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Old Pervert
Perkone Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2016.09.16 21:12:37 -
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Erich Einstein wrote: LOL!! You make it sound so hard for tacklers. You are obviously a tackler. Most frigates to frigate lock times are much faster than align + warp, especially if you are in a tech II, tech III tackle frigate.
It doesn't really matter though. The balance needs to be in the modules and most of what you say is mute to the issue.
By the way, Low / Null Sec salvagers dont usually form fleets.
You completely ignored his points and manufactured one of your own. If you aren't paying attention, that's on you. Watch local. Watch D-Scan. You'll see them coming, and be gone before they even get out of warp.
A good example of pvp is to watch a documentary on a cheetah. It sneaks up close, then springs out and rapidly tackles prey. If they see it, they run away too early and it cannot catch up unless one of the gazelle really messes up (looking at you, 1600mm baby gazelle).
Tools already exist for you to avoid fights. Being able to moonwalk out of a fight because you want to watch netflix rather than pay attention would be intensely boring for anyone who actually plays Eve. |
Old Pervert
Perkone Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2016.09.16 21:43:41 -
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Rawmeat Mary wrote:Looking at the OP's killboard is... painful.
I dunno, I am enjoying the top damage for this one: https://zkillboard.com/kill/56032500/
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Khanid Voltar
Tribal Liberation Force
69
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Posted - 2016.09.25 00:05:07 -
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10/10 Troll. Would read again.
Eveboard
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Brokk Witgenstein
Extreme Agony
794
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Posted - 2016.09.25 03:50:58 -
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Erich Einstein wrote:so if I ran three stabs, my ship is now completely useless
CORRECT! Solution: don't fit three stabs.
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Erich Einstein
Swoop Salvage
3
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Posted - 2016.10.02 00:31:37 -
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You guys have made so many assumptions and ran down so many tangents that have nothing to do with the OP that I have no interest in even replying to most of them.
For everyone who looks at my zkillboard and assumes Im horrible at pvp, use a little common sense and figure out for yourself that people dont pvp with salvagers. This is obviously an isk making alt. And I do make a ton of it. In comparison, the ship losses are a dime a dozen to me.
As far as this being a troll post, that's laughable. Not everything in the game is pvp. If I wish to beef a ship up with stabilization, it should be effective at not getting disrupted by anything and everything when 1v1 against another ship in the same class. Of course it will severely sacrifice other abilities and even sacrifice the ability to do major damage, but that option should be there for those who do PL, Salvage, etc.
I don't know why so many people are against this. Most people fly in small gangs so the disrupt from two ships can still easily overpower the stabilization of one ship. Actually, I do understand why so many people are against this - for those of you who suck at life and pvp, you have decided to target defenseless t1 transports and salvaging peeps to make yourself feel better because a real pvp fight is to scary for you. All you suckage people are really doing is pushing people out of low sec and even the game. I dont mind flying into a gatecamp and getting torn to shreds, thats part of the game. If ten ships are out to get you, no amount of stabilization is going to help. I should however be able to counter any single modules disrupt if I choose to fit my ship that way.
Disrupt gets every tool in the shed. Warp disrupt +1, +2, +3, warp field generators, bubbles, maulus multiplier, etc. And the only thing to counter all of this is +1 stabilization that severely penalizes other ship abilities and targeting range.
I would love to see a new style of ship that gets bonuses to salvaging, cargo space, and stabilization.
Ninja Loot for life. #SwoopSalvage
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Erich Einstein
Swoop Salvage
3
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Posted - 2016.10.02 00:45:58 -
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Danika Princip wrote:OP, do you honestly believe anyone who actually PVPs fits stabs while doing so?
Aren't the scanres/lock range penalties enough to show you the things are not meant for combat ships?
So why do they need all of the +2 and +3 disrupts in one module... +2 should be the max (faction module) and no maulus bonuses. |
Christopher Mabata
Sentinel Incorporium
447
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Posted - 2016.10.02 03:52:19 -
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Erich Einstein wrote:Danika Princip wrote:OP, do you honestly believe anyone who actually PVPs fits stabs while doing so?
Aren't the scanres/lock range penalties enough to show you the things are not meant for combat ships? So why do they need all of the +2 and +3 disrupts in one module... +2 should be the max (faction module) and no maulus bonuses.
You know for ships with higer than +1 Base warp stability like capitals, DST's, and supercapitals. And then you have the non-pvp fit Stabbed ships which also need to be caught. Sure you COULD just bring a hictor, but there are situations where a hictor cant be used which must be accounted for as well.
GÖú Small Gang PVP, Large Fleet PVP, Black Ops, Incursions, Trade, and Industry GÖú 70% Lethal / 30% Super-Snuggly / 110% No idea what im doing GÖú
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Erich Einstein
Swoop Salvage
3
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Posted - 2016.10.02 04:00:24 -
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Christopher Mabata wrote:Erich Einstein wrote:Danika Princip wrote:OP, do you honestly believe anyone who actually PVPs fits stabs while doing so?
Aren't the scanres/lock range penalties enough to show you the things are not meant for combat ships? So why do they need all of the +2 and +3 disrupts in one module... +2 should be the max (faction module) and no maulus bonuses. You know for ships with higer than +1 Base warp stability like capitals, DST's, and supercapitals. And then you have the non-pvp fit Stabbed ships which also need to be caught. Sure you COULD just bring a hictor, but there are situations where a hictor cant be used which must be accounted for as well.
So you are saying a single frigate should be able to warp disrupt a capital.... Ok, your 1mil ship just stopped my multi-billion isk ship in its tracks. Later stupid ass game.... |
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4828
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Posted - 2016.10.02 07:07:41 -
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Erich Einstein wrote:Christopher Mabata wrote:Erich Einstein wrote:Danika Princip wrote:OP, do you honestly believe anyone who actually PVPs fits stabs while doing so?
Aren't the scanres/lock range penalties enough to show you the things are not meant for combat ships? So why do they need all of the +2 and +3 disrupts in one module... +2 should be the max (faction module) and no maulus bonuses. You know for ships with higer than +1 Base warp stability like capitals, DST's, and supercapitals. And then you have the non-pvp fit Stabbed ships which also need to be caught. Sure you COULD just bring a hictor, but there are situations where a hictor cant be used which must be accounted for as well. So you are saying a single frigate should be able to warp disrupt a capital.... Ok, your 1mil ship just stopped my multi-billion isk ship in its tracks. Later stupid ass game....
Yes. Because your capital should not be flying without support. |
Wachutu
Perkone Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2016.10.02 08:23:48 -
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bullshit... |
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
13018
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Posted - 2016.10.02 10:07:33 -
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Erich Einstein wrote: Most pvp players dont even use more than one stab because they are actively looking for a fight.
What utter ****. All PVP players (read: all real non-FW farming mindless drones) don't use any WCS
This topic and suggestion is as pathetic as your viewpoint - you want more WCS points? You fit more WCS
Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .
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elitatwo
Eve Minions O.U.Z.O. Alliance
1429
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Posted - 2016.10.02 11:32:02 -
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Ha! I found something much more disturbing. NPCs warping away from me mid fight. That is very unbalanced since their fate is decided the second I are there.
Now even NPCs bail from me
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Christopher Mabata
Sentinel Incorporium
453
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Posted - 2016.10.02 23:08:46 -
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Erich Einstein wrote:Christopher Mabata wrote:Erich Einstein wrote:Danika Princip wrote:OP, do you honestly believe anyone who actually PVPs fits stabs while doing so?
Aren't the scanres/lock range penalties enough to show you the things are not meant for combat ships? So why do they need all of the +2 and +3 disrupts in one module... +2 should be the max (faction module) and no maulus bonuses. You know for ships with higer than +1 Base warp stability like capitals, DST's, and supercapitals. And then you have the non-pvp fit Stabbed ships which also need to be caught. Sure you COULD just bring a hictor, but there are situations where a hictor cant be used which must be accounted for as well. So you are saying a single frigate should be able to warp disrupt a capital.... Ok, your 1mil ship just stopped my multi-billion isk ship in its tracks. Later stupid ass game....
A single frigate with a shiny several hundred million ISK fitting yes, and the strongest scrams can't even be fit by frigates and cost billions so yeah.
GÖú Small Gang PVP, Large Fleet PVP, Black Ops, Incursions, Trade, and Industry GÖú 70% Lethal / 30% Super-Snuggly / 110% No idea what im doing GÖú
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Brokk Witgenstein
Extreme Agony
832
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Posted - 2016.10.03 00:05:02 -
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Erich Einstein wrote: So you are saying a single frigate should be able to warp disrupt a capital.... Ok, your 1mil ship just stopped my multi-billion isk ship in its tracks. Later stupid ass game....
Would stop me for about 8 sec flat, yup. See that other thread we had where people complained their dictors got volleyed off the field by ZOMGSUPERFIGHTERS doing 7km/sec
To be fair, I was expecting a built-in +4 or something, but there's usually HICs and dictor bubbles aplenty so it doesn't really matter. |
Eriana Stenory
Frying Blacksmiths
0
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Posted - 2016.10.03 12:25:26 -
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BTW, if you are using WCS, in 99% case you are doing it wrong. Hopefully we have faction / deadspace scramble to get it easier, or ships like the maulus navy.
More than often (not to say almost everytime) +3 warp core strength is far enough not to be scrambled by most of people looking for targets. You want more, fit more, but you'll get less tank / dps / etc.
Anyway, -1 for that bad idea (especially because it'll be abused by FW plex farmers) |
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