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CaptCommando
Sky Fighters
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Posted - 2016.08.30 18:43:00 -
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Opinions? May replace few other mods with factions but this is general design. Trying to improve apon it. Keep in mind im trying to do a Armor Mach so any comments about how its not shield will be ignored.
[Machariel, Unnamed loadout] 1600mm Steel Plates II Large Ancillary Armor Repairer, Nanite Repair Paste Energized Kinetic Membrane II Energized Thermal Membrane II Imperial Navy Energized Explosive Membrane Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Gyrostabilizer II
Caldari Navy Stasis Webifier 500MN Microwarpdrive II Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 800 Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Barrage L 800mm Repeating Cannon II, Barrage L 800mm Repeating Cannon II, Barrage L 800mm Repeating Cannon II, Barrage L 800mm Repeating Cannon II, Barrage L 800mm Repeating Cannon II, Barrage L 800mm Repeating Cannon II, Barrage L Heavy Energy Nosferatu II
Large Nanobot Accelerator II Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I Large Anti-Explosive Pump I
Warrior II x5 Gecko x2
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Reinhardt Kreiss
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Posted - 2016.08.30 18:47:35 -
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This is the wrong forum section. Regardless of that, you haven't stated a use. PVE, PVP, scenario?
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CaptCommando
Sky Fighters
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Posted - 2016.08.30 19:13:23 -
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My Apologies. PVE with the possibility that could get jumped but mainly PVE. |
Reinhardt Kreiss
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Posted - 2016.08.30 19:32:15 -
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The fit is horrible. For some reason you're using an omni tank with passive resists, a plate that makes no sense and weird rigs, with just 1 gyro. |
CaptCommando
Sky Fighters
3
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Posted - 2016.08.30 19:36:32 -
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i shall be more specific. WH PvE |
Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore
14527
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Posted - 2016.08.30 19:44:17 -
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CaptCommando wrote:i shall be more specific. WH PvE
You are in a wormhole group, did you ask any of them 1st?
And since you are talking wormhole PVE, this is what you should be posting: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=2934
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Ginger Naari
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2016.08.30 19:45:18 -
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Reinhardt Kreiss wrote:The fit is horrible. For some reason you're using an omni tank with passive resists, a plate that makes no sense and weird rigs, with just 1 gyro.
Why not just help the guy instead of just giving him a kicking? |
CaptCommando
Sky Fighters
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Posted - 2016.08.30 19:46:28 -
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Yes i am. yes i have and no they dont PVE they just pvp Im the "black Sheep" apparently as i do the PVE aspect as well as pvp. |
Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore
14527
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Posted - 2016.08.30 19:53:14 -
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Go on SiSi and try your fit in a wormhole there (I'm guessing class 3 and below? No way that does a class 4). Not many people us machs in WHs, Rattlesnakes on the other hand... |
CaptCommando
Sky Fighters
3
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Posted - 2016.08.30 19:55:33 -
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ya rattlers are very good and yes C3 and C2. Just dont wanna fly a rattler. |
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Sonya Corvinus
Static-Noise Upholders
500
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Posted - 2016.08.30 19:56:03 -
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Why a Mach for WH PvE, out of curiosity?
Also, what class of WH, and what effects, if any? |
CaptCommando
Sky Fighters
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Posted - 2016.08.30 20:01:37 -
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C2, No effects. Because why not never flown it have the skills just want to? |
Ginger Naari
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2016.08.30 20:13:34 -
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Look at post 7.
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oiukhp Muvila
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2016.08.30 20:16:02 -
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Ginger Naari wrote:Reinhardt Kreiss wrote:The fit is horrible. For some reason you're using an omni tank with passive resists, a plate that makes no sense and weird rigs, with just 1 gyro. Why not just help the guy instead of just giving him a kicking?
That is not the way these forums work. Many assume all new characters are alts of existing players and they should know better than to post in the wrong area of the forums.
There is no such thing as an actual new player in this game who might not actually remember all the forum rules.
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Elenahina
agony unleashed Agony Empire
1079
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Posted - 2016.08.30 20:18:49 -
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CaptCommando wrote:C2, No effects. Because why not never flown it have the skills just want to?
Ok, I know you're going for an armor fit, but I have to say this - you're gimping the ship severely trying to fit it that way. You've literally cut your potential DPS in half fitting it that way, and hurt the tank by at least 100 DPS. No to mention you're slashing the range, even with barrage by 10-12 k depending on your skills.
So my first question, even before I ask you what you plan to do with it why do you feel it necessary to armor fit a Machariel?
If the answer is "Because I want to," then that's fine, carry on my good man. My only suggestion would be to drop the MWD and put on an AB - you'll be more cap stable so you can pretty much perma run it, and that will help mitigate incoming damage due to missed shots.
Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you.
Also, iderno
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CaptCommando
Sky Fighters
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Posted - 2016.08.30 20:19:32 -
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oiukhp Muvila wrote:Ginger Naari wrote:Reinhardt Kreiss wrote:The fit is horrible. For some reason you're using an omni tank with passive resists, a plate that makes no sense and weird rigs, with just 1 gyro. Why not just help the guy instead of just giving him a kicking? That is not the way these forums work. Many assume all new characters are alts of existing players and they should know better than to post in the wrong area of the forums. There is no such thing as an actual new player in this game who might not actually remember all the forum rules.
OK so how bout linking where it is supposed to go? Also my last post was at least 2 years ago i believe and other then this ive only made 3/comment on 3 other posts in my time playing eve since 2010. not a big blogger etc so i dont memorize rules or know the forums like is second nature. |
Elenahina
agony unleashed Agony Empire
1079
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Posted - 2016.08.30 20:22:28 -
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CaptCommando wrote:oiukhp Muvila wrote:Ginger Naari wrote:Reinhardt Kreiss wrote:The fit is horrible. For some reason you're using an omni tank with passive resists, a plate that makes no sense and weird rigs, with just 1 gyro. Why not just help the guy instead of just giving him a kicking? That is not the way these forums work. Many assume all new characters are alts of existing players and they should know better than to post in the wrong area of the forums. There is no such thing as an actual new player in this game who might not actually remember all the forum rules. OK so how bout linking where it is supposed to go? Also my last post was at least 2 years ago i believe and other then this ive only made 3/comment on 3 other posts in my time playing eve since 2010. not a big blogger etc so i dont memorize rules or know the forums like is second nature.
Given that you're talking about a ship, could go in Ships and Modules. Or, since you're discussing Wormholes, it could go in Wormholes.
Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you.
Also, iderno
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CaptCommando
Sky Fighters
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Posted - 2016.08.30 20:23:18 -
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Elenahina wrote:CaptCommando wrote:C2, No effects. Because why not never flown it have the skills just want to? Ok, I know you're going for an armor fit, but I have to say this - you're gimping the ship severely trying to fit it that way. You've literally cut your potential DPS in half fitting it that way, and hurt the tank by at least 100 DPS. No to mention you're slashing the range, even with barrage by 10-12 k depending on your skills. So my first question, even before I ask you what you plan to do with it why do you feel it necessary to armor fit a Machariel? If the answer is "Because I want to," then that's fine, carry on my good man. My only suggestion would be to drop the MWD and put on an AB - you'll be more cap stable so you can pretty much perma run it, and that will help mitigate incoming damage due to missed shots.
Has more low slots figured i could go armor to use the mid for other rolls and because it seems everyone uses shield so i want to try armor version. |
Elenahina
agony unleashed Agony Empire
1079
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Posted - 2016.08.30 20:26:59 -
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CaptCommando wrote:Elenahina wrote:CaptCommando wrote:C2, No effects. Because why not never flown it have the skills just want to? Ok, I know you're going for an armor fit, but I have to say this - you're gimping the ship severely trying to fit it that way. You've literally cut your potential DPS in half fitting it that way, and hurt the tank by at least 100 DPS. No to mention you're slashing the range, even with barrage by 10-12 k depending on your skills. So my first question, even before I ask you what you plan to do with it why do you feel it necessary to armor fit a Machariel? If the answer is "Because I want to," then that's fine, carry on my good man. My only suggestion would be to drop the MWD and put on an AB - you'll be more cap stable so you can pretty much perma run it, and that will help mitigate incoming damage due to missed shots. Has more low slots figured i could go armor to use the mid for other rolls and because it seems everyone uses shield so i want to try armor version.
Like I said, You go ahead with your bad self. Only change I would make to that version is swapping in an AB. You don't get the sig bloom, and you can use it longer so you get more avoidance.
Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you.
Also, iderno
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Sasha Nemtsov
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
153
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Posted - 2016.08.30 20:32:20 -
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Hi, there's a guide to mission blitzing out there, based on an armor-tanked Machariel. Here's the link to the page:
Armor Machariel
Appendix item A1.
The writer has mission-blitzing L4s in mind, but I'm sure you could adapt it to suit your use...
Good luck! |
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Sasha Nemtsov
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
153
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Posted - 2016.08.30 20:36:50 -
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If you'd rather just the fit laid out on the slab:
A.1. Machariel
[Machariel, Blitz Machariel - Meta 4 Guns] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Centus C-Type Large Armor Repairer Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script Shadow Serpentis 500MN Microwarpdrive Heavy Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800 800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Cannon I, Republic Fleet EMP L 800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Cannon I, Republic Fleet EMP L 800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Cannon I, Republic Fleet EMP L 800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Cannon I, Republic Fleet EMP L 800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Cannon I, Republic Fleet EMP L 800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Cannon I, Republic Fleet EMP L 800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Cannon I, Republic Fleet EMP L Small Tractor Beam I Large Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II Large Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II Large Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II Caldari Navy Warden x4 Hobgoblin II x5 In Cargo: One of each T2 Armor hardener 2k Ammo of; RF EMP, RF Phased Plasma, RF Fusion (Barrage and Hail if using T2 guns). Cap Charges 800 3 Tracking scripts Gate Key (Dread Pirate Scarlet) In station: 4 Navy Curators Reports (buyable from NPCs for 27 isk each)
The emphasis on warp stuff is because you spend a lot of time warping all over the place as a blitzer. If you want a more sedate approach, feel free to adapt it.
Credit goes to Anize Oramara and friends. |
CaptCommando
Sky Fighters
3
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Posted - 2016.08.30 20:44:39 -
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Sasha Nemtsov wrote:If you'd rather just the fit laid out on the slab:
A.1. Machariel
[Machariel, Blitz Machariel - Meta 4 Guns] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Centus C-Type Large Armor Repairer Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script Shadow Serpentis 500MN Microwarpdrive Heavy Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800 800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Cannon I, Republic Fleet EMP L 800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Cannon I, Republic Fleet EMP L 800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Cannon I, Republic Fleet EMP L 800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Cannon I, Republic Fleet EMP L 800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Cannon I, Republic Fleet EMP L 800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Cannon I, Republic Fleet EMP L 800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Cannon I, Republic Fleet EMP L Small Tractor Beam I Large Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II Large Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II Large Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II Caldari Navy Warden x4 Hobgoblin II x5 In Cargo: One of each T2 Armor hardener 2k Ammo of; RF EMP, RF Phased Plasma, RF Fusion (Barrage and Hail if using T2 guns). Cap Charges 800 3 Tracking scripts Gate Key (Dread Pirate Scarlet) In station: 4 Navy Curators Reports (buyable from NPCs for 27 isk each)
The emphasis on warp stuff is because you spend a lot of time warping all over the place as a blitzer. If you want a more sedate approach, feel free to adapt it.
Credit goes to Anize Oramara and friends.
I could be wrong but thats a weak tank. The resists wont be high so youd prob have to perma run that rep since it also wont repair more then base. and the micro boosting your sig as well. Im skeptical about it being able to do C4. Im assuming the idea is to kill the site faster then they can deal significant dmg.
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Solecist Project
32718
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Posted - 2016.08.30 20:59:13 -
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I would fit 1400s and for speed.
Ungrouped turrets. target painters.
Chainlock ships. F1, pop, F2, pop, F3, pop.
Assign as necessary.
That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
8 Golden Rules of EVE
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Sonya Corvinus
Static-Noise Upholders
500
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Posted - 2016.08.30 21:46:33 -
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Sasha Nemtsov wrote:If you'd rather just the fit laid out on the slab:
A.1. Machariel
[Machariel, Blitz Machariel - Meta 4 Guns] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Centus C-Type Large Armor Repairer Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script Shadow Serpentis 500MN Microwarpdrive Heavy Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800 800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Cannon I, Republic Fleet EMP L 800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Cannon I, Republic Fleet EMP L 800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Cannon I, Republic Fleet EMP L 800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Cannon I, Republic Fleet EMP L 800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Cannon I, Republic Fleet EMP L 800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Cannon I, Republic Fleet EMP L 800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Cannon I, Republic Fleet EMP L Small Tractor Beam I Large Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II Large Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II Large Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II Caldari Navy Warden x4 Hobgoblin II x5 In Cargo: One of each T2 Armor hardener 2k Ammo of; RF EMP, RF Phased Plasma, RF Fusion (Barrage and Hail if using T2 guns). Cap Charges 800 3 Tracking scripts Gate Key (Dread Pirate Scarlet) In station: 4 Navy Curators Reports (buyable from NPCs for 27 isk each)
The emphasis on warp stuff is because you spend a lot of time warping all over the place as a blitzer. If you want a more sedate approach, feel free to adapt it.
Credit goes to Anize Oramara and friends.
He said this was for sleepers, not L4s.
I'm not going to post anything helpful, simply because I've never used a Machariel in WHs, and I hate it when people with no experience give advice.
I'd go with a tengu/snake personally, but its more than a fair answer that you want to try a mach out. I'll defer to people who've done this personally |
Serene Repose
2818
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Posted - 2016.08.30 22:05:24 -
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You're discussing a Mach fit in GD? Hooboy.
We must accommodate the idiocracy.
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Sasha Nemtsov
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
154
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Posted - 2016.08.31 10:58:26 -
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I did transiently absorb the fact that the OP was talking about wormhole matters (about which I know nothing).
However, because folks seemed to find the notion of an armor-tanked Machariel somewhat esoteric, I thought I'd link the mission blitz fit.
A previous poster mentioned a weakness with the tank. He assumed correctly that the fit is intended to complete the objective then get on to the next one. I've adapted that tank somewhat so that, if I wish, I can linger and swat. Skills and experience, of course, will help in making the most of any ship or fit.
Off-Topic: There are only 2 ships I abandoned quickly in EVE; the Thrasher and the Corax. Is it possible to simply not like flying a particular ship - whatever its usefulness? I guess so. |
Tiddle Jr
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
882
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Posted - 2016.08.31 11:27:50 -
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wrong ship with wrong fit in circumstances where it would be simply lost. your desire to fly armor macha is so strong and i could only advise - go for it...
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