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Toriessian
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
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Posted - 2016.09.07 13:48:54 -
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March rabbit wrote:In RL hunter works without anyone notify him 'your target woke up and is leaving it's den'. In Rl you NEED to know who are you hunting BEFORE you start.
Recent (not really 'recent' tho) changes made EVE 'hunters' feel what real hunters can feel.
I don't see much problems here.
Ironically 3/4 of the RL hunters I know use the "Jita" method of hunting. They sit in a shack 50 yards from a corn feeder and wait for deer to come by looking for a snack.
Don't even get me started on cameras mounted on trees. (they're like scout alts lol)
Every day I'm wafflin!
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Valkin Mordirc
2472
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Posted - 2016.09.07 13:51:07 -
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oiukhp Muvila wrote:
Actually its not.
RL hunters can go a long time sometimes several seasons to find game they are looking for. It takes a lot of practice and preparation during and outside the seasons.
Sometimes where you find game the week before the season started, your game can decide to completely move out of your area and essentially disappear the first day of the season.
Now granted no RL and in-game analogy will ever be 100% the same but knowing when someone logs into and leaves the game along with being able to track what systems they are in via locating agents was PvP on training wheels.
Now you need to actually undock and personally fly to different systems to see if any of your targets are around. Now information isn't spoon fed to you, you actually need to interact in game beyond sitting in station to find your targets. You know, actually play the game....
I realize those who where used to PvP on easy mode in Hi Sec are annoyed about this, but sometimes you actually need to work for your intel and not have it dropped all nice and neat in your lap.
Your posting smells of biased ideals. You have a hate towards highsec which is either caused by your own misfortunes from a non-specific group, or you are using the idea's of another as your own. Maybe a combination of them both.
You both tried to defend the argument that Mercs can still hunter in High, but then invalidated it with in the next paragraph.
I can understand putting a weeks worth of prep into getting a big kill. Like an Incursion Vindi, or a Ratting Carrier.
However most Wartargets are not in 1.5+ bil ships. They are in Subcaps. Maybe a blinged Battleship, but larglely it's going to be sub bill ships.
A weeks worth of prep time is not worth the effort for **** like that. If I wanted to go out and get a few KM's and have fun I can run to low/Null and have at it. I do it all the time.
However that isn't a reason to invalidate a playstyle.
There is no reason invalidate a playstyle especially because Nullbears where upset.
Although arguing with you is a fruitless endeavor as your demeanor already shows that you are dead set in believing whatever information you want to be right and will not listening to others out of pride and arrogance. So why I even bother to post this is beyond me.
#DeleteTheWeak
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VicturusTeSaluto
Metafarmers
7
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Posted - 2016.09.07 22:03:42 -
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High sec, low sec, w-space, 0.0. The goal of this change, like virtually every other change made during the last 10 years is to make combat less likely to occur and to make eve a more safe place. I can't even tell if my targets still play the damn deserted game anymore.
The lesson of eve was supposed to be that there is no "safe", ever. |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
4420
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Posted - 2016.09.07 22:47:45 -
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March rabbit wrote:In RL hunter works without anyone notify him 'your target woke up and is leaving it's den'. In Rl you NEED to know who are you hunting BEFORE you start.
Recent (not really 'recent' tho) changes made EVE 'hunters' feel what real hunters can feel.
I don't see much problems here. In real life individuals can't disappear from the universe at will. |
oiukhp Muvila
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
55
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Posted - 2016.09.08 05:24:37 -
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Valkin Mordirc wrote: Although arguing with you is a fruitless endeavor as your demeanor already shows that you are dead set in believing whatever information you want to be right and will not listen to others out of pride and arrogance. So why I even bother to post this is beyond me.
What it boils down to is that old style buddy list in combination to locating agents made it super easy to track people down for what ever purposes.
Players got used to that crutch and many established play styles that are now invalidated since that crutch has been removed.
You are right this is a game and what we have is not ideal, but it is far better than what it was and CCP will most likely, after some time has passed, will revisit the issue and may come up with something more balanced and in-between than what was then and what we have now.
You are right, I am biased, as all of us are to some degree. I never relied on those two mechanics for my dominate play styles over the years. I went from Hi Sec mission runner to Null Sec renter, to Low Sec pirate, back to Null Sec for a very short time then have mainly been a Low Sec pirate for the last 6 years, with some Hi Sec ganking here and there.
As with anything is this game, the current situation is temporary, and some time in the future there may be a mechanic that will replace the severely flawed one that existed before.
I only suggest you recognize the flawed nature of the original, develop some new gameplay or take a break, an maybe help develop a new system by posting something in Features and Ideas. Maybe I'll even post my feedback, on one of my Forum alts. |
Deck Cadelanne
CAStabouts
354
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Posted - 2016.09.08 15:42:29 -
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Eli Stan wrote:DioKahn wrote:The changes to Watch Lists have affected highsec wars and mercenary work. It's almost annoying just looking for a war target. Camping Jita is not my idea of fun. Locator agents say the same thing whether the target is offline or not. I understand protecting capital pilots in null sec has been the goal of the changes but it's making War boring. I suggest you keep Watch Lists disabled in NULL SEC and working perfectly again in HIGH SEC. Bring back real mercenaries and content to high sec please. What's your goal with wardecs? To shoot ships? Best come to low/null - there's tons to shoot, and no watch lists needed because you can shoot anything you see. To shoot structures? Find a structure, wardec the corp, and shoot the structure - since you don't care about shooting ships, you shouldn't care about watch listing the pilots.
But...but...they might be ready and able to shoot back...
"When the going gets weird, the weird turn professional."
- Hunter S. Thompson
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Deck Cadelanne
CAStabouts
354
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Posted - 2016.09.08 15:44:04 -
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Toriessian wrote:March rabbit wrote:In RL hunter works without anyone notify him 'your target woke up and is leaving it's den'. In Rl you NEED to know who are you hunting BEFORE you start.
Recent (not really 'recent' tho) changes made EVE 'hunters' feel what real hunters can feel.
I don't see much problems here. Ironically 3/4 of the RL hunters I know use the "Jita" method of hunting. They sit in a shack 50 yards from a corn feeder and wait for deer to come by looking for a snack. Don't even get me started on cameras mounted on trees. (they're like scout alts lol)
As a hunter, let me just say...that isn't hunting
"When the going gets weird, the weird turn professional."
- Hunter S. Thompson
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Rawmeat Mary
Celtic Anarchy Complaints Department
142
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Posted - 2016.09.08 16:21:30 -
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Deck Cadelanne wrote:Toriessian wrote:March rabbit wrote:In RL hunter works without anyone notify him 'your target woke up and is leaving it's den'. In Rl you NEED to know who are you hunting BEFORE you start.
Recent (not really 'recent' tho) changes made EVE 'hunters' feel what real hunters can feel.
I don't see much problems here. Ironically 3/4 of the RL hunters I know use the "Jita" method of hunting. They sit in a shack 50 yards from a corn feeder and wait for deer to come by looking for a snack. Don't even get me started on cameras mounted on trees. (they're like scout alts lol) As a hunter, let me just say...that isn't hunting How would be ganking in RL hunting?
I get that image: 10 guys, in a shack, waiting for that Moose to show up. With rocket launchers and .50 machineguns.
Claymore hunting?
'If they take the ship, they'll rape us to death, eat our flesh, and sew our skins onto their clothing.
And if we're very, very lucky, they'll do it in that order.'
Yeah, we're like that.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
18014
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Posted - 2016.09.08 16:56:19 -
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DioKahn wrote:The changes to Watch Lists have affected highsec wars and mercenary work. It's almost annoying just looking for a war target. Camping Jita is not my idea of fun. Locator agents say the same thing whether the target is offline or not. I understand protecting capital pilots in null sec has been the goal of the changes but it's making War boring. I suggest you keep Watch Lists disabled in NULL SEC and working perfectly again in HIGH SEC. Bring back real mercenaries and content to high sec please.
Hypothetically, you could choose to wardec corps you know something about, had some some scouting and research on and had a reason to dec other than farming.
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
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Infinity Ziona
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
2467
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Posted - 2016.09.08 20:11:17 -
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When I was wardeccing my war started about 2 weeks before the dec.
First I'd choose an alliance that wouldn't run / disband. Then I'd use online tools to find every active in the alliance. Then I'd scout them out, find their hubs, pos etc. Position nuetral alts at those locations. I'd also create an opportunity for interaction with one of their members (take a barge to a belt where one is ratting / mining) and usually get invited into corporation.
Once you have a spy in alliance, well...
If you're just declaring war on people and sitting at a gate you're not going to have much luck.
Just saying.
CCP Fozzie GǣWe can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-tonGǪ in null sec anomalies. Gǣ*
Kaalrus pwned..... :)
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Shallanna Yassavi
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
389
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Posted - 2016.09.08 20:31:19 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:When I was wardeccing my war started about 2 weeks before the dec.
First I'd choose an alliance that wouldn't run / disband. Then I'd use online tools to find every active in the alliance. Then I'd scout them out, find their hubs, pos etc. Position nuetral alts at those locations. I'd also create an opportunity for interaction with one of their members (take a barge to a belt where one is ratting / mining) and usually get invited into corporation.
Once you have a spy in alliance, well...
If you're just declaring war on people and sitting at a gate you're not going to have much luck.
Just saying.
Edit:
One thing I'll concede though is the location agents are pretty poor. An improvement would be the following:
A skill line that allows:
1. Repeating locates - where the agent gives you 10 minute locates repeatedly on a per person 2. Remote locates 3. Locates that includes whether the pilot is active or offline. You... wardecced? o.O Bolded part is kind of rare any more.
Theories are nice, but a proof that you can still do that effectively is a lot more convincing.
A signature :o
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Infinity Ziona
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
2467
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Posted - 2016.09.08 20:43:36 -
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Shallanna Yassavi wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:When I was wardeccing my war started about 2 weeks before the dec.
First I'd choose an alliance that wouldn't run / disband. Then I'd use online tools to find every active in the alliance. Then I'd scout them out, find their hubs, pos etc. Position nuetral alts at those locations. I'd also create an opportunity for interaction with one of their members (take a barge to a belt where one is ratting / mining) and usually get invited into corporation.
Once you have a spy in alliance, well...
If you're just declaring war on people and sitting at a gate you're not going to have much luck.
Just saying.
Edit:
One thing I'll concede though is the location agents are pretty poor. An improvement would be the following:
A skill line that allows:
1. Repeating locates - where the agent gives you 10 minute locates repeatedly on a per person 2. Remote locates 3. Locates that includes whether the pilot is active or offline. You... wardecced? o.O Bolded part is kind of rare any more. Theories are nice, but a proof that you can still do that effectively is a lot more convincing. Yeah I wardecced most of my EvE career.
CCP Fozzie GǣWe can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-tonGǪ in null sec anomalies. Gǣ*
Kaalrus pwned..... :)
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Xtreem
Knockaround Guys Inc. Sin City Coalition
456
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Posted - 2016.09.08 20:47:23 -
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I actually like some idea here
What I suggest
Watch list in empire space works, adapt it to work kind of like a locator agent, for example, if they are in empire space you can see their online status, if they are in low sec or null you do not see if they are online.
Mercs and wardecs are part of this game, it is now silly as the mechanics are against the deccer, too much so, just the basics of knowing if someone is online or not, not like they are giving the actual location.
I dislike how it is/was used for super pilots but it did have an important part to play in war decs. |
Rawmeat Mary
Celtic Anarchy Complaints Department
144
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Posted - 2016.09.08 21:35:25 -
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Xtreem wrote:I actually like some idea here
What I suggest
Watch list in empire space works, adapt it to work kind of like a locator agent, for example, if they are in empire space you can see their online status, if they are in low sec or null you do not see if they are online.
Mercs and wardecs are part of this game, it is now silly as the mechanics are against the deccer, too much so, just the basics of knowing if someone is online or not, not like they are giving the actual location.
I dislike how it is/was used for super pilots but it did have an important part to play in war decs. That could be added to CCP's 'incentives' to actually go Low/Nulsec for their player base.
Hey CCP
'If they take the ship, they'll rape us to death, eat our flesh, and sew our skins onto their clothing.
And if we're very, very lucky, they'll do it in that order.'
Yeah, we're like that.
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Tsukino Stareine
Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found
1778
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Posted - 2016.09.09 00:57:37 -
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Xtreem wrote:I actually like some idea here
What I suggest
Watch list in empire space works, adapt it to work kind of like a locator agent, for example, if they are in empire space you can see their online status, if they are in low sec or null you do not see if they are online.
Mercs and wardecs are part of this game, it is now silly as the mechanics are against the deccer, too much so, just the basics of knowing if someone is online or not, not like they are giving the actual location.
I dislike how it is/was used for super pilots but it did have an important part to play in war decs.
Or you know, you could actually do some research on your target using scouts like how all of null/wh space have done since the patch hit.
Why is it that people who reside in high sec have the highest sense of entitlement? Even the 'mercs' ***** and whine about actually having to work for their targets. |
Starrakatt
Run and Gun Mercenary Corps FETID
561
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Posted - 2016.09.09 01:23:12 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:Xtreem wrote:I actually like some idea here
What I suggest
Watch list in empire space works, adapt it to work kind of like a locator agent, for example, if they are in empire space you can see their online status, if they are in low sec or null you do not see if they are online.
Mercs and wardecs are part of this game, it is now silly as the mechanics are against the deccer, too much so, just the basics of knowing if someone is online or not, not like they are giving the actual location.
I dislike how it is/was used for super pilots but it did have an important part to play in war decs. Or you know, you could actually do some research on your target using scouts like how all of null/wh space have done since the patch hit. Why is it that people who reside in high sec have the highest sense of entitlement? Even the 'mercs' ***** and whine about actually having to work for their targets. There is a major difference between Hisec and Othersec.
- In Othersec, groups live together, in static home/staging systems. So you want to find them, it IS easy. Just go look at their staging and surroundings. And if they deploy, their KB will tell you where they are. Easy. Once your scout(s) are there, you end up with plenty of people to watch. Say 20-30 players over a 250 man Alliance.
- In Hisec, they usually do not and are scattered all over New eden (including Othersec), and usually scatter furthemore when Wardecced. Finding them is NOT easy. When your scout(s) get there, you got 1-2 guys to watch. The other 18-28 are elsewhere, FAR.
- In Othersec, you don't care what you catch, just need not to be blue, everything is fair play.
- In Hisec, you can't, you can only shoot these guys. So you end up with less potential targets, that are harder and need more work to find.
This is no entitlement, its a fact. I did Nul, Hisec and Low (along with many others so-called 'Hisec' pvpers), I perfectly get the difference.
Sneaky bastard.
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Tsukino Stareine
Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found
1779
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Posted - 2016.09.09 01:38:00 -
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You have locator agents so don't try that lmao. They even work the fastest in high sec
People don't dock up as soon as a neutral enters system either and for sure less people use dscan
also since you admitted you're only ever going to get 1-2 targets at a time there's never any risk of a qrf fleet from the defending entity to close in on you and even if that did happen you can just dock up cause: lol empire.
TL;DR High sec is EASY
The only thing a watchlist grants you is the cue for you to start searching. Something you could easily do by doing some research into the Corp you're hunting |
Princess Adhara
University of Caille Gallente Federation
50
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Posted - 2016.09.09 01:51:53 -
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Solecist Project wrote:The npc forum alt sure knows what he is talking about. Post with your main or don't talk about things you have no clue of.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority
^ (Reasons to post/condemn someone posting) with an alt
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Infinity Ziona
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
2468
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Posted - 2016.09.09 03:31:38 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:You have locator agents so don't try that lmao. They even work the fastest in high sec
People don't dock up as soon as a neutral enters system either and for sure less people use dscan
also since you admitted you're only ever going to get 1-2 targets at a time there's never any risk of a qrf fleet from the defending entity to close in on you and even if that did happen you can just dock up cause: lol empire.
TL;DR High sec is EASY
The only thing a watchlist grants you is the cue for you to start searching. Something you could easily do by doing some research into the Corp you're hunting Its not easy.
In null you have only a few connections between regions and like the above poster said limited hubs. Also what he said was true, you only blues and nuets.
In highsec you can go any number of routes, there are thousands of stations a person can be at, and they can be spread all over the entire highsec map doing whatever they're doing. In addition there are usually a ton of nuets in every system requiring scrolling down to find a war target, not an easy task as people enter and leave. There are no bubbles allowed.
Locator agents are largely useless since there is a delay before the agent tells you where the person is, if theyr'e active they could be 15 systems or more away since I believe from memory its 15 minutes.
Theres a further delay before you can repeat a location. Locators were the reason I gave up on high sec war decs, they were just incredibly frustrating and the delay to get the locate and the redelay to do another when the person was gone when you arrived was without much reason.
Tracking a person down in highsec is not easy, in null its very easy.
CCP Fozzie GǣWe can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-tonGǪ in null sec anomalies. Gǣ*
Kaalrus pwned..... :)
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Tsukino Stareine
Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found
1780
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Posted - 2016.09.09 03:38:17 -
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So you think people camp a regional gate in null to gank things?
Why would the number of stations in a system matter at all when you're out to get them while they're in space?
Having a watchlist would help how with locating someone on the move?
Get locator alts, if you were trying to locate someone using agents by yourself I'm sorry to say: you were doing it wrong |
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Paranoid Loyd
9547
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Posted - 2016.09.09 03:51:01 -
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Suki, i've never seen you venture into GD, you sure that's a good idea?
"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix
Fix the Prospect!
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Tsukino Stareine
Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found
1781
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Posted - 2016.09.09 04:00:21 -
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I'm on holiday and all my eve energy needs to be channeled somewhere :D |
Infinity Ziona
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
2468
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Posted - 2016.09.09 04:29:16 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:So you think people camp a regional gate in null to gank things?
Why would the number of stations in a system matter at all when you're out to get them while they're in space?
Having a watchlist would help how with locating someone on the move?
Get locator alts, if you were trying to locate someone using agents by yourself I'm sorry to say: you were doing it wrong I war decced for about 6 years in EvE so I have actual experience.
I had 8 characters. Every one of them I had to grind through missions to get level 4 agents in every region. I would have 4 sitting at locators and 3 scouts that I'd send around looking for particular targets.
The number of stations matters a lot since you need to dock at each one with a scout to check to see if the person is docked up. It also matters because if a person is buying something they're not going to be travelling X jumps along a certain path to an alliance market hub to buy it they can buy it often from many different locations in highsec, those locations being many many stations in every system.
You're also not out to get them in space, if they're in space they're either missioning mining, but usually travelling. You're out to get them in station so you can guesstimate where they're likely to be going next and set up an ambush.
Having a watchlist helps to reduce the number of times you locate someone, travel over to where they are, and find they're not there. What next? Another locate on the same person to see if the person is still at that location but not online. Problem is the locate is delayed meaning you have to wait for the locator to become available again (15 minutes), do your locate (another wait 15 mins), if the locate still says the person is there, then the person is offline (you just spent probably an hour to find out someone was offline) or if the person is somewhere else now, then you start the whole process again.
Anyone who thinks that's reasonable is kindof stupid. Probably why people give up and sit outside Jita 4 4.
CCP Fozzie GǣWe can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-tonGǪ in null sec anomalies. Gǣ*
Kaalrus pwned..... :)
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Morgan Agrivar
TriStar Market Solutions
485
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Posted - 2016.09.09 04:41:02 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:So you think people camp a regional gate in null to gank things?
Why would the number of stations in a system matter at all when you're out to get them while they're in space?
Having a watchlist would help how with locating someone on the move?
Get locator alts, if you were trying to locate someone using agents by yourself I'm sorry to say: you were doing it wrong I war decced for about 6 years in EvE so I have actual experience. I had 8 characters. Every one of them I had to grind through missions to get level 4 agents in every region. I would have 4 sitting at locators and 3 scouts that I'd send around looking for particular targets. The number of stations matters a lot since you need to dock at each one with a scout to check to see if the person is docked up. It also matters because if a person is buying something they're not going to be travelling X jumps along a certain path to an alliance market hub to buy it they can buy it often from many different locations in highsec, those locations being many many stations in every system. You're also not out to get them in space, if they're in space they're either missioning mining, but usually travelling. You're out to get them in station so you can guesstimate where they're likely to be going next and set up an ambush. Having a watchlist helps to reduce the number of times you locate someone, travel over to where they are, and find they're not there. What next? Another locate on the same person to see if the person is still at that location but not online. Problem is the locate is delayed meaning you have to wait for the locator to become available again (15 minutes), do your locate (another wait 15 mins), if the locate still says the person is there, then the person is offline (you just spent probably an hour to find out someone was offline) or if the person is somewhere else now, then you start the whole process again. Anyone who thinks that's reasonable is kindof stupid. Probably why people give up and sit outside Jita 4 4. Damn, I was doing it wrong. When I was doing highsec wardecs, it was just this character and locater agents...no alts.
But to my credit, I was pretty successful in doing so.
This would cure me of the fear...
CCP Explorer liked you forum post. Now my life is complete...
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Tsukino Stareine
Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found
1783
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Posted - 2016.09.09 05:13:38 -
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People have habits you should study what they do and then use it against them. I know hunters who camp supers for weeks before getting the kill.
Just sounds like you want it on a silver platter without any actual effort |
Starrakatt
Run and Gun Mercenary Corps FETID
561
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Posted - 2016.09.09 05:43:26 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:People have habits you should study what they do and then use it against them. I know hunters who camp supers for weeks before getting the kill.
Just sounds like you want it on a silver platter without any actual effort I want you to go in Hisec, wardec a specific target and wait 2 week on a gate, which he will hopefully travel through eventually, if he ever logs in.
1 of the 150 guys in corp.
Every hunters in Nul aren't just sitting on their log in for weeks twiddling their thumbs, that's 1 character on 1 account watching 1 (25 BIL) Super that logged off in that system, or his cyno alt to log back in from his last cyno job/dock.
Your vast Hisec experience is telling, stop being a troll.
It makes me laugh every time some self-entitled someone barge in and tell everyone else that their playstyle is irrelevant, dumb or harder than his.
Also, I didn't state it was harder to pvp, I said it was harder to find specific targets.
Sneaky bastard.
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Infinity Ziona
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
2469
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Posted - 2016.09.09 07:07:36 -
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Morgan Agrivar wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:So you think people camp a regional gate in null to gank things?
Why would the number of stations in a system matter at all when you're out to get them while they're in space?
Having a watchlist would help how with locating someone on the move?
Get locator alts, if you were trying to locate someone using agents by yourself I'm sorry to say: you were doing it wrong I war decced for about 6 years in EvE so I have actual experience. I had 8 characters. Every one of them I had to grind through missions to get level 4 agents in every region. I would have 4 sitting at locators and 3 scouts that I'd send around looking for particular targets. The number of stations matters a lot since you need to dock at each one with a scout to check to see if the person is docked up. It also matters because if a person is buying something they're not going to be travelling X jumps along a certain path to an alliance market hub to buy it they can buy it often from many different locations in highsec, those locations being many many stations in every system. You're also not out to get them in space, if they're in space they're either missioning mining, but usually travelling. You're out to get them in station so you can guesstimate where they're likely to be going next and set up an ambush. Having a watchlist helps to reduce the number of times you locate someone, travel over to where they are, and find they're not there. What next? Another locate on the same person to see if the person is still at that location but not online. Problem is the locate is delayed meaning you have to wait for the locator to become available again (15 minutes), do your locate (another wait 15 mins), if the locate still says the person is there, then the person is offline (you just spent probably an hour to find out someone was offline) or if the person is somewhere else now, then you start the whole process again. Anyone who thinks that's reasonable is kindof stupid. Probably why people give up and sit outside Jita 4 4. Damn, I was doing it wrong. When I was doing highsec wardecs, it was just this character and locater agents...no alts. But to my credit, I was pretty successful in doing so. You did okay, the Orca was a nice kill. My goal was to kill as many people in the alliances / corps as I could as fast as possible while being almost impossible to kill, if they killed me once the war was over. The reason for that was so they would pay me isk to leave them alone and to make it a challenge for both parties. Information is extremely important and multiple alts = more information = more kills and less deaths.
CCP Fozzie GǣWe can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-tonGǪ in null sec anomalies. Gǣ*
Kaalrus pwned..... :)
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Morgan Agrivar
TriStar Market Solutions
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Posted - 2016.09.09 07:14:45 -
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I did lose a Stabber to a Skiff because I fit it wrong and did give the 'gf' when he got me but I did come back in a Vexor to ruin his day. That was the only ship I lost in my highsec wardec days.
I also lost a Hound but that was by a mess up when the victim was still flashy red to me but apparently she left the corp, so CONCORD paid me a visit. I was NOT happy about that one.
And besides, I was able to write about it too...
This would cure me of the fear...
CCP Explorer liked you forum post. Now my life is complete...
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Piugattuk
Lima beans Corp
453
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Posted - 2016.09.09 07:26:35 -
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There's a watch list???
Wow this is news to me, I make my own watch list already but to know there's something even better, sheesh. |
March rabbit
Mosquito Squadron The-Culture
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Posted - 2016.09.09 08:42:00 -
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Toriessian wrote:March rabbit wrote:In RL hunter works without anyone notify him 'your target woke up and is leaving it's den'. In Rl you NEED to know who are you hunting BEFORE you start.
Recent (not really 'recent' tho) changes made EVE 'hunters' feel what real hunters can feel.
I don't see much problems here. Ironically 3/4 of the RL hunters I know use the "Jita" method of hunting. They sit in a shack 50 yards from a corn feeder and wait for deer to come by looking for a snack. Don't even get me started on cameras mounted on trees. (they're like scout alts lol) What do you want? EVE is real
It's not that in EVE players are lazy. They come to the game already being lazy.
The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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