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Tergola
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.09.04 15:22:16 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Tergola wrote:Tam Arai wrote:you have a job, buy plex for cash and sell on market- no afk mission running needed I would rather quit the game than pay with real money for sub. And if it was only me thinking this way, then it wouldn't be a big deal at all, but looking at the dropping numbers of paying accounts, it seems that there's a big category of players who think this way. Good GTFO, no one wants you here with this attitude. You dont want to pay real money and you dont want to take the time to make isk in game? So what exactly are you contibuting? If you're not a troll you're a sick ****. When you wrote this I was contributing with something to giving you something to write about. And you probably think "that would have been great! GÇ£ but how about half of the posts you're replied to never had existed, would you have gotten bored then? Many of you have the attitude of" that alliance is now completely dead, hardly anyone even logging in!! We have a bunch of null systems to rat and mine all day with no interference!! GÇ£ but how about if you also don't have anyone to sell your ore and loot in high sec because the same people who were kicking your butt in null sec had industry toons in high sec and were buying your stuff all the time. We are all connected to each other in this game, even the never unlocking scammers in jita, you are wrong to think that's their only accounts. I'm sure the community is not affected if I quit EVE or not, but when many players quit because of the same reason, then it is a big problem for the game and ultimately for ccp's profits. |
Elenahina
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
1130
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Posted - 2016.09.04 16:57:26 -
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Caleb Seremshur wrote:Tergola wrote:Many of you are missing my point. It's obvious now that semi-aactive playing was a big part of the player community and it's obvious now that those players have either drastically reduced the number of their accounts or have moved completely to doing other stuff than EVE. My point is NO ONE, from ccp to the one-minute-old noob, can benefit from a significantly smaller player base. Less players means: -Less money for ccp -Less noobs to shoot for pvpers -Less noobs to scam -Less miners to gank -Less industry -Less chances to get ganked in my multi-billion golem fit -Less forum warriors Less players means less stuff to do for EVERYONE and that leads to boredom and quitting the game. Noone gives a **** about your point. That's the point you are missing.
It may be wrong, but I loled.
Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you.
Also, iderno
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Elenahina
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
1130
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Posted - 2016.09.04 17:00:11 -
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Tergola wrote:Tam Arai wrote:you have a job, buy plex for cash and sell on market- no afk mission running needed I would rather quit the game than pay with real money for sub. And if it was only me thinking this way, then it wouldn't be a big deal at all, but looking at the dropping numbers of paying accounts, it seems that there's a big category of players who think this way.
I've never plexed my accounts on any kind of regular basis. I'd rather spend the ISK I make on
1.) Making more ISK 2) Buying ships so I can explode them 3) Making even more ISK. 4. Occasionally investing in newbros.
Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you.
Also, iderno
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Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
15285
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Posted - 2016.09.04 17:10:10 -
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Making every mechanics pro-active would be a mistake, same as making every mechanics afk.
Industry is by definition afk because of long waiting times. Mining, is semi afk, and making on top of it bonused with proactive, arcady system would be something interesting. Little bits of rare ores mined from usual asteroids for example, but only with targeted UI interface. Same with salvaging. Combat shouldnt be AFK, it should provide risk that could be mitigated with pro-active system.
Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
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Keno Skir
824
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Posted - 2016.09.04 18:58:52 -
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Tergola wrote:Keno Skir wrote:Wind you neck in OP, AFK play is a cancer on this game. People like you are a part of MMO's we all accept but don't start thinking of yourselves as a legitimate playerbase.
If you have a job you can choose to pay for your subscription or grind for it, you can't choose to grind for it then blame the game for making you grind though.
Not that i care if you leave the game or not, the less AFK players in space the better. You miss my point. My life doesn't allow me to be the active payer YOU and CCP wants but it really looks like at least ccp is missing those players like me and I think they even wonder what did they ever do wrong. And God forbid that YOU miss me... or wait, do you miss those noob pvpers that you used to find in low sec and even null?
I didn't miss your point it was just wrong. Nothing to see here.
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Beta Maoye
134
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Posted - 2016.09.04 20:18:35 -
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As the average age of players is raising, many players don't have as much time as before in gaming. Family and job responsibilities become the centre of life. These players want to log on and get some quick actions and log off in 1-2 hours. The game should help players to save time and allow them to do some meaningful activities in relatively short period of time. Some game mechanics like jump fatigue and auto-pilot could be reviewed to reduce tedious works that players need to do to move around.
In the long run, the game should spend more effort to cater the needs of aging population that has less time for playing games. Tedious gameplay that players feel 'wasting' their time is a negative feature to players. |
Serene Repose
2885
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Posted - 2016.09.04 21:33:12 -
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Tergola wrote: Your sig is absolutely right and even though you think that you can live better without all the people you would include in this "idiocracy", ccp is realising it's surely not good for profit. In many cases you can live better without the idiocracy but when "idiocracy" prepares your food, you better be nice to them because they can spit in it or even wipe their genitals with it.... Lord have mercy. I prepare my food. I don't go to fast food joints. In fact, I live with a 5-star chef who doesn't go to fast food joints, either. In fact, there is no place in my life where I cross paths with the idiots. I'm sorry you don't have the imagination, or the skills to arrange your own life better, but that being the case, please don't assume (publicly) everyone else shares your chosen fate. This sig is sarcasm, by the way. If an idiot walks behind my car I'll happily forget which pedal is the brake.
We must accommodate the idiocracy.
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Tergola
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
11
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Posted - 2016.09.04 22:49:34 -
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Serene Repose wrote:Tergola wrote: Your sig is absolutely right and even though you think that you can live better without all the people you would include in this "idiocracy", ccp is realising it's surely not good for profit. In many cases you can live better without the idiocracy but when "idiocracy" prepares your food, you better be nice to them because they can spit in it or even wipe their genitals with it.... Lord have mercy. I prepare my food. I don't go to fast food joints. In fact, I live with a 5-star chef who doesn't go to fast food joints, either. In fact, there is no place in my life where I cross paths with the idiots. I'm sorry you don't have the imagination, or the skills to arrange your own life better, but that being the case, please don't assume (publicly) everyone else shares your chosen fate. This sig is sarcasm, by the way. If an idiot walks behind my car I'll happily forget which pedal is the brake. You suggest in your post that I'm an idiot and then you say that you don't cross paths with idiots... If you are referring to your real life only than you must be living in a cave on planet Pluto and born straight smart-ass-genius. BTW do you only drive inside your cave? Cuz at least on the motorway I get to meet plenty of idiots..
Anyway, mocking and insulting aside, ccp needs to make room for all of us if they want the cash. |
Elenahina
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
1132
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Posted - 2016.09.04 22:57:01 -
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Tergola wrote:
Anyway, mocking and insulting aside, ccp needs to make room for all of us if they want the cash.
No, they don't. You don't have to actually give them your money, but they don't have to do anything.
Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you.
Also, iderno
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Tergola
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
18
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Posted - 2016.09.04 23:25:35 -
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Elenahina wrote:Tergola wrote:
Anyway, mocking and insulting aside, ccp needs to make room for all of us if they want the cash.
No, they don't. You don't have to actually give them your money, but they don't have to do anything. They are begging for players even in their blog, they even mentioned their servers and that means they made made such an investment because they were expecting more players. |
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Morgan Agrivar
TriStar Market Solutions
453
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Posted - 2016.09.05 00:08:40 -
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Tergola wrote:This is just my opinion and example as an average pve player and a bad/very bad pvp player and also a person with a family and responsibilities. When mission npcs AI was "improved" I already had a few years of EVE, I had my main and an alt in low sec trying to pvp, two accounts for baiting/spying, one account for a logi tune, and a character with a perma-tank dominix to afk lvl4's and SPONSOR ALL OF THE ABOVE. So with the introduction of the improved npc AI my sponsor was useless. I can't see how would the removal of a semi-afk isk farmer benefit the game if it also means the removal of all of the accounts it was sponsoring. At that time I just moved slowly to other games and abandoned EVE. Now I came back, I want to play but like back then, I still have a life, a job, and I still find some time to be very active in game but what good is that if I need to spend it all on making isk? I used to semi-afk missions even at work a bit, when having dinner, or taking a shower. Now what should I do - give up having a life, give up Facebook / YouTube / films just to have the time to make isk and also pvp? I'm posting this only because ccp looks so pathetic now begging for players when it was them who carefully selected only the active players and mock the semi active ones, and since I know that the average player-age in EVE is high, that means that many players have a life and responsibilities or just other stuff to do then being extremely active and careful at what's going on with their characters in game. But after seeing the ships levelled between races and still vargur and kronos get a useless bonus to the fall-off instead of optimal like the already better in dps paladin, I wonder why do I still bother writing all this... And btw, THAT ab bonus on nightmare...........it would have been better off with a structure hp bonus.. ccp = ignorance When I first started playing this game back in August 2013, you were the type of player I hated. As a newer player, I couldn't compete with the likes of you and it irritated me more since I knew most of you were not even sitting there at your keyboard while I was glued to mine.
Any afk or botting gameplay (and I don't see a difference between the two) is the cancer of most MMOs and I am also estatic to see that CCP is trying to do something to limit their play. They still have a long way to go but you don't get special treatment or recognition because your cash cow has died. I don't have any sympathy for you.
There are others who try their best to juggle real life and Eve. You are no different than many other players but they either leave Eve or adapt their play style to compensate. Don't expect CCP to change their stance on this.
If you decide to leave, can I haz your stuffz and isk?
This would cure me of the fear...
CCP Explorer liked you forum post. Now my life is complete...
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Tergola
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
18
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Posted - 2016.09.05 02:09:30 -
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Morgan Agrivar wrote: When I first started playing this game back in August 2013, you were the type of player I hated. As a newer player, I couldn't compete with the likes of you and it irritated me more since I knew most of you were not even sitting there at your keyboard while I was glued to mine.
Any afk or botting gameplay (and I don't see a difference between the two) is the cancer of most MMOs and I am also estatic to see that CCP is trying to do something to limit their play. They still have a long way to go but you don't get special treatment or recognition because your cash cow has died. I don't have any sympathy for you.
There are others who try their best to juggle real life and Eve. You are no different than many other players but they either leave Eve or adapt their play style to compensate. Don't expect CCP to change their stance on this.
If you decide to leave, can I haz your stuffz and isk?
The usual "I hate you because I can", there are and have been devastating wars about it, because in some people's minds their kind is the only important and all the others should just die because they are of no importance. Maybe in your small perfect world you don't see the importance of my kind of players but ccp surely misses us because we were keeping many accounts active. As for my stuff, I sold most of my characters and all my multi-billion fits to buy enough game time so I can watch this snake island until the end while I play other games. |
Brokk Witgenstein
Extreme Agony
707
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Posted - 2016.09.05 02:29:20 -
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Another botter / AFKer gone?
Bye & good riddance.
I want to play against real people. Less influx of automated income means an increase on ATK income. |
Morgan Agrivar
TriStar Market Solutions
455
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Posted - 2016.09.05 02:31:58 -
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Tergola wrote:Morgan Agrivar wrote: When I first started playing this game back in August 2013, you were the type of player I hated. As a newer player, I couldn't compete with the likes of you and it irritated me more since I knew most of you were not even sitting there at your keyboard while I was glued to mine.
Any afk or botting gameplay (and I don't see a difference between the two) is the cancer of most MMOs and I am also estatic to see that CCP is trying to do something to limit their play. They still have a long way to go but you don't get special treatment or recognition because your cash cow has died. I don't have any sympathy for you.
There are others who try their best to juggle real life and Eve. You are no different than many other players but they either leave Eve or adapt their play style to compensate. Don't expect CCP to change their stance on this.
If you decide to leave, can I haz your stuffz and isk?
...you don't see the importance of my kind of players but ccp surely misses us... Bummer.
But trust me when I say this...you won't be missed.
This would cure me of the fear...
CCP Explorer liked you forum post. Now my life is complete...
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Tergola
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
20
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Posted - 2016.09.05 02:36:44 -
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Brokk Witgenstein wrote:Another botter / AFKer gone?
Bye & good riddance.
I want to play against real people. Less influx of automated income means an increase on ATK income. I was real on all my accounts dude, I just didn't pay attention to 1-2 |
Keebler Wizard
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
24
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Posted - 2016.09.05 03:36:32 -
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Tergola wrote:Tam Arai wrote:you have a job, buy plex for cash and sell on market- no afk mission running needed I would rather quit the game than pay with real money for sub. And if it was only me thinking this way, then it wouldn't be a big deal at all, but looking at the dropping numbers of paying accounts, it seems that there's a big category of players who think this way.
But hey, guess what. Those accounts that are only plexing, arnt "paying" accounts. The only money CCP got was when the original player bought the plex. (Which also means someone with a subbed account gave CCP MORE money for said plex). So your entire statement is backwards. You leaving would actually be a good thing. Less of a leech on the plex system. |
Tergola
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
20
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Posted - 2016.09.05 04:42:33 -
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Keebler Wizard wrote:Tergola wrote:Tam Arai wrote:you have a job, buy plex for cash and sell on market- no afk mission running needed I would rather quit the game than pay with real money for sub. And if it was only me thinking this way, then it wouldn't be a big deal at all, but looking at the dropping numbers of paying accounts, it seems that there's a big category of players who think this way. But hey, guess what. Those accounts that are only plexing, arnt "paying" accounts. The only money CCP got was when the original player bought the plex. (Which also means someone with a subbed account gave CCP MORE money for said plex). So your entire statement is backwards. You leaving would actually be a good thing. Less of a leech on the plex system. Are you one of those players who think losing your thorax doesn't cost you anything just because you mined for it? |
Serene Repose
2893
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Posted - 2016.09.05 06:55:08 -
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Once again a thread that serves only to demonstrate how weird some people are.
We must accommodate the idiocracy.
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Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
1203
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Posted - 2016.09.05 07:00:43 -
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Tergola wrote:Brokk Witgenstein wrote:Another botter / AFKer gone?
Bye & good riddance.
I want to play against real people. Less influx of automated income means an increase on ATK income. I was real on all my accounts dude, I just didn't pay attention to 1-2 That is one of the numerous issues with multiboxing. To the player(s) wanting to interact with you on those 1-2 accounts it doesn't matter if you are not paying attention or afk doing laundry. The effect ist exactly the same.
Remove insurance.
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xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers EVEolution.
500
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Posted - 2016.09.05 08:42:06 -
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Tergola wrote: As for my stuff, I sold most of my characters and all my multi-billion fits to buy enough game time so I can watch this snake island until the end while I play other games.
Please unsub, please leave our community and never return, sell that last account and move on.
you'll feel a lot better.
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Tergola
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
21
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Posted - 2016.09.05 09:01:22 -
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xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:Tergola wrote: As for my stuff, I sold most of my characters and all my multi-billion fits to buy enough game time so I can watch this snake island until the end while I play other games.
Please unsub, please leave our community and never return, sell that last account and move on. you'll feel a lot better. No. |
Solecist Project
32918
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Posted - 2016.09.05 09:58:33 -
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Tergola wrote:Morgan Agrivar wrote: When I first started playing this game back in August 2013, you were the type of player I hated. As a newer player, I couldn't compete with the likes of you and it irritated me more since I knew most of you were not even sitting there at your keyboard while I was glued to mine.
Any afk or botting gameplay (and I don't see a difference between the two) is the cancer of most MMOs and I am also estatic to see that CCP is trying to do something to limit their play. They still have a long way to go but you don't get special treatment or recognition because your cash cow has died. I don't have any sympathy for you.
There are others who try their best to juggle real life and Eve. You are no different than many other players but they either leave Eve or adapt their play style to compensate. Don't expect CCP to change their stance on this.
If you decide to leave, can I haz your stuffz and isk?
The usual "I hate you because I can", there are and have been devastating wars about it, because in some people's minds their kind is the only important and all the others should just die because they are of no importance. Maybe in your small perfect world you don't see the importance of my kind of players but ccp surely misses us because we were keeping many accounts active. As for my stuff, I sold most of my characters and all my multi-billion fits to buy enough game time so I can watch this snake island until the end while I play other games. No one cares about your lies and bullshit. If you wanted to leave you'd be gone already.
Not even CCP wants you.
That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
17995
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Posted - 2016.09.05 10:28:46 -
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Tergola wrote:Keebler Wizard wrote:Tergola wrote:Tam Arai wrote:you have a job, buy plex for cash and sell on market- no afk mission running needed I would rather quit the game than pay with real money for sub. And if it was only me thinking this way, then it wouldn't be a big deal at all, but looking at the dropping numbers of paying accounts, it seems that there's a big category of players who think this way. But hey, guess what. Those accounts that are only plexing, arnt "paying" accounts. The only money CCP got was when the original player bought the plex. (Which also means someone with a subbed account gave CCP MORE money for said plex). So your entire statement is backwards. You leaving would actually be a good thing. Less of a leech on the plex system. Are you one of those players who think losing your thorax doesn't cost you anything just because you mined for it?
Are you one of those players who think that you contribute to the game by creating no more interaction than consuming a PLEX that would otherwise have been bought by anoter player for a minutely lower price?
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
56355
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Posted - 2016.09.05 10:41:14 -
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Wow, this subforum has really gone to crap. Bet CCP really loves all of the indignant self righteous people here showing open hostility, calling the OP a troll and saying quit.
Good job. Hell it's bad enough this game chases off new players, definitely don't need to do the same to older players as well.
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
17997
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Posted - 2016.09.05 10:44:51 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Wow, this subforum has really gone to crap. Bet CCP really loves all of the indignant self righteous people here showing open hostility, calling the OP a troll and saying quit.
Good job. Hell it's bad enough this game chases off new players, definitely don't need to do the same to older players as well.
DMC
So you're openly defending someone who is rage-quitting because they can't "semi-AFK" hi-sec missions in a Golem?
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
56355
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Posted - 2016.09.05 10:54:29 -
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Malcanis wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Wow, this subforum has really gone to crap. Bet CCP really loves all of the indignant self righteous people here showing open hostility, calling the OP a troll and saying quit.
Good job. Hell it's bad enough this game chases off new players, definitely don't need to do the same to older players as well.
DMC
So you're openly defending someone who is rage-quitting because they can't "semi-AFK" hi-sec missions in a Golem? Nope, just making an observation and I didn't get that impression when I read the OP.
Even if they're considering quitting, instead of pushing them to do so, maybe offer some alternative ideas to help make their game play a bit more enjoyable, like first take out all small and medium size hull class NPC's, then launch Drones, sit back and watch them eat up the larger hull class NPC's.
Anyway, doesn't matter much, I'm sure ISD will be along soon.
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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Solecist Project
32932
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Posted - 2016.09.05 11:23:02 -
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Malcanis wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Wow, this subforum has really gone to crap. Bet CCP really loves all of the indignant self righteous people here showing open hostility, calling the OP a troll and saying quit.
Good job. Hell it's bad enough this game chases off new players, definitely don't need to do the same to older players as well.
DMC
So you're openly defending someone who is rage-quitting because they can't "semi-AFK" hi-sec missions in a Golem? And he never says something like this when carebears turn hostile...
And let's not forget that he adds nothing of what he thinks everyone else should be posting...
That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
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Tergola
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
25
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Posted - 2016.09.05 11:45:19 -
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At this point I wonder why did I even try to give a 5h1t. I'll edit the title. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
26764
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Posted - 2016.09.05 11:46:28 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Good job. Hell it's bad enough this game chases off new players, definitely don't need to do the same to older players as well.
DMC
Too late, changes made by CCP mean that the game has started to drive away older players.
Civilised behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
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Sequester Risalo
Semiki Minerals and Missiles Company Ltd.
230
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Posted - 2016.09.05 11:53:43 -
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Tergola wrote:Many of you are missing my point. It's obvious now that semi-aactive playing was a big part of the player community and it's obvious now that those players have either drastically reduced the number of their accounts or have moved completely to doing other stuff than EVE.
If you are correct and all afk mission runners plexing 5 other accounts with their activity are gone, why hasn't the price of plex dropped significantly?Are the big traders holding vast amounts of piolot licenses so successful in manipulating the market?
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