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Cruel Fox Singulerity Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.22 11:32:00 - [871] I am sick off reporting this crap already! And there is no results out off reporting anway so why reporting at all!!! I have reported broken roids first day rev was deployed - i got huge fu ck off from CCP - and i am still geting it. 1 roid per belt of crokite - nice work, lowe ends stil with same amount (poping in 1 cycle) --> sumurizzing - u didnt fix **** accept rat spawning - we have so many ratz all ower the space that they r at the planets and safe spots - just not in the belts where they should have been. So u manage to actually broken the most broken thing even more. Exploration - even taking into consideration that we wont get magnetometric ladar and radar signatures - the one presented r still broken. Ah well - i guess in REV3 we will get broken star gates - nothing alse to fu ck up anymore then that!
Damned Force	Posted - 2007.06.22 11:36:00 - [872] Originally by: Cruel Fox I am sick off reporting this crap already! And there is no results out off reporting anway so why reporting at all!!! I have reported broken roids first day rev was deployed - i got huge fu ck off from CCP - and i am still geting it. 1 roid per belt of crokite - nice work, lowe ends stil with same amount (poping in 1 cycle) --> sumurizzing - u didnt fix **** accept rat spawning - we have so many ratz all ower the space that they r at the planets and safe spots - just not in the belts where they should have been. So u manage to actually broken the most broken thing even more. Exploration - even taking into consideration that we wont get magnetometric ladar and radar signatures - the one presented r still broken. Ah well - i guess in REV3 we will get broken star gates - nothing alse to fu ck up anymore then that! 100% agree
Sabian Treehugger Minmatar 54th Knights Templar O X I D E	Posted - 2007.06.22 11:44:00 - [873] Where do I petition CCP for griefing ?
Karanth Gallente Cirrius Technologies O X I D E	Posted - 2007.06.22 11:51:00 - [874] Odd how the main thing we were supposed to have, i.e. be the "build-it-yourself" regions, has only become possible, somewhat, after the latest patch. No more importing massive amounts of mins to build frigates anymore... When rats spawn. Or asteroids behave. Well, we still have rig production.... When rats spawn. Oh, but exploration is viable now.... With luck. Next month, I'll have my doctor friend with a flashlight show us where those mag, ladar, and radar sites are. Well, with all our building prowess, and large distance from empire and CONCORD, we should surely be able to harvest gas clouds for boosters.... Hmm, wait, seems I missed that memo. So, building mods with imports, which we can't really afford... Building rigs with components that are easier to obtain in Jita than locally... Those fun uses of probes, hours of time, and enough prayer to ensure that EVERY team will win the Superbowl this year, to earn enough in loot to, well, not afford anything.... Oh, and drugs, those are fun! Well, for the people who can make them... OMG! I just found what our regions produce, and that, despite all efforts to curtail it, have succeeded in! WHINE! Yes, this is somewhat mean, and cruel, and not really fair. Sometimes, it feels like the things that happen out here, are in the same vein. Free beer for those who mod my sig! There is only one sig hijack that matters, the orginal and only member of the hijack squad. me. -Eris. ps Black russians are better then beer. I'll see your beer, and raise you a goat kebab -Tirg I'll take that pint and raise you two -Timmeh I bet 2 goats, 1 pint and a bag of slugs -Lordharold I grab it all, cook it/eat and drink it all and say thank you. -Pirlouit I'll call your bluff, and go all in on 3 locks of Hutch's hair. -Incognus I'll see that bet, depending on where the hair came from. -Rauth pushes the other mods out of the way Mmmm, bree - Karass Bree & goat kebabs!!! I'm in!! - Yips I swear i was in on this and someone took me out -Scyd How did I miss free BREE!!? -Kaemonn
Virtuozzo IVC Consortium INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.06.22 11:53:00 - [875] Originally by: Sabian Treehugger Where do I petition CCP for griefing ? http://support.eve-online.com/Pages/Petitions/CreatePetition.aspx :P Reimbursement might go better. Serious now, neither is an option. It's a matter of sitting and taking it like a man, or woman - you get the idea. It's encouraging to see CCP staff on this topic, but as demonstrated the practical situation in situ has gone downhill, while the question rises whether or not CCP see the structural issues at hand. Virtuozzo Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!" snip Inappropriate. -Elmo Pug
BluPh TGB Foo Corp Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.22 11:55:00 - [876] Thank you for the info it's nice to see some of the CCP people are still looking for the benefit of the players. As for the income, yes it might be identical to other regions, but that doesent mean the way of getting it is the same, and that is what those who are not in these regions forget. In other regions u get the bounty. I know a lot of players don't even bother to pisk up the loot, or salvage. They kill the rat, get bounty, move along. In the drone regions is drifferent. You kill the rat, then u have to loot it and possibly salvage it. When u do that, you do that again, and again and again ... until you got enough alloys to justify a carrier jump to empire. So the time from the actuall kill of the rat and the time u get the money for killing it varies very much. Some corps have runs only 1 a month, for example. But is also true, that we don't really need the money, cause we dont have a place to spend it The problem becomes when you become so poor you can't really afford to lose 1AF per week, yes this can happen ...
Damned Force	Posted - 2007.06.22 12:01:00 - [877] dont afraid guys, the drones would be back, with bounty and faction loot. CCP just making now the place ready for taking by BoB. After this would happens everything would be fixed and boosted
Cruel Fox Singulerity Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.22 12:11:00 - [878] U know what - i am starting to belive that yes! No one on the world will make me belive that there is not posible to fix what is blorken in reasonable amount of time!!! No one! Speciall not as same things/scripts/proceses r working all around other space in Eve - so yes it might be INTENTIUNALLY that they r fu cking us around as there is no reasonable explanation WHY they would not fix the broken things. Usually for things u have 8 days to acomplish - if u dont it is the same as u dont like or refuse to do it!!! Thats how law is done - that is how companies works out ect. So simple U REFUSE and INTENTUNALLY FU CK AROUND with us all! I have got all BS from u CCP about roids u could posiblly make up; that they r broken and again thet they r not, once there it become clear that u r going to remake them as u were finally ABLE to found out whats wrong (when 1K or more players were teling u in here whats wrong), now u r saying it is fixed - go to hell!!!!!!!
Karanth Gallente Cirrius Technologies O X I D E	Posted - 2007.06.22 12:16:00 - [879] Hmm, when was the last time this thread got a cleaning? Proper spelling, and not evading the profanity filters, not to mention a dash of sarcasm, does wonders. Free beer for those who mod my sig! There is only one sig hijack that matters, the orginal and only member of the hijack squad. me. -Eris. ps Black russians are better then beer. I'll see your beer, and raise you a goat kebab -Tirg I'll take that pint and raise you two -Timmeh I bet 2 goats, 1 pint and a bag of slugs -Lordharold I grab it all, cook it/eat and drink it all and say thank you. -Pirlouit I'll call your bluff, and go all in on 3 locks of Hutch's hair. -Incognus I'll see that bet, depending on where the hair came from. -Rauth pushes the other mods out of the way Mmmm, bree - Karass Bree & goat kebabs!!! I'm in!! - Yips I swear i was in on this and someone took me out -Scyd How did I miss free BREE!!? -Kaemonn
ghosttr Amarr ARK-CORP FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.22 12:22:00 - [880] I wonder how long it would take for it to get fiex if rats all of a sudden stopped spawning in delve Stop the carebear whine, Fix Cloaking

Karanth Gallente Cirrius Technologies O X I D E	Posted - 2007.06.22 12:23:00 - [881] It happened once. One shot of the special time machine, and it never happened. True story. Heard it from an alt of an alt of mine. Free beer for those who mod my sig! There is only one sig hijack that matters, the orginal and only member of the hijack squad. me. -Eris. ps Black russians are better then beer. I'll see your beer, and raise you a goat kebab -Tirg I'll take that pint and raise you two -Timmeh I bet 2 goats, 1 pint and a bag of slugs -Lordharold I grab it all, cook it/eat and drink it all and say thank you. -Pirlouit I'll call your bluff, and go all in on 3 locks of Hutch's hair. -Incognus I'll see that bet, depending on where the hair came from. -Rauth pushes the other mods out of the way Mmmm, bree - Karass Bree & goat kebabs!!! I'm in!! - Yips I swear i was in on this and someone took me out -Scyd How did I miss free BREE!!? -Kaemonn
Sabian Treehugger Minmatar 54th Knights Templar O X I D E	Posted - 2007.06.22 12:26:00 - [882] Originally by: Karanth Hmm, when was the last time this thread got a cleaning? Proper spelling, and not evading the profanity filters, not to mention a dash of sarcasm, does wonders. You can't blame them ,they just found out eve-online is not for them eve-online is for BOB la la la.... Curzon youre the man
Karanth Gallente Cirrius Technologies O X I D E	Posted - 2007.06.22 12:29:00 - [883] Arg! Chest... pains... must reach.... Avatar killmail...! ok, got it. For a second, almost went to the BoB side. Free beer for those who mod my sig! There is only one sig hijack that matters, the orginal and only member of the hijack squad. me. -Eris. ps Black russians are better then beer. I'll see your beer, and raise you a goat kebab -Tirg I'll take that pint and raise you two -Timmeh I bet 2 goats, 1 pint and a bag of slugs -Lordharold I grab it all, cook it/eat and drink it all and say thank you. -Pirlouit I'll call your bluff, and go all in on 3 locks of Hutch's hair. -Incognus I'll see that bet, depending on where the hair came from. -Rauth pushes the other mods out of the way Mmmm, bree - Karass Bree & goat kebabs!!! I'm in!! - Yips I swear i was in on this and someone took me out -Scyd How did I miss free BREE!!? -Kaemonn
GroHOT	Posted - 2007.06.22 12:45:00 - [884] Yes yes, Why from Drones anything except for stones does not drop out, it is discrimination
Gaunty Macabre Votum INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.06.22 12:57:00 - [885] Its not fair and not realistic to expect players who are living in 0.0 space to be making less money than players who live in empire. All we want is to fix our rats so they spawn, fix our roids, give us exploration, and perhaps all the other stuff we have been promised the last 7 months. If it happens i will send ccp 10 crates of beer as i run a pub.
Jaikar Isillia The Vinlanders Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.22 13:03:00 - [886] Originally by: Sabian Treehugger Originally by: Karanth Hmm, when was the last time this thread got a cleaning? Proper spelling, and not evading the profanity filters, not to mention a dash of sarcasm, does wonders. You can't blame them ,they just found out eve-online is not for them eve-online is for BOB la la la.... Curzon youre the man hahah QFT.
Karanth Gallente Cirrius Technologies O X I D E	Posted - 2007.06.22 13:04:00 - [887] Hey, try stick instead of carrot. For every day it isn't fixed, I dump a keg of beer down a storm drain, waste disposal laws be damned! How can you sleep knowing the beer is being treated so callously!!? Oh, the humanity! Free beer for those who mod my sig! There is only one sig hijack that matters, the orginal and only member of the hijack squad. me. -Eris. ps Black russians are better then beer. I'll see your beer, and raise you a goat kebab -Tirg I'll take that pint and raise you two -Timmeh I bet 2 goats, 1 pint and a bag of slugs -Lordharold I grab it all, cook it/eat and drink it all and say thank you. -Pirlouit I'll call your bluff, and go all in on 3 locks of Hutch's hair. -Incognus I'll see that bet, depending on where the hair came from. -Rauth pushes the other mods out of the way Mmmm, bree - Karass Bree & goat kebabs!!! I'm in!! - Yips I swear i was in on this and someone took me out -Scyd How did I miss free BREE!!? -Kaemonn
Virtuozzo IVC Consortium INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.06.22 13:05:00 - [888] Originally by: Gaunty Its not fair and not realistic to expect players who are living in 0.0 space to be making less money than players who live in empire. All we want is to fix our rats so they spawn, fix our roids, give us exploration, and perhaps all the other stuff we have been promised the last 7 months. If it happens i will send ccp 10 crates of beer as i run a pub. That's barely enough for one staff member ... Virtuozzo Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!" snip Inappropriate. -Elmo Pug
Cruel Fox Singulerity Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.22 13:26:00 - [889] Originally by: Virtuozzo Originally by: Gaunty Its not fair and not realistic to expect players who are living in 0.0 space to be making less money than players who live in empire. All we want is to fix our rats so they spawn, fix our roids, give us exploration, and perhaps all the other stuff we have been promised the last 7 months. If it happens i will send ccp 10 crates of beer as i run a pub. That's barely enough for one staff member ... Now there we go - thats where all those fixes r coming from
BigWhale Gallente Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.22 14:07:00 - [890] I just walked through a 24 belt system. This is what I found: Tripple BS spawn Tripple BS spawn BS spawn Tripple BS spawn Tripple Cruiser spawn Six Cruisers spawn BS spawn BS spawn Double BS spawn I did notice few large Veldspar rocks. I have no idea how many units of trit was there, since I had no survey scanner on board. Nine out of 24 belts had rats in. I have no idea how it was before, right now my time is somewhat limited and I don't play that much, so I don't know how often is this. While I was mining, as soon as I turned on my strippers, tripple BS spawned. This happened three times for me. Other that that. Rocks being spread out that much is not such a big deal. Also, crockite and bistot rocks that I mined had more than 7000 units of ore in them. That is a wee bit more than 4 jet-cans. Which is not that bad. -- R, U, Y are letters...

Karanth Gallente Cirrius Technologies O X I D E	Posted - 2007.06.22 14:09:00 - [891] System name please, so that I can mine the hell out of.... er, "inspect" these belts... Yeah, that's it... Free beer for those who mod my sig! There is only one sig hijack that matters, the orginal and only member of the hijack squad. me. -Eris. ps Black russians are better then beer. I'll see your beer, and raise you a goat kebab -Tirg I'll take that pint and raise you two -Timmeh I bet 2 goats, 1 pint and a bag of slugs -Lordharold I grab it all, cook it/eat and drink it all and say thank you. -Pirlouit I'll call your bluff, and go all in on 3 locks of Hutch's hair. -Incognus I'll see that bet, depending on where the hair came from. -Rauth pushes the other mods out of the way Mmmm, bree - Karass Bree & goat kebabs!!! I'm in!! - Yips I swear i was in on this and someone took me out -Scyd How did I miss free BREE!!? -Kaemonn
Serik Konraj Amarr Ordos Humanitas	Posted - 2007.06.22 15:06:00 - [892] Oh my god... i just realized that i am an Amarr living in the drone regions. It can't get any worse...
Christari Zuborov	Posted - 2007.06.22 15:26:00 - [893] To CCPs defense - there's no way you guys have examined all of the new facets of the patch. I see a lot of whiners yelling about how they can't do what they've always done. Get over it, things change all of the time. It's pathetic how quickly people are in here crying about how the game mechanics are broken, unplayable, completely displacing their game life. Give a non-bias accounting of what you see in another week, after some time has passed, because I'd honestly be very surprised if anyone beyond front line triage people are listening to any of you right now. Quote: "I've moved to this desert 5 years ago, and informed you there was no water. Why haven't you brought the water you promised? My people can maybe only hold out for 4 to 5 hours longer tops" You moved to where you moved to, different areas in this game are richer than others. It's a modeled universe of variety, there's bound to be areas less bountiful than others. If you think you've found the desert - leave.
Azok Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.22 15:38:00 - [894] Originally by: Christari Zuborov To CCPs defense - there's no way you guys have examined all of the new facets of the patch. I see a lot of whiners yelling about how they can't do what they've always done. Get over it, things change all of the time. It's pathetic how quickly people are in here crying about how the game mechanics are broken, unplayable, completely displacing their game life. Give a non-bias accounting of what you see in another week, after some time has passed, because I'd honestly be very surprised if anyone beyond front line triage people are listening to any of you right now. Quote: "I've moved to this desert 5 years ago, and informed you there was no water. Why haven't you brought the water you promised? My people can maybe only hold out for 4 to 5 hours longer tops" You moved to where you moved to, different areas in this game are richer than others. It's a modeled universe of variety, there's bound to be areas less bountiful than others. If you think you've found the desert - leave. Spoken like a true player whose home did not get messed up. I do not post much and I roll with the punches but when they take everyones income and flush it down the toilet you bet people are gonna riot. This isnt a simple case of people whining because they want everything its a case of people waiting 8 months for fixes and not only do we not get fixes we get our main source of income nuked. I like where I live and I really do not care if we can not make as much as some areas I can deal with that but what I can not deal with is their inability to just fix the very few things that we depend on to survive. Please fix the rats and the roids. " The forecast for tonight, Dark" George Carlin
ghosttr Amarr ARK-CORP FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.22 15:47:00 - [895] Originally by: Serik Konraj Oh my god... i just realized that i am an Amarr living in the drone regions. It can't get any worse... Well at least now we dont have to worry about being nerfed any further Stop the carebear whine, Fix Cloaking
Cruel Fox Singulerity Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.22 15:51:00 - [896] Originally by: Christari Zuborov To CCPs defense - there's no way you guys have examined all of the new facets of the patch. I see a lot of whiners yelling about how they can't do what they've always done. Get over it, things change all of the time. It's pathetic how quickly people are in here crying about how the game mechanics are broken, unplayable, completely displacing their game life. Give a non-bias accounting of what you see in another week, after some time has passed, because I'd honestly be very surprised if anyone beyond front line triage people are listening to any of you right now. Quote: "I've moved to this desert 5 years ago, and informed you there was no water. Why haven't you brought the water you promised? My people can maybe only hold out for 4 to 5 hours longer tops" You moved to where you moved to, different areas in this game are richer than others. It's a modeled universe of variety, there's bound to be areas less bountiful than others. If you think you've found the desert - leave. Christari Zuborov - what the hell r u on about??? Althow we moved where we choose to - there r thing wich should be all around! We r not asking for nothing more but fot things wich should be accesable that r there and actually works!!! CCP is BUGGUING this space more and more and IDK what u have to say in CCP suport when it is more then obviuslly they scruwed it up good AGAIN! And i do love ppl who r posting here and actually not being IN SITUATION!!! When u see 0 ratz for few systems u know there is something wrong as it never was like that b4!!! When u see roids like nearlly with 0 amount u know it is something wrong as they r not minable, when u see ratz droping nothing u know it is something wrong as it is NO WHERE like that. Actually is Drone pace Eve at all??? Looks like big NO to me! We were taken away right to mine, to rat so WTF! Suporting words to CCP - u r trying well - bugging drone space to its limits
Petstretsi Zuborov	Posted - 2007.06.22 16:04:00 - [897] Edited by: Petstretsi Zuborov on 22/06/2007 16:11:58 Edited by: Petstretsi Zuborov on 22/06/2007 16:04:52 [edit - sorry, clicked my alt on posting by mistake] Your main source of income was nuked because the drones had too much yield, so enjoy the windfall. The yield was so high it caused the entire mineral market to crash. Have you looked at the market? It's already recovering in pricing and hopefully it will continue to do so. What this means for you and I in 0.0 is that we'll make more money mining with less effort, which is a good thing. So start investigating alternatives now and try out the other exploration sites. Be prepared, it takes some time and effort. In my experience I can go 8-15 solar systems of investigation before I get a hit. On top of finally finding one, you may spend quite a bit of time drilling down to which planet it's located at. The sites vary in signal strength, and depending on that strength, it could be a real easy 1 in 2 chance, or a dreadful 1 in 40 chance each time you scan to find it. It's worth the effort though, because once you do nail down those sites you can find BPCs, mods, all kinds of stuff - but it takes a LOT of patience. Read the exploration document some other players created, read it thoroughly until you understand the finer points. It isn't quick money like ratting, but for those who spend the time training the skills and reading the documents to understand how it works, it's extremely profitable. [edit #2] I and a couple other people did a drone exploration site last night, took us all of 5 minutes to find and about 20 minutes to complete. There were enough wrecks that it took 3 scavenger ships about 45 minutes to clean the area up. There was a decent amount of minerals to be had, not comparable to mining, but for firing cannons instead of training spending 200 mill on a hulk, I think it's acceptable.
Cruel Fox Singulerity Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.22 16:11:00 - [898] Edited by: Cruel Fox on 22/06/2007 16:12:19 Yet another one - zydrine was educed out of alloys yes - ok - but that is not the same as removing all ratzs from all ower! PPL u just dont realize u can spend 1h or more to find single rat! out of: broken ratz broken roids and broken exploration wich more options should we take? I wont even go into discusion about BLUE MOON land! So yes - tell us smart guys how we make those huge bilions needed to mantain aliances! I am all ears and ready to jump!
Virtuozzo IVC Consortium INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.06.22 16:13:00 - [899] Christari > It speaks for itself that CCP cannot examine each and every aspect of a content patch, as it speaks for itself that EVE is a complicated environment where pretty much everything ties into everything. Change one thing here, observer consequences (wanted or unwanted) elsewhere - as for instance the ore distribution change which resulted in roids being 20k+ from each other (with a median average in for instance the LQ- region before Prism stepped in of 90K). This thread isn't about whining. It's about observations on acknowledged broken game features, errors in design and adjustments to a changing EVE in 0.0. It is encouraging to see CCP staff on the case both via the forums, IRC and in game, while myriads of others slave in the database :-) But, it is a work in process, one which however unfortunate as it may be has drastic consequences. Partly because of long lasting issues (8 months is a long time after all) partly because of normal post patch hickups which are being addressed, partly because these days competition between alliances in no longer a matter of conflicts within regions, but across regions and the galaxy alike. EVE is an arms race, and whereas all regions in EVE have been designed with advantages and disadvantages the new regions have had, and to a high degree still have, a variety of structural problems which unfortunate as it may be affect the very nature of EVE: conflict. As a staff member in a stressy moment posted a while back "there's 5000 other systems to choose from", or as you say "you've found the desert". Both present perspectives from the outside, bypassing the things that went wrong in implementing the design of the new regions in game, and adjusting a new content element to changes in game (as it always goes no matter how subtly some things may be). The new regions are an example of a lot of hard work, but yes, errors have been made, and it has taken a long long time to address them. But they are being addressed. One step at a time, tedious steps, while the rest of EVE moves forward it is the populations of the new regions who have shown incredible patience and trust in CCP to take care of their game - and yes, it's clear CCP care about every aspect of the game, but they're humans as well (except Oneiromancer who is Divine btw). It's a process. The changes as they were made with Revelations II have impact, but still leave a lot to be addressed. Encounter vs Exploration site issues for instance, the reward ratios of rats (keep in mind that in any other region in EVE you can make more ISK in half the time through bounty rats whereas the values of both generic and commander rogue drones are directly subject to empire prices without the presence of a base bounty value. If an empire economy aspect of T2 rig components tanks well, fine, the moment it gets flooded (like now with the increase in supply from other places in EVE, the direct affect is most drastic in the drone regions. This is but one example. Meanwhile do not underestimate all of this for all this time in the current polarised 0.0 area of EVE. It has impact. And don't forget the fun factors involved. Any gank squad who wants to take out some targets anywhere in EVE but can't find them for a moment can hit some rats and make ISK and here and there score a nice piece of loot. Try that in the new regions and you will get bored out of your skull, and loose money on it :P Now Revelations II is here, drop ratios and rates have gone down. Structural output of alloys has been changed allowing finally for production from local resources. But, at the same time the risk-reward ratio has been tilted even further. On top of that, it seems that the factors of fun, time-to-isk, efficiency and such are overlooked, while the rest of EVE does not have these drawbacks, no matter how crappy an area is. All in all, it's a process but a tedious one, and the race continues way ahead of the drone region inhabitants. Virtuozzo Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!" snip Inappropriate. -Elmo Pug
Virtuozzo IVC Consortium INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.06.22 16:27:00 - [900] Originally by: Petstretsi Zuborov Your main source of income was nuked because the drones had too much yield, so enjoy the windfall. The yield was so high it caused the entire mineral market to crash. Have you looked at the market? It's already recovering in pricing and hopefully it will continue to do so. What this means for you and I in 0.0 is that we'll make more money mining with less effort, which is a good thing. So start investigating alternatives now and try out the other exploration sites. Be prepared, it takes some time and effort. In my experience I can go 8-15 solar systems of investigation before I get a hit. On top of finally finding one, you may spend quite a bit of time drilling down to which planet it's located at. The sites vary in signal strength, and depending on that strength, it could be a real easy 1 in 2 chance, or a dreadful 1 in 40 chance each time you scan to find it. It's worth the effort though, because once you do nail down those sites you can find BPCs, mods, all kinds of stuff - but it takes a LOT of patience. .. I and a couple other people did a drone exploration site last night, took us all of 5 minutes to find and about 20 minutes to complete. There were enough wrecks that it took 3 scavenger ships about 45 minutes to clean the area up. There was a decent amount of minerals to be had, not comparable to mining, but for firing cannons instead of training spending 200 mill on a hulk, I think it's acceptable. You're confusing a few things. Yield from alloys was adjusted because the local resource per type distribution was a mismatch, while the total volume of resources per type was drastically less then what was designed for. This, combined with acknowledged bugs, resulted in conditions which forced folks to invest in shipping billions of units of low ends, local production and supply - required in times of conflict - was not possible otherwise. No other region had that situation. Every region in eve lacks a bit of at least one type of resource, but it designed so that manpower can overcome this on a local level. This was badly done in the drone regions. So, alloys were adjusted for mineral composition. Cool. Trouble was that the drop volumes were halved. Same for the ratios, and when post patch folks couldn't find rats things became a bit hectic >.< But this last part is something already being worked on. Even then, main source of income, which takes a lot more time then income in other regions via rats to acquire .. it's seperate from resource distribution, it's a factor of time for the game. Exploration now that you mention it, I'm sorry, new region exploration and encounter sites do not drop modules, bpc's or such. Apart from the Unknown signature issue that is complicating enough as it is. Signatures have different signal strength, but, well, there simply isn't much. Nor does it function properly. Nor can you distinguish between Encounter and Path sites. Let's also not forget that the new rogue drone commanders only drop a handful of T2 rig components, subject to empire price, independant of actual value rather then perceived value. Look, I know you're looking at it from the outside, and to a degree want to help. But, there's still structural issues in the design of the drone regions which fall in a number of categories ranging from broken features, patch hickups, unparalleled dependancies on empire and this cross-eve price levels without base income sources like NPC bounties, the list goes on, and on. As for Zydrine prices :P Those prices plummeted as there was nothing else to do, and income already structurally low. The prices rose actually because a bunch of us went to war, and stopped ratting :P Virtuozzo Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!" snip Inappropriate. -Elmo Pug

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