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Luna Hanaya
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
160
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Posted - 2016.09.11 03:06:36 -
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Tabor Murn wrote:Luna Hanaya wrote:Tabor Murn wrote: I have offered prayers for the dead, just not to your god.
You should have said it to them while they were alive. Dead can't hear you anymore. But the God sees and hears everything. You lack faith. The spiritual world is far more pervasive than you Amarrians believe. It is just a superstition. Maybe the spiritual can exist, but if the God hides it from us, there is a reason for that. Who we are to question His motives?
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Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
1336
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Posted - 2016.09.11 03:40:08 -
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If we wrote down the story of our first elders and your scriptures were passed down orally, would the scriptures be superstition aswell? We are more than suited to question the motives of things written down your ancestors and not a first hand account by the source as much as you can question our elders who passed down our "word." |
Tabor Murn
Black Dog Shady Missionaries
144
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Posted - 2016.09.11 03:47:37 -
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Luna Hanaya wrote: It is just a superstition. Maybe the spiritual can exist, but if the God hides it from us, there is a reason for that. Who we are to question His motives?
We are Minmatar. |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
6333
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Posted - 2016.09.11 08:59:40 -
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I believe the Minmatar capsuleers turned out to support the Fleet, which they did without being terribly happy about how that fleet was used. I supported their decision then and I support it now - when the Fleet calls, patriots answer.
For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead
in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a
hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
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Luna Hanaya
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
162
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Posted - 2016.09.11 12:06:52 -
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Tabor Murn wrote:Luna Hanaya wrote: It is just a superstition. Maybe the spiritual can exist, but if the God hides it from us, there is a reason for that. Who we are to question His motives?
We are Minmatar. "So the Lord sent forth the Chosen, to bring forth the light of faith And those who embrace his love Shall be saved by his grace For we are his shepherds in the darkness His Angels of Mercy. But those who turn away from his light, And reject his true word Shall be struck down by his wrath For we are his retribution incarnate His Angels of Vengeance"
- The Scriptures, Book of Reclaiming 4:45
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Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
1488
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Posted - 2016.09.11 13:37:56 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:I believe the Minmatar capsuleers turned out to support the Fleet, which they did without being terribly happy about how that fleet was used. I supported their decision then and I support it now - when the Fleet calls, patriots answer.
And then complain about it afterwards.
A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2157
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Posted - 2016.09.11 13:57:46 -
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Luna Hanaya wrote:Tabor Murn wrote:Luna Hanaya wrote: It is just a superstition. Maybe the spiritual can exist, but if the God hides it from us, there is a reason for that. Who we are to question His motives?
We are Minmatar. "So the Lord sent forth the Chosen, to bring forth the light of faith And those who embrace his love Shall be saved by his grace For we are his shepherds in the darkness His Angels of Mercy. But those who turn away from his light, And reject his true word Shall be struck down by his wrath For we are his retribution incarnate His Angels of Vengeance" - The Scriptures, Book of Reclaiming 4:45
Pfft. That's just a superstition. One single trickster spirit (one of the winds, maybe), pulls the wool over someone's eyes, and you punish everyone for his gullibility for thousands of years...
That whole dismissive nonsense cuts both ways, you see. But tell you what: come back when you have empirical proof that there's a God. |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
6334
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Posted - 2016.09.11 17:03:28 -
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Elmund Egivand wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote:I believe the Minmatar capsuleers turned out to support the Fleet, which they did without being terribly happy about how that fleet was used. I supported their decision then and I support it now - when the Fleet calls, patriots answer. And then complain about it afterwards. Would you take from the soldier their right to ***** and complain?
For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead
in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a
hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
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Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
1488
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Posted - 2016.09.11 17:17:43 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Elmund Egivand wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote:I believe the Minmatar capsuleers turned out to support the Fleet, which they did without being terribly happy about how that fleet was used. I supported their decision then and I support it now - when the Fleet calls, patriots answer. And then complain about it afterwards. Would you take from the soldier their right to ***** and complain?
No, of course not! In fact, we should encourage more *****ing and complaining! And drinking.
A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
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Felise Selunix
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
105
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Posted - 2016.09.11 18:45:39 -
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Elmund Egivand wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Elmund Egivand wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote:I believe the Minmatar capsuleers turned out to support the Fleet, which they did without being terribly happy about how that fleet was used. I supported their decision then and I support it now - when the Fleet calls, patriots answer. And then complain about it afterwards. Would you take from the soldier their right to ***** and complain? No, of course not! In fact, we should encourage more *****ing and complaining! And drinking.
I second that! Especially the drinking part! It makes the *****ing and complaining so much more...colorful! |
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James Syagrius
Reclamation Technologies
1411
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Posted - 2016.09.11 21:45:54 -
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Elmund Egivand wrote:Yes. We should let them go and form their own communities, for their sake and ours. Has anyone considered what future role the Mandate might play?
GÇ£Here also are the heralds of his praise."
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2158
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Posted - 2016.09.11 22:29:04 -
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You should probably keep reading, if you're only that far along. |
Luna Hanaya
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
162
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Posted - 2016.09.11 22:32:18 -
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Arrendis wrote:Luna Hanaya wrote:Tabor Murn wrote:Luna Hanaya wrote: It is just a superstition. Maybe the spiritual can exist, but if the God hides it from us, there is a reason for that. Who we are to question His motives?
We are Minmatar. "So the Lord sent forth the Chosen, to bring forth the light of faith And those who embrace his love Shall be saved by his grace For we are his shepherds in the darkness His Angels of Mercy. But those who turn away from his light, And reject his true word Shall be struck down by his wrath For we are his retribution incarnate His Angels of Vengeance" - The Scriptures, Book of Reclaiming 4:45 Pfft. That's just a superstition. One single trickster spirit (one of the winds, maybe), pulls the wool over someone's eyes, and you punish everyone for his gullibility for thousands of years... That whole dismissive nonsense cuts both ways, you see. But tell you what: come back when you have empirical proof that there's a God. How do you prove that the Sun exists to those who bask in its rays? How do you prove that the wind exists to those in whose face it blows? How do you prove that the land exists to those who stand on it? How do you prove that the music exists?..
Open your eyes, open your soul and stop asking silly questions.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2159
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Posted - 2016.09.11 22:52:48 -
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Luna Hanaya wrote:How do you prove that the Sun exists to those who bask in its rays? How do you prove that the wind exists to those in whose face it blows? How do you prove that the land exists to those who stand on it? How do you prove that the music exists?..
Open your eyes, open your soul and stop asking silly questions.
More superstitious nonsense. How do you prove the sun exists? It generates light, and heat, which are both measurable. We can demonstrate the light has a directionality, and that it comes from the big bright glowing thing we can actually see. The wind, likewise, produces a measurable effect, as the wind itself is simply the motion of air. As for music - well, all sound is actually just concussion waves through a medium, as detected and measured by the tympanic membrane in your ear.
Light, heat, kinetic energy, we can measure all of those. We can demonstrate their existence. What's more, we have reasonably functional models for their origins and the physical origins of the universe. Didn't need a 'god' to make 'em, either.
So, since I did, in fact, specify empirical proof - proof that can be tested, proof that will actually require the existence of God - I'd say you've failed pretty spectacularly, while simultaneously demonstrating a woefully poor vocabulary.
So got any other 'proof'? |
Anabella Rella
Gradient
2249
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Posted - 2016.09.11 23:06:17 -
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It's not a silly question Hanaya. You believe in the existence of your god therefore you don't see an issue. I do not believe in your god and therefore I require empirical, scientific and quantifiable proof. I can measure with instruments the sun's light output and the speed of the wind. I can see the effects of sunlight and wind on my own body and on the surrounding environment. I can pick up a handful of dirt and feel it as it sifts through my fingers. You, however, can't prove to me the existence of your deity. It can't be observed with our senses nor measured with our devices.
I get the whole "faith" thing; you believe in your deity even though you can't prove scientifically that it exists. Meanwhile, I certainly can't prove the opposite (as that would be a logical impossibility) but, the burden to do so lies on you and your people as you're fighting with the rest of humanity at the behest of said deity.
When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2166
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Posted - 2016.09.11 23:37:59 -
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Don't forget, though, they have a little book that says the people who are in charge need to stay in charge. They're not seeking power because they want power, you see, they have to seek power. Their little book of 'you should be in charge' tells them to! |
Slayer Liberator
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
110
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Posted - 2016.09.11 23:51:41 -
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Arrendis wrote:Don't forget, though, they have a little book that says the people who are in charge need to stay in charge. They're not seeking power because they want power, you see, they have to seek power. Their little book of 'you should be in charge' tells them to! And they definitely didn't write the book nope |
Felise Selunix
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
106
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Posted - 2016.09.12 00:00:31 -
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Luna Hanaya wrote: How do you prove that the Sun exists to those who bask in its rays? How do you prove that the wind exists to those in whose face it blows? How do you prove that the land exists to those who stand on it? How do you prove that the music exists?..
Open your eyes, open your soul and stop asking silly questions.
Ms. Hanaya, I can see that you're being sincere here, but with us, you're barking up the wrong tree. Before this goes on much further, I can tell you that these arguments always end up going to the same place, nowhere.
We can't argue anyone into belief, no matter how strongly we feel those beliefs ourselves. Faith just doesn't work that way from what I've seen. I mean, think back to your own journey with your faith. I would bet that journey was marked by the lessons on faith that you learned from those who cared for you, experiences, customs, and rituals that are deeply cherished, and an experience of your God that is so powerful that nothing anyone could say or do could shake it. I don't know you personally, and I won't pretend to know much about the Ammarian faith, but when it comes to belief, those are the kinds of experiences that form it. Thats' the way it's been in my case and I would bet the way it's been with everyone here. Arguments, empirical evidence, logical debate all have very little to do with it. At the end of the day, belief is rarely responsive to any of that, not really. After all, isn't the hallmark of faith the acceptance of something without empirical evidence?
Faith just can't be communicated in the way that you'd like with scriptures and admonishments. Share your faith, yes. I'm sure those who are called will be willing to be lead. Personally, I welcome the sharing of faiths as I think the act of belief is always pretty awesome, no matter the actual faith. Just know in advanced that I, and pretty much every other Matari who's not of the Amarrian faith won't be swayed by admonishments to 'stop asking silly questions.' No dice, I'm afraid. |
James Syagrius
Reclamation Technologies
1414
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Posted - 2016.09.12 01:47:00 -
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Arrendis wrote:You should probably keep reading, if you're only that far along. Was that an answer?
Or just another example of your compulsion to distract.
Shock us, say something relevant.
GÇ£Here also are the heralds of his praise."
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2166
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Posted - 2016.09.12 01:52:54 -
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James Syagrius wrote:Arrendis wrote:You should probably keep reading, if you're only that far along. Was that an answer?
No, it was a comment on your reading comprehension.
On the role the Ammatar Mandate might play, being as it is a non-independent section of the Empire, under the administration of the very conservative House Ardishapur.
Since you apparently missed something directly relevant to the actual subject matter - unlike your pathetic attempts to bandwagon and curry the favor of the Amarr. |
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James Syagrius
Reclamation Technologies
1414
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Posted - 2016.09.12 01:58:14 -
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Well, thank you, that was helpful.
Arrendis wrote: "unlike your pathetic attempts to bandwagon." As to pathetic attempts... I defer to your obvious expertise.
GÇ£Here also are the heralds of his praise."
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2166
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Posted - 2016.09.12 02:00:51 -
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James Syagrius wrote:Well, thank you, that was helpful.
And thus, why I told you to keep reading. Had you done so, instead of getting snarky, you might have actually found that sooner, and not made yourself look foolish.
Quote:As to pathetic attempts... I defer to your obvious expertise.
Tsk. And now you attempt to get a rise out of me with an obvious dig. Even Kim manages better snipes. |
James Syagrius
Reclamation Technologies
1414
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Posted - 2016.09.12 02:03:46 -
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Arrendis wrote:Tsk. And now you attempt to get a rise out of me with an obvious dig. Even Kim manages better snipes. I was just answering in kind, but I agree, you and she have a lot in common.
GÇ£Here also are the heralds of his praise."
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2166
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Posted - 2016.09.12 02:51:38 -
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I'm not the one who started throwing around accusations without actually seeing if they were justified. |
Felise Selunix
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
107
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Posted - 2016.09.12 02:59:20 -
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Sigh, did we have to revisit that part of the conversation? It wasn't exactly my swiftest moment, and I've been waiting for it to fade from memory. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2166
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Posted - 2016.09.12 03:35:32 -
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Felise Selunix wrote:Sigh, did we have to revisit that part of the conversation? It wasn't exactly my swiftest moment, and I've been waiting for it to fade from memory.
Pfft. You were fine. We were spitballing ideas. Sometimes, it's the most unlikely things that spark an unexpected answer. |
Felise Selunix
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
107
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Posted - 2016.09.12 03:53:59 -
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Arrendis wrote:Felise Selunix wrote:Sigh, did we have to revisit that part of the conversation? It wasn't exactly my swiftest moment, and I've been waiting for it to fade from memory. Pfft. You were fine. We were spitballing ideas. Sometimes, it's the most unlikely things that spark an unexpected answer.
*raises glass*. Here, here. I've got to get you to talk to my mother. To hear her talk, I shouldn't be speaking in public without special supervision. But enough of my family crap. Carry on all... |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2166
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Posted - 2016.09.12 04:32:41 -
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Felise Selunix wrote:*raises glass*. Here, here. I've got to get you to talk to my mother. To hear her talk, I shouldn't be speaking in public without special supervision. But enough of my family crap. Carry on all...
Heh. Mine's favorite saying is 'There are no stupid ideas. Only crazy ideas we don't have the right situation to misuse.' |
Felise Selunix
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
108
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Posted - 2016.09.12 05:04:08 -
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Arrendis wrote:Felise Selunix wrote:*raises glass*. Here, here. I've got to get you to talk to my mother. To hear her talk, I shouldn't be speaking in public without special supervision. But enough of my family crap. Carry on all... Heh. Mine's favorite saying is 'There are no stupid ideas. Only crazy ideas we don't have the right situation to misuse.'
Good one. Moms: A never-ending source of loaded-one liners and wise advice, whether you want them or not. I told my mom she needed to push for her own show. She told me that I should eat more and recheck my sales inventory. Kiddalla Selunix everybody!
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Matar Ronin
1461
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Posted - 2016.09.12 19:06:06 -
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Felise Selunix wrote:At this moment in history, I thought it might be a good time for we of the Matari diaspora to stop and take stock and share our thoughts about where we're headed. Over the past century, the Republic has grown prosp...well, it's been established at least and in that time, we've seen many important international events, the most recent being the Elder War.
At the same time, several factors remain important--relations with the Gallente, Amarr, Ammatar, and Caldari neighbors, relations with CONCORD all remain in flux. Alongside that, there is the increasing status of tribes within the Republican government under Shakor's administration and the continued repatriation of Starkmanir and Nefantar into the Republic, not to mention the experiences of individuals and whole clans that exist outside of the Republic, (and Empire Space for that matter) which of course, comprise the majority of Matari.
So taking all of that into account, along with wider intergalactic events, I was wondering what other Matari thought of the state of the race. What important factors need to be addressed? Where should we be going as a people?
Offhand, I can say my main concern is continuing to strengthen and modernize the Republic economy in order to become a bigger player in international market activity. However, I think that this must happen in accordance with tribal values, which sounds like a contradiction, but doesn't necessarily strike me as one. I also believe that the Republic has to continue to grow and change in order to accommodate our returning Matari in such a way that incorporates their assets while incorporating them into what I consider to be a burgeoning culture. Finally, I think that the Republic must normalize relations with the Empire and the Mandate in order to expand the market for Minstar goods (under favorable conditions, of course).
Just my two isk. What are your thoughts.
Note: While this is primarily aimed at Matari capsuleers, all ideas are, of course welcome. It's an open forum, y'all. Needless to say there can be no normalization of relations with the slavery cultists in either the empire or the mandate while even one Matari is held in inhuman bondage. The current normal of killing them all until they free us all is the only path forward for any Matari with a spine and the training to fight back, certainly that includes every capsuleer.
The long struggle continues, with each day we are closer to the end of the foul abomination of human slavery in New Eden and we must not ever waiver in our resolve to see it totally eradicated. On the day Matari and amarrians can inhabit the cluster in peace because the slavery cultists no longer direct the efforts of the empire and it's vassals in the Mandate and Caldari State to perpetuate this evil upon any people is the day when normalization of relations will be possible, not one nanosecond before.
The long struggle is the righteous path upon which Matari people have tread since the "Day Of Darkness" when hell spawned barbarians bombarded our peaceful home worlds from their orbiting warships. They have tried to extinguish our culture, our history, our self esteem, over the centuries they have never completely succeeded, and they never will.
The state of the Matari People is strong and growing stronger, we are found in every Empire and our numbers continue to swell. Our cause is just and our supporters continue to rally to our side. We have improved our self governance in the Republic and continue to refine those best practices. Across the Cluster Matari people are still connected and will always be connected by the call for freedom, justice, and liberty for all of humanity.
GÇÿVain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.GÇÖ
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