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Piugattuk
Lima beans Corp
450
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Posted - 2016.09.08 23:58:31 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Piugattuk wrote:OP's was saying that because you game dirty shouldn't equate to making judgements about them, ... Since when does shooting someone or outplaying them within the rules of the game equate to gaming dirty?
By dirty I am equating this to game play that negatively impacts others out of acts that most can understand Will have this effect on another.
Fact is that we as humans are not programmed with the same levels of empathy, altruism, or concerns for others, some could care less if someone is hurt and on the ground and will just 'go around' and keep on trucking, while others would do all they can to help another in distress.
What I am saying is that while I see attacking others in game (if I'm not in low/null/WH), as off limits these are my moral grounds, while others do not feel this constrained by personal belief, so I have sat and pondered how they can be 'that way' I finally came to the conclusion that it is because we think differently but it doesn't mean to me anymore that they are evil or bad folk it's just that the process that govern my actions in and out of the game may be absent when others only see an avatar an a icon of a ship and nothing more...I see it as representative of some one out in the world and have no interest in raining on someone's parade.
Hell, I wouldn't attack anyone if I'm not in high sec anyway, my choice, BUT knowing that others do enjoy blowing up my space pixels I've purposely flown ships into low sec areas for the express purpose of the entertainment of gate campers, I fill the hold with loot then go suicide as a way to clear the hanger of stuff. |
Lassie Vhemneer
Huggies Mining Corp.
0
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Posted - 2016.09.09 00:10:17 -
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Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:Because its still YOU, a real person, doing those actions and if you enjoy said actions it means there is a portion of yourself, your real self, that also enjoys said actions or you would not do them. The game allows you the freedom to drop your moral or other illusions about your societal self and lowers or removes your inhibitions to where you can do it without shattering your self image, the image you have built up and society most often ratifies of your nature as a person.
It is akin to roleplay and acting as well. Actors that have "lost" themselves so completely in dark roles have often spoken of the unease of their psyches after such roles or have literally tumbled off the moral abyss. Undercover cops, spies and undercover agents have also tumbled off this moral abyss and taken on the role they are portraying so fully that they become the corrupt portion of themselves they were meant to guard against. It is a rather common phenomena and psychologically valid.
If you are interested you should look this type of behavior up. Its a very real thing to take on the persona one wishes to have, both positively and negatively. The idea of "act as if" is very good for positive change. Aka the idea of believing yourself to already be that which you wish to become until you simply are that. It is a very fascinating human condition and really shows neuro-plasticity and the ability for a person to alter almost anything about themselves so fully as to quite literally become a very different person. Game personas are one way we delve into this "act" with ourselves and others in a mostly harmless and safe way.
I agree it's behavior.
psychosis: literally unhappy living reality. |
Giaus Felix
Hedion University Amarr Empire
192
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Posted - 2016.09.09 00:12:56 -
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Piugattuk wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:Piugattuk wrote:OP's was saying that because you game dirty shouldn't equate to making judgements about them, ... Since when does shooting someone or outplaying them within the rules of the game equate to gaming dirty? By dirty I am equating this to game play that negatively impacts others out of acts that most can understand Will have this effect on another. Fact is that we as humans are not programmed with the same levels of empathy, altruism, or concerns for others, some could care less if someone is hurt and on the ground and will just 'go around' and keep on trucking, while others would do all they can to help another in distress. What I am saying is that while I see attacking others in game (if I'm not in low/null/WH), as off limits these are my moral grounds, while others do not feel this constrained by personal belief, so I have sat and pondered how they can be 'that way' I finally came to the conclusion that it is because we think differently but it doesn't mean to me anymore that they are evil or bad folk it's just that the process that govern my actions in and out of the game may be absent when others only see an avatar an a icon of a ship and nothing more...I see it as representative of some one out in the world and have no interest in raining on someone's parade. Hell, I wouldn't attack anyone if I'm not in high sec anyway, my choice, BUT knowing that others do enjoy blowing up my space pixels I've purposely flown ships into low sec areas for the express purpose of the entertainment of gate campers, I fill the hold with loot then go suicide as a way to clear the hanger of stuff. That's entirely your problem.
Your perception of playing dirty is wrong, the people you perceive as dirty players are in fact not dirty players at all, because the rules of the game allow the activities that you consider to be foul play.
Don't like the rules? Don't play the game.
I am Ralph's junk DNA.
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
5215
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Posted - 2016.09.09 04:26:45 -
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Piugattuk wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:Piugattuk wrote:OP's was saying that because you game dirty shouldn't equate to making judgements about them, ... Since when does shooting someone or outplaying them within the rules of the game equate to gaming dirty? By dirty I am equating this to game play that negatively impacts others out of acts that most can understand Will have this effect on another. Fact is that we as humans are not programmed with the same levels of empathy, altruism, or concerns for others, some could care less if someone is hurt and on the ground and will just 'go around' and keep on trucking, while others would do all they can to help another in distress. What I am saying is that while I see attacking others in game (if I'm not in low/null/WH), as off limits these are my moral grounds, while others do not feel this constrained by personal belief, so I have sat and pondered how they can be 'that way' I finally came to the conclusion that it is because we think differently but it doesn't mean to me anymore that they are evil or bad folk it's just that the process that govern my actions in and out of the game may be absent when others only see an avatar an a icon of a ship and nothing more...I see it as representative of some one out in the world and have no interest in raining on someone's parade. Hell, I wouldn't attack anyone if I'm not in high sec anyway, my choice, BUT knowing that others do enjoy blowing up my space pixels I've purposely flown ships into low sec areas for the express purpose of the entertainment of gate campers, I fill the hold with loot then go suicide as a way to clear the hanger of stuff.
I knew I was a psychopath as a child....I liked playing Stratego and enjoyed winning....I'm a monster.
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
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Lucy Lollipops
State War Academy Caldari State
108
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Posted - 2016.09.09 05:08:35 -
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It's fantastic to see so many ***holes wanting to be called heroes... |
Tsukino Stareine
Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found
1783
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Posted - 2016.09.09 05:56:02 -
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Nobody thinks they are a hero, we are just doing what is heeded to get ahead in an environment without consequences.
If you can't handle it I'm sure Hello Kitty online spoonfeeds and protects you enough to your standards |
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
2358
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Posted - 2016.09.09 06:18:23 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:Nobody thinks they are a hero, we are just doing what is heeded to get ahead in an environment without consequences.
If you can't handle it I'm sure Hello Kitty online spoonfeeds and protects you enough to your standards
Jenn a'Snide was calling them heros, one of them goes out on missing people searches, and all of them were in the military or emergency services or something like that . It must be true Jenn a'Snide said it...
When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
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Keno Skir
840
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Posted - 2016.09.09 06:24:36 -
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My god what a stupid conversation.
You wouldn't call someone a megalomaniac if they beat you at Chess? Would you assume someone who beat you at mortal combat was a murderer in the making? Would you assume that because he chooses Raiden he is a closet "Frozen" fan?
Long and short is that people who get smacked down a lot in EvE like to make themselves feel better by claiming some sort of moral superiority over their attacker. It makes them a bit warmer inside to feel at least in some way rightious as they swallow the bitter sticky load of failure.
It's a game, if someone plays inside the rules you have not a leg to stand on questioning their RL moral compass. Grow up.
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
2791
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Posted - 2016.09.09 06:49:34 -
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Lucy Lollipops wrote:It's fantastic to see so many ***holes wanting to be called heroes... I think it is just rude to judge all AG this way. I'm sure some of them are decent people in RL.
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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Piugattuk
Lima beans Corp
452
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Posted - 2016.09.09 06:55:47 -
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Keno Skir wrote:My god what a stupid conversation.
You wouldn't call someone a megalomaniac if they beat you at Chess? Would you assume someone who beat you at mortal combat was a murderer in the making? Would you assume that because he chooses Raiden he is a closet "Frozen" fan?
Long and short is that people who get smacked down a lot in EvE like to make themselves feel better by claiming some sort of moral superiority over their attacker. It makes them a bit warmer inside to feel at least in some way rightious as they swallow the bitter sticky load of failure.
It's a game, if someone plays inside the rules you have not a leg to stand on questioning their RL moral compass. Grow up.
The whole point of the OP's post IS about the game and people's perceptions of his morality, you talk about suggestive thing you should look at yourself before you tell others to grow up and learn to restrain yourself when it comes to posting nasty things where children my see it, this game is not just played by adults. |
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
5217
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Posted - 2016.09.09 06:57:34 -
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Lucy Lollipops wrote:It's fantastic to see so many ***holes wanting to be called heroes...
Holy ****.....
Who the Hell said that?
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
5217
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Posted - 2016.09.09 06:58:52 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:Lucy Lollipops wrote:It's fantastic to see so many ***holes wanting to be called heroes... I think it is just rude to judge all AG this way. I'm sure some of them are decent people in RL.
Maybe 1....possibly 2, but unlikely.
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
5217
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Posted - 2016.09.09 07:05:37 -
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Piugattuk wrote:Keno Skir wrote:My god what a stupid conversation.
You wouldn't call someone a megalomaniac if they beat you at Chess? Would you assume someone who beat you at mortal combat was a murderer in the making? Would you assume that because he chooses Raiden he is a closet "Frozen" fan?
Long and short is that people who get smacked down a lot in EvE like to make themselves feel better by claiming some sort of moral superiority over their attacker. It makes them a bit warmer inside to feel at least in some way rightious as they swallow the bitter sticky load of failure.
It's a game, if someone plays inside the rules you have not a leg to stand on questioning their RL moral compass. Grow up. The whole point of the OP's post IS about the game and people's perceptions of his morality, you talk about suggestive thing you should look at yourself before you tell others to grow up and learn to restrain yourself when it comes to posting nasty things where children my see it, this game is not just played by adults.
Holy ****ing Hell...morality. Dude it is a game.
It. Is. A. Game.
Just because somebody wants to be the "bad guy" in the game does not mean they are history's greatest monster.
What he is talking about is the over the top invective directed at him for doing things that were fully intended by the game designers.
He is not the issue, the people spewing invective...they have some issues.
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
5217
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Posted - 2016.09.09 07:13:26 -
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Dracvlad wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:Nobody thinks they are a hero, we are just doing what is heeded to get ahead in an environment without consequences.
If you can't handle it I'm sure Hello Kitty online spoonfeeds and protects you enough to your standards Jenn a'Snide was calling them heros, one of them goes out on missing people searches, and all of them were in the military or emergency services or something like that . It must be true Jenn a'Snide said it...
LInk the post please. I've read two of her posts and while she listed some anecdotal evidence of what some of the "bad guys in EVE" did in RL I don't see claims that gankers are heroes.
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
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Piugattuk
Lima beans Corp
453
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Posted - 2016.09.09 07:19:29 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:Piugattuk wrote:Keno Skir wrote:My god what a stupid conversation.
You wouldn't call someone a megalomaniac if they beat you at Chess? Would you assume someone who beat you at mortal combat was a murderer in the making? Would you assume that because he chooses Raiden he is a closet "Frozen" fan?
Long and short is that people who get smacked down a lot in EvE like to make themselves feel better by claiming some sort of moral superiority over their attacker. It makes them a bit warmer inside to feel at least in some way rightious as they swallow the bitter sticky load of failure.
It's a game, if someone plays inside the rules you have not a leg to stand on questioning their RL moral compass. Grow up. The whole point of the OP's post IS about the game and people's perceptions of his morality, you talk about suggestive thing you should look at yourself before you tell others to grow up and learn to restrain yourself when it comes to posting nasty things where children my see it, this game is not just played by adults. Holy ****ing Hell...morality. Dude it is a game. It. Is. A. Game. Just because somebody wants to be the "bad guy" in the game does not mean they are history's greatest monster. What he is talking about is the over the top invective directed at him for doing things that were fully intended by the game designers. He is not the issue, the people spewing invective...they have some issues.
I agree, people going ape and threatening others is not cool, I'm not questioning his morality I'm just pointing out why others would, your right in the end it's just a game, it is not really all that important in comparison to RL, but to some it may be all they have.
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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
2358
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Posted - 2016.09.09 08:22:04 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:Dracvlad wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:Nobody thinks they are a hero, we are just doing what is heeded to get ahead in an environment without consequences.
If you can't handle it I'm sure Hello Kitty online spoonfeeds and protects you enough to your standards Jenn a'Snide was calling them heros, one of them goes out on missing people searches, and all of them were in the military or emergency services or something like that . It must be true Jenn a'Snide said it... LInk the post please. I've read two of her posts and while she listed some anecdotal evidence of what some of the "bad guys in EVE" did in RL I don't see claims that gankers are heroes.
Its is in this thread...
And I am seeing some of you gankers apply this comparisons to RL fin terms of AG players which you refuse for yourself, please be consistent otherwise people will take you for hypocrites.
When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
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oiukhp Muvila
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
58
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Posted - 2016.09.09 08:24:46 -
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What we got here is over-psychoanalyzation.
People who play and enjoy First Person Shooters are not mass murders nor aspire to be for that reason alone. People who enjoy blowing up other people's ships in Eve for no good reason are also not bad people for that reason alone.
You would have massive amounts of false negatives if you were to try and use any of the above tests to try and find truly RL "dangerous" people. There are far better ways to find them.
Therefore anyone who is trying to say that players are bad people IRL because they enjoy some type of play style in Eve Online are truly misguided or very disingenuous.
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
45047
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Posted - 2016.09.09 08:32:15 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:Dracvlad wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:Nobody thinks they are a hero, we are just doing what is heeded to get ahead in an environment without consequences.
If you can't handle it I'm sure Hello Kitty online spoonfeeds and protects you enough to your standards Jenn a'Snide was calling them heros, one of them goes out on missing people searches, and all of them were in the military or emergency services or something like that . It must be true Jenn a'Snide said it... LInk the post please. I've read two of her posts and while she listed some anecdotal evidence of what some of the "bad guys in EVE" did in RL I don't see claims that gankers are heroes. I know the search function is a bit limited, but a search for 'hero' doesn't turn up Jenn in any of the references related to this thread:
https://puu.sh/r53Ki/7968cddbee.png
So don't hold your breath waiting if that is the case. It would be a case of the usual, a claim made in error with nothing to support it.
Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
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Desiderya
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
1131
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Posted - 2016.09.09 08:35:05 -
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Idk, OP, it's usually really simple.
What people do in the game doesn't really reflect their personality. People tend to play to win, and this includes trying to get every edge they can get to achieve their goal (which often is the loss of someone else). This is the nature of the game. You don't have to be a bad person or a loonie IRL to do and enjoy this.
You can usually spot the dicks when they open their mouth and smacktalk leaves the confines of that, though.
Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.
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Ginger Naari
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
28
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Posted - 2016.09.09 08:43:18 -
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Elenahina wrote:Chopper Rollins wrote:Elenahina wrote:Just like I have a code of ethics that guides my real life, I would create a code of behavior and guidelines for my characters. Motivations, goals, things of that sort.? The invented character turns to powder under pressure. An easy test for people is to ask them questions you know the answer to. A hard test is to stress them with responsibility, ridicule or limit their time or ability to do something. Roleplaying is a posture people adopt, the core doesn't change. You might be surprised. My wife tells me I role play a better girl than she does. That actually requires a fundamentally more dramatic shift in thinking than just trying to play someone evil. @Lucas also I get your points - I just think it's too broad a generalization to be useful in drawing conclusions. Do some people who play assholes in Eve really behave like assholes in RL? Without doubt. But saying that all of them behave that way is just silly over generalization. I don't do that sort of thing in real life because I have empathy. I don't find it enjoyable to hurt real people. I give less than two fucks about your feelings about your space pixels, and I will quite happily violence them, steal them, or otherwise deprive you of them at my earliest opportunity. Because there are no consequences for me - and none for you. You aren't injured when I destroy your ship. You aren't really going to starve when I steal your last ISK. Your children won't really eat from a bin because you didn't pay my ransom and I destroyed your mining barge. I do have limits - I won't steal from a corp mate. I wouldn't get to know someone in RL and then use that knowledge to scam or steal from them - because that does have real world consequences, and that is what separates a real world ******* from a pretend one. The latter cares about the RL consequences of RL actions. The former does not. Edit: Fixed a sentence. Stupid english.
If your conscience lets you behave that way in game then I have no doubt whatsoever that that same conscience would let you behave that way irl....if you could get away with it.
Oh, and enough of the **** about they're only space pixels, behind every single space pixel is a real person. Whatever you're doing to said pixels is directly affecting a real person.
I'm not on about fleet battles, defence fleets etc so everyone trying to put them in the same category as griefing, forget it.
This is about players like you getting their jollies off by causing as much grief and hassle to another player as they possibly can regardless of how much rl suffering you might be causing to the guy.
Thing is, you can only do it in HS, which is completely contradictory even in EVE. High Security should mean just that, and yes, I don't think the consequences are in any way near harsh enough for the griefers.
Now you can kick and scream about pvp and nothing is safe as much as you want, the fact is that players doing this crap in HS are just cowards hiding behind a pathetic game mechanic.
Take bumping, you bump someone deliberately for an hour or more and don't think it's affecting someone? How ******* frustrated do you think the guy behind the other keyboard is feeling? I probably wouldn't have a keyboard left.....
Then you come on here crying about how you are perceived in game..you deserve everything you get, and more. |
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Lucy Lollipops
State War Academy Caldari State
109
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Posted - 2016.09.09 10:09:27 -
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It's really pathetic to see persons that enjoy to annoy others complaining because the get insulted.
It's deserved and natural players think you are annoying persons even in real life. |
Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
2699
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Posted - 2016.09.09 10:11:43 -
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Ginger Naari wrote:This is about players like you getting their jollies off by causing as much grief and hassle to another player as they possibly can regardless of how much rl suffering you might be causing to the guy.
Thing is, you can only do it in HS, which is completely contradictory even in EVE. High Security should mean just that, and yes, I don't think the consequences are in any way near harsh enough for the griefers.
Now you can kick and scream about pvp and nothing is safe as much as you want, the fact is that players doing this crap in HS are just cowards hiding behind a pathetic game mechanic. Don't hate the player, hate the game. Or maybe in this case, hate the masses of players that keep playing the game despite the fact that they appear to hate it.
Highsec does not mean "safe security". If that was what CCP intended to be it would be called "safe sec". Given that it is only highsec security, not complete security it is logical that there will be a non-zero number of attacks by criminals. You sound like would only be happy if it was impossible to attack another player in highsec? Do you really think that all such highsec attacks are "griefing"?
Look, highsec security space is just that. CCP Quant showed us exactly how little ganking activity actually goes on in this game compared to the rest of the activity (CONCORD does 4 orders of magnitude less damage than Players vs. NPCs and 2 orders of magnitude less than players vs. other players). That's pretty safe. The reality is though, for certain players any number other than zero is unacceptable. They expect a single-player experience where they are in control and think they should not be attacked by another player without their permission under any circumstances and call any such interaction "griefing". Well it is "griefing" in dictionary sense of being an unwanted interaction that causes distress, but not under the EULA as this is the intended gameplay CCP built into their sandbox game. Since the PvP is non-consensual everywhere in this game by design, the whole game can be consider "griefing".
You are entitled to judge players however you like for how they play this game and call them names as Eve players are want to do, but when they shoot you or wardec you or scam you or bump you in highsec they are playing by the rules. You can call them sadists and sociopaths, or threaten them with violence and harm, but it is not they who are doing anything wrong. It is the player who doesn't understand what type of game that they are playing, or is unable to separate real-life from video game space pixels who is bringing this grief upon themselves.
If you don't like fighting over and losing virtual items, then play something that doesn't feature non-consensual fighting over virtual items as its central idea. But calling players who do like that gameplay, the very game play that CCP built and is selling, maladjusted or dysfunctional in real-life is laughable and these same players who can separate fantasy from reality will just roll their eyes when you do and then go gank/scam/wardec you harder.
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sero Hita
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
218
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Posted - 2016.09.09 10:45:05 -
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Ginger Naari wrote:
If your conscience lets you behave that way in game then I have no doubt whatsoever that that same conscience would let you behave that way irl....if you could get away with it.
And you think your conscience would not allow that? Get down from your high horse. If pushed enough or under the right circumstances anyone of us would do horrible stuff to other persons (see the stanford prison experiments). It does not however mean that my in game character is reflected in my RL character, and that is has be in the time I am alive. So I would appreciate it, if you would stop trying to paint me like a malfunctioning walking timebomb capable of doing greater harm than the average person, without knowing who I am.
"I'm all for pvp, don't get me wrong. I've ganked in Empire, blobed in low sec. Got T-shirts from every which-where.. But to be forced into a pvp confrontation that I didn't want is wrong ccp." RealFlisker
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Avaelica Kuershin
Paper Cats
276
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Posted - 2016.09.09 10:45:13 -
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Maybe those of us who have ganked wouldn't commit evil deeds IRL. Not because of fear of getting caught, but because we don't dehumanise other people. Because we know the unpleasant urges within and strive to be better.
Conversely, there may be some, who in game are avowed pacifists.... but torch their ship and profanities spew forth. |
sero Hita
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
218
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Posted - 2016.09.09 11:02:44 -
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Avaelica Kuershin wrote:Maybe those of us who have ganked wouldn't commit evil deeds IRL. Not because of fear of getting caught, but because we don't dehumanise other people. Because we know the unpleasant urges within and strive to be better.
Conversely, there may be some, who in game are avowed pacifists.... but torch their ship and profanities spew forth.
Exactly this. Unfortunately you can only give 1 like on the forums, so here take +5 imaginary likes
"I'm all for pvp, don't get me wrong. I've ganked in Empire, blobed in low sec. Got T-shirts from every which-where.. But to be forced into a pvp confrontation that I didn't want is wrong ccp." RealFlisker
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Giaus Felix
Hedion University Amarr Empire
196
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Posted - 2016.09.09 11:13:38 -
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Ginger Naari wrote: If your conscience lets you behave that way in game then I have no doubt whatsoever that that same conscience would let you behave that way irl....if you could get away with it.
Oh, and enough of the **** about they're only space pixels, behind every single space pixel is a real person. Whatever you're doing to said pixels is directly affecting a real person.
I'm not on about fleet battles, defence fleets etc so everyone trying to put them in the same category as griefing, forget it.
Well that's a dirty great steaming pile of dung
Depriving people of space pixels is A: within the rules, and thus context of Eve, and B: well within the realms of fantasy; just like shooting people in the face in an FPS is within the rules and context of the genre, and also in the the realms of fantasy.
Quote:This is about players like you getting their jollies off by causing as much grief and hassle to another player as they possibly can regardless of how much rl suffering you might be causing to the guy.
Thing is, you can only do it in HS, which is completely contradictory even in EVE. High Security should mean just that, and yes, I don't think the consequences are in any way near harsh enough for the griefers.
Now you can kick and scream about pvp and nothing is safe as much as you want, the fact is that players doing this crap in HS are just cowards hiding behind a pathetic game mechanic. If you suffer real life suffering over the loss if some imaginary spaceships, in a game where imaginary spaceships are lost every minute of every day that the server is running, then you may want to reconsider your choice to play such a game.
As for consequences, any that go above and beyond those already provided by the game are up to players to inflict.
Quote:Take bumping, you bump someone deliberately for an hour or more and don't think it's affecting someone? How ******* frustrated do you think the guy behind the other keyboard is feeling? I probably wouldn't have a keyboard left..... If you get bumped for an hour... either the gankers are slacking because you should have exploded in the first 10 minutes or you're doing it wrong.
Quote:Then you come on here crying about how you are perceived in game..you deserve everything you get, and more. Nobody deserves to be told that someone is coming along shortly to sexually assault and murder their family, sadly it's a regular occurrence and the threats generally come from the people who claim to be "peaceful law abiding citizens".
I am Ralph's junk DNA.
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Giaus Felix
Hedion University Amarr Empire
198
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Posted - 2016.09.09 11:21:43 -
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Lucy Lollipops wrote:It's really pathetic to see persons that enjoy to annoy others complaining because the get insulted.
It's deserved and natural players think you are annoying persons even in real life. By your own metric, I take it that we can safely assume that you're a whinging windbag in real life?
I am Ralph's junk DNA.
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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
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Posted - 2016.09.09 11:30:49 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Teckos Pech wrote:Dracvlad wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:Nobody thinks they are a hero, we are just doing what is heeded to get ahead in an environment without consequences.
If you can't handle it I'm sure Hello Kitty online spoonfeeds and protects you enough to your standards Jenn a'Snide was calling them heros, one of them goes out on missing people searches, and all of them were in the military or emergency services or something like that . It must be true Jenn a'Snide said it... LInk the post please. I've read two of her posts and while she listed some anecdotal evidence of what some of the "bad guys in EVE" did in RL I don't see claims that gankers are heroes. I know the search function is a bit limited, but a search for 'hero' doesn't turn up Jenn in any of the references related to this thread: https://puu.sh/r53Ki/7968cddbee.png So don't hold your breath waiting if that is the case. It would be a case of the usual, a claim made in error with nothing to support it.
Still butt hurt from earlier I see As I said those people were doing it for their own needs and desires, you are just too stupid to realise it.
The post where Jenn a'Snide talks about a ganker going out to search for missing people is in this thread, not my issue that you are unable to locate it mate.
When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
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Tao Dolcino
EVE University Ivy League
611
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Posted - 2016.09.09 11:48:19 -
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I'm a roleplayer, since the early 80's on pen and paper RP, then since 1999 on internet. Roleplay is quite a marginal consideration for most EVE players, so i'm not often convinced when people use it as an excuse for their behavior. |
March rabbit
Mosquito Squadron The-Culture
1886
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Posted - 2016.09.09 12:05:07 -
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Dracvlad wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:Teckos Pech wrote:Dracvlad wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:Nobody thinks they are a hero, we are just doing what is heeded to get ahead in an environment without consequences.
If you can't handle it I'm sure Hello Kitty online spoonfeeds and protects you enough to your standards Jenn a'Snide was calling them heros, one of them goes out on missing people searches, and all of them were in the military or emergency services or something like that . It must be true Jenn a'Snide said it... LInk the post please. I've read two of her posts and while she listed some anecdotal evidence of what some of the "bad guys in EVE" did in RL I don't see claims that gankers are heroes. I know the search function is a bit limited, but a search for 'hero' doesn't turn up Jenn in any of the references related to this thread: https://puu.sh/r53Ki/7968cddbee.png So don't hold your breath waiting if that is the case. It would be a case of the usual, a claim made in error with nothing to support it. Still butt hurt from earlier I see As I said those people were doing it for their own needs and desires, you are just too stupid to realise it. The post where Jenn a'Snide talks about a ganker going out to search for missing people is in this thread, not my issue that you are unable to locate it mate. Even if that post can be found i would not bet on it anyway. Jenn often post that: - he makes lots of ISK from incursion when people talks that incursion does not huge ISK - he gets nice loot when people talks about low rates of drop - he makes lots of ISK farming 0.0 sec when people asks for making better ISK in 0.0 - .... generally anything people talks about Jenn does better and faster.
The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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