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Forrest TheMiner
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Posted - 2016.09.02 20:33:27 -
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I am trying to get into science and industry and i am tempting to buy a T2 bpo to produce from. Are they still worth it? And is the 150B price tag justifiable?
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Do Little
Virgin Plc Evictus.
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Posted - 2016.09.02 21:04:16 -
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Invention cost varies but, for modules, I assume an average 100,000 ISK/module. So I can invent BPC's to make 1.5 million modules for 150 billion ISK. Personally, I think there are better ways to put that much cash to work.
CCP has announced that datacore gameplay may be changing with the new structures - we don't have any details but the original devblog talked about datacore caches that spawn near the structures. That could mean lower invention cost which would reduce the value of T2 BPOs.
There is general consensus that the T2 BPOs were a bad idea when originally introduced and it wouldn't surprise me if CCP is looking for a way to remove them from the game. That would also reduce their value since CCP is unlikely to buy them back at market price - more likely the original price paid! |
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
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Posted - 2016.09.03 05:01:28 -
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They're collector's items. Some of them can produce at a decent profit but never enough to cover cost. At this point I could even see them losing value over time.
If you want to do T2, invent. If you want to own a hilariously expensive bit of Eve history and you can't get anyone to sell you a Guardian-Vexor, get a BPO. |
Red fall
Pure Pleassue Seaker What Alliance
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Posted - 2016.09.05 10:34:12 -
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The people selling them are hoping somebody is silly enough to pay massively inflated price. They only have to sell one every 6 months to make a huge profit.
The curse for instance brought at 150 billion assuming you buy the mats straight from the market will take you 42 years to pay off that's just lol. Even when t2 bpo were half decent at making money the going rate was ten year rate of return. Anything much about that is just fishing hoping for a fool to bit.
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Andrea Cemenotar
Elena Minasse Operations
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Posted - 2016.09.05 17:32:10 -
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first of all I'd like to point out that all BPO's in game are legacy items from old system and their numbers are reflecting the very limited amounts of them
if you want to manufacture t2 equipment [and/or ships] you'll need either t1 BPO and invent t2 BPC's or buy t2 BPS's via contracts from ppl doing so |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
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Posted - 2016.09.06 14:42:34 -
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T2 BPOs haven't really been "worth it" for years now.
They are excellent at generating immense amounts of butthurt from spacepoors, though.
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Titanium Vokan
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.09.08 09:28:31 -
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In before the "Waah CEE CEE PEEEE it's not fair cos my friend told me that you gave him a collection of T2 BPO's for nothing as it was your round in the pub and you didn't have enough cash in your wallet.
I demand you get rid of them or seed them on the market for everyone to buy
Yours angrily
Wine E. Git" |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
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Posted - 2016.09.08 16:55:01 -
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Forrest TheMiner wrote:I am trying to get into science and industry and i am tempting to buy a T2 bpo to produce from. Then you are heading in the wrong direction.
T2 items are created via invention of BPC to create T2 BPC.
Invention was introduced in the Revelations expansion in 2006 (read these for history - not very useful otherwise): Dev Blog: Nessie is the Mother of Invention Dev Blog: Invention: status and update (Revelations 1.3) Dev Blog: And today's winning Lottery Numbers are... Dev Blog: Invention goes on...but where does the lottery go? Dev Blog: Invention Evolved Dev Blog: More Changes with Invention in Trinity
More recent info about invention (T2) and reverse engineering (T3): Dev Blog: Lighting the invention bulb Dev Blog: Invention updates in Phoebe
Forrest TheMiner wrote:Are they still worth it? And is the 150B price tag justifiable? Not really, unless you consider that they are rare collectors items. |
Toobo
Project Fruit House Solyaris Chtonium
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Posted - 2016.09.12 03:13:05 -
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I wouldn't say T2 BPOs are no good. It all depends on your NAV & budget. I could afford a few T2 BPOs if I wanted, but I'm not rich enough to tie up that much ISK into these items for long term, and my ISK would be better spent on other things where I can get quicker return in more foreseeable future.
But let's say, if I had over 3~4 trillion ISK, I wouldn't mind spending some of that ISK into T2 BPO, as a way of diversifying my portfolio.
If 20~50% of your NAV is on T2 BPOs, it may not be the best way to use your ISK. But if you are rich enough that a collection of T2 BPOs make up maybe 5~10% of your NAV, I wouldn't say it's a bad deal.
People who say T2 BPOs are not 'worth it' just don't have enough ISK for them IMHO. After you go over certain level of ISK the game changes and the things you thought were 'not worth it' becomes a viable option for diversification
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
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Posted - 2016.09.12 08:38:15 -
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Toobo wrote:I wouldn't say T2 BPOs are no good. It all depends on your NAV & budget. I could afford a few T2 BPOs if I wanted, but I'm not rich enough to tie up that much ISK into these items for long term, and my ISK would be better spent on other things where I can get quicker return in more foreseeable future.
But let's say, if I had over 3~4 trillion ISK, I wouldn't mind spending some of that ISK into T2 BPO, as a way of diversifying my portfolio.
If 20~50% of your NAV is on T2 BPOs, it may not be the best way to use your ISK. But if you are rich enough that a collection of T2 BPOs make up maybe 5~10% of your NAV, I wouldn't say it's a bad deal.
People who say T2 BPOs are not 'worth it' just don't have enough ISK for them IMHO. After you go over certain level of ISK the game changes and the things you thought were 'not worth it' becomes a viable option for diversification The _only_ way T2 BPO are worthwhile is if you sell the BPO for at least what you paid for it, after using it to manufacture.
Even then, the opportunity cost is huge.
You can easily earn 2%-5% by doing nothing while investing in a reliable bond, which is also roughly the typical market spread between buy & sell.
Unless you can earn more than that, and manage to sell the BPO at par or better, it just isn't worthwhile. |
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Toobo
Project Fruit House Solyaris Chtonium
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Posted - 2016.09.12 09:20:09 -
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Cabalander, I don't disagree with you. There are better ways to invest ISK. But I was talking abouy a scenario where you are already doing hundreds of billions of bonds and have a few limited addition ships and multiple sets of fully researched cap BPOs and etc etc.
I have not reached that point and that's why I'm not buying T2 BPOs, but there comes a point when such things become viable option. It's like those VVIPs in private banking. They have so much money and have already more than enough amount in other financial products, they look into buying some outrageously expensive properties, land mark, etc.
I know I would get a few T2 BPOs if I had 4 trillions or more, but to each to their own I suppose.
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Raz Xym
The Graduates The Initiative.
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Posted - 2016.09.13 02:20:31 -
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Most T2 BPO's are only worth bragging rights. They will want billions that will take many many years to recover. But if you have more ISK than brains, I would go for it.
But as always, you might find the right deal at the right time, so who knows.... You might be the one to make ISK.... |
Lord Ra
Section XII The Southern Querious Drug Cartel
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Posted - 2016.09.21 17:01:57 -
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Hope this helps a bit
Some T2 BPOs are still worth your time regardless of wallet size, you can easily work this out and find out which ones for yourself. Plenty of people out there collect them for building it's definitly still a thing.
Another lucrative side to T2 BPOs is flipping them for profit, somtimes you can flip one within a week for 25b profit, other times you can wait 6 months for a few bil either way its profit and if you have idle isk in your wallet and your doing everything else in the game to maximise your income then you may aswel do it.
The main problem is the majority of the profitable T2 BPOs are being built from and seldom appear on contracts, lets face it if your wallet stretchs far enough to buy a T2 BPO it probably also stretches far enough to allow you to manipulate the market for that BPO aswell.
Most of the dead T2 BPO's which either produce at a loss (unless your at the bottom of the moon goo ladder), are the ones that you should be looking to flip for a quick profit and your audience for those as mentioned above are the collectors or the clueless.
I personally don't have a massive collection anymore but as a general rule of thumb i try to keep hold of T2 BPOs that bring in 2b+ per month and theres quite a few out there, and if i see a cheap auction for what i referred to above as a dead bpo ill try snap it up and relist it back up.
Ive made 55b in one week just from flipping 2 T2 BPO's and know a couple of people who have made even more than that in a single contract, over the years ive really lost count of the percentage of my wallet that was earned in this way but it's well worth doing, however i do feel the flipping side of T2 BPOs is in decline with the data core changes and speculation which may make invention even cheaper, damaging overall values and making all instead of most, collectors items. Proceed with Caution :o)
Regards Ra
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