for shades of grey in between and beyond "subscribed" or "not". |
Elenahina
agony unleashed Agony Empire
1094
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Posted - 2016.08.31 14:50:03 -
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This does sort of give new meaning to the phrase "flight of a thousand rifters" though.
Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you.
Also, iderno
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Tiberius Mathusia
Kontained Chaos Demonic Wheat Pineapple
17
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Posted - 2016.08.31 14:50:23 -
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I've read over the proposal and the list of skills they can train and believe tissue is a excellent idea to encourage new players by giving them the opportunity to really explore the game while limiting their ability to impact the game.
It's also a good way of training up same base skills on an alternative account before subbing it to train the omega skills. |
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Solecist Project
32748
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Posted - 2016.08.31 14:50:31 -
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SFX Bladerunner wrote:So... basically CODE, and any form of destroyer empire ganking, is getting a massive boost?
- start 10 accounts - train (alpa cloned) gank destroyers on all of them - if multiboxing alphas = allowed..... SOLO GANK SQUAD AHOYYY - if multiboxing alphas != allowed.... OH WELL, I can just use 1, and when sec status drops too much trash it while training a new one, rinse and repeat - only pay for my disposable gank ship, zero fucks given
GJ CCP, you done ****** up. Because ganking is so omnipresent... yeah, right.
That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
8 Golden Rules of EVE
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Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
506
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Posted - 2016.08.31 14:50:53 -
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This is gonna be interesting since i was kind of considering alts.... Probably still wont bite tho
@lunettelulu7
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Zappity
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
2942
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Posted - 2016.08.31 14:51:30 -
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Elenahina wrote:Winter Archipelago wrote:Will PI set-ups be disabled while on Alpha clones? You can set up two characters with a decent PI set-up in a 30-day paid-for period, so unless planetary colonies are disabled during that time, it's going to be rather overpowered to pay once for a free source of ISK thereafter. I never thought about that. Pay for an account for 90 -sih days to train all three characters, and then make free money forever. PI skills are not included in the alpha list in the devblog.
Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.
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Zanar Skwigelf
Boa Innovations Brothers of Tangra
23
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Posted - 2016.08.31 14:52:05 -
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DaOpa wrote: Suggestion(s):
Remove Restriction of Skills between Alpha / Omega states, have no difference here. If you train a skill you have it forever, with out restrictions.
This will lead to the exact abuse people are worried about: free cyno, free camping, free blops, free t3d, free skiff fleet, free tornado ganker, infinite market / industry slots, etc. |
Irregessa
Obfuscation and Reflections
139
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Posted - 2016.08.31 14:52:11 -
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Why is Leadership 3 an Alpha clone skill? Since this is supposed to come out at the same time as the boosting changes, an Alpha Clone won't fly any ship that can boost, nor use any skills that require Leadership (like Fighters).
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Kreza
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
0
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Posted - 2016.08.31 14:52:37 -
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The rage this generates will be incredibly entertaining, I can hardly wait |
Darrien
Ouroboros Logistics
3
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Posted - 2016.08.31 14:52:46 -
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Implants:
Whats happens if an omega drops to alpha with high level implants ? are they going to be disabled ? |
yuma detog
Skyrock
2
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Posted - 2016.08.31 14:53:19 -
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Are there gonna be any restrictions regarding character transfers from/to alpha accounts? |
Kines Pavelovna
Dissident Aggressors Mordus Angels
5
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Posted - 2016.08.31 14:53:21 -
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Elenahina wrote:VonDerTann wrote:I just concerned about one thing: how about mulitple charactors under same account, if you are paid player, your main charactor is omega, the other two will regard as omega too or as alpha Per the news item, all characters on an account share the clone status. So the account is either Alpha or Omega, not the characters
Ah OK so the basic behaviour is basically unchanged but other people get to play seal toons in FW for free. |
Rivr Luzade
Kenshin. DARKNESS.
2702
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Posted - 2016.08.31 14:53:28 -
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Noxisia Arkana wrote:Chill guy. Why not just suggest they restrict the safety on these accounts to yellow. No, that is not possible. If this was true, CCP would have lied again in the very dev blog and dev video telling people they could be part of all sorts of shenanigans -- which you obviously can't if you are restricted to yellow.
UI Improvement Collective
My ridicule, heavy criticism and general pale outlook about your or CCP's ideas is nothing but an encouragement to prove me wrong. Give it a try.
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