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Alotta Fagiina
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.09.28 08:38:44 -
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Ok thanks thats good to know. |
Sugar Smacks
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.09.30 20:09:12 -
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Welcome to constant suicide ganks of everyone.
Why not? This is good just for the LOLS, you don't need profit, seriously. People have this Impression "you could have trial accounts before", sure sure, but I couldn't have somewhat trained characters with an unlimited amount of time to search targets.
On top of that you can literally have so many If you lose enough reputation you just send off the belongings and drop the account.
Then on top of this they are mass welcoming in the ISK sellers. You think ISK selling is a problem now? Get ready for a 50000x increase.
Every trade hub will now be 2 messages on scamming followed by 1 message of ISK selling.
CCP must have high expectations to stop these things, but I have yet to see any free to play game be successful at.
Try not to be too busy combating these things because at the same time everyone will be trying as many exploits as possible on these accounts since getting banned is a LOL when it comes to such things on free accounts. If you are not banning people for masking their IP addresses you are truly in for a ride. |
Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
5285
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Posted - 2016.09.30 20:16:46 -
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Sugar Smacks wrote:Welcome to constant suicide ganks of everyone.
Why not? This is good just for the LOLS, you don't need profit, seriously. People have this Impression "you could have trial accounts before", sure sure, but I couldn't have somewhat trained characters with an unlimited amount of time to search targets.
On top of that you can literally have so many If you lose enough reputation you just send off the belongings and drop the account.
Then on top of this they are mass welcoming in the ISK sellers. You think ISK selling is a problem now? Get ready for a 50000x increase.
Every trade hub will now be 2 messages on scamming followed by 1 message of ISK selling.
CCP must have high expectations to stop these things, but I have yet to see any free to play game be successful at.
Try not to be too busy combating these things because at the same time everyone will be trying as many exploits as possible on these accounts since getting banned is a LOL when it comes to such things on free accounts. If you are not banning people for masking their IP addresses you are truly in for a ride.
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
3618
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Posted - 2016.09.30 20:24:16 -
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Try reading the minutes, it sounds like CCP are going to be limiting them to 1 free account per person, so they aren't going to be significantly used for ganking, as the set up to avoid detection is likely to cost far more to maintain than actually paying for a few ganking accounts. additionally isk selling in EVE is combated via Plex, and has been effectively for quite some time. Subscription only games without a plex equivalent have always been hit by gold sellers hard, the plex gives people a legal outlet for it and most people being risk averse don't gamble on avoiding detection when there is a legal means. |
Autumn Equinox
Red Dwarf Mining Corporation space weaponry and trade
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Posted - 2016.09.30 20:38:16 -
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Please excuse me if this has been answered some ware else in this thread.
Dual Training accounts. - Will dual training account holders be able to login (connect) twice from November ?
It seams unfair, if a free Alpha can login, but a paying account giving double the normal revenue to CCP cannot login twice on different characters while the dual training is active. |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
3618
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Posted - 2016.09.30 20:44:47 -
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Autumn Equinox wrote:Please excuse me if this has been answered some ware else in this thread.
Dual Training accounts. - Will dual training account holders be able to login (connect) twice from November ?
It seams unfair, if a free Alpha can login, but a paying account giving double the normal revenue to CCP cannot login twice on different characters while the dual training is active. No, you won't be able to. Arguments answered many times many places. |
Deckel
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2016.10.01 05:46:52 -
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What I would really appreciate with this alpha and omega clone states is to allow the free account to have some sort of access to Cynosural Field Generators.
I mean right now to be a JF pilot it is required to have two accounts cooperate. Hauling is an important industry but Eve is limiting the involvement of that activity to full time players that can dedicate the time to fund multiple accounts.
Yes there are some activities that need to be tied to corporation involvement, but JF hauling isn't one of them and so should not require two full paid accounts in order to use.
I do admit that there should be benefits to using the full account, however, such as more efficient modules, shorter wait time etc, but some sort of access should be given to the free account, even if it is in the form of some disposable structure that blows up after a single use. |
Kaivarian Coste
Beyond Imports and Exports
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Posted - 2016.10.01 15:25:36 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:Try reading the minutes, it sounds like CCP are going to be limiting them to 1 free account per person
Where is this?
I like the idea of alpha clones. In the age of casual gaming, people don't want to "rent" a single game for $15 per month that they might play once a week. +1 to CCP. |
Cearain
Plus 10 NV Cede Nullis
1480
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Posted - 2016.10.01 16:52:44 -
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Kaivarian Coste wrote:Nevyn Auscent wrote:Try reading the minutes, it sounds like CCP are going to be limiting them to 1 free account per person Where is this? I like the idea of alpha clones. In the age of casual gaming, people don't want to "rent" a single game for $15 per month that they might play once a week. +1 to CCP.
The minutes were unclear. I don't think they are going to limit free accounts to one per person because that would mean your omega accounts would be wiped when you are no subscribed.
Do you mean only one free account logged in at a time?
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
5286
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Posted - 2016.10.01 16:58:28 -
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Cearain wrote:Kaivarian Coste wrote:Nevyn Auscent wrote:Try reading the minutes, it sounds like CCP are going to be limiting them to 1 free account per person Where is this? I like the idea of alpha clones. In the age of casual gaming, people don't want to "rent" a single game for $15 per month that they might play once a week. +1 to CCP. The minutes were unclear. I don't think they are going to limit free accounts to one per person because that would mean your omega accounts would be wiped when you are no subscribed. Do you mean only one free account logged in at a time?
Probably the latter if they can figure that out...which is probably doable. This would put to rest most of the fears people have about alpha clones--i.e. ganking.
As for PI I would hope they make the command center skill necessary for not just plopping down and upgrading the command center to to keep it running/operational. That way if an account goes alpha it cannot continue to do PI.
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
3618
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Posted - 2016.10.01 21:40:20 -
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Kaivarian Coste wrote:
Where is this?
I like the idea of alpha clones. In the age of casual gaming, people don't want to "rent" a single game for $15 per month that they might play once a week. +1 to CCP.
It's not a direct quote but an inference from what they are saying. Why discuss detecting multiple clients if you have no plans to limit them in some way. Found under the CSM minutes of Clone States.
Quote:CCP Rise then moved back to how Size Matters is planning to deal with simultaneous logins. CCP Cognac outlined that they would use a different method to detect multiple clients than they use now. As Teckos said, it's likely just going to be on current logins, which assuming it's a limit of one alpha at a time, pretty much solves the ganking fears, since sure a dozen people can gank with alpha's, but that requires a dozen real people at least, not one guy multiboxing a bunch of free accounts. They are also setting up control over the safety in case it turns out that ganking explodes through the roof. But not initially implementing it. Again some inference. |
tiberiusric
Comply Or Die
258
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Posted - 2016.10.02 11:55:43 -
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Thank god for help solo play even just a little ita crazy that people have to pay for a second account just to play solo like having a scout alt for example. However its equally crazy that i have to pay an account subscription just to have a cyno alt. Yes thats right a plex a month just to jump my capital ship thats insane and im considering unsubbing my second account and not having a capital because its juts not value for money to be doing that.
So please please consider having the cyno skill added to the trainable skills in alpha clone. At the moment playing solo for people to be effective you need to buy a second a account and thats a big issue. And before people say join a corp yada yada well of course personally i am but like the stats say many people in corps i think ut was about 70% still play solo.
Again i dont see why i should pay for a second account to jump a capital about its just ridiculous of ccp to keep expecting players to.pay for that
All my views are my own - never be afraid to post with your main, unless you're going to post some dumb shit
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Sgt Ocker
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.10.02 12:44:14 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:Kaivarian Coste wrote:
Where is this?
I like the idea of alpha clones. In the age of casual gaming, people don't want to "rent" a single game for $15 per month that they might play once a week. +1 to CCP.
It's not a direct quote but an inference from what they are saying. Why discuss detecting multiple clients if you have no plans to limit them in some way. Found under the CSM minutes of Clone States. Quote:CCP Rise then moved back to how Size Matters is planning to deal with simultaneous logins. CCP Cognac outlined that they would use a different method to detect multiple clients than they use now. As Teckos said, it's likely just going to be on current logins, which assuming it's a limit of one alpha at a time, pretty much solves the ganking fears, since sure a dozen people can gank with alpha's, but that requires a dozen real people at least, not one guy multiboxing a bunch of free accounts. They are also setting up control over the safety in case it turns out that ganking explodes through the roof. But not initially implementing it. Again some inference. I think both you and Techos may want to have another look at your numbers.
In a 0.7 system; ONE meta fit Catalyst = ONE dead Retriever or Covetor.
Right now a ganker does his thing and docks up to wait out the timer - Post Alpha, he just logs off one and logs in another "free" account. As many among the New Order and Code don't have to pay for the ships they use to gank, not having to pay for the characters is indeed likely to see a growth in the number of characters involved in ganking.
Simultaneous logins, is only a small part of the issue
My opinions are mine.
If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - -
Just don't bother Hating - I don't care
It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.
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Wedgewood Simpson
Strategic Industries INC.
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Posted - 2016.10.02 16:09:45 -
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All this worry around multiple gank accounts assumes there will be no implementation of "green safety only" in HS systems.
It's already been said, if I recall, that if this isn't there to start with, it's certainly an option to prevent exactly that happening. |
Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2016.10.02 20:43:54 -
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Sgt Ocker wrote:Nevyn Auscent wrote:Kaivarian Coste wrote:
Where is this?
I like the idea of alpha clones. In the age of casual gaming, people don't want to "rent" a single game for $15 per month that they might play once a week. +1 to CCP.
It's not a direct quote but an inference from what they are saying. Why discuss detecting multiple clients if you have no plans to limit them in some way. Found under the CSM minutes of Clone States. Quote:CCP Rise then moved back to how Size Matters is planning to deal with simultaneous logins. CCP Cognac outlined that they would use a different method to detect multiple clients than they use now. As Teckos said, it's likely just going to be on current logins, which assuming it's a limit of one alpha at a time, pretty much solves the ganking fears, since sure a dozen people can gank with alpha's, but that requires a dozen real people at least, not one guy multiboxing a bunch of free accounts. They are also setting up control over the safety in case it turns out that ganking explodes through the roof. But not initially implementing it. Again some inference. I think both you and Techos may want to have another look at your numbers. In a 0.7 system; ONE meta fit Catalyst = ONE dead Retriever or Covetor. Right now a ganker does his thing and docks up to wait out the timer - Post Alpha, he just logs off one and logs in another "free" account. As many among the New Order and Code don't have to pay for the ships they use to gank, not having to pay for the characters is indeed likely to see a growth in the number of characters involved in ganking. Simultaneous logins, is only a small part of the issue
What a great way to rip off ganking groups. Make a bunch of free Alpha accounts, get some free ships, then transfer them over to your main, and take them to Jita and sell them at no cost.
Great idea!
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
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March rabbit
Mosquito Squadron The-Culture
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Posted - 2016.10.02 21:10:55 -
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Teckos Pech wrote: What a great way to rip off ganking groups. Make a bunch of free Alpha accounts, get some free ships, then transfer them over to your main, and take them to Jita and sell them at no cost.
Great idea!
that was sarcasm for sure but why the hell? Assuming gankers are not dumb your trick with getting free ship and just selling it will work only once. Assuming all profit you can get (less than 1 million per ship + fit) i would think even doing PI will be more profitable
The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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Brokk Witgenstein
Extreme Agony
832
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Posted - 2016.10.02 21:21:21 -
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Wedgewood Simpson wrote:All this worry around multiple gank accounts assumes there will be no implementation of "green safety only" in HS systems. If there were I'd take offense. Enough with the HS snowflakes already- a gang of free Thrashers camping FW or cheapass Caracals roaming Provi would be equally disruptive; but of course only HS would be except? Pffff!
Not to mention an Alpha account can't really learn anything valuable is he's locked to green except running level IIs and mining.
Let 'em kick the can. If that means I can haz free Thrasher to shoot at free Catalyst I'll take my chances ;-) |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
3619
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Posted - 2016.10.02 21:32:04 -
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Sgt Ocker wrote: I think both you and Techos may want to have another look at your numbers.
In a 0.7 system; ONE meta fit Catalyst = ONE dead Retriever or Covetor.
Now work it out with alpha skills only. Most of the gankers doing this are far more skilled in the exact ganking skills than an alpha clone can be.
Also oh no, an alpha clone might be able to gank your barge? Why is this a problem? Even I who am normally on the anti ganker side don't want to change the number of players needed to gank, if anything I want to lower the number of players needed to gank. I just want to change the dynamic of ganking to a longer fight rather than a blink and it's over thing.
Alpha clones being able to gank is good, it means they are able to take part in an important part of EVE. It means they can fly ships in non gank PvP that feel like they are contributing real amounts of damage. But the important thing is is that one player can't swoop in and kill your entire mining fleet including the orca & freighter with just alpha clones. To do that they need a lot of friends, and if they have that many friends prepared to help, good on them. |
Josef Djugashvilis
3466
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Posted - 2016.10.03 06:20:25 -
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Ganking has a long and honorable history in Eve, but I am not convinced that some one who pays to play is going to think it is acceptable for some one who plays for free to be able to gank them.
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Jasper Sinclair
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
41
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Posted - 2016.10.03 13:24:41 -
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Has it been said at what level an alpha clone will start in each skill? Trying to make fits and buy skill books for newcomers to RvB will be easier if I knew exactly how they start.
Obligatory apology if this has already been answered.
Is there a way to see ONLY Dev posts in a thread?
Acting Blue CEO, Senior Combat Coordinator, admirer of Caracals
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Josef Djugashvilis
3468
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Posted - 2016.10.03 14:35:46 -
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Double click on the Blue Label - should work, then double click on each Dev post blue label to advance to the next one.
If I remember correctly :)
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Jasper Sinclair
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2016.10.05 11:16:59 -
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Ty, it worked.
After working on cruiser fits it became apparent that Minmatar alphas are at as disadvantage compared to the other races because the Minmatar cruisers all have larger drone bays and drone bandwidths. A normal omega clone in a Minmatar cruiser gets a significant amount of dps from a mixed flight of medium and light drones, while an alpha clone is currently limited to 3 light drones total, thus his potential dps is restricted compared to other races. I suggest allowing Minmatar alphas to train light drones to 5 to compensate.
Acting Blue CEO, Senior Combat Coordinator, admirer of Caracals
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Welisa Aldent
The Minmatar Yakuza
0
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Posted - 2016.10.05 14:03:48 -
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Pls CCP High sec in eve dosent need more gankers pls do so they Always need to fly in green safty mode..becouse ganking gona get out of hand, even more then it have now. |
Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
5290
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Posted - 2016.10.05 20:38:21 -
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Welisa Aldent wrote:Pls CCP High sec in eve dosent need more gankers pls do so they Always need to fly in green safty mode..becouse ganking gona get out of hand, even more then it have now.
And btw what do we get? we the subs..so far its only the freeloaders that benefit from this..
I still get to pay and dosent get anything extra,sounds like a cheezy deal for us subs
Try not paying and see what you get.
No, we probably don't need more gankers, but the problem is there is not much else in the way of HS PvP that involves shooting people.
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
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Cmdr Clawhammer
WYNX Industries Worlds United Fedo Force
3
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Posted - 2016.10.06 08:09:38 -
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is there something new of using 1~3 acoounts together without subscription? Thanks for the information. |
Annir Janau
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.10.07 18:49:45 -
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"Note that you can still only train one character at a time, per account"
Objection! All this accomplishes is making me create a different account to train an alpha, causing nothing but more hassle and data on a server. Why? I'm not losing out on free alt skill training.
In fact, this will create more multiboxing / simul log ins. Since it's there, people will be tempted to use it.
All clones without subscription / training cert should should be allowed to train A skills. Also let skills legitimately trained while omega remain active.
This is the only fair and sensible setup. |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
3641
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Posted - 2016.10.07 19:52:21 -
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Annir Janau wrote:"Note that you can still only train one character at a time, per account"
Objection! All this accomplishes is making me create a different account to train an alpha, causing nothing but more hassle and data on a server. Why? I'm not losing out on free alt skill training.
In fact, this will create more multiboxing / simul log ins. Since it's there, people will be tempted to use it.
All clones without subscription / training cert should should be allowed to train A skills.
This is the only fair and sensible setup. Kinda already answered since you won't be able to log an alpha in alongside any other account. |
Marc Crass
Interstellar Space Anomalies Department SHOVEL.OF.DEATH
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Posted - 2016.10.11 00:31:01 -
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You have no answer for a key question in your FAQ - what need to change alpha to omega. Step by step for a dumb and newbies. And do not allow alpha: drones 5 (they can use some meta) and anchoring 2 to avoid structure and mobile abuse. Protect production guys and your new structures from zerg rush. Copying and reverse engineering for T3 must be defenitly restricted. |
Sgt Ocker
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.10.11 00:43:36 -
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Annir Janau wrote:"Note that you can still only train one character at a time, per account"
Objection! All this accomplishes is making me create a different account to train an alpha, causing nothing but more hassle and data on a server. Why? I'm not losing out on free alt skill training.
In fact, this will create more multiboxing / simul log ins. Since it's there, people will be tempted to use it.
All clones without subscription / training cert should should be allowed to train A skills.
This is the only fair and sensible setup. 1. You can train up to 3 characters per account, you just have to pay for the training cues. You can't create an Alpha clone on an existing subscribed account but you can let that account lapse and then train an Alpha, I don't know why anyone would though.
2. As for your "objection", Alpha clones aren't about existing players creating new characters, they are about getting "new" players into the game. Something that is very much needed if Eve is to survive.
3. No-one will be multiboxing Alpha state characters. You can only log one in at a time.
4. Any character, subscribed or not, can train Alpha skills. All you need do is log it in and start a skill. You would probably find though, a character who has been subbed at some time will already have most Alpha skills trained.
My opinions are mine.
If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - -
Just don't bother Hating - I don't care
It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
2922
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Posted - 2016.10.13 13:17:05 -
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So anyone who still thinks this is so great and will totally not look like p2w since it is marketed as "extended trial", please go to the test server and embrace the new extended trial regular/premium model where you wish you actually had an ingame ad-blocker for all the premium advertisement on every corner.
Good job trashing a quality game CCP, looks like you try to bring your only successful product down to the level of your other games.
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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