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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2016.09.04 18:18:46 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Malcanis wrote:Amy Farrah FowIer wrote:You have also the feeling that it is only a next condition for CCP, that player still play EVE? The main condition is to make profit for investors. It will take more money, which no longer ends up in the gamedevelopment. Aurum, plex, ship skins, skill trading and now "free to play" by backdoor. Man, it's pretty tough being a teenager and getting all your illusions shattered huh? What, you mean CCP isn't a charity? WTF I want my money back!!!!
Ohhhh, more bad news I am afraid :(
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
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Serene Repose
2881
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Posted - 2016.09.04 18:32:25 -
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Amy Farrah FowIer wrote:@ Serene Repose I am not sure you understand what I mean. Tell me, which investment you prefer: Investment 1: You take 40Mio of your money into a company and you get 50Mio back in 5 years. (good conditions for worker and consumer) Investment 2: You take 40Mio of your money into a company and you get 70Mio back in 2 years. (company total burned out) Investment 3: You take 40Mio of your money into a company and you get 50Mio back in 10 years. (awesome conditions for worker and consumer)
What I like is when a person proposes to discuss the economics of a situation, he/she isn't juvenile about it (like trying to set up an either/or situation that in all likelihood never existed and never will) expecting me to choose between dreamed-up extremes to prove a point that has more to do with ego than economics.....if you really want to know.
We must accommodate the idiocracy.
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Amy Farrah FowIer
SKULL AND B0NES
22
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Posted - 2016.09.04 18:56:03 -
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My first statement was, "I have the feeling that is is like....". I cant imagine, that CCP want to make this changes. For me it fells like - they are forced by investors. |
Vortexo VonBrenner
Raumfahrer Spiff Rakett Piloot Anslutning
2459
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Posted - 2016.09.04 20:06:21 -
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Riot? Are we talking about CCP? I'm confused.
I thought CCP made EvE as a hobby....you mean to tell me it's an actual business where people want pay for what they do so they can live their real lives? Whoa.
EvE security zones in pictures
EvE quick reference pdf
A wise man sums up EvE
Smoke me a Kipper...
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Foxstar Damaskeenus
Taladi Federation
280
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Posted - 2016.09.04 20:49:51 -
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Amy Farrah FowIer wrote:You have also the feeling that it is only a next condition for CCP, that player still play EVE? The main condition is to make profit for investors. It will take more money, which no longer ends up in the gamedevelopment. Aurum, plex, ship skins, skill trading and now "free to play" by backdoor.
I would like to say that I find the original posters arrogance offensive. CCP does a lot of things for the players like fanfest and alliance tournament. Also many of the devs and/or employees seem to take great interest and passion in their work.
If you want to see a company that sees their customers as cattle try working for Comcast like I used too. Or go to a fast food restaurant, it's pretty obvious upper management wants you to be hooked with no regard to your long term health.
I never saw a Warcraft dev dress up like CCP Rise or show up at an event on the other side of the world, I might not be paying attention. But considering the small player base and the complexity of this game I feel like CCP and it's managers have done an excellent job preserving the New Eden universe for us.
You sound like some San Francisco spoiled brat.
"[this thread] is a cesspit of trolling and flaming" ISD Buldath
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Elenahina
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
1131
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Posted - 2016.09.04 20:55:45 -
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Nana Skalski wrote:One thing is the mass of people in the open space reacting to danger, other thing is people with access to information around the world, you can try to fool them, but you will not fool them for long. Dont be fooled.
The flat earth society and the young earth creationists would like to point out how people with access to information can still be fooled. All of the time.
Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you.
Also, iderno
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Dark Lord Trump
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
105
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Posted - 2016.09.04 20:59:15 -
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Amy Farrah FowIer wrote:@ Serene Repose
I am not sure you understand what I mean.
Tell me, which investment you prefer:
Investment 1:
You take 40Mio of your money into a company and you get 50Mio back in 5 years. (good conditions for worker and consumer)
Investment 2: You take 40Mio of your money into a company and you get 70Mio back in 2 years. (company total burned out)
Investment 3: You take 40Mio of your money into a company and you get 50Mio back in 10 years. (awesome conditions for worker and consumer)
Investment 2. As long as I'm getting paid the company can rot for all I care. There is 0 incentive for me to keep the workers or consumers happy as an investor.
I'm going to build a big wall that will keep the Gallente out, and they're going to pay for it!
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Amy Farrah FowIer
SKULL AND B0NES
22
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Posted - 2016.09.04 21:02:07 -
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@ Dark Lord Trump
THX...thats what I want to tell... |
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers EVEolution.
500
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Posted - 2016.09.04 21:20:49 -
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Soel Reit wrote:
don't need to waste my time with you.
lol any chance of the lotto numbers while you're in such fine form ??
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xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers EVEolution.
500
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Posted - 2016.09.04 21:22:20 -
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Amy Farrah FowIer wrote:My first statement was, "I have the feeling that is is like....". I cant imagine, that CCP want to make this changes. For me it fells like - they are forced by investors.
which investors are you speaking of? |
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Serene Repose
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Posted - 2016.09.04 21:37:55 -
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Amy Farrah FowIer wrote:@ Dark Lord Trump
THX...thats what I want to tell... I see you have a sarcasm filter. Didn't the name give it away?
xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:Amy Farrah FowIer wrote:My first statement was, "I have the feeling that is is like....". I cant imagine, that CCP want to make this changes. For me it fells like - they are forced by investors. which investors are you speaking of? IKR?
It just dawned on me, "RIOT!" Was that an attempt to incite a forum riot? I thought it was a lame attempt at attracting attention to the OP using an inflammatory, or trigger word. Now, I think the statement following - "Gamedevelopment follows exclusively the interests...." - was intended as a worthy reason for us to lose our minds and run up the streets with torches and pitchforks.
Say it ain't so. *tears her garment, rends YOUR beard*
We must accommodate the idiocracy.
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Amy Farrah FowIer
SKULL AND B0NES
22
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Posted - 2016.09.04 22:01:37 -
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RIOT! Because, you want to be part of a good game (like ~2010/2011) or you want to be part of a product raped for profit?
Its your choice. |
Vortexo VonBrenner
Raumfahrer Spiff Rakett Piloot Anslutning
2461
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Posted - 2016.09.04 22:02:44 -
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Dark Lord Trump wrote:There is 0 incentive for me to keep the workers or consumers happy as an investor. Because CCP wants to go out of business and will just not think about such things? All investors are predatory and shortsighted enough to kill their golden-egg Goose? Ok. btw - do you know who owns a majority in CCP and who their main financial partner is? Hilmar aint completely stupid...
EvE security zones in pictures
EvE quick reference pdf
A wise man sums up EvE
Smoke me a Kipper...
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Elenahina
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
1133
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Posted - 2016.09.05 03:05:38 -
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Dark Lord Trump wrote:Amy Farrah FowIer wrote:@ Serene Repose
I am not sure you understand what I mean.
Tell me, which investment you prefer:
Investment 1:
You take 40Mio of your money into a company and you get 50Mio back in 5 years. (good conditions for worker and consumer)
Investment 2: You take 40Mio of your money into a company and you get 70Mio back in 2 years. (company total burned out)
Investment 3: You take 40Mio of your money into a company and you get 50Mio back in 10 years. (awesome conditions for worker and consumer)
Investment 2. As long as I'm getting paid the company can rot for all I care. There is 0 incentive for me to keep the workers or consumers happy as an investor.
Which is precisely why the investors aren't involved in the day to day running of the company.
Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you.
Also, iderno
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Jacques d'Orleans
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Posted - 2016.09.05 03:10:54 -
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Amy Farrah FowIer wrote:@ Serene Repose
I am not sure you understand what I mean.
Tell me, which investment you prefer:
Investment 1:
You take 40Mio of your money into a company and you get 50Mio back in 5 years. (good conditions for worker and consumer)
Investment 2: You take 40Mio of your money into a company and you get 70Mio back in 2 years. (company total burned out)
Investment 3: You take 40Mio of your money into a company and you get 50Mio back in 10 years. (awesome conditions for worker and consumer)
I would opt for Investment No.4: You take 40M into a company, then fire them all and sell the tools and properties for 180 millions in a year.
Let me say it this way.
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Shallanna Yassavi
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
378
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Posted - 2016.09.05 03:21:02 -
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When things get *ahem* slow, the investors will choose leadership who chooses option 2.
A signature :o
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Serene Repose
2891
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Posted - 2016.09.05 03:34:31 -
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Amy Farrah FowIer wrote:RIOT! Because, you want to be part of a good game (like ~2010/2011) or you want to be part of a product raped for profit?
Its your choice. Like I said, get a clue. OR, release your own game with your imagined fabulous way to manage it and show us all your business brilliance. (Keep us posted on your release date.)
We must accommodate the idiocracy.
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Jacques d'Orleans
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Posted - 2016.09.05 03:39:24 -
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Shallanna Yassavi wrote:When things get *ahem* slow, the investors will choose leadership who chooses option 2.
Yup, and then as a starter lay offs begin, to get the "financial numbers" straight again. Some time later the company is burned out and mostly after a few years it is closed, in receivership or sold anyways.
Let me say it this way.
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Jacques d'Orleans
2839
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Posted - 2016.09.05 03:48:06 -
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Amy Farrah FowIer wrote:RIOT! Because, you want to be part of a good game (like ~2010/2011) or you want to be part of a product raped for profit?
Its your choice.
I love that "raped for profit" whine, i really do. Most of you "raped for profit" whiners are gettin' raped for profit everytime you buy your fancy Apple product, NIKE sneakers or when you buy a "coffee" at Starbucks, and normally you don't give a eff about it, but when it comes to games, omfg, there is whining in levels never seen before. Maybe you should talk to my wife, she works in Healthcare, she could tell you what being raped for profit really means.
Let me say it this way.
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Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
15306
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Posted - 2016.09.05 06:22:45 -
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Elenahina wrote:Nana Skalski wrote:One thing is the mass of people in the open space reacting to danger, other thing is people with access to information around the world, you can try to fool them, but you will not fool them for long. Dont be fooled. The flat earth society and the young earth creationists would like to point out how people with access to information can still be fooled. All of the time. You are talking about people who dont want to understand how it really works. These will be fooled all the time.
Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him.
GëíGïüGëí GÖÑ
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Amy Farrah FowIer
SKULL AND B0NES
22
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Posted - 2016.09.05 06:41:10 -
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@ Jacques d'Orleans
Not me, I love to renounce. I hope my old Smartphone will work as long as possible for example. But you are right, only the consumer can bring companys like apple and starbucks down. |
Bloody2k
SKULL AND B0NES
20
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Posted - 2016.09.05 06:45:49 -
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06.06.2014:
"Another 49 employees lose their jobs in Reykjavik because investors put pressure on the Icelandic publisher ." *1(german)
*1 - http://www.gamezone.de/CCP-Firma-15321/News/CCP-entlaesst-50-Mitarbeiter-Artikel-beschreibt-Missmanagement-1123875/ |
Serene Repose
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Posted - 2016.09.05 06:49:55 -
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Two years ago...ah, yeah.
We must accommodate the idiocracy.
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Elenahina
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
1137
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Posted - 2016.09.05 12:28:17 -
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Nana Skalski wrote:Elenahina wrote:Nana Skalski wrote:One thing is the mass of people in the open space reacting to danger, other thing is people with access to information around the world, you can try to fool them, but you will not fool them for long. Dont be fooled. The flat earth society and the young earth creationists would like to point out how people with access to information can still be fooled. All of the time. You are talking about people who dont want to understand how it really works. These will be fooled all the time.
The point remains. Having access to information doesn't necessarily mean you'll react any more intelligently.
Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you.
Also, iderno
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Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
15365
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Posted - 2016.09.05 16:22:23 -
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Well, I am not here to defend anyone who dont want to accept the propaganda of lizard-people.
I am here only to say that noone will play a shytty game. Sooner or later. Rather sooner. People are impatient. NPE is same as ever was, if not more confusing, CCP investors can kiss any new player butt on logout if they really pushed for it. They may not stay long anough to even have this 5 M SP.
Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him.
GëíGïüGëí GÖÑ
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Vortexo VonBrenner
Raumfahrer Spiff Rakett Piloot Anslutning
2463
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Posted - 2016.09.05 16:33:08 -
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Reptilians are real! WAKE UP SHEEPLE!
EvE security zones in pictures
EvE quick reference pdf
A wise man sums up EvE
Smoke me a Kipper...
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Solecist Project
32974
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Posted - 2016.09.05 16:42:11 -
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Nana Skalski wrote:Well, I am not here to defend anyone who dont want to accept the propaganda of lizard-people.
I am here only to say that noone will play a shytty game. Sooner or later. Rather sooner. People are impatient. NPE is same as ever was, if not more confusing, CCP investors can kiss any new player butt on logout if they really pushed for it. They may not stay long anough to even have this 5 M SP. They will see it, say its shyt, and leave. No hope. NPE is not really relevant for keeping players.
99.99% of all people learn the game after they subbed. There is actually no other way, because the trial isn't sufficient for learning the game.
Education isn't relevant for making people sub. The NPE is fine enough for communicating the important basics ... ... flying, warping, shooting, docking, trading, contracts ... ... and the rest should be all about experiencing something that hooks the player.
Education does not serve that purpose. It does not hook a player. "Hey wow I have learned really well how this works and even though it was boring as **** I'll still sub anyway" ... ... said no one ever.
With Alphas, players have all the time of the world to learn how to play the game. And so far everyone who subbed eventually managed to learn it. If that's not a hint towards "education does not help subscription rate" then I don't know what it is.
What most people seem to be missing is that they are actually rooting for all the idiots who are too dumb to learn the game even with the massive help they already get. I didn't need that help. You didn't need that help. Most people around here didn't need that help. If you don't ask yourself "Why do they need it?" then you're doing it wrong and completely ignore the reality of lots of people being too dumb to actually play this game and no amount of education will fix that.
That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
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Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
15366
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Posted - 2016.09.05 16:42:19 -
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Actually I think There will be not much new people. So many ears this game was on the market that people interested had time to try it.
Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him.
GëíGïüGëí GÖÑ
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Solecist Project
32974
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Posted - 2016.09.05 16:45:17 -
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Nana Skalski wrote:Actually I think there will be not much new people. So many years this game was on the market that people interested had time to try it. Never underestimate the amount of low life scum out there ... ... who will join simply because it's free ... ... and because they think they can be someone important by throwing money at it.
That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
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Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
15366
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Posted - 2016.09.05 16:57:46 -
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I think EVE can embrace the pirate scum like always. But I suspect that ship skins and pirate clothing will not be enough. I think CCP will dig deeper. I have seen that in AOC. After some time PvP clothing was available for money, no grind needed, no lvl needed....
Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him.
GëíGïüGëí GÖÑ
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