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FT Diomedes
The Graduates
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Posted - 2016.08.31 15:07:32 -
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Andre Vauban wrote:I have some MAJOR concerns.
1) Suicide ganking. The biggest obstacle for players is getting enough alpha to take a target down. With this change, it is now within the grasp of a player to launch 20+ alpha clone players in thrashers to gank things.
2) Faction Warfare. It is now possible for a single player to launch a large number of clients to close FW complexes.
3) Scouts. It is now possible for me to put a scout into every system within X jumps of me. Granted you eliminated cloaks, but I can just put them in capsules and I can scale to multiple characters per system so all my eyes won't get podded at the same time. Nobody wants to go probe down a bunch of worthless capsules in space in every system.
I would suggest that all the problems can be fixed by only allowing a single alpha client to log into Eve from a single computer. Most people won't have enough computers (or able to run enough VMs) to really abuse this.
I'm not opposed to this Clone States idea, but these are valid concerns.
CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.
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Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine In Tea We Trust
1496
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Posted - 2016.08.31 15:08:28 -
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Noxisia Arkana wrote:@bad bobby - c'mon. I'm obviously countering by saying that they'd be good for the economy (trade / industry alphas). Disagree or not, but don't be an ass. I couldn't find an argument to disagree with, so I asked for clarification.
I particularly found the idea of there being inflation, when the EVE economy has been deflationary for some time somewhat odd. |
Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore
14545
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Posted - 2016.08.31 15:08:57 -
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It's good that CCP left heavy drones off the list, but you can still pve plenty well with tech1 mediums.
Here is an idea to curb the potetinal multiboxing abuse if CCP doesn't at least want to limit alpha/omega clone multiboxing:
Don't let alpha clones assign drones to anyone. |
Alhira Katserna
Concordiat Spaceship Samurai
2286
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Posted - 2016.08.31 15:09:05 -
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Following restrictions MUST apply here, ccp. I mean seriously...
- Not being able to join FW. Farming alts are already a problem.
- Apply current restrictions like with trial accounts. No Alpha and Omega being able to be logged in at the same time.
- No corperation management skill. Scout-wardec corps and even more failed newbro corps will damage the game and NPE.
- Not being able to gank right from the bat. Don-Št even let this begin, ccpls.
- No jump clones. Being able to scout 2 systems with an Alpha Clone on either side of the universe seems rubbish.
- Think about something for industry because having 4 production lines per Alpha Clone means 12 per account. I already ran a few numders in my head and under certain circumstances this means a not unreasonable ammount of impact on Industry. Of course you need to know what you do but pretty much every Industrialist in this game should be easily able to figure out ways to abuse this. |
FT Diomedes
The Graduates
2665
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Posted - 2016.08.31 15:10:13 -
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Bad Bobby wrote:I don't think you should be allowing any industry or trade skills on alpha clones, if you value the health of the in game economy.
It's just too easy to exploit and once it is adopted by enough players, it will be just too essential not to exploit.
If limited to PvP and PvE, I don't think I will have any serious problems with this proposal, but if you allow me and others like me to produce unlimited industry alts with no practically enforceable limitations on that, then things will get very bad and very quickly.
Very valid concerns.
CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.
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Skia Aumer
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
339
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Posted - 2016.08.31 15:11:56 -
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This will be good for a game, but CCP will go bunkrupt. |
Zappity
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
2944
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Posted - 2016.08.31 15:12:04 -
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Gneeznow wrote:what happens if I've x market orders up and my clone reverts to alpha? As it is now the market orders stay up even when I'm not subbed. Ditto for industry jobs.
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Marsha Mallow
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Posted - 2016.08.31 15:12:07 -
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Supported. Glad to see you came up with a way to implement FTP without penalising existing players.
Good job to Seagull on the vid explaining the mechanics, it's really useful to have on complex blogs that need summarising. Might be worth considering doing short dev vids more frequently on blogs, although at the moment Seagull is the best at delivering these.
As has already been mentioned, please limit log ins on trial accounts - this mechanic already exists so it shouldn't be too hard to implement. Although there may be some who bypass it using multiple email addresses, the client should be able to stop multiple logins from one machine/IP.
My only concern might be for people who have recently invested into SP farms. Especially those who used the recent special offer. You're allowing the creation of free 5m sp alts, which won't come into circulation until mid/late Jan with a November release. That may not be enough time for recent adopters to recoup their investment into 5m SP alts to SP farm. Perhaps it's worth considering a limited SP extraction amnesty between now and Nov so existing players can claw that SP back. Full disclosure: I have a lot of accounts myself which will be hit by this, but I invested in them last year so they are at break even currently. People who jumped on this later may not be so lucky. It is a minority, and they should have calculated the risk before investing in this market, but as a gesture of goodwill it might appease some of the more vocal opponents. There may be a risk of flooding the SP market if something like this is enacted but it'd likely be a short term dip, and could possibly be managed by a staggered amnesty.
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Ledo Hashur
New Eden Development Corp Warped Intentions
3
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Posted - 2016.08.31 15:12:17 -
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Add this to the bucket list of, "Top 10 Dumbest Eve Features from CCP"
What is driving this CCP? Is it really new players? I'm sure that's part of it, but I'm also quite sure you have to be cognizant of how it will also drive the use of umpteen alts for ganking, hot dropping (if they can light a cyno... which doesn't require much skill to begin with), mining, etc. With an army of disposable toons, I see way more destruction and laying of waste in the Eve-verse.
What does that ultimately mean for CCP? More profits, of course. More revenue. As the stuff players truly value gets destroyed more frequently, they are more likely to pony up for Plex.
This is an awful concept. I hope CCP places some barriers on this or it will be a massive CF and I predict CCP will lose relative to the net number of people playing the game (not characters/alts/toons).
A system for this purpose already exists. It's called Trial Accounts. As the saying goes, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." CCP, if you are doing this (as I believe you are) in an effort to stoke revenue, you're heading down the wrong path. Why? Because you are breaking some of the fundamental game dynamics in the process. You are going to neuter some key aspects of the game that are why it's played to begin with. This is an effort to stoke the 'pay to play' concept, albeit indirectly. It's a terrible idea.
If you want to increase the # of players - actual real people paying for your game - as I'm sure you do, you'd be better off tweaking other dynamics.
There's no argument from me that this game is not friendly to new players. It still has a very steep learning curve, and many people bail after the trial period after being turned off. I get that you want to lower the barrier for entry, per se. However, this concept is just going to be abused by veteran players more than it will be a path of new subscribers. You need to think this through. I am afraid that like most of your new ideas over the past several years, it is being pushed out the door without being vetted well, and as a result will likely have a number of unintended, negative consequences.
Here's an idea: take this concept and form a committee of veteran players, and seek their input. Be honest about your goals and intentions, and stop feeding us bullcrap. We all know this is not just a game, but a business. You can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig. |
Rain6637
NulzSec
34161
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Posted - 2016.08.31 15:12:18 -
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I've wondered for quite a while who you were making EVE bigger for.
I like this
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President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub
PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
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Aram Kachaturian
Aram Pleasure Hub Holding
209
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Posted - 2016.08.31 15:13:02 -
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THE PROPHECY WAS TRUE.
UPGRADE TO OMEGA ONLINE
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Liang Nuren
No Salvation Top Belt for Fun
4405
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Posted - 2016.08.31 15:13:33 -
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dev blog wrote: Characters will start the game with the same 400,000 skill points as they do now and will be able to train freely within the Alpha list. A fully trained Alpha will have roughly 5 million skill points. You can find the full Alpha list in the Q&A below the blog.
This is straight up pay to win. A paid account in a T1 frigate will stand an excellent chance against 2-3 free accounts. At least let all the support skills for frigates be trained up, even if you restrict the actual ship skills themselves.
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Winter Archipelago
Autumn Industrial Enterprises
613
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Posted - 2016.08.31 15:14:45 -
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Looking over the skills again, I'm glad to see that Heavy and Sentry drones aren't going to be available.
I would, however, like to recommend that Alpha accounts be unable to fit an oversized prop. Otherwise, we might see Alpha accounts in cheap, fast ships with oversized props taking the place of cloaky campers.
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Valkyrie Freya
Capital Fusion. Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2016.08.31 15:15:30 -
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I am not convinced its good idea yet. its going to swell ranks of some major alliances and like to silly levels and it will need to be limited to one alpha account online per PC. Otherwise it you will be able to have ton of free alts and s h i t DPS something with numbers over skill |
Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore
14548
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Posted - 2016.08.31 15:19:02 -
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Valkyrie Freya wrote:I am not convinced its good idea yet. its going to swell ranks of some major alliances and like to silly levels and it will need to be limited to one alpha account online per PC (IP/MAC). Otherwise it you will be able to have ton of free alts and s h i t DPS something with numbers over skill
I am contractually obligated to now say this: " Dreddit is REALLY recruiting now"!
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yuma detog
Skyrock
3
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Posted - 2016.08.31 15:20:40 -
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Are you gonna add a warning box (like when jumping into lowsec or fitting rigs) for people on an alpha-clone that are about to log in a character that's in an omega-ship in space, so people that missclick don't accidentally log in a titan that's basically helpless?
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Rain6637
NulzSec
34161
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Posted - 2016.08.31 15:21:07 -
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Valkyrie Freya wrote:I am not convinced its good idea yet. its going to swell ranks of some major alliances and like to silly levels and it will need to be limited to one alpha account online per PC (IP/MAC). Otherwise it you will be able to have ton of free alts and s h i t DPS something with numbers over skill yeah I think it could have been presented as an indefinite extension to trial account periods. I multibox and would love concurrent alpha accounts. I would also understand if that was disabled.
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President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub
PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
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Harlei Quinn
Valhallas Gates Investment Not Yet Critical
10
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Posted - 2016.08.31 15:21:28 -
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This is another example of CCP, and seagull in specific, leaping before looking. Man, and I do mean man, cause she looks like one.......you should really ask your customers before making silly changes. And then listen to them before going ahead and doing it anyway. Clone states and every stupid noob that has quit coming back to server?? That's going to result in extra server load, lag, and crashes with nothing really good to show for it. And im sure when you "update" this "feature" it will be even worse. I have given you all chance after chance after chance to do something good with this game. All I have seen is failure after failure. Well, im done. As soon as im done with this im unsubbing. If you all feel the same way the only way to get them to pay attention is to mess with their cash flow. Un-sub with me until they get the point. This **** has to stop. |
Swoop McFly
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
45
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Posted - 2016.08.31 15:22:00 -
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So basically a time-unlimited trial account...
Sounds pretty good to me. More people playing the game is good for everyone.
Restricting multiboxing with alpha clones would limit a lot of potential abuse without having to implement other more severe restrictions. (like safety green only) |
Elenahina
agony unleashed Agony Empire
1098
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Posted - 2016.08.31 15:22:48 -
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Alhira Katserna wrote:... pretty much every Industrialist in this game should be easily able to figure out ways to abuse this.
I already have, and I didn't even really try that hard.
Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you.
Also, iderno
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Gneeznow
Ship spinners inc
156
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Posted - 2016.08.31 15:23:19 -
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Please for the love of god make alpha clones unable to suicide gank in high sec, set their safety to yellow so they can pvp in low sec but not gank in high sec. Blobs of t1 blaster catalysts will be all over high sec otherwise and we all know it. |
Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc
2066
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Posted - 2016.08.31 15:23:24 -
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What happens to trial invites? I'm assuming that a trial invite would give you an Omega State but with current restriction on skills for 21 days?
If the trial changes, will there still be a buddy reward program?
- Altrue asking the important questions here
EDIT: Answered
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Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker
436
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Posted - 2016.08.31 15:23:25 -
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EVE is literally dying now. I've started playing in 2003 and I'm seriously considering to quit and never come back. Most of the changes that happened over the past two years already made it rather hard for me to justify still playing EVE, but introduce this bullshit and you manage to hit the final nail in the coffin and kill off EVE for good.
When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
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Tony Rocca
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
2
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Posted - 2016.08.31 15:24:17 -
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Hey guys,
Couple big questions:
Major alliances control access to their (external) services via the subscription status of accounts, as reflected on the XML or CREST APIs.
- How will these APIs reflect the Alpha/Omega state of accounts?
- When I allow my subscription to lapse, what happens to assets or skills I trained while I was an Omega account that Alpha accounts cannot use? e.g. I subbed for a month, trained up Cyno 5, then stopped paying - regressing to Alpha. Can I still light a cyno, since that skill is technically trained?
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TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
1601
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Posted - 2016.08.31 15:24:38 -
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So many teaaaaaarsss!
Seriously people stop your doomsday scenarios please. This will be the biggest boost to EVE's player base in the last 13 years.
Solution to suicide ganking: Either allow only a single Alpha account per IP address or restrict their security to yellow. Problem solved.
Would you people please read before you cry wolf? They said that a lot of it is still up for tweaking and the skill list can change. Instead of b*tching, help to improve the idea.
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Giaus Felix
Hedion University Amarr Empire
184
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Posted - 2016.08.31 15:24:45 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:It's good that CCP left heavy drones off the list, but you can still pve plenty well with tech1 mediums.
Here is an idea to curb the potetinal multiboxing abuse if CCP doesn't at least want to limit alpha/omega clone multiboxing:
Don't let alpha clones assign drones to anyone. Dammit there goes my double Vexor ratting idea
Grrr.
I am Ralph's junk DNA.
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Kahless Monstrosity
Doughboys Escalating Entropy
7
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Posted - 2016.08.31 15:25:19 -
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I think a couple of no brainers should be limiting to one alpha account online, like trials and lock safety to green or yellow to prevent high sec ganking abuse. |
BuntCakez
ZOMBIEBEACHPARTYPATROL
32
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Posted - 2016.08.31 15:25:35 -
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Linus Gorp wrote:EVE is literally dying now. I've started playing in 2003 and I'm seriously considering to quit and never come back. Most of the changes that happened over the past two years already made it rather hard for me to justify still playing EVE, but introduce this bullshit and you manage to hit the final nail in the coffin and kill off EVE for good.
Im ok with narrowsighted people leaving :P
can i have your stuff?
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StuRyan
Barefist Pikey's House Renovation's
96
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Posted - 2016.08.31 15:25:45 -
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Hilti Enaka wrote:Well ->
more t1 fit Griffin blobs? more t1 fit alt logi accounts and ewar? more scammers and spammers
This is stupid.
This feels like a complete screw over to loyal players who paid their dues.
The only advantage I see here is people will use them as throw away alts to satisfy their chest beating, therefore, Alpha clones should be bare minimal and should be locked into NPC corps and have access to certain high sec systems only. They should also not be able to transfer isk, items and anything related to "gaining an edge" over competition.
Please CCP understand the way people game these days and make decisions based on true science and not just because it is a "good idea". This is going to massively impact customer engagement and loyalty because the fear of losing something is so powerful to engagement by doing this you actually do the opposite of trying to create loyal customers, you actually lose engaged people.
Always remember this, when something is free, there is no value.
Bang on tbh.... |
TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
1604
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Posted - 2016.08.31 15:26:05 -
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Tony Rocca wrote:Hey guys, Couple big questions: Major alliances control access to their (external) services via the subscription status of accounts, as reflected on the XML or CREST APIs.
- How will these APIs reflect the Alpha/Omega state of accounts?
- When I allow my subscription to lapse, what happens to assets or skills I trained while I was an Omega account that Alpha accounts cannot use? e.g. I subbed for a month, trained up Cyno 5, then stopped paying - regressing to Alpha. Can I still light a cyno, since that skill is technically trained?
Dude, read the blog. Any skills that go beyond the Alpha list will be blocked and any modules that require those skills will go offline. So no, you can't light a cyno on a free account (thank god).
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