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Solecist Project
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Posted - 2016.09.06 13:21:08 -
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Brokk Witgenstein wrote:... Great post!
Your definition sticks to actual reality. :)
That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
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Foxstar Damaskeenus
Taladi Federation
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Posted - 2016.09.06 13:25:39 -
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Just about everybody who does pvp also does some "carebear" stuff. Most people who pvp enjoy many aspects of the game. I do occasional pvp, suicide ganking, mining, trading, exploration and when I need to sleep I run level 4 missions (that's 100% true).
Most people who say they mine or mission try to do no pvp whatsoever, but they fail because Eve is always pvp. That's where the derogatory connotation of "carebear" comes in.
An easy way to tell is it's someone who cares about their ship. If you get destroyed in a ball of fire there is a 5 second rule, if you are upset for more than 5 seconds you are a carebear.
"[this thread] is a cesspit of trolling and flaming" ISD Buldath
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Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
715
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Posted - 2016.09.06 13:51:17 -
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The Golden Serpent wrote:Bears are also terrible creatures irl have you ever looked at them? Really ugly, dumb as a walnut and they have beady eyes. There is an ecosystem to Eve and even if you are mining in a cloaky ship in null to me that is not a carebear that is someone willing to play the game of survival. IRL Bears are actually extremely well adapted to surviving - often in quite harsh conditions. Many of them tend to be quite intelligent, within the context of what they do to survive. Depending on the species they are also not opposed to combat.
This is why the term is "carebear" - taken from the old children's television show. Not just "bear".
The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool.
They lay. They rotted. They turned
Around occasionally.
Bits of flesh dropped off them from
Time to time.
And sank into the pool's mire.
They also smelt a great deal.
Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
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Roenok Baalnorn
Sadistically Sinister
347
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Posted - 2016.09.06 13:56:16 -
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Arahantius Detache wrote: Original Post
Carebear can used in different ways, not all of them bad. Pvp and pve and what defines each has been debated many times in eve. It depends on who is arguing the point and what point they are trying to make.
Ill use the universal definition of carebear and pvper. That is... the definition that is roughly the same from game to game.
* A carebear is someone who doesnt engage in pvp activities willingly. They go out of their way to avoid pvp activities and areas. They will choose to play on a pve server if available. And if they are forced to play on a pvp server, they will play in the safest area , they can find. On a pvp server they will often complain about not having a PVE only area or server for people that do not want to engage in pvp.
* A pvper is someone who actively tries to kill other players. That is the accepted universal definition of a pvper. People in eve try to do a strict interpretation of PVP to suit their argument but a pvper is and has always been for the last 20 years of MMO gaming " a player that tries to kill other players"
Eve does not NEED Pvers despite what many Pvers may think. PVPers also do pve and are self sufficient enough that they can build their own stuff when not pvping.
Eve DOES need PVPers for the economy to work properly. The game is designed around PVP. Removing PVP from it would make everything is Eve basically worthless and their would be no point to the game because Eve does not have an endgame. This is why the consensus is that Eve is a PVP game and PVE is a necessary part of the game for it to function under its current design. The alternative would be a battlegrounds systems which would get old and boring for "real" pvpers quickly.
I used the term "real" pvpers. What is that? Real PVP is "open world" pvp in which there are real consequences for losing and real rewards for winning. Real pvp anything goes within the game mechanics and the sides are not limited to A vs B nor or they limited to equal numbers or equal anything for that matter. Eve is real pvp.
Fake PVP or Carebear PVP is instanced pvp in which the game tries to make the sides as equal as possible for a certain fight that you give your consent to be in. You are rewarded in some way for winning but you dont lose anything but your time for losing. WoW PVP, as well as most games are set up as Fake PVP.
* High sec is not designed to be a permanent home. Actually, its more accurate to say that CCP encourages you to leave highsec but wont kick you out of it. So PVPers tend to feel a bit of ill will and lack of sympathy for high sec bears. To us your usually complaining about something in highsec that is exclusive to highsec and could be solved by leaving highsec but instead of leaving highsec, you choose to complain about it. That is how many of us view high sec bears.
Many people not in highsec have a disdain view of highsec bears because they refuse to leave what we consider to be the "newbie" area and yet complain about it and dying in it. They feel that anything outside highsec is dangerous, but really they are to lazy to put forth the effort to be safe in non safe areas. I do 4-12 hours of PVE in null and sometimes w space/low a week and i havent been killed doing PVE in about 2 years. So i must be extremely lucky.... or i just learned game mechanics and how to do things safely.
High sec bears arent the only ones that the rest of the game has disdain for. High sec "pvpers" also share the scorn because we dont consider shooting people on jita undock and ganking miners and freighters to be real pvp. However the high sec pvpers dont usually complain and they do provide a service of discouraging our members from carebearing it up and of driving some of the highsec bears out of highsec. So we mostly look upon them with disinterest in their affairs.
Ironically, Null/w-space/low bears dont catch the same amount of flak as high bears. In fact, null bears rarely get "picked on". This is because, we actually find these bears to be not only useful, but much much less whiny. Non high bears, build our ships, supply us with ammo, keep our markets stocked, mine our fuel, fuel our structures( and build them) and make the alliances money. While the PVPers keep people out of our space and take space and also keep the demand up for ships mods and ammo. About the only thing we ask of non high bears is that they help defend our space if we are at risk of losing it and i really dont think thats to much to ask since they use the space.
So really its not because a person is a carebear but because they refuse to leave high sec. And most wont leave highsec because they are under some impression that they are going to instantly explode everything they undock except in high sec.
The game is designed to encourage you to leave high sec. you can do everything in low and null that you can do in high sec and it pays much better. Null is actually safer, most of the time, than high sec is. Which makes null residents absolutely dumbfounded why high sec residents complain about highsec but wont leave it.
Also this game is not designed to play solo and even for an introvert, such as me, it is far more fun playing as part of a group than it is solo regardless of what you are doing. |
Serene Repose
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Posted - 2016.09.06 14:33:16 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Serene Repose wrote:You are seeing the lowbrow eventuality our culture has come to where there are vapid, but vitriolic people who just can't live and let live. They see someone different, bellow that the world is supposed to operate according to their own preferences, and for the different to become like them or they'll be verbally abusive, and attempt to use force (if possible) to "make" people do things the way they do. Here, we're infested with people who (believed an ill-considered statement by a CCP official) insist EVE is only PvP, and therefore anyone not playing EVE as they do should be forced to. Until that happens, they heap derision on those people who are different. The term "carebear" came into being as a derogatory appellation. (Funny they don't have a corresponding word for themselves. Allow me: Sociopaths.) This even though a visit to this time-honored and well known website - EVE - Survival: Mission Reports amply demonstrates that not only is there a wealth of PvE content in EVE, the PvE content actually threatens to swamp these self-proclaimed "real EVE players" of PvP. However, along with the vitriolic name-calling (guaranteed to get threads locked here) comes a "don't confuse me with the facts, my mind is made-up" attitude that beggars belief...that is unless you're aware of this sort of person (who also decorate our daily lives with their form of "manners".) I wouldn't trouble myself with them. They are no more than would be a fart in an elevator. Something to be endured until the car reaches your floor. Though, I'm sure they themselves relish the scent and will have no compunction about proving so in this thread you started...which is really about them. This is wrong. . . . Yeah. Right.
We must accommodate the idiocracy.
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Chopper Rollins
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1533
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Posted - 2016.09.06 14:48:29 -
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Carebear , like troll, is a term so overused that it's come to mean either nothing or something simplistic far from it's original usage. Political correctness is a tiny part of the corporate control of language and therefore thought. Since usage defines meaning carebear is a contemptuous term for someone who rejects the whole concept of violence. Implied are weakness, cowardice and lack of knowledge. Little mentioned in discussions about such terms is the fact that a solid 10% of all people completely freeze or lose control of fine motor skills when confronted by violence, even virtual violence against mere pixels. Some pacifists are people incapable of offense or defense, who would change the world to treat them nicely. They must be punished.
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
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Roenok Baalnorn
Sadistically Sinister
348
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Posted - 2016.09.06 14:48:52 -
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Serene Repose wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Serene Repose wrote:You are seeing the lowbrow eventuality our culture has come to where there are vapid, but vitriolic people who just can't live and let live. They see someone different, bellow that the world is supposed to operate according to their own preferences, and for the different to become like them or they'll be verbally abusive, and attempt to use force (if possible) to "make" people do things the way they do. Here, we're infested with people who (believed an ill-considered statement by a CCP official) insist EVE is only PvP, and therefore anyone not playing EVE as they do should be forced to. Until that happens, they heap derision on those people who are different. The term "carebear" came into being as a derogatory appellation. (Funny they don't have a corresponding word for themselves. Allow me: Sociopaths.) This even though a visit to this time-honored and well known website - EVE - Survival: Mission Reports amply demonstrates that not only is there a wealth of PvE content in EVE, the PvE content actually threatens to swamp these self-proclaimed "real EVE players" of PvP. However, along with the vitriolic name-calling (guaranteed to get threads locked here) comes a "don't confuse me with the facts, my mind is made-up" attitude that beggars belief...that is unless you're aware of this sort of person (who also decorate our daily lives with their form of "manners".) I wouldn't trouble myself with them. They are no more than would be a fart in an elevator. Something to be endured until the car reaches your floor. Though, I'm sure they themselves relish the scent and will have no compunction about proving so in this thread you started...which is really about them. This is wrong. . . . Yeah. Right.
Hello bitterbearGäó,
Your equivalent would be "bitter vet". Someone who hates newbies, carebears, life, people, existing, whatever and takes it out on others usually in an aggressive violent form in game.
I do have a question for you. If PVPers are sociopaths and you willingly play a game with these "sociopaths" when there are thousands of non pvp games out there and yet you show such disdain( thats my word of the day) for them.... what does that make you?
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Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore
14629
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Posted - 2016.09.06 15:12:07 -
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Roenok Baalnorn wrote:Serene Repose wrote:
This is wrong. . . .
Yeah. Right.
Hello bitterbearGäó,
Your equivalent would be "bitter vet". Someone who hates newbies, carebears, life, people, existing, whatever and takes it out on others usually in an aggressive violent form in game.
I do have a question for you. If PVPers are sociopaths and you willingly play a game with these "sociopaths" when there are thousands of non pvp games out there and yet you show such disdain( thats my word of the day) for them.... what does that make you? [/quote]
Bit of a tangent, but I will say that I often wonder this.
I play EVE because it meets my entertainment needs. it gives the the opportunity to play Han Solo against murderous pvp'rs (people think of him as a fighter, but Solo is a SMUGGLER adept at the art of RUNNING THE F AWAY WITH THE LOOT). If EVE weren't a PVP focused game (both in direct terms of combat and indirect terms of me selling my deadspace loot for less than the next guy) it would not meet my entertainment needs, and thus I wouldn't play it.
But people DO play it while complaining that the game doesn't meet their expectations, or they hate the fact that they have to share the game with "people who just want to crap all over everyone else" etc. This forum is a monument to people who hate the thing they are paying for.
My theory about such folks is that they don't live in the now, but rather defer their lives to the future. It doesn't matter that their experience right now is crappy, what matters is that it could be so much better in the future (if only CCP nerfs the people and gameplay they don't like). |
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
2351
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Posted - 2016.09.06 15:54:14 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Roenok Baalnorn wrote:Serene Repose wrote:
Yeah. Right.
Hello bitterbearGäó, Your equivalent would be "bitter vet". Someone who hates newbies, carebears, life, people, existing, whatever and takes it out on others usually in an aggressive violent form in game. I do have a question for you. If PVPers are sociopaths and you willingly play a game with these "sociopaths" when there are thousands of non pvp games out there and yet you show such disdain( thats my word of the day) for them.... what does that make you? Bit of a tangent, but I will say that I often wonder this. I play EVE because it meets my entertainment needs. it gives the the opportunity to play Han Solo against murderous pvp'rs (people think of him as a fighter, but Solo is a SMUGGLER adept at the art of RUNNING THE F AWAY WITH THE LOOT). If EVE weren't a PVP focused game (both in direct terms of combat and indirect terms of me selling my deadspace loot for less than the next guy) it would not meet my entertainment needs, and thus I wouldn't play it. But people DO play it while complaining that the game doesn't meet their expectations, or they hate the fact that they have to share the game with "people who just want to crap all over everyone else" etc. This forum is a monument to people who hate the thing they are paying for. My theory about such folks is that they don't live in the now, but rather defer their lives to the future. It doesn't matter that their experience right now is crappy, what matters is that it could be so much better in the future (if only CCP nerfs the people and gameplay they don't like).
And you calling for hisec level 4 missions to be nerfed was what exactly?
When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
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Roenok Baalnorn
Sadistically Sinister
350
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Posted - 2016.09.06 15:56:54 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Roenok Baalnorn wrote:Serene Repose wrote:
Yeah. Right.
Hello bitterbearGäó, Your equivalent would be "bitter vet". Someone who hates newbies, carebears, life, people, existing, whatever and takes it out on others usually in an aggressive violent form in game. I do have a question for you. If PVPers are sociopaths and you willingly play a game with these "sociopaths" when there are thousands of non pvp games out there and yet you show such disdain( thats my word of the day) for them.... what does that make you? Bit of a tangent, but I will say that I often wonder this. I play EVE because it meets my entertainment needs. it gives the the opportunity to play Han Solo against murderous pvp'rs (people think of him as a fighter, but Solo is a SMUGGLER adept at the art of RUNNING THE F AWAY WITH THE LOOT). If EVE weren't a PVP focused game (both in direct terms of combat and indirect terms of me selling my deadspace loot for less than the next guy) it would not meet my entertainment needs, and thus I wouldn't play it. But people DO play it while complaining that the game doesn't meet their expectations, or they hate the fact that they have to share the game with "people who just want to crap all over everyone else" etc. This forum is a monument to people who hate the thing they are paying for. My theory about such folks is that they don't live in the now, but rather defer their lives to the future. It doesn't matter that their experience right now is crappy, what matters is that it could be so much better in the future (if only CCP nerfs the people and gameplay they don't like).
I personally wonder how people have the audacity to think the devs should change the game to fit their play style rather than change their play style to fit the game they choose to play. |
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Nalia White
Tencus
191
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Posted - 2016.09.06 16:09:01 -
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I have almost 20k kills and only 270 losses with an ISK efficiency of 99.3%. I am a carebear.
every pilot flying a freighter in highsec is less of a carebear than i am :)
imho carebearing has to do with risk averse play. Everyone from code is a bigger carebear than any of their targets also :) |
Jaxon Grylls
Institute of Archaeology
113
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Posted - 2016.09.06 16:56:42 -
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I don't do PvP combat. I don't like it and I'm useless at it in any case.
I do PvP in other ways.
If I can buy low and sell high, I've scored one over the purchaser of my overpriced goods. Is that not PvP? If I can work out a way to corner the market in certain goods and make a killing, is that not PvP? If someone joins a corps, builds up trust and responsibilities and then legs it with all the corps assets, is that not PvP?
Just because you are not in the business of blowing things up you are still playing against other people and in my book that too is PvP. |
Lacori
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2016.09.06 18:09:53 -
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Jaxon Grylls wrote: I do PvP in other ways...If someone joins a corps, builds up trust and responsibilities and then legs it with all the corps assets, is that not PvP?
Go you. Content creator. |
Solecist Project
33050
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Posted - 2016.09.06 18:33:58 -
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hm.
That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
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Dullahan Solo
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.09.06 19:41:22 -
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Personally, I've only considered those players who cannot appreciate one of the most fundamental aspects of Eve, the possibility of actual loss. They are vitriolic armchair psychologists constantly enshrouded in a miasma of entitlement and it is nearly impossible for them to communicate in any form other than whinging. They are the players that expect to be left alone in a social sandbox and react VERY poorly when that expectation is shattered.
Don't want to PvP? That's okay. Don't wanna leave hisec? That's okay too. It's your time and your money, and you are free to do with it what you choose. Neither of these is indicative of a carebear. To me, a carebear is a toxic, entitled whiner who disparages the game and its playerbase for encroaching upon their nonexistent "bubble". |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
56378
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Posted - 2016.09.06 20:02:24 -
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Nalia White wrote:I have almost 20k kills and only 270 losses with an ISK efficiency of 99.3%. I am a carebear.
every pilot flying a freighter in highsec is less of a carebear than i am :)
imho carebearing has to do with risk averse play. Everyone from code is a bigger carebear than any of their targets also :)
I like the way this player thinks.
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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Solecist Project
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Posted - 2016.09.06 20:56:48 -
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Jaxon Grylls wrote:I don't do PvP combat. I don't like it and I'm useless at it in any case.
I do PvP in other ways.
If I can buy low and sell high, I've scored one over the purchaser of my overpriced goods. Is that not PvP? If I can work out a way to corner the market in certain goods and make a killing, is that not PvP? If someone joins a corps, builds up trust and responsibilities and then legs it with all the corps assets, is that not PvP?
Just because you are not in the business of blowing things up you are still playing against other people and in my book that too is PvP. Do you make them love you? Make them think you're a female ... ... abusing the very fact that they welcome trans people ... ... so they just play along and properly treat you like a female ... ... even though you are neither?
Including all the benefits?
Serious question!
That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
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The Golden Serpent
The Abrahadabra Institute
170
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Posted - 2016.09.06 22:50:51 -
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Brokk Witgenstein wrote:By my definition, a carebear is someone who expects 'others' to provide for their safety.
Not all PvEers, miners, haulers or highsec dwellers are carebears. Not all PvPers are not-carebears.
There are however some stereotypes that hold true: those looking to maximize rewards yet can't be bothered to pay attention or lift a finger in self defense; those who never provide content and expect content to be handed on a silver platter ... browse the forums long enough and you'll find no shortage of people calling X 'unfair' and demand a nerf while counters to X already exist.
Several species are known to man. - AFKbear. Seeks richess without actually doing anything. - Nullbear (AFKbear operating in nullsec). - Concordbear (akin to nullbear, but in highsec). Concord being part of highsec mechanics is one thing, counting on it as your only line of defense is another. - Hubbears (looking for green killboards on undocks, but never ever take a real fight. Dares not leave the docking ring). - Cloakbear (is perpetually looking for easy targets to hotdrop, yet again never looking for a fight. Dares not show himself). - Campbear (sits on a gate 24/7 as part of a fleet but actually contributes nothing and runs at the first sign of trouble). - Walletbear (never looks at local nor the overview) - most common varieties are the Minebear and the FacWarBear. - Strategic Bear (only flies T3 cloaky and nullified ships) - standard configurations include ExplorationBear and OffgridLinkBear. - NPC Bear (sits nice and cozy in NPC corps). - Cheap-o-bear (contributes at most 8 mil to any fleet). We see for example GankBear, MaulusBear and WhorePainterBear. Even though they fully expect to lose their vessels, the safety measures are actually taken even before undocking, simply by putting nothing of value on the line. They literally can't lose. Their killboards are stuffed to the brim with capital ships for nigh-100% efficiency.
Many more exist, but I think this adequately paints the picture.
Wow that is a very comprehensive list thank you bookmarked |
Brokk Witgenstein
Extreme Agony
729
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Posted - 2016.09.06 23:04:53 -
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Here's another list ;-) |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
45019
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Posted - 2016.09.06 23:10:55 -
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Nalia White wrote:I have almost 20k kills and only 270 losses with an ISK efficiency of 99.3%. I am a carebear.
every pilot flying a freighter in highsec is less of a carebear than i am :)
imho carebearing has to do with risk averse play. Everyone from code is a bigger carebear than any of their targets also :) Slightly different view below.
Having an ISK efficiency of 99.3% with 75:1 kill-loss ratio says more about how good you are at managing risk, not that you are necessarily averse to it. In that regard, it's quite possible to take on risk without being stupid in doing so; and being good at what you do doesn't alone make you a Carebear.
Each activity in game has its own inherent level of risk and players that take on responsibility for how they manage their risks are not Carebears, no matter what style of play they prefer.
At any point, the ships that you shoot could have a cyno/covert cyno fit, with support ready to jump in. That they don't isn't your fault and despite that possibility you regularly engage anyway.
Being a Carebear is in my view, something different. It's asking others (usually CCP) to take responsibility for the risks, rather than having personal accountability.
Black Pedro expressed a similar view back on page 1:
Black Pedro wrote:A carebear is someone who rejects the premise that they can be interacted with against their will. They don't accept that it is part of the game for another player to attack them against their will and don't think they should have to adjust their game play to account for this possibility.
So whether as a nullsec system camper, highsec freighter pilot, lowsec mission runner, ganker, wardeccer, miner, explorer or any other style of valid play in the game, Carebear is not about being good at managing risk, it's about whether you are willing to manage it or not in the first place.
People that aren't willing to manage risk and who prefer to just whinge are the Carebears.
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Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
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Posted - 2016.09.06 23:19:35 -
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The Golden Serpent wrote:Wow that is a very comprehensive list thank you bookmarked Bear Types
You are welcome.
The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool.
They lay. They rotted. They turned
Around occasionally.
Bits of flesh dropped off them from
Time to time.
And sank into the pool's mire.
They also smelt a great deal.
Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
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Brokk Witgenstein
Extreme Agony
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Posted - 2016.09.06 23:20:07 -
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Beat you to it, sis ;-) |
Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
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Posted - 2016.09.06 23:22:43 -
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Brokk Witgenstein wrote:Beat you to it, sis ;-) Indeed you did sir o7
The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool.
They lay. They rotted. They turned
Around occasionally.
Bits of flesh dropped off them from
Time to time.
And sank into the pool's mire.
They also smelt a great deal.
Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
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Eternus8lux8lucis
Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
949
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Posted - 2016.09.06 23:28:38 -
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Roenok Baalnorn wrote:
I personally wonder how people have the audacity to think the devs should change the game to fit their play style rather than change their play style to fit the game they choose to play.
In this regard I dont wonder at all. In short this is what "politics" stands for.
Have you heard anything I've said?
You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?
That's right.
Had to end sometime.
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
45020
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Posted - 2016.09.06 23:32:49 -
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Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:Roenok Baalnorn wrote:
I personally wonder how people have the audacity to think the devs should change the game to fit their play style rather than change their play style to fit the game they choose to play.
In this regard I dont wonder at all. In short this is what "politics" stands for. What?
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Keno Skir
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Posted - 2016.09.07 00:45:34 -
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Arahantius Detache wrote:I keep seeing the term carebear being used which I find odd as it is being used in a derogatory manner obviously. I asked on local about the meaning and got 2 answers: 1. A person who stays in Highsec. 2. A person who avoids PVP. If option 1 applys, why is a person who stays in highsec considered a carebear since its obvious that alone they will be ganked EVERY time they enter low security areas. Is it a hate by social people against those who prefer to work alone? If option 2 applys, why is a person who avoids PVP considered weak since the game mechanics clearly allow a solo player to be overwhelmed by sheer numbers of gangs. Clearly, every PVP encounter will be a loss no matter how well outfitted a solo player is. Is this really a way for social players to be prejudiced against people who like to be alone? I work alone but I'm far from scared of anything. I've fought all my own battles and never needed aid from some group of people. Hardly a weakness. BTW this is a psychological phenomena called othering used by primitive humans: https://therearenoothers.wordpress.com/2011/12/28/othering-101-what-is-othering/ Just for those interested in human behaviour
To be fair mate you think nobody can even enter lowsec alone and survive, which is pretty damn weak.
Have a tall glass of man-up and go dig your balls out of storage
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Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
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Posted - 2016.09.07 01:40:09 -
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I've been labeled a nullbear, a wormholer, a pvper... (lol)
I'm just a Capsuleer.
@lunettelulu7
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Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
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Posted - 2016.09.07 02:45:37 -
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If I could glom onto your post OP... could I ask what is the meaning of "pleb"? I asked once in Local, and the response I got was something like, "It means plebians, like you. LOL LMAO ROFL go back to WOW." That caused me to conclude that the pleb-caller was below a plebian, because he didn't know what the word plebian meant.
Patrician - One of the landowning, slave-owning, snobby but still window screenless mosquito slapping members of the Roman mansion-dwelling class. Plebian - All of the other urban, but as yet less successful, hustlers living in ancient Rome. Outside of the leet urban areas, there were of course the 90% or so of people who grew food and lived in huts and were peasants. But at least the were surrounded by soil and had places to bury their dung. Moreover, their neighbors had far away places to bury their own dung.
So what is the meaning of this pleb term being thrown around in Eve? It seems like it's a cool and trendy variant of the honest and direct noob, but infinitely more unwittingly ignoramus-sounding. "LOL pleb," but the guy saying it's granddad was a pleb, and grandson doesn't even know what it means.
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Avaelica Kuershin
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Posted - 2016.09.07 03:09:38 -
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Sometimes "Carebear" (like "SJW") is used ironically by someone applying the label to themselves.
(Oh, as for telling "carebears" to go back to WOW.... Dalaran Sewers) |
Chopper Rollins
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Posted - 2016.09.07 04:36:20 -
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Pleb is used as the opposite of elite. All these terms erupt from that I'm-better-than-you phase that some people not only fail to work through, but actually set up camp and spend the rest of their lives in, defending an externally derived sense of self. Which is fine, if draining to be around. Whenever you say or do anything designed to impress others, or put them down, think of a grandmother's sincere and unrestrained laughter.
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
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