At last!

well, at last we've gone from step one to two, but at last none of the less!

Edit: I've noticed that you could shave off a few pages by saying that 'MI will be the same as PI' without the need to descriptions, and in the few cases of there being changes just add those changes in. There is no need to repeat what was already said (also may want to consider such with the link and storage facility descriptions too)

The idea is well thought, liked and contributed by many players in the F&I channel. I hope CCP will prove their capability of GÇÖcommitment to excellenceGÇÿ through adopting wonderful ideas from player like this.

to OP, I will like you with all my accounts and hope for best, but seriously don't get too attached.

Reading trough it. Till now this is looking just brilliant. Well i went trough version 1.0 and u mate are just amasing.
+1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1

But got one question. How u plan to do the population birth and death. I mean it should all go in real time.. And i dont know entirely the story of new eden, but i dont think there should be lot of population on those plantes.

I mean if every player can build cities of million of population wldnt be in line with the story i think. Shouldnt it be that every player can build a small encampment of few dozens of ppl who will work, support and defend the PI production.

CCP should start a developer program in a similar way that Smartphone app markets work. Create a framework where third parties can implement additions similar to this which are then accepted by CCP to be put in Eve.

Lot less work for CCP, lot more Sandbox.

I guess the question to ask is this... someone running twenty, thirty-plus planets... how much work does this add to their already busy PI? How will it affect POS fuel prices? Will smaller corps dependant on less insane fuel prices wind up having their POS's shut down because of the side effects of this?

What are the ripple effects? How will it ultimately affect T2 production? Research? Everything the little guy with a POS in high sec does for a living?

Hmm... and, considering Dust will not take effect in wormhole space, how would things work there? Cities and all that don't really make sense in frontier space.

I find myself intrigued. :-)

One last thought (for now...)

The transition to getting something like this set up from current would be expected to take how long and at what expense? People that rely on PI for their own pos fuel... would there be a significant period of fime of clenched bowels trying to get things running again before the pos goes belly up?

If the answer is to stock up prior, you're creating an artificial spike in prices as people take advantage of the transition.

(Note: not being critical at all, just trying to think of side-effects that may not be thought of initially.)

The homeless thing... I don't like that. Too much extra to worry about when all I want is to make fuels.

Now... if they can be converted into biomass or something... A billion isk for a city? People are running 20+ planets... that's insane. As nicely thought out as the idea is, it's really too much of a pain in the ass imo. PI is already a bit of a chore, but not so much that it's not worth doing. I'd fear something this elaborate blowing up to the point where you log in and spend hours dealing with all this stuff only to find you never had time to undock before bed. This is almost worthy of a game itself, not a side activity.

stuff.

I've heard that so many times, and while I agree that ultimately game design should be entirely left up to CCP, I don't think it would hurt the game at all if some of CCP's game designers put their ego's down for a minute and took into consideration some of the kickass game design ideas that some players spend lots of time and energy devising. Seriously, what would it hurt? Eve's player base is full of smart people and if I were CCP I would make it mandatory for game designers to at least rummage through these ideas and see what good stuff can come from them.

Edit: I recall this original idea from another thread and I supported it then, so I can't imagine why I wouldn't now. Thanks for putting it all together into a PDF, I'll digest it over the next few days if I can. I'll give a pre-emptive +1 based on what I recall from the original thread. Great work!

Looking good! One nitpick... "Trail" accounts, in reference to SPI Banking. Not only a typo, but also a bad idea; I would suggest that it makes abundant sense to simply make loaned money one of many features that Trial Accounts are simply not eligible to engage in.

I like a lot of this. I've always wanted some type of rts eletment to eve, available to players.

a couple notes though:
the "bank should NOT be able to generate ANY isk from nothing."

Can anyone tell me is this even being taken in consideration? Because if it aint we should burn Jita again.

PI 2.1 - The Assembly Hall version
From: CCP Phantom
Sent: 2011.12.22 10:39
To: Asuka Solo

Hello Asuka Solo,

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to you as well!

Thank you for very much for your almost overwhelming work on the PI 2.1 document. The link to the pdf file is, from my point of view, fine and certainly that amount of work deserves an applause.

I already wrote a mail to Team Pi, so that they can take a closer look. :-)

Personally I think your ideas to be excellent and exciting, but I am not a game designer and I do not know the constrains under which PI has to operate.

It was a good idea to post in the Assembly Hall, the CSM can be a powerful help. Maybe you can try to contact the CSM members directly too. Or you can even try to run for CSM yourself in the long run too!


Best regards,
CCP Phantom
Community Coordinator

Also one thing for me: It will be probably long and bumpy road to build meaningful cities (courscant-sized city could take years to build), so it could be nice to being able to merchandise city/planetary structures ownership.
So you could simply sell/buy existed structures shares on market/contract, instead making military escalation only viable option to take them.

So when do you plan to upload the PI 3.0?

I've just read the part about the social banks and the loans.

The loans part is fine, but what about the deposits? They should exsist together. Because when you start a bank, you don't just giving avay loans from your pocket, the main source for loans is the money from the client's deposits. Loan interest > deposit interest = proffit.

This idea is incredibly popular, despite the fact that it not only flies in the face of what CCP imagines Planetary Industry to be like, but also splits up PI into three categories even when it would be far better to have them all integrated with each other entirely.

Thank you for the link here. The document was a very interesting read. If you'd ever apply for CSM you'd surely had my vote to promote this.

Allow me to add some points of critisism tough:

There are many repetitive passages about the planetary an lunar facilities which in effect are the same. Possibly you could pull the two togheter and make emphasisized passages about the differences applying (eg POS effects, Custom offices, Atmosphere.)

I would also like to voice my disagreement about the habitability classification of the planets.

I'd suggest a Master of Orion approach on planet type boni/mali that are more diverse than just population growth effects such as population size bonus on planets with own atmosphere (upper four on the list), maintenance penalty on planets with harsh climate (more heating on ice planets), reinforced structures on storm, lava and plasma planets incurring a building cost penalty. Moons should be classified as barren planets imho.

To my opinion it should be more like

Habitable:
Temperate

Oceanic
Ice
Storm
------------- upper have atmosphere (and water), lower have none and would need a complete hermetic sealed encapsulation -------------adding to building and maintenance cost)
Barren/Moons
Lava
Plasma

Gas (no solid nor fluid ground to build on, basically a settlement of any kind would in effect be a very planet near space station facing gravity and grave atmospheric pressure)
Hostile


In the Military Installations i miss some sort of Security Contracting Center as a kind of DUSTie base where the authorized city officials can contract mercs to assist local ground defense on a player set set of conditions like capturing/recapturing districts via domination, capture the flag or depletion of respawns, defending for an amount of time, sabotage, extraction and escort, emergency evacuation of goods roughly resembling the sidetasks in Mass Effect

Vice versa the invading fleet could have a ship-module (drop-off invason command center or so) allowing for troop deployment as soon as the ship is within range (usable for DUST-mercs with or without NPC soldiers, Vehicles, etc)

Anything new happening in this field? Any hope for PI 3.0 anytime soon?

I highly appreciate the work!

I just started playing EVE and I think that there's a beautiful world out there, but you can do nothing with it...