Pages: [1] 2 :: one page |
|
Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 0 post(s) |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2117
|
Posted - 2016.09.10 21:49:01 -
[1] - Quote
Specifically, Ashlar Vellum, who has apparently never heard of Khadrea's Law, nor the intentions behind it. A Starkmanir pilot less than 18 hrs after graduation makes a pilgrimage to Starkman Prime and while she is in orbit in her Reaper, he decides to add one more corpse to the site of ancient genocide.
She was raised in the Mandate, as a faithful follower of your God. She didn't have any idea what was going on when she asked you why you were shooting at her. 'You look like a spy' is a pretty flimsy excuse for destroying a pod in a place where 'no more harm' is to be done.
Is this what you're teaching your people now, Aldrith? To kill the faithful in places where violence is explicitly prohibited? I'd thought better of you. I'd like to keep thinking better of you. I imagine the others who were party to the conversation in The Summit would, as well.
Your pilot owes his victim an apology, if not outright weregild. |
Ashlar Vellum
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
300
|
Posted - 2016.09.10 22:48:53 -
[2] - Quote
Why any of it concerns a goon? |
Kolodi Ramal
Sanxing
171
|
Posted - 2016.09.10 23:11:43 -
[3] - Quote
Ashlar Vellum wrote:Why any of it concerns a goon? That's all you have to say? I add my concern as a Matari who is not a Goon. |
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
1335
|
Posted - 2016.09.10 23:16:20 -
[4] - Quote
An Amarr killing what basically is an Amarr..... So anyways.
By his light? I think that's how the Amarr cordially end a post/transmission... |
Yarosara Ruil
595
|
Posted - 2016.09.10 23:16:25 -
[5] - Quote
Ashlar Vellum wrote:Why any of it concerns a goon?
If that's all you have to say in your defense, it actually makes the "Goon" look like a concerned and decent human being.
Since you are part of the paragons of the Amarr Empire, that really puts things in perspetive! |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2124
|
Posted - 2016.09.10 23:23:54 -
[6] - Quote
Ashlar Vellum wrote:Why any of it concerns a goon?
Because the Goon was one of the people talking to her when you attacked her, and even we would consider that a pretty pathetic move. |
Ascentior
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
241
|
Posted - 2016.09.10 23:26:11 -
[7] - Quote
You will find no answers here. There are many listed ways to contact PIE if one has a genuine concern. None of which direct you here. Certainly, none of which direct one to contact their nearest argumentative mouthpiece to whine openly in public.
This is under investigation and the pilot concerned has been contacted. They are the only pilot deserving of answers.
Admiral of PIE Inc.,
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris (See 'PIE Public' for recruitment)
Honorary Fabricator-General of the Imperial Navy
Chosen by God to serve the Empire.
|
Ashlar Vellum
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
300
|
Posted - 2016.09.10 23:45:09 -
[8] - Quote
Kolodi Ramal wrote:Ashlar Vellum wrote:Why any of it concerns a goon? That's all you have to say? I add my concern as a Matari who is not a Goon. First of all if someone wants an apology, then that someone should post about it personally. Second, edict states that no further harm shall directly befall this shattered world. Are you really implying any of this happened on that world? Third, someone should learn how to dock or use a cloak when they are in the warzone and there is a siege in a nearby system or at least get away from 14 AU station undock, unless they want to look like a spy.
I do have to ask why are you concerned now Mr Ramal, weren't you the one who didn't want to give aid to victims of Nauplius. What have changed all of a sudden that you are concerned over a capsuleer?
|
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2126
|
Posted - 2016.09.10 23:48:09 -
[9] - Quote
I'm afraid you quite mistake my intentions, Admiral. I'm not looking for answers about why this particular pilot perpetrated this particular crime. I know why: because he's a bloodthirsty piece of offal who'd kill any target of opportunity who couldn't fight back.
PIE has violated Khadrea's Law for fun, and killed a Starkmanir, of all people, to do it. That's a matter for every Matari pilot to be aware of. That's a matter for every Amarr pilot to be aware of. This is the face PIE is presenting to the cluster, until and unless there is a public accounting. |
Ascentior
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
241
|
Posted - 2016.09.11 01:10:09 -
[10] - Quote
Arrendis wrote:I'm afraid you quite mistake my intentions, Admiral. I'm not looking for answers...
It would be more accurate to admit you have misrepresented your intentions.
Arrendis wrote: Is this what you're teaching your people now, Aldrith? To kill the faithful in places where violence is explicitly prohibited?
Admiral of PIE Inc.,
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris (See 'PIE Public' for recruitment)
Honorary Fabricator-General of the Imperial Navy
Chosen by God to serve the Empire.
|
|
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
2818
|
Posted - 2016.09.11 01:29:54 -
[11] - Quote
Ascentior wrote:Arrendis wrote:I'm afraid you quite mistake my intentions, Admiral. I'm not looking for answers... It would be more accurate to admit you have misrepresented your intentions. Arrendis wrote: Is this what you're teaching your people now, Aldrith? To kill the faithful in places where violence is explicitly prohibited?
I think we all can see now Arrendis intentions already, and I think it would be better to just cease stroking her ego and don't feed her.
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
|
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2131
|
Posted - 2016.09.11 01:31:28 -
[12] - Quote
Ascentior wrote:It would be more accurate to admit you have misrepresented your intentions.
I would hope a well-educated Amarr can recognize a rhetorical question. |
Samira Kernher
2772
|
Posted - 2016.09.11 01:42:16 -
[13] - Quote
Arrendis wrote:To kill the faithful in places where violence is explicitly prohibited?
Far orbit of the planet is outside the boundaries of Khadrea's Law. It is not prohibited. If she wanted to be protected by it, then she should have gone down on the surface. There is a station in the system from which she could have docked and taken a shuttle.
Secondly, low sec systems, and especially warzone systems, are not safe. PIE is a militia corporation and neutral pilots in warzones are treated as threats. Warzones are battlegrounds, and one must go into them with the expectation of falling under fire. If this pilot was not prepared for that, then they should have not left high security space.
You're attempting to create an issue where there isn't one. I'm disappointed, Arrendis. |
Desiderya
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
1131
|
Posted - 2016.09.11 01:54:36 -
[14] - Quote
So, the obvious **** stirring aside, remind me: What exactly was the damage done?
Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.
|
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
2819
|
Posted - 2016.09.11 01:57:53 -
[15] - Quote
Desiderya wrote:So, the obvious **** stirring aside, remind me: What exactly was the damage done? A certain event made Arrendis to create a post. Will it count as the damage done?
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
|
Desiderya
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
1131
|
Posted - 2016.09.11 02:02:01 -
[16] - Quote
I wasn't aware that SRPing emotional traumas is a thing now.
Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.
|
Kolodi Ramal
Sanxing
173
|
Posted - 2016.09.11 02:33:53 -
[17] - Quote
Ashlar Vellum wrote:I do have to ask why are you concerned now Mr Ramal, weren't you the one who didn't want to give aid to victims of Nauplius. What have changed all of a sudden that you are concerned over a capsuleer?
I wanted to, but I didn't want Sanxing to give aid under the circumstances. This seemed like something that deserved a better answer from you and PIE. |
Lord Kailethre
Oruze Cruise White Stag Exit Bag
374
|
Posted - 2016.09.11 05:29:05 -
[18] - Quote
Desiderya wrote:So, the obvious **** stirring aside, remind me: What exactly was the damage done?
A rookie vessel and its crew of 1 capsuleer died. Said capsuleer probably had a bit of a headache. What a tragedy. |
Neph
Crimson Serpent Syndicate Heiian Conglomerate
506
|
Posted - 2016.09.11 06:04:58 -
[19] - Quote
Lord Kailethre wrote:Desiderya wrote:So, the obvious **** stirring aside, remind me: What exactly was the damage done? A rookie vessel and its crew of 1 capsuleer died. Said capsuleer probably had a bit of a headache. What a tragedy.
A lesson well learned. Don't they say that new eggers that get killed within their first free weeks tend to stay in space much longer, instead of retiring their quick fortune?
~ Gariushi YC110 // Midular YC115 // Yanala YC115 ~
GÇ£Sitasutone nabeliwatsa-shogi; Otre Jaitovalte hessami-ettogi useuus sufat. Eika, hakkit garuketsi.GÇ¥
-Yakiya Tovil-Toba-taisoka
|
Ria Nieyli
46048
|
Posted - 2016.09.11 06:35:33 -
[20] - Quote
Neph wrote:A lesson well learned. Don't they say that new eggers that get killed within their first free weeks tend to stay in space much longer, instead of retiring their quick fortune?
If you ignore the massive amount that retire regardless of circumstance, then yes. I suppose being compatible with the pod interface doesn't mean you can actually stomach being a capsuleer.
"slang" is shortened language for "shortened language"
|
|
Lord Kailethre
Oruze Cruise White Stag Exit Bag
376
|
Posted - 2016.09.11 06:52:37 -
[21] - Quote
Ria Nieyli wrote:Neph wrote:A lesson well learned. Don't they say that new eggers that get killed within their first free weeks tend to stay in space much longer, instead of retiring their quick fortune? If you ignore the massive amount that retire regardless of circumstance, then yes. I suppose being compatible with the pod interface doesn't mean you can actually stomach being a capsuleer.
Your first inspace pod death is usually the absolute worst, I know mine was. You wake up somewhere, disoriented, afraid, cold. Its traumatic. But it will happen guaranteed, probably happen some more.
But if you stick around long enough you get used to it. It is, after all, in a capsuleers nature to die. As a result this entire topic is an overblown mess of engineered controversy made to further victimise Mimmatar pilots and demonise the Amarr. There is no need for this. Can't we all get along? |
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour Sani-Sabik
1593
|
Posted - 2016.09.11 06:59:23 -
[22] - Quote
Lord Kailethre wrote:Can't we all get along?
Yes.
All that people need to do, is embrace the One True Faith.
Then everyone will get along just fine.
Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
|
Nick Bete
The Scope Gallente Federation
483
|
Posted - 2016.09.11 07:22:56 -
[23] - Quote
An honorless slaver who thinks killing a nearly defenseless day old pilots is a-ok, hunky dory. Who'd have thunk it?! |
Charles Cambridge Schmidt
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
219
|
Posted - 2016.09.11 08:23:14 -
[24] - Quote
Man, I love engineered controversy. It's really a great thing when someone takes events that have plenty of nuance and other fine details and to simplify it specifically to further a strange and mysterious (read: missing) agenda. That being said, my first actions as a pilot definitely didn't involve flying into lowsec, or even a warzone. They involved mining... and sarcasm, and embarrassing myself on fluid routers in front of a lot of people.
You can already see, now that I re-read the thread, the beginnings of completely off-topic bickering between the factions so politely laid out to fight by our gracious OP (I need lessons, honestly) and people are already at each others' throats. So quick to anger! So quick to fight! It really is something, isn't it?
I don't care what you think, as long as it's about me.
|
Ascentior
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
247
|
Posted - 2016.09.11 08:32:19 -
[25] - Quote
Decorum and bickering aside. The accusations laid out here are treated with great severity by PIE. We expect all of our pilots to behave in a manor befitting the service of those who came before us, and greater so the honour of serving the people of Amarr. To write off such accusations would be as grave as committing them all over again. However, as with most things of such import, they are best dealt directly with the parties involved, and not the agendas of those who would seek to damage (or bolster) the reputation of any of such parties.
It is saddening and not at all surprising to see the conversation turn as it has.
Admiral of PIE Inc.,
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris (See 'PIE Public' for recruitment)
Honorary Fabricator-General of the Imperial Navy
Chosen by God to serve the Empire.
|
Charles Cambridge Schmidt
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
219
|
Posted - 2016.09.11 08:38:21 -
[26] - Quote
It's not to say the pilot under your banner hasn't done wrong. I'm glad that the higher ups (highest up?) at PIE recognizes this, as well, in addition to the other circumstances revolving this open-and-shut issue. It's nice to hear, at least.
Shame about the thread, though. It's likely going to get much, much worse in the coming days. That is the trend, lately!
I don't care what you think, as long as it's about me.
|
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
2824
|
Posted - 2016.09.11 12:00:55 -
[27] - Quote
Lord Kailethre wrote:Ria Nieyli wrote:Neph wrote:A lesson well learned. Don't they say that new eggers that get killed within their first free weeks tend to stay in space much longer, instead of retiring their quick fortune? If you ignore the massive amount that retire regardless of circumstance, then yes. I suppose being compatible with the pod interface doesn't mean you can actually stomach being a capsuleer. Your first inspace pod death is usually the absolute worst, I know mine was. You wake up somewhere, disoriented, afraid, cold. Its traumatic. But it will happen guaranteed, probably happen some more. But if you stick around long enough you get used to it. It is, after all, in a capsuleers nature to die. As a result this entire topic is an overblown mess of engineered controversy made to further victimise Mimmatar pilots and demonise the Amarr. There is no need for this. Can't we all get along? You forgot Aura greeting you with: "Ahahaha, so you have died." Luckily, she doesn't say it anymore.
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
|
Seraphea Vellastraan
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
0
|
Posted - 2016.09.11 18:22:00 -
[28] - Quote
I was the pilot in question, and I only became aware of this just a short time ago. This is not what I want, to be a symbol again, to be paraded about. This is what I wanted to get away from. I neither killed Lord Ardishapur, nor was I on Starkman Prime when it was destroyed. Maybe I share some connection with those events, but I don't really know. I was actually in prayer and meditation trying to come to grips with it all when my ship was destroyed. Which is why I wasn't paying attention to the space around me. I was aware of the risks of going into low security space. My instructors were quite clear on that. Please do not use me to further any agenda. I am sure Ms. Arrendis meant well. In the short time that I spent talking to her, I have found her to be a very nice person. However, I cannot endorse her original message. I ask everyone, please, not to have any outrage on my behalf. The ship I was flying was a Reaper. I am given to understand they are so inexpensive that I will be given an supply of them, nearly unlimited should I need them. There was no crew aboard the ship, thank God. As for me, the cloning was successful. I am obviously here to make this statement. It is quite possible that the Imperial pilot that saw me thought that I was threatening. If that is the case, I will make my apologies and do everything possible to avoid such a threatening behaviour in the future. To the Honorable Fabricator-General of the Imperial Navy, (Lord?) Admiral Ascentior, I offer my most sincere apologies that this happened. Ms. Arrendis's original message was not made upon my behalf. She and some other pilots were aware of the event because I was speaking to them over coms when it happened. I hope this has not created an incident.
|
Hakari Yazria
Imperial Outlaws Local Is Primary
0
|
Posted - 2016.09.11 18:41:02 -
[29] - Quote
End of the day Arzad is a highly contested warzone, Any pilot that is not freindly is smartly and rightly considered Hostile, I am sure if the Pilot had contacted PIE, or hell even myself we would of made sure she was safe, as she didnt If he hadnt removed her from the system I would of. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
2827
|
Posted - 2016.09.11 19:19:23 -
[30] - Quote
Seraphea Vellastraan wrote:I was the pilot in question, and I only became aware of this just a short time ago. This is not what I want, to be a symbol again, to be paraded about. This is what I wanted to get away from. I neither killed Lord Ardishapur, nor was I on Starkman Prime when it was destroyed. Maybe I share some connection with those events, but I don't really know. I was actually in prayer and meditation trying to come to grips with it all when my ship was destroyed. Which is why I wasn't paying attention to the space around me. I was aware of the risks of going into low security space. My instructors were quite clear on that. Please do not use me to further any agenda. I am sure Ms. Arrendis meant well. In the short time that I spent talking to her, I have found her to be a very nice person. However, I cannot endorse her original message. I ask everyone, please, not to have any outrage on my behalf. The ship I was flying was a Reaper. I am given to understand they are so inexpensive that I will be given an supply of them, nearly unlimited should I need them. There was no crew aboard the ship, thank God. As for me, the cloning was successful. I am obviously here to make this statement. It is quite possible that the Imperial pilot that saw me thought that I was threatening. If that is the case, I will make my apologies and do everything possible to avoid such a threatening behaviour in the future. To the Honorable Fabricator-General of the Imperial Navy, (Lord?) Admiral Ascentior, I offer my most sincere apologies that this happened. Ms. Arrendis's original message was not made upon my behalf. She and some other pilots were aware of the event because I was speaking to them over coms when it happened. I hope this has not created an incident.
I am sorry about your loss, ma'am. Although I strongly disagree with your estimation of Pilot Arrendis, I have known her for longer term, unfortunately.
I see you are a spiritual person, I would recommend you to use your CONCORD assigned quarters to meditate. Hydrostatic capsules are combat ships and losing control over them in any part of space, even assumingly safe, can lead to undesirable consequences.
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
|
|
|
|
|
Pages: [1] 2 :: one page |
First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |