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Eternus8lux8lucis
Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
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Posted - 2016.09.09 10:23:31 -
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Yeah they are limiting some of the items in game. As there has been a HUGE influx of accounts since the skill injectors, just check out eveoffline for the new account spikes which amount to about 15-20K accounts all told, which are all injector farming accounts and are all plexed.
Basically CCP is excluding all those style accounts in this offer to limit the rewards which in turn will screw anyone else that plexs their acounts.
Everyone that has ever subbed gets the Gnosis skin, so these will be the most prevalent items from the deal, anyone that subs one month at the time of expansion will get the last free ship, the armor set and googles and the gnosis skin, anyone that pays for 3 months will get all of it by my account of the deal.
From the way I have gathered it is that CCPs accounting policy is different for recurring subs than for plexs. AFAIK they state the recurring subs as income directly while the plexs income is a bit different as it can be claimed WHEN it is sold OR WHEN it is redeemed for game time. Which allows for a lot of account shenanigans if one wishes based on what is the best accounting policy. Delaying, or defering, income is a common practice for companies.
It also likely means CCP wants to bolster its income statements a bit with increased "income", perhaps for a bad quarterly or other such issues. But that is pure speculation on my part there. Ive just seen it on a lot of prospectus' in my days. You would be surpised at all the loopholes in accounting for companies for quarterly or year ends.
Have you heard anything I've said?
You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?
That's right.
Had to end sometime.
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Arkoth 24
Phayder
308
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Posted - 2016.09.09 10:26:28 -
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The only way to clear up this mess is get a respond from CCP itself. Let's hope some ISD-guy will put this topic to their attention.
Now i'm confused a bit too.
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Lan Wang
C.Q.B Snuffed Out
3444
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Posted - 2016.09.09 10:41:47 -
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damn ive always paid a sub for my 2 accounts and just used plex this month as a 1 off :(
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Darth Terona
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
281
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Posted - 2016.09.09 10:42:02 -
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Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore
14640
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Posted - 2016.09.09 12:51:50 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:from the page Quote:To celebrate the massive expansion coming this November, we are offering subscribers a collection of loyalty rewards. Subscribe before 16 September 2016 and maintain an active subscription until November to collect them all. The rewards are:
- Three ships available to continuous subscribers from the 16th September 2016 until the expansion launch.
- Gnosis SKIN, available to all capsuleers who have ever subscribed for at least 1 month at the date of expansion launch
- Armor suit and goggles set, available to subscribers that have an active plan on the date that the expansion launches.
Rewards will be added to your account in November. Disclaimer
- Three ships available to continuous subscribers from the 16th September 2016 until the expansion launch.
- Gnosis SKIN, available to all capsuleers who have ever subscribed for at least 1 month at the date of expansion launch
- Armor suit and goggles set, available to subscribers that have an active plan on the date that the expansion launches.
Thanks Ralph.
Now to the OP, what part of that says anything about PLEX users? If you are posting here, you are a "subscriber". |
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
7836
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Posted - 2016.09.09 12:54:27 -
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Eternus8lux8lucis wrote: Basically CCP is excluding all those style accounts in this offer to limit the rewards which in turn will screw anyone else that plexs their acounts. I'm 99% certain this is not the case. They never have split it out like that, and farm accounts aren't a new thing. And they are giving out in-game items, so it really wouldn't be worth the headache from enraged players to limit them anyway, since giving them out to everyone has no real impact.
Consider too that if they were to split it out, anyone already plexed past November would be psychically unable to pay their sub, and anyone of an age which restricts access to payment method or in a country that restricts access to payment methods would be unable to participate.
I'm not even sure where the confusion came from either, since it only states you need an active subscription, and a plexed account has a subscription status of Active.
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Henry Plantgenet
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
110
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Posted - 2016.09.09 13:02:48 -
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Should the accounting matching principle make the income of plex be counted when the plex is actually used/destroyed? |
Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate Naquatech Syndicate
1922
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Posted - 2016.09.09 13:24:40 -
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Sub = 30d PLEX = 30d Sub = PLEX
Akrasjel Lanate
Founder and CEO of Naquatech Conglomerate
Executor of Naquatech Syndicate
Citizen of Solitude
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DaReaper
Net 7 Cannon.Fodder
2891
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Posted - 2016.09.09 17:27:57 -
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A plex is basically the same as paying a month to month subscription. CCP's internal system does;t give a rats ass how you pay for said sub. If you play eve right now, you are subscribed. its that simple. The only way you will not get the rewards, form my understanding, is if you let your subscription lapse (i.e. you don;t pay for it) in anyway. So stop paying with plex, sub lapses. Simple.
They have done this for years and i had an account i used to plex for a year till i got tired of wasting the isk and just forked out my cc. it got all the reward my other accounts did, and there was no mention during that time frame of a sub vs plex. A sub is a sub regardless of how you pay for it.
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Isaac Armer
The Soup Kitchen
305
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Posted - 2016.09.09 17:41:09 -
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Darth Terona wrote:Plexing does not count twords being subscribed?
I'm going to be cut out of the rewards because I'm clever enuff to not have to pay for my account?
I mean. Ccp got their money either way. So I don't think it's right to not include us who plex.
I'm clever enough to earn enough to pay a month's subscription in 16 minutes of work IRL. Why would I be dumb enough to plex?
Why aren't you more clever? You don't seem clever enough to spell correctly |
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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
7840
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Posted - 2016.09.09 17:48:07 -
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Kek, ignore me.
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Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2016.09.09 18:16:54 -
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Isaac Armer wrote:Darth Terona wrote:Plexing does not count twords being subscribed?
I'm going to be cut out of the rewards because I'm clever enuff to not have to pay for my account?
I mean. Ccp got their money either way. So I don't think it's right to not include us who plex. I'm clever enough to earn enough to pay a month's subscription in 16 minutes of work IRL. Why would I be dumb enough to plex? Why aren't you more clever? You don't seem clever enough to spell correctly
You're right of course, maybe Darth isn't as clever as he thinks.
However, in defense of PLEXing, sure you can do a sub wirth of cash in 16 minutes of working, but can you do it while at home, butt naked, drunk off of cheap malt liquor while listening to Death Metal?
If the answer is yes, please PM me an application to your place of work, I'm interested |
Shallanna Yassavi
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
390
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Posted - 2016.09.09 18:19:40 -
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F2P entitlement: because making people do stupid silly task for hours and hours for a a crumb makes them feel like they've earned it.
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SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
2293
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Posted - 2016.09.09 18:26:56 -
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Darth Terona wrote:Plexing does not count twords being subscribed?
I'm going to be cut out of the rewards because I'm clever enuff to not have to pay for my account?
I mean. Ccp got their money either way. So I don't think it's right to not include us who plex.
You can't be that clever. All the email said was, "Maintain an active subscription" - a criteria which is met by PLEX.
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Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore
14649
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Posted - 2016.09.09 18:31:48 -
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This thread is an example of how hysteria happens.
Someone reads or hears something, takes it in an out of context way based on a flaw in their personal definition of something (in this case the flawed idea that plexing and subscribing are different), and then blows it up into some horror that it never was.
It's kind of funny in the context of a video game forum, till you realize that real life wars have been started from such misunderstandings... |
DeODokktor
Dark Templars The Fonz Presidium
76
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Posted - 2016.09.09 20:48:45 -
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Going by the email, and the page it links too, it does not look like it will work for plex. The fact that this thread is 3 pages long and a ccp staff member has no doubt read it means that If it was going to apply to plex then a ccp'er would have said so by now. |
Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore
14652
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Posted - 2016.09.09 21:20:05 -
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DeODokktor wrote:Going by the email, and the page it links too, it does not look like it will work for plex. The fact that this thread is 3 pages long and a ccp staff member has no doubt read it means that If it was going to apply to plex then a ccp'er would have said so by now.
You must be new here lol. |
DeODokktor
Dark Templars The Fonz Presidium
76
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Posted - 2016.09.09 21:33:19 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:DeODokktor wrote:Going by the email, and the page it links too, it does not look like it will work for plex. The fact that this thread is 3 pages long and a ccp staff member has no doubt read it means that If it was going to apply to plex then a ccp'er would have said so by now. You must be new here lol.
No.. If it is something customers will like, they reply quick. If it is something customers will NOT like... They seem to never know the thread existed. |
Isaac Armer
The Soup Kitchen
307
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Posted - 2016.09.09 22:16:53 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:You're right of course, maybe Darth isn't as clever as he thinks. However, in defense of PLEXing, sure you can do a sub wirth of cash in 16 minutes of working, but can you do it while at home, butt naked, drunk off of cheap malt liquor while listening to Death Metal? If the answer is yes, please PM me an application to your place of work, I'm interested
I have a friend who drinks wine from a thermos while at work, does that count? |
Algarion Getz
Aideron Corp
209
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Posted - 2016.09.09 22:23:34 -
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sero Hita wrote:Darth Terona wrote:
My plex for my accounts is equal revenue for Ccp to someone who has subscribed for that time Both the subscriber and the plexer meet the win condition. Both should be rewarded.
No, the guy who bought the PLEX should be rewarded then, not you. CCP wants to reward paying customers, you are not that, no matter what mental gymnastics you do. You are just playing the game, making an insensitive for people to buy PLEX. The market exist so there is no reason to reward people buying PLEX with isk. With the introduction of alpha clones it also make sense they want as many subscribers as possible, as the general amount of plexers might drop. So: you do not create revenue, the guy buying the PLEX does. So stop trying to ruining it for the people who actually had to put up some money. No hands- no cookies, just like it should be in a cuttthroat world.
1. The guy who consumes (uses) the PLEX generates the revenue. 2. CCP earns more with a PLEX subscription (Gé¼19.95 per month) than with a normal subscription (Gé¼14.95 or Gé¼10.95 per month depending on sub plan). 3. CCP never made a difference between PLEX subs and normal subs AFAIK. Sub is sub. |
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
18018
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Posted - 2016.09.09 22:53:41 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:This thread is an example of how hysteria happens.
Someone reads or hears something, takes it in an out of context way based on a flaw in their personal definition of something (in this case the flawed idea that plexing and subscribing are different), and then blows it up into some horror that it never was.
It's kind of funny in the context of a video game forum, till you realize that real life wars have been started from such misunderstandings...
Stop it Jen, they're enjoying themselves.
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
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Serene Repose
2956
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Posted - 2016.09.09 23:18:31 -
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sero Hita wrote:...the little PVE bears.... Noblesse oblige being what it is, eh?
We must accommodate the idiocracy.
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sero Hita
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
230
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Posted - 2016.09.09 23:42:38 -
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You know you are discussing something else than the discussion you are commenting on, right?
Algarion Getz wrote:
1. The guy who consumes (uses) the PLEX generates the revenue.
Sure. So if I buy 200 PLEX, but don't consume them, just store them CCP makes no revenue, right? I hope you can see how stupid your comment is. As soon as I buy the PLEX CCP makes money, independent of it is consumed or not. A lot of plexes are never consumed, but used as an investment object CCP still gets the money.
Algarion Getz wrote: 2. CCP earns more with a PLEX subscription (Gé¼19.95 per month) than with a normal subscription (Gé¼14.95 or Gé¼10.95 per month depending on sub plan).
This was never part of the discussion. The discussion is about that he cannot accept that people who gives money directly to CCP gets more than those who do not. Where I say, if it is the case that plexers don't get the reward(I highly doubt this) and if he wants to reward someone, then reward the one who bought the PLEX with real money instead of the guy who uses it. I hope you can see how this is different from the differences in prizes you were posting?
Algarion Getz wrote:
3. CCP never made a difference between PLEX subs and normal subs AFAIK. Sub is sub.
If you had read anything in this thread, instead of just barging in the end of the thread commenting on something you don't understand the context of, you would know that this is not completely clear. Hence this panic thread about how the OP thinks it is unfair, that those using real money to subscribe with get something he does not when using no money(Again I think plexers will be included as well, but OP does clearly not). Due to the ambiguous wording on the subscription page it is open to interpretation. If plexers are not included I have argued for, I think this is okay if CCP only wants to reward those who have subscriptions, it is their choice.
It really annoys me you reply to something, having not understood a minimum of what is being discussed.
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
56408
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Posted - 2016.09.10 00:20:22 -
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I keep seeing people refer to getting an Email from CCP.
What Email and why didn't I get one ?
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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Serene Repose
2956
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Posted - 2016.09.10 00:40:45 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote: Account Expires 12 November 2016 - 7:36 pm UTC (in 63 days)
Not one for cutting it close, are yah?
We must accommodate the idiocracy.
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Keebler Wizard
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
27
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Posted - 2016.09.10 00:41:17 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:As far as I know CCP have never separated out active subscriptions from PLEX and active subscriptions from cash in thing like this, and I don't imagine they are starting now. I'm certain people subscribing with PLEX will receive the same rewards.
This. With all the times that CCP has used the term "subscription" it's never been reference to how you pay, either plex or cash. So yea. You overreacted. |
Darth Terona
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
285
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Posted - 2016.09.10 00:45:42 -
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I see a plex economics understanding fail in some of the peeps here.
Ill say it one last time.
people who subscribe and people who plex their account both generate income for ccp.
if no one plexed their account, then the plex would be worthless (isk value) in game, and no one would buy the damn things to sell on market.
therefore, both parties are generating revenue for ccp. both parties should, and seem to, be getting the rewards for their company loyalty.
the reward for those who buy plex to sell, is instant cash in eve without having to grind for it.
sure, I get to play the game without paying for it, but my actions drive a demand for a product only obtainable with real money.
But I digress. the whole point of this topic, is to ask ccp to be more clear on what subscription methods qualify for the rewards to be given out on the November update. |
ACESsiggy
Pandemic Horde Inc.
60
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Posted - 2016.09.10 01:05:12 -
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Darth Terona wrote:Clever, because I don't grind.
however my my plexing generates the same revenue for the company as a subscriber
LOL
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
45052
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Posted - 2016.09.10 01:11:38 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:I keep seeing people refer to getting an Email from CCP. What Email and why didn't I get one ? EDIT : I just checked my account stats. Quote:Account Type Active - Paying with Credit Card
Current Subscription 12 Month EVE subscription - Cancelled
Account Expires 12 November 2016 - 7:36 pm UTC (in 63 days) I actually plan on buying another 1 yr sub at the start of November. So now I'm wondering if I'll get the rewards as well. DMC As long as you renew before your account switches to inactive, you'll be fine.
CCP haven't suddenly changed how they do these things. There's just some weird form of groupthink happening.
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Darth Terona
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
285
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Posted - 2016.09.10 01:37:00 -
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ACESsiggy wrote:Darth Terona wrote:Clever, because I don't grind.
however my my plexing generates the same revenue for the company as a subscriber LOL
try harder |
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