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Isaac Armer
The Soup Kitchen
309
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Posted - 2016.09.10 01:51:33 -
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Darth Terona wrote:I see a plex economics understanding fail in some of the peeps here.
Ill say it one last time.
people who subscribe and people who plex their account both generate income for ccp.
if no one plexed their account, then the plex would be worthless (isk value) in game, and no one would buy the damn things to sell on market.
therefore, both parties are generating revenue for ccp. both parties should, and seem to, be getting the rewards for their company loyalty.
the reward for those who buy plex to sell, is instant cash in eve without having to grind for it.
sure, I get to play the game without paying for it, but my actions drive a demand for a product only obtainable with real money.
But I digress. the whole point of this topic, is to ask ccp to be more clear on what subscription methods qualify for the rewards to be given out on the November update.
Good lord your ego.
Give us specifics and we'll stop laughing at you, kid.
Better yet, keep it going, you're hilarious to read. |
The Golden Serpent
The Abrahadabra Institute
173
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Posted - 2016.09.10 02:15:17 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:I keep seeing people refer to getting an Email from CCP. What Email and why didn't I get one ? EDIT : I just checked my account stats. Quote:Account Type Active - Paying with Credit Card
Current Subscription 12 Month EVE subscription - Cancelled
Account Expires 12 November 2016 - 7:36 pm UTC (in 63 days) I actually plan on buying another 1 yr sub at the start of November. So now I'm wondering if I'll get the rewards as well. DMC
I monitor three accounts and the one that is expiring in 3 days is the only one that is getting the email. That may be a coincidence because of my settings but I have noticed in the past if I let my account slip too close to the renewal deadline I start getting notices.
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Eternus8lux8lucis
Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
978
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Posted - 2016.09.10 03:50:35 -
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Henry Plantgenet wrote:Should the accounting matching principle make the income of plex be counted when the plex is actually used/destroyed? Generally yes this is the case. It can be counted at anytime up to then as well if the company chooses too. Its basically a deferred income. Which is why I salute CCP on PLEX as all the PLEX that is horded when the servers finally crash will never have to be technically officially declared and can be wiped off the books, I know Iceland has some different rules though, and even if they wish to declare it they can against severance packages and other shut down expenses and likely not have to pay any income tax on it. Even though you normally would at some point.
@Lucas Kell... I hope youre right/Im wrong too. I just wont get my hopes up at this time. Mostly because the deal is listed specifically on the PAID sub page.
Have you heard anything I've said?
You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?
That's right.
Had to end sometime.
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Serene Repose
2957
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Posted - 2016.09.10 04:59:57 -
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Darth Terona wrote: Ill say it one last time. Won't wonders never cease?Darth Terona wrote:people who subscribe and people who plex their account both generate income for ccp. Yeah, it came out the same as the other times you said it. Way to go!Darth Terona wrote:if no one plexed their account, then the plex would be worthless (isk value) in game, and no one would buy the damn things to sell on market. Where I come from we have a saying, "P!ss in one hand, wish in the other and see which fills up first." I'll modify that and say, "Pay real money in one hand, put an imaginary digital value of whatever name in the other, see which the bank accepts as a deposit." Now, you have to say the bank will take YOUR PLEX just as fast as it will take my DOLLAR and I want to see a video of it on YouTube when you go to your bank and prove this once and for all! Darth Terona wrote:therefore, both parties are generating revenue for ccp... That being said the absurdity of this obviates itself. Let me know if I'm going too fast for you. I'll try to type more s l o w l y.
We must accommodate the idiocracy.
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Josef Djugashvilis
3455
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Posted - 2016.09.10 06:49:56 -
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I am clever enough not to have to work at all and can still pay my annual sub.
Or maybe it is because I am 'old' and retired?
I get confused so easily at my age...
This is not a signature.
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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
952
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Posted - 2016.09.10 07:15:07 -
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Isaac Armer wrote:Darth Terona wrote:...Ill say it one last time.
people who subscribe and people who plex their account both generate income for ccp. ... Give us specifics and we'll stop laughing at you, kid. Better yet, keep it going, you're hilarious to read. And yet, he isn't wrong.
In terms of specifics since it seems beyond your level of reasoning to be able to work it out yourself:
Player A: subscribed + buys PLEX Player B: grinds time and buys PLEX from player A for ISK
CCP income (based on month-by-month subscription and 1 PLEX putchase):
Player A Subscription: $14.95 Player A PLEX purchase: $19.95
Total income: $34.90
alternative:
Player A: subscribed Player B: subscribed
CCP income (using month-by-month subscription for both players):
Player A Subscription: $14.95 Player B Subscription: $14.95
Total income: $29.90
Both forms of play represent revenue to CCP.
Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
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sero Hita
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
236
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Posted - 2016.09.10 07:42:40 -
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Shae Tadaruwa wrote:Isaac Armer wrote:Darth Terona wrote:...Ill say it one last time.
people who subscribe and people who plex their account both generate income for ccp. ... Give us specifics and we'll stop laughing at you, kid. Better yet, keep it going, you're hilarious to read. And yet, he isn't wrong. In terms of specifics since it seems beyond your level of reasoning to be able to work it out yourself: Player A: subscribed + buys PLEX Player B: grinds time and buys PLEX from player A for ISK CCP income (based on month-by-month subscription and 1 PLEX putchase): Player A Subscription: $14.95 Player A PLEX purchase: $19.95 Total income: $34.90 alternative: Player A: subscribed Player B: subscribed CCP income (using month-by-month subscription for both players): Player A Subscription: $14.95 Player B Subscription: $14.95 Total income: $29.90 Both forms of play represent revenue to CCP.
Everyone understands that. But that is not what we are discussing. We are discussing if it is okay for CCP to only reward subscribers for loyalty (If that indeed is the case). So everyone needs to understand the assumption for these discussions are that PLEXers don't get the extra stuff (Which we do not know is true). As long as we don't know if this base assumption is true or not, we are gonna have this mishmash of a discussion all over the place, with some discussing revenue and others dscussing who CCP should reward. These two topics are not directly compatible, leading to this trainwreck of a discussion.
I will continue the discussion about if CCP has to also reward the person using the PLEX, as that is what this thread is about.
in your example: Player A: subscribed + buys PLEX Player B: grinds time and buys PLEX from player A for ISK CCP income (based on month-by-month subscription and 1 PLEX putchase):
Player A Subscription: $14.95 Player A PLEX purchase: $19.95
If we assume PLEXers don't get the reward, and we assume that we now with this thread have convinced CCP to change this. I would say give both rewards to Player A, as he gives up the money (And I assume that is the behaviour CCP wants to reward).
Darth Terona says, give the reward to both as they both create revenue (they do, but they don't both loose RL money). Darth terona would then get he reward for the money player A payed ~twice, but Player A only get one reward for his money.
So this is basically where the discussion is at. Do you want to reward giving up the money, do you want to reward the abstract concept of revenue?
Which is a bit a silly topic to discuss tbh. as we still don't know if Darth Terona is right in that PLEXers are not included. So this is all purely theoretical, and could be based on a misreading of an ambiguously written text.
"I'm all for pvp, don't get me wrong. I've ganked in Empire, blobed in low sec. Got T-shirts from every which-where.. But to be forced into a pvp confrontation that I didn't want is wrong ccp." RealFlisker
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Soel Reit
Dambusters 617 Sq
238
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Posted - 2016.09.10 07:48:16 -
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Shae Tadaruwa wrote:bla bla bla...
Player A Subscription: $14.95 Player A PLEX purchase: $19.95
Total income: $34.90
alternative:
Player A: subscribed Player B: subscribed
CCP income (using month-by-month subscription for both players):
Player A Subscription: $14.95 Player B Subscription: $14.95
Total income: $29.90
Both forms of play represent revenue to CCP.
player B is random and casual. some months he can pay, others he can't cuz no time to grind. your target is player A in any case: plexs are there to tax player A more!
player B doesn't count. player B doesn't matter. Player B is trash.
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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
952
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Posted - 2016.09.10 07:56:18 -
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sero Hita wrote:Everyone understands that. But that is not what we are discussing. Clearly Isaac Armer didn't.
He made his comments specifically in reply to a post from the OP about all players bringing value.
I addressed his reply.
On the broader context, CCP have always included people with active accounts, whether PLEXed or paying by credit card, in previous promotions.
I don't see anything different here, no matter whether I agree with it or not.
However, don't take my reply as anything more than in context with the reply it was for.
Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
953
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Posted - 2016.09.10 07:57:33 -
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Soel Reit wrote:player B doesn't count. player B doesn't matter. Player B is trash. So you're saying you PLEX then. Ok. Got it.
Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
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Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
1209
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Posted - 2016.09.10 08:23:03 -
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Thanks for quoting, Ralph.
Quite some drama .
OP, just write a well formulated petition and ask CCP whether you are included or not. If not, you may ask them for their reasoning, though they may not be inclined to answer to that. and who knows, maybe we even get a clearer statement from CCP.
Remove insurance.
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Lucy Lollipops
State War Academy Caldari State
111
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Posted - 2016.09.10 08:28:50 -
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Logic says that if you paid with real money or if you use plexes it's exactly the same.
Because basically something else paid the plex with real money.
But maybe it's worth asking a Dev to clarify it if so many have doubst. |
Rya
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2016.09.10 09:40:17 -
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If not it would be pretty messed up. I extended my account for another year about 2 months ago, but i canceled the subscription so it wouldn't accidently add another year without me knowing. Which means that i don't have an active subscripiton, even though my account has payed gametime for almost a year.
And i shouldn't receive rewards for that? :/ |
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
961
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Posted - 2016.09.10 09:48:41 -
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Rya wrote:Which means that i don't have an active subscripiton, even though my account has payed gametime for almost a year.
And i shouldn't receive rewards for that? :/ What does your account management page say?
So to test this and see what the facts are, I just went and cancelled subscription on one of my accounts that I only activate intermittently because it's only cyno alts. It still identifies the subscription:
https://puu.sh/r6dqA/23908fdeed.png
I bet yours says something like:
1 Year EVE Subscription - cancelled
and your account is clearly still active.
As long as you don't let you account expire and go inactive, you'll be fine.
Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
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Paranoid Loyd
9558
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Posted - 2016.09.10 19:38:38 -
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Almost missed these tears
I got you a gift
"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix
Fix the Prospect!
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CCP Falcon
13127
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Posted - 2016.09.10 20:02:39 -
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Darth Terona wrote:Plexing does not count twords being subscribed?
I'm going to be cut out of the rewards because I'm clever enuff to not have to pay for my account?
I mean. Ccp got their money either way. So I don't think it's right to not include us who plex.
PLEXing does count toward being subscribed.
When you activate a PLEX, you activate a subscription, and are actively playing the game.
Hence, you are active, and actively subscribed.
You'll get the rewards if you have an active subscription, regardless of how you pay for it.
CCP Falcon || EVE Universe Community Manager || @CCP_Falcon
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Darth Terona
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
285
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Posted - 2016.09.10 20:25:07 -
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Thanks |
Isaac Armer
The Soup Kitchen
310
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Posted - 2016.09.10 20:33:12 -
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Shae Tadaruwa wrote:And yet, he isn't wrong.
In terms of specifics since it seems beyond your level of reasoning to be able to work it out yourself:
Player A: subscribed + buys PLEX Player B: grinds time and buys PLEX from player A for ISK
CCP income (based on month-by-month subscription and 1 PLEX putchase):
Player A Subscription: $14.95 Player A PLEX purchase: $19.95
Total income: $34.90
alternative:
Player A: subscribed Player B: subscribed
CCP income (using month-by-month subscription for both players):
Player A Subscription: $14.95 Player B Subscription: $14.95
Total income: $29.90
Both forms of play represent revenue to CCP.
I'm not sure my point could have gone farther over your head.
Measuring the cost to play this game in terms of dollars is ridiculous. Time is our most valuable resource. How much time does it take someone in game to earn enough ISK to buy a plex? Get a part time job slinging fast food and you'll pay for one months subscription faster than earning it in game. People who plex in game are clueless as to the time value of money. Give me a single saturday and I will earn enough to pay for my subscriptions for the next six months. How many people can do that in game?
That was literally the point. The fact the OP (and you apparently) can't seem to comprehend that says something.
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Darth Terona
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
285
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Posted - 2016.09.10 22:11:06 -
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assuming I grind for my plex.
and your point has no ties to my original question. |
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
977
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Posted - 2016.09.10 22:32:40 -
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Isaac Armer wrote:I'm not sure my point could have gone farther over your head.
Measuring the cost to play this game in terms of dollars is ridiculous. Time is our most valuable resource. How much time does it take someone in game to earn enough ISK to buy a plex? Get a part time job slinging fast food and you'll pay for one months subscription faster than earning it in game. People who plex in game are clueless as to the time value of money. Give me a single saturday and I will earn enough to pay for my subscriptions for the next six months. How many people can do that in game?
That was literally the point. The fact the OP (and you apparently) can't seem to comprehend that says something.
I think you might have missed the OPs point all together and I didn't measure cost in terms of dollars.
The OP made a point about revenue for CCP and you asked for specifics.
The philosophy around the best way to pay for the game is a totally different and all together off topic issue to this thread, which is about the rewards for November.
Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
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Isaac Armer
The Soup Kitchen
310
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Posted - 2016.09.10 23:39:45 -
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Shae Tadaruwa wrote:I think you might have missed the OPs point all together and I didn't measure cost in terms of dollars.
The OP made a point about revenue for CCP and you asked for specifics.
The philosophy around the best way to pay for the game is a totally different and all together off topic issue to this thread, which is about the rewards for November.
No, I got his point. If he had left out the passive aggressive ego stroking about not paying for the game I wouldn't have responded to this thread at all.
I responded to that part of his point. About you know, how ridiculous it was. |
Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
15651
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Posted - 2016.09.10 23:55:17 -
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Everyone's wiser? Ok.
/thread
Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him.
GëíGïüGëí GÖÑ
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DeODokktor
Dark Templars The Fonz Presidium
77
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Posted - 2016.09.11 20:44:05 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Darth Terona wrote:Plexing does not count twords being subscribed?
I'm going to be cut out of the rewards because I'm clever enuff to not have to pay for my account?
I mean. Ccp got their money either way. So I don't think it's right to not include us who plex. PLEXing does count toward being subscribed. When you activate a PLEX, you activate a subscription, and are actively playing the game. Hence, you are active, and actively subscribed. You'll get the rewards if you have an active subscription, regardless of how you pay for it.
Thanks for that. Now the bigger question. Buy two manipulated plexes and get rewards worth (x), or wait 2 months and just buy the reward stuff from market as people offload it :P... |
Darth Terona
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
287
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Posted - 2016.09.11 21:21:25 -
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Isk value, just buy the awards later. They will be dirt cheap. Ccp don't give away stuff for free that's worth a lot of isk.
Certain it won't be 2bil worth anyway |
Chopper Rollins
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1561
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Posted - 2016.09.11 21:57:18 -
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Darth Terona wrote:...
I'm going to be cut out of the rewards because I'm clever enuff to not have to pay for my account?
....
Clever, entitled, yep.
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
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Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
15706
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Posted - 2016.09.12 06:34:10 -
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I will be keeping mine rewards. Especially the black suits and ships. I think Gnosis will not lose as much value because Alphas will want to pilot it. They may be not worth 2B, but I am subscribed anyway.
Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him.
GëíGïüGëí GÖÑ
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Ezin
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
12
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Posted - 2016.09.12 13:36:51 -
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is it just me or is op a ******* ****? |
Josef Djugashvilis
3461
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Posted - 2016.09.12 13:40:47 -
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Ezin wrote:is it just me or is op a ******* ****?
Even by the low standards of GD this is a thread about absolutely nothing...
This is not a signature.
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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
7855
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Posted - 2016.09.12 14:55:39 -
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Isaac Armer wrote:Measuring the cost to play this game in terms of dollars is ridiculous. Time is our most valuable resource. How much time does it take someone in game to earn enough ISK to buy a plex? Get a part time job slinging fast food and you'll pay for one months subscription faster than earning it in game. People who plex in game are clueless as to the time value of money. Give me a single saturday and I will earn enough to pay for my subscriptions for the next six months. How many people can do that in game? This is all well and good if you have access to an unlimited supply of working hours. If you can play the game and enjoy it in your spare time and also earn enough ISK to plex your account, why would you choose to pay money that you can spend on something else to pay for gametime that you can accrue in your normal playtime?
Also my record day was over 40b in profit . Pays for a lot of gametime.
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Isaac Armer
The Soup Kitchen
313
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Posted - 2016.09.12 15:13:32 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:This is all well and good if you have access to an unlimited supply of working hours. If you can play the game and enjoy it in your spare time and also earn enough ISK to plex your account, why would you choose to pay money that you can spend on something else to pay for gametime that you can accrue in your normal playtime? Also my record day was over 40b in profit . Pays for a lot of gametime.
99% of people who earn that kind of profit in a day treat this like a job, not a game. Any traders are simply wasting time.
I do my trading on the market IRL. If I'm going to work a job, I want to make real money for it, not ISK. |
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