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Cariq
EVE University Ivy League
12
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Posted - 2016.08.31 15:27:08 -
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Nice, I think this could work well. More players help EVE, and this clone system sounds like it won't cheapen the experience too much. Good idea! I look forward to seeing how it works in practice. I think multi-boxing will indeed need to be looked at to prevent abuse. |
Valterra Craven
597
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Posted - 2016.08.31 15:28:05 -
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Wait, now I'm curious, if people are leaving Eve because they can't pay for it, what exactly is the purpose of wanting to keep people playing that have no money to give to you? |
Egsise
Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found
6
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Posted - 2016.08.31 15:28:23 -
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Many that start Eve from trial or buddy invite end up mining to pay their plex and 90% of those who try Eve quit in a few months because Eve is boring as watching asteroid mining.
Alpha clone players face the same problem, it just makes new players very frustrated and they will still face the fact that they must pay to play.
It's like a neverending trial.
When new players want to make isk and fly the good ships without paying the sub and they ragequit if they can't what next, buff the free account skills? |
Anthar Thebess
1627
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Posted - 2016.08.31 15:28:29 -
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Possible abuses; - free mission pullers / lvl 4 burner farmers you don't need faction fitted frigate to kill a burner 5 T1 frigates will also manage to do it\ - FW farming, is also T1 frigates and stabs - scouting/tackling , nothing like 50 accounts each 3 characters that are logged in some region, login and look to something for tackle in specific system - spam scamming - it is part of eve, but can this people can be locked out from local chat in major trade hubs?
to be continued
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Zappity
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
2945
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Posted - 2016.08.31 15:28:55 -
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I think you need to restrict red flags to omega. That way lowsec PvP is fine and fun highsec activities (killing MTUs, baiting mission runners) are fine without enabling a flood of gankers.
Either that or put a really tight limit on number of logged in accounts.
Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.
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Firnas
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
22
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Posted - 2016.08.31 15:29:36 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:Can people actually read the devblog and watch the video before complaining?
While the CSM only saw this on Monday, Most had been hammered out already.
Stuff it buddy. I had my fill of CSM when you guys pushed to get watch list status destroyed and murdered the true merc profession.
This is going to be zerg central.
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Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
7820
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Posted - 2016.08.31 15:29:50 -
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Well, it's been a good run. I'll take my mother's advice and look on the bright side - at least when this goes live, I will be able to log in for free to biomass all my toons.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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Rain6637
NulzSec
34162
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Posted - 2016.08.31 15:30:06 -
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Valterra Craven wrote:Wait, now I'm curious, if people are leaving Eve because they can't pay for it, what exactly is the purpose of wanting to keep people playing that have no money to give to you? Those are the ones you want, actually. They lurk reddit the hardest and hype is good.
Help, I can't download EVE
President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub
PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
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Alhira Katserna
Concordiat Spaceship Samurai
2291
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Posted - 2016.08.31 15:30:24 -
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Also after giving it another thought you may want to open up all frigates and destroyers to alphas.
In hindsight of lowsec and nullsec life (and especially as someone close to PH) it is terrible if you want to make newbro destroyer roams and are limited by what ship each one can fly. A trial now can train within a day or less into a destroyer and thus can get into a cormorant fleet or talwar fleet within a day. I already imagine the disappointment on boith side, the fc and the newbro, if you tell them they can not come with them on a destroyer fleet as they choose the wrong race at the beginning.
I think we all get what you intend to do here. You want to get people hooked with the game. And for many newbros having an impact in newbros fleets this is a great opportunity that you are blocking. |
Solecist Project
32753
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Posted - 2016.08.31 15:31:04 -
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On behalf of everyone else who wants to know...
Will Alphas be able to post outside of NCQA?
Thank you.
That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
8 Golden Rules of EVE
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Kurosaki Rukia
The Tuskegee Spacemen
53
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Posted - 2016.08.31 15:31:17 -
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I think this is a great thing overall. And I welcome the change.
I think it will be great to see new players being able to enjoy fleets and faction warfare who otherwise might not have been able to afford to play. And since there is no time limit, it gives people more time to explore eve and hopefully fall in love with it. Since the skillset is perfect for players to enjoy faction warfare among other things I think it will be good for lowsec.
The planned skill limits are perfect, and from what I can see will prevent abuse. Especially the limitation on cloaking, cynoing etc. I definitely think that Alphas should have their safeties locked in highsec, but that's just me.
I do think that those who already pay their subscriptions should be able to use one alpha simultaniously with their existing accounts. This doesn't help me reduce the number of subscriptions I need. Nor do I expect it to. I have three subscriptions and I will always need those three subscriptions (1 main, 1 capital pilot, & 1 cloaky scout/cyno pilot). And I am glad that the proposed skills will not change that, because including such skills in an alpha would encourage lots of abuse. But If I'm already a paying subscriber, having to log off all my paid subscriptions just to do something on an alpha would be a major pain and wouldn't make me any happier about being a paying customer, that's for damn sure. |
Crow White
Monkey Attack Squad Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2016.08.31 15:32:04 -
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Pls, decide to restrict multiboxing with alfa clones, because if u will not do this, there will be 255 man fleets of suicide toraxes in t1 fit. Guys are planning already ^^ |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
8658
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Posted - 2016.08.31 15:33:21 -
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Looks like its time for Doc to follow Tippia and Mr. Garibaldi beyond the Rim. 2016 has been a helluva year for losing people, making bad decisions, and unintended consequences. The EA rot has become terminal.
Especially comical are the following:
CCP wrote: We have not decided... We donGÇÖt think clone states will have much impact... We donGÇÖt expect a significant increase in this kind of activity.. WeGÇÖve deliberately tried to limit this behavior..
Doc's personal favorite:
CCP wrote: We are creating and implementing concrete plans to make sure we can provide the same level of support for all of our players
CCP, you can barely provide acceptable levels of customer support now. The kinds of players you are trying to attract won't put up with what you consider adequate, and they won't accept your usual platitudes.
Gÿ+
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper: 'Hodor'.
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Lasisha Mishi
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
34
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Posted - 2016.08.31 15:33:22 -
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looking at it
it looks like a more limited trial, but without the time limit
they can't train battlecruiser like they could in the trial. but are limited to frigates, destroyers, and cruisers
what i'm concerned about is tech 1 or tech 2. if they limited to tech 1, fair enough.
if they allowed tech 2......oh god the stealth bomber spam plz no nononononoononono.
overall its more appealing to myself personally (if i was just joining the game now) because no time limit so i can hop on whenever in a venture or rifter. or kestrel
and no time limit means they have all the time they need to earn enough isk to buy plex.
but considering i'm in love with stealth bombers, confessors, Hurricanes, and rokhs. i'm going to continue to subscribe. cause i can't play without my hurricane |
Shinzann
Moosearmy Moose Federation
30
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Posted - 2016.08.31 15:34:58 -
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Vic Vorlon wrote:I predict this will cause barely a ruffled feather, with perhaps one or two minor questions.
Or, y'know, a threadnought that blocks out the sun.
The initial response by a lot of people is that CCP has to prevent swarms of alpha clone being controlled by a single player being used to strip mine belts, clear anoms etc. I agree with that; don't let this unbalance the game by letting people take advantage of it.
I concur. |
Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore
14549
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Posted - 2016.08.31 15:35:13 -
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Valterra Craven wrote:Wait, now I'm curious, if people are leaving Eve because they can't pay for it, what exactly is the purpose of wanting to keep people playing that have no money to give to you?
It's not that, it's that CCP does understand that (as nonsensical it is to me and others), that whole "50 cents per day for 23.5 hours of game time" thing is a psycological barrier to some people.
The idea is to let those people have some bit of EVE for 'free' and then depend on other psycological pressures to get them to go beyond that ("I got blown up because I can't use tech2, I'm going to sub and fit tech2 stuff and win!!!").
So far so good, i don't really have a problem with that though I think it's naive thinking. The Sub isn't a big barrier, lack of thempark style pve and EVE non-consensual pvp natures are WAY bigger barriers to most players, and if CCP touches those they will be admitting that the EVE experiment is a failure.
But, unless CCp rethinks some things about this 'feature', they are going to run smack dab into a version of "Malcanis' law" where old players are going to use the feature to improve their experience while new players end up quitting anyways, just like it happened every other time someone at CCP uttered the words "this will help new players". |
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
2321
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Posted - 2016.08.31 15:36:20 -
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And there I was in another thread suggesting that the way it was going all that would be left for the HTFU types to shoot was other HTFU types, where each of them would be waiting for each other to do something in game to drop on them which of course they would not do... Would be hilarious to not watch...
Well you are at least giving them something to shoot, I just wonder if their ego's will still be massaged shooting such easy to kill characters, my bet is yes. Well a great way to give them the thrill of easy kills.
Why don't you go the entire hog CCP and give them free ships and stuff to be shot in to keep enough debased cannon fodder in play for the poor misunderstood HTFU players...
Actually I am a bit amazed at this move to be honest...
When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
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Dominous Nolen
We're Happy In Wormhole Space
212
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Posted - 2016.08.31 15:36:42 -
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I was literally talking to my corp (jokingly) about how this could be a thing. Holy ****, the player base might take an increase but is it going to help in the long run?
Hopefully the alpha clones are getting a large amount of limitation to prevent shenanigans.
Either way my only thought Here
@dominousnolen
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Caco De'mon
The Conference Elite CODE.
73
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Posted - 2016.08.31 15:37:35 -
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Fantastic development for the longevity of EVE...
\o/
*"See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand."
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Dethahal Khardula
Brooklynn Eve and Co. Survival Instinct
7
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Posted - 2016.08.31 15:37:46 -
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is there a table with a slightly better layout for the skills? sort of skills for amarr - for gallente - for caldari - for minmatar - for all |
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Liang Nuren
No Salvation Top Belt for Fun
4405
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Posted - 2016.08.31 15:38:22 -
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Lasisha Mishi wrote: what i'm concerned about is tech 1 or tech 2. if they limited to tech 1, fair enough.
if they allowed tech 2......oh god the stealth bomber spam plz no nononononoononono.
Actually, they aren't even limited to the full power of a T1 frigate. T1 racial frigate of your birth race, frigate 4, weapons systems 4, support skills at 3-4. I'm feeling pretty good about being able to take on 3 free players with a T1 frigate. It might be an almost arbitrary number of free players with pirate frigs.
-Liang
I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
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Raddan Eldre'Thalas
4 Marketeers Rura-Penthe
24
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Posted - 2016.08.31 15:38:58 -
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Quote:Q: Can other players see my clone state?
A: No, only you will be able to see your clone state. We think that seeing the clone state of other players would provide too much strategic value to make it public.
I'm not fully on board with this part of it.
Unless I can dig up their states from API keys I'll be very reluctant to recruit new corp members. |
Maekchu
Gunpoint Diplomacy
440
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Posted - 2016.08.31 15:39:12 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:I agree, multiple log ins across clone state must be prohibited. nothing wrong with multi boxing, but if we can multibox with alphas I WILL be putting a whole bunch of new drone ships in null sec anoms. My Inflationary pressure will blot out the Sun over CCP Quant's office window. This is also the only beef I have with this system.
There need to be a limitation on multiboxing these characters. It's just too easy to abuse.
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Gilbaron
Free-Space-Ranger Northern Coalition.
1907
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Posted - 2016.08.31 15:39:38 -
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this sounds ... mostly reasonable?
the only thing i'm somewhat worried about is "free" alts EVERYWHERE
i don't think people should be allowed to have |
Raphendyr Nardieu
Unpublished Chapter Suddenly Content
81
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Posted - 2016.08.31 15:40:00 -
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My initial ideas:
- Limit safety setting to yellow in all space (should be easier to implement than only green in hisec). This would allow shooting people in lowsec, but wouldn't allow ganging in hisec.
- I would limit faction ships out of Alpha clones. E.g. Alpha could train faction Cruiser Skill to lvl 3, but the faction ship would require cruiser lvl 4 (current requirement is lvl 2). At least to my understanding the plan is to give Alphas change to experience the game (indefinite trial) and find connections instead of being playable for ever with good satisfaction.
- I think trial restriction of only single client active at the time would be nice touch for Alphas too. Intel gathering is huge part of eve and free intel characters might be too powerful (even though they wouldn't benefit wormholes so much as missing cloak skills (good thing)). Though I get it might be interesting to dual box few characters in low sec and also this restriction can be bypassed with virtual machines for example. Still I think restriction to single character at a time puts pressure to make connections and friends (think Blizzard failed by making grouping too easy. You need to be forced to make friends). Side note: You guys probably should investigate how intel is gathered in eve also (e.g. lower the need for wormhole eyes and characters in systems to watch for local chat).
- Any plans how to tackle the problem that new players might see that EVE is now "pay to win" as you need subsciption to be useful or powerful? At least from my point of view the feelings should be that they want to subscribe to get more. Part of this is of course allowed skills, though I think bigger part is how things are presented and perceived, but also what is overall atmosphere around the topic in eve.
Though, I have to say your initial plan is mostly solid. Good work!
-- Also posted in reddit |
Ano Regni
Fweddit The Initiative.
34
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Posted - 2016.08.31 15:43:36 -
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so....... just reworded the trial accounts and called them Alpha State?
I am not a pirate, I work in private acquisition and redistribution dealing in personal assets
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Harlei Quinn
Valhallas Gates Investment Not Yet Critical
11
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Posted - 2016.08.31 15:44:02 -
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remove this one too phantom. silence/ignore the unhappy. |
Winter Archipelago
Autumn Industrial Enterprises
615
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Posted - 2016.08.31 15:45:08 -
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Confirmation / Clarification request: It's stated that Frigates, Destroyers, and Cruisers are the only ships that can be used, but the racial Industrial skill (trained to I on all new chars) exists, so I want to be certain that industrials (Wreathe, Nereus, etc) aren't going to be allowed on Alpha's. Is that correct?
For the Newbies: The 8 Golden Rules - The Magic 14 Skills - Finding the Right Corp - EVE University Wiki
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ProLoggedLegend
Jay Amazingness Appreciation Society I too am gay
0
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Posted - 2016.08.31 15:46:20 -
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As much as I like the fact that you try to attract new players with this a 5M sp limitation is too much. You get that much SP in less than 4 months. It would be better to find another limitation for F2P players like hisec |
Georgem Wallace
Viziam Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2016.08.31 15:47:28 -
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I personally think this is a great idea. So long, as like so many previous posts, Alpha clones are restricted to one per account. The reasons I often cancel my sub is mostly because my friends don't play. They don't play because it's a sub based game. Corps are great and there are some good ones but the ones I was a part of seemed to fall apart or the CEO was a spy or some other melodrama I couldn't be bothered taking part in. I understand previous reason for not liking Alphas in the game for example: flooding the market with cheap ore. But cheap resources usually mean cheap goods. Weather that's a bad thing or not I'm not sure, I'm not professing to be an economist but EVE market changes all the time and different regions have different prices even now. Perhaps the best reason that Alphas will be good is that some at least will stay long enough to want to be Omegas which will allow more revenue for CCP and hopefully give the game longevity and better updates. |
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