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Wilguma
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Posted - 2007.06.21 12:09:00 -
[781]
I have come to the following conclusion about the drone regions:
Now that Bob and MC are done with the north for the most part they are starting to plan ahead for the drone regions. So what has happened is a Bob CCP dev has snuck a piece of code into the last patch making the new regions a easy target. No more income from ratting due to the lack of rats respawning, no more ice to fuel poses(ok so they might have fixed this one), and ratters who should not be mining trying to mine in thier battleships. Any edge you guys can get huh? 
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CCP Prism X
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Posted - 2007.06.21 12:29:00 -
[782]
 Originally by: Wilguma
I have come to the following conclusion about the drone regions:
Now that Bob and MC are done with the north for the most part they are starting to plan ahead for the drone regions. So what has happened is a Bob CCP dev has snuck a piece of code into the last patch making the new regions a easy target. No more income from ratting due to the lack of rats respawning, no more ice to fuel poses(ok so they might have fixed this one), and ratters who should not be mining trying to mine in thier battleships. Any edge you guys can get huh?
Havent you heard? 
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Jaikar Isillia
The Vinlanders
Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2007.06.21 12:32:00 -
[783]
Originally by: Wilguma
I have come to the following conclusion about the drone regions:
Now that Bob and MC are done with the north for the most part they are starting to plan ahead for the drone regions. So what has happened is a Bob CCP dev has snuck a piece of code into the last patch making the new regions a easy target. No more income from ratting due to the lack of rats respawning, no more ice to fuel poses(ok so they might have fixed this one), and ratters who should not be mining trying to mine in thier battleships. Any edge you guys can get huh?
There's a BoB conspiracy in everything :P
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Riga Mortiss
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Posted - 2007.06.21 13:05:00 -
[784]
AND since the new patch we have no or very little belt spawn rats.. it's bloody scarey now. We really need this looked into ASAP.. please CCP with sugar on top and choklate sprinkles??
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Virtuozzo
IVC Consortium
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.06.21 13:07:00 -
[785]
Don't derail the topic.
Or this will end up again in another Who is Who with alts and mains on all sides >.<
Virtuozzo
Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!"
*snip* Inappropriate. -Elmo Pug |
Dingus Rx
Port Royal Independent Kontractors
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.06.21 13:10:00 -
[786]
Originally by: CCP Prism X
About the rats in these regions: I didn't touch them.
OK, who did? Please enlighten the people in the 27 pages of this thread.
Dingus Out
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Jaikar Isillia
The Vinlanders
Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2007.06.21 13:17:00 -
[787]
Originally by: Dingus Rx
Originally by: CCP Prism X
About the rats in these regions: I didn't touch them.
OK, who did? Please enlighten the people in the 27 pages of this thread.
Dingus Out
Oh that would imply that somebody has to take personal responsibility for somehow breaking the rat spawns.
Let's make it simple. Lets just delete all the rogue drones and put Guristas and Angels in! Yay problem solved for all. Miners have roids. Ratters have rats worth killing. YAY YAY
Jai is a genious.
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Virtuozzo
IVC Consortium
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.06.21 13:17:00 -
[788]
Originally by: Dingus Rx
Originally by: CCP Prism X
About the rats in these regions: I didn't touch them.
OK, who did? Please enlighten the people in the 27 pages of this thread.
Dingus Out
Sure, try and get someone to confess on touching things ...
:P
Virtuozzo
Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!"
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HUA XIAZI
Dragon's Rage
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2007.06.21 13:20:00 -
[789]
Can you (aka devs) confirm the problems that have been reported...  ?
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Riga Mortiss
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Posted - 2007.06.21 13:32:00 -
[790]
Just as a bit of followup... I just ran the belts in system 87-1PM. At the time of this post (still shortly after d/t) there was NO SPAWN at all.
There was no one else in system to clean the belts out, I should have run into multible BS spawns at this point.
The majority of our isk comes from ratting, it's what funds our efforts in an admittedly challenging region.
PLEASE can someone respond with an update? As a ratter I should have been able to get fair load of alloys by now.. it's vacant and this is getting very serious.
Thanks in advance..
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CCP Prism X
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Posted - 2007.06.21 13:37:00 -
[791]
All I can tell you (and I'm not working on this so take it with a grain of salt) is that we've been unable to reproduce this problem internaly. I've asked QA to take a look at the regions on TQ to see if the rats there behave differently there for some reason, if they come back with confirmation of this being broken there, it will get fixed. However, I just warped into some random asteroid belt and found players pew pew-in' rats down.. so if you can tell me what region you're searching in I can look at that more closely. Might be bound to your prefered location?
I can't tell you anything more than that as I've never worked with our NPC systems so I'd just be making stuff up. I can't even say working as intended because I simply dont know, that's why I'm reluctant to post about it.
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Nazdarovie
Minmatar
Macabre Votum
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.06.21 13:39:00 -
[792]
LQ-OQN region is def busted 3 system with 0 rats so far since i logged on.
Don't troll please. -Hango
Don't use your signature to troll. -Rauth Kivaro (mods@ccpgames.com) |
Riga Mortiss
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Posted - 2007.06.21 13:40:00 -
[793]
Thanks for the quick response.. please see previous post M8..
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iqplayer
Caldari
Dragon's Rage
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2007.06.21 13:41:00 -
[794]
I just want to add in some more info, and another concerned voice.
Belt spawns seem an order of magnitude less than they were pre Rev 2. It does seem though, that this could be an intermittent problem, as yesterday after normal DT, the npc's were abysmal. I went thru the belts in D-IZ 3 times without finding a single spawn, jumped next door into E8, went thru several belts before finally finding a single 3 cruiser/3 frig spawn. Went back to D-IZ (there was now a double BS on the gate), checked the belts in D-IZ again, and there was still not a single spawn in any of the belts. This all occurred over about an hours worth of time.
Fast forward to the unscheduled DT. Minutes after logging back in, I warped to the first belt in D-IZ. Single BS, triple frig - killed it all off. Second belt nothing. Third belt Triple BS, which I then sat and chained for the rest of the night. FWIW, other corp members reported more rats after the unscheduled DT.
Now, this morning, after another normal DT, I've got corp members signing off Eve to go play other games because they can't find any rats again (haven't checked the belts yet myself).
Something is clearly amiss here, the spawns are nowhere near as numerous as before patch. This isn't a 'CCP took away my easy money mine', it's 'if this isn't fixed I'm going to starve'.
Personally, yesterday I logged off my 0.0 npc'er and logged on my empire agent runner. Boo for lag in Motsu, yay for on demand Rat spawns......
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CCP Prism X
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Posted - 2007.06.21 13:42:00 -
[795]
Originally by: Nazdarovie
LQ-OQN region is def busted 3 system with 0 rats so far since i logged on.
I'm in LQ-OQN, so far I've warped through 3 systems all containing rats >.<
So much for the region theory. What constellation is this?
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Nazdarovie
Minmatar
Macabre Votum
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.06.21 13:44:00 -
[796]
GDBW-2
P3X - 0 rats at all when i went through
06-70G 0 rats at all when i went through
Don't troll please. -Hango
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Riga Mortiss
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Posted - 2007.06.21 13:46:00 -
[797]
it "may" be related to the database tweaks on the roids? It does seem a tad odd that the belt rats have tanked when the roids were adjusted..
Granted I know nothing of the internal workings of the database.. it's just an observation. Sometimes a change in a database can inadvertantly affect another seemingly unrelated dataset.
Not intending to be a pain.. and thanks for your attention X.
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iqplayer
Caldari
Dragon's Rage
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2007.06.21 13:52:00 -
[798]
Originally by: Riga Mortiss
it "may" be related to the database tweaks on the roids? It does seem a tad odd that the belt rats have tanked when the roids were adjusted..
Granted I know nothing of the internal workings of the database.. it's just an observation. Sometimes a change in a database can inadvertantly affect another seemingly unrelated dataset.
Not intending to be a pain.. and thanks for your attention X.
Another thought on that.... from observation, it seems that rat spawns are triggered when a player warps into the belt. Before, this was obvious because the rats would often spawn inside one of the huge, tightly clustered asteroids in the drone regions and go bouncing off at light speed.
I know the devs would be more familiar than us with how rats actually are 'spawned' by the servers, but perhaps this proximity to roids is why npc'ers can't find any rats (roids are now spread far from belt warp in points) while miners get nearly instant spawns when trying to mine?
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RedClaws
Amarr
Dragon's Rage
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2007.06.21 13:52:00 -
[799]
Edited by: RedClaws on 21/06/2007 13:59:49
I'm in 4-qdix in the SLYP-5 constellation (7-KXBJ region) warping around now.
I'll update this post once i completed the run: (updated)
VI-1: Empty
VII-1: Empty
IX-1: Empty
IX-2: Empty
IX-3: Empty
X-1: Empty
X-2: Empty
X-3: Empty
X-4: Empty
X-5: Empty
X-6: Empty
XI-1: Empty
XI-2: Empty
XI-3: Empty
"Empty" meaning no rats. I haven't looked at the asteroid vs rat relation.
It's been only me and my alt in this system since downtime. During that time i've found 3 small spawns in total. (I stopped after finding nothing for the 3th run through)
So there hasn't been anybody ratting for over an hour
There are some reports that if you turn on some mining beams on roids they do have a chance to appear. But not confirmed.
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CCP Prism X
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Posted - 2007.06.21 13:55:00 -
[800]
This didn't happen due to the reseeding. I can say that for certain as our internal servers have the exact same seeding as TQ now has and the rats spawn there. However, I just got confirmation from design that they are aware of this problem and are looking into it. If I get any new information I'll share it with you here but otherwise I'm going back to creating some sensible formation for the new region asteroid belts.
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc.
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.06.21 13:59:00 -
[801]
Originally by: CCP Prism X
This didn't happen due to the reseeding. I can say that for certain as our internal servers have the exact same seeding as TQ now has and the rats spawn there. However, I just got confirmation from design that they are aware of this problem and are looking into it. If I get any new information I'll share it with you here but otherwise I'm going back to creating some sensible formation for the new region asteroid belts.
I have to say, in terms of direct interaction to help fix problems (even if not immediately succesful), yuor participation here in this thread has been really awesome. Perhaps a best practice you could suggest to your colleagues 
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Murphy's Golden Rule: Whoever has the gold, makes the rules.
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RedClaws
Amarr
Dragon's Rage
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2007.06.21 14:02:00 -
[802]
Prism, the only other change I can think off to the drone rats here is the speedbug that has been fixed.
The drones sometimes went shooting off at 8000m/s before rev 2
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Takis Shiro
An Eye For An Eye
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.06.21 14:07:00 -
[803]
No bounties, no faction spawns, no standing gain, no modules, no LADAR, RADAR or Magnetometric sites, no 0.0 Cosmos constellations, tiny asteroids.
Yeah I think Revelations II fixed most of those... oh wait, just the last one then.
Seriously, why do you hate us? No bounties, sure that we get. Even no standing, it wouldnt make sense (apparantly {but then again surely were doing a public service cleaning them up?}) so sure. No modules, yah with inventionw e should ebe able to make 'em.
But come on, no meaningful exploration other than a tiny handful of combat that requires a big investment of time and effort (read get a gang and go many jumps to get to the end where there "might" be something, nice for a semi-casual player eh?). That just feels like a kick in the balls.
You give us invention then stop us from having a chance to get datacores from exploration, then kick us in the balls by having no sites to try looking for.
Oh low booster useage? Lets not give a few more places for people to find them (so people not owning the original sites have a chance) but just seed the modules. Well, fine seed them but its still not going to help much...
Oh and from the lore, surely if the drone regions have been empty for years there would be more (!) not fewer archaealogical sites, simply because no-one has had a chance to get at them all this time. Same for gas belts surely, they've had time to mount up with no-one strip mining them.
If anyone can find the stories about the drone areas I would be greatful, I don't have time to lok myself right now but I hope it will help in some small way.
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Grendelsbane
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Posted - 2007.06.21 14:33:00 -
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We went out somewhere a couple weeks before the patch - huge move, lots of POS's, the whole deal. The area was fine.
Now the area NOT fine. This is not cool; if it doesn't get fixed, well, someone here is welcome to my stuff.... if you can get to it ... because we're all up a creek with no paddle now. 
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Karai Kamasu
The Collective of Ascended Beings
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.21 15:04:00 -
[805]
The patch just wiped out all the rogue drones, few as they were, chilling in the roid belts, roid belts that got so scared of them rogue drones that forgot to grow some ores.
hi-sec, lo-sec, these matters are of no importance to me, I travel via subspace, keke |
Halada
Caldari
Macabre Votum
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.06.21 15:27:00 -
[806]
Edited by: Halada on 21/06/2007 15:28:36
Originally by: Nazdarovie
GDBW-2
P3X - 0 rats at all when i went through
06-70G 0 rats at all when i went through
Update :
YM-SRU : 1 triple domination drone spawn an hour ago, now 0 spawns 2 minutes ago (and noone has seen one past 30 minutes)
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Karai Kamasu
The Collective of Ascended Beings
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.21 15:34:00 -
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So after a couple of hours of flying through the empty belts in the systems P-T9VC, VH-9VO, JX-SOA, XME-SW, KGCF-5, Y-U09U and NHKO-4 and only finding two (TWO, 2, II) spawns that did not bother to respawn after their untimely demise, I've decided to log off and fire up my Fallout 2 and vent my frustration. Cheers.
hi-sec, lo-sec, these matters are of no importance to me, I travel via subspace, keke |
Disteeler
Moritso Technologies
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Posted - 2007.06.21 15:35:00 -
[808]
Edited by: Disteeler on 21/06/2007 15:34:49
Edited by: Disteeler on 21/06/2007 15:34:34
Originally by: Halada
Update :
YM-SRU : 1 triple domination drone spawn an hour ago, now 0 spawns 2 minutes ago (and noone has seen one past 30 minutes)
OMG screenshot pls!!!11!!
Dude I feel your pain, drone regions is for real men. Most of the "omg I pwnzoor u fire ze misiles" guys around the map won't stand a week there without the need of pain drugs. It's the hardcore 0.0 and at least you can be proud to manage to live there and raise the hole regions from absolute "zero". You are true pioneers and adventurers.
Anyway looking forward to a fix :p
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Ghosthound
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Posted - 2007.06.21 16:10:00 -
[809]
Edited by: Ghosthound on 21/06/2007 16:10:08
I changed Siege Launcher for Miner I. LOL. Is it a new way to live in Drone Regions? Hate miners even more than before. And hate weldspar now.
P.S. Prism, all you saw in LQ region, I mean mobs in belts - was a result of a mining-hunting-going-insane ratting with miner I.
P.S. Rly, why do you hate Drone Regions so much?
P.P.S. And yeah, why do hate Caldari so much?
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Voculus
E X O D U S
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.06.21 16:11:00 -
[810]
Will the asteroids be getting fixed, too? Because the "fix" was for a 0 net gain.
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