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Aria Jenneth
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Posted - 2016.09.28 06:59:23 -
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Matar Ronin wrote:My deep heart felt thanks to the pilots and crews of the 927 Combat Roam.
Job well done!
Today we started on the road to mapping the connection patterns of the unidentified wormholes Drifters use to access all parts of the New Eden Cluster. When the first wormhole collapsed behind us we had no way to know where or even when the next opening would occur.
That is why Drake Ashigaru Alliance was/is willing to pay for all the ships put into harms way on our Combat Roams. Over the next few months we hope to map the locations and timing patterns of the unidentified wormholes, and the numbers and strength of the Drifter forces using them.
Again to the intrepid capsuleer pilots and their fearless crews who participated in the 927 Combat Roam, a good number of whom are still deep in Drifter Anoikis, well done!
To anyone else reading this, stay tuned.
So-- Drifter Hive wormholes appear specifically in systems where there are Jove observatories. I don't know if they ever open connections directly to other systems in Anoikis. I don't think ARC has observed a pattern to where they appear and when.
If you're trying to work the wormholes' patterns out to add to the general knowledge, good luck. As a method of transportation, though, they're maybe the most dangerous I know of. The Drifters take offense if they catch you near one. ARC has sometimes taken more severe losses on the wormholes than in the Hives. |
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
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Posted - 2016.10.06 21:13:19 -
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Deitra Vess wrote:Also soo true Utari, so true.
Red btw.
Conversational drift. It's not really unique to this place. The conversations here just come with titles, so you notice more.
On which note: iridescence. |
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
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Posted - 2016.10.06 21:22:38 -
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Utari Onzo wrote:Gold.
Hi Aria. I think we should talk some time.
Hi, Utari. I really hope you're right.
Uncut fire opal. |
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
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Posted - 2016.10.06 21:36:48 -
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Deitra Vess wrote:Is that some crimson red? Or more orange?
Fire opal is (often) clearish reddish orangeish with flashes of lots of other colors.
Burning heretics come in similar colors, but screamier.
(So, yes, you're doing this right, my lord. If there's a way of doing it wrong.)
Wet kindling. |
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
2412
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Posted - 2016.10.06 21:43:05 -
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Deitra Vess wrote:That makes sense.
Scorched metal.
Shadow puppets. |
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
2412
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Posted - 2016.10.06 21:48:43 -
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Arrendis wrote:Aldrith Shutaq wrote:Burning heretics.
Am I doing this right? Flaming Heretical Blue Oysters?
Mm. Clam bake! |
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
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Posted - 2016.10.06 22:11:53 -
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Aldrith Shutaq wrote:Lobster bisque with a brandy base.
Psh. Clam bake. How plebeian.
The usefulness of bugs large and small as a food source. |
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
2414
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Posted - 2016.10.06 22:12:41 -
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Deitra Vess wrote:Matari mud pies...
Is there really such a thing?
... they're not really made out of mud, though.
Right? |
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
2414
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Posted - 2016.10.06 22:43:20 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:Utilitarianism vs. epicureanism as a means of driving a consumption economy.
(am I doing this right? Sorry, but you all made me hungry, but then it got philosophical. Also, I need lunch. Someone, help.)
The epicureanism of Caldari utilitarianism, and vice versa. |
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
2414
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Posted - 2016.10.06 23:17:45 -
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Deitra Vess wrote:It's a type of chocolate pie with Cocoa powder and sometimes a gummy worm.
Caveat emptor.
Oh, good.
Um ... warranties. |
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Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
2414
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Posted - 2016.10.06 23:42:17 -
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Non sequiturs. |
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
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Posted - 2016.10.17 16:28:55 -
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The candle's burned down to a puddle, with the wick just barely keeping fed on little threads of wax that seem to be from some kind of candle for driving insects away.
Can we maybe just let this poor flame burn out already? |
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
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Posted - 2016.10.17 17:11:28 -
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Matar Ronin wrote:The puddle is from the melted persona of the tin soldier, burned away by the flame of truth.
You're not the first to go after her, Mr. Ronin. You won't be the last.
Please let's just let it die? |
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
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Posted - 2016.10.17 19:16:30 -
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Deitra Vess wrote:Before she... "Migrated" guess would be the right term, she was in Pyre, who DK spoke out against a few times, not to mention shot at while they were involved with Cal mil. That was before her time and I'm not going into specifics (honestly I don't care to and other "people" will feel compelled to defend it). She has been on that side. Unless I'm missing something.
Thank you for the kinda-sorta defense, Ms. Vess.
It's true I was with PY-RE, and I have worked with a lot of people who don't get along with her at all: Ali, Makoto Priano, others.
I don't think I've ever been on bad terms with her myself, though.
Ms. Kim and I haven't come to harsh words between ourselves more than once, I don't think, and that time was a misunderstanding, even though we disagree about maybe almost everything. I try to be just a little careful, because I know she's a badly wounded person.
(She and Mr. Ronin might have that in common, a little.)
I do get tired of watching people speak cruelly to her, as though she were just being stupid instead of someone deeply hurt. I've learned not to intervene for that reason only, though. It doesn't seem to help. Or maybe I just don't have the energy it would take.
I'm not asking if we can maybe stop this so much to protect her as because this thread's burned away everything interesting it was and everything interesting it turned into and it's now just ... kind of smoldering along and smelling awful.
Mr. Ronin and Ms. Kim have a personal stake, maybe, but ... it's not like their snarling at each other over the border is probably going to be resolved right here, whatever happens.
Maybe if the air clears a little someone might have something interesting to say.
(Did our conversation over Mr. Ephesianos's comments just plain disappear, Ms. Vess? I can't seem to find it.) |
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
2490
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Posted - 2016.10.19 22:01:05 -
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Around and around and around and around and ...
If this whirlpool kept to itself, and didn't go wandering around, it might be worth keeping it going here just so it wouldn't start up in other places.
But, it surely won't stay put, so.... |
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
2493
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Posted - 2016.10.20 00:42:30 -
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Matar Ronin wrote:If she tells me what system she is hiding in I will fly there in my pod, challenge her and she can come out and kill me.
Locator agents: you give them a name and pay them a fee, and you get a system.
If you really want to find her, Mr. Ronin, you probably can, with or without her help. |
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
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Posted - 2016.10.20 02:16:51 -
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Matar Ronin wrote:After yelling "come fight me" so loud, why is kim afraid to disclose her location?
Fear and a total lack of honor, best explains her current actions. I have debunked all her other excuses.
... *sigh*
Has no one actually outright explained this, Mr. Ronin?
Ms. Kim has a reputation for several things. She hates the Gallente with a passion that sometimes more-than-borders on genocidal. She's very quick to anger. She is colossally stubborn about any position she takes, approaches many direct disagreements (especially contradictions) as challenges to her honor, and has adopted the overall politics of the Templis Dragonaurs, which means people disagree with her a lot.
She is also a fierce, repeatedly-proven duelist, which might be why you're not getting more support from your fellows and why Ms. Vess described the ideal scenario here as you losing a Rifter: as an industrialist against a seasoned combat pilot, however wounded in spirit, you're extremely likely to lose.
She's apparently pretty deadly.
I don't know precisely why Ms. Kim isn't interested in coming to face you, Mr. Ronin, but as the person who does not have a record as a duelist as of yet, you're going to have some difficulty getting traction on the "Ms. Kim is a coward" thing. She isn't. Attacking her there is hitting her where she's strongest.
Ms. Kim is maybe rhetorically vulnerable on any number of points, but the courage of her convictions isn't one of them. |
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
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Posted - 2016.10.20 04:18:05 -
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So, Mr. Ronin?
If you're really so eager for a duel, I'm game. Basic frigates, no pirate implants, no boosters, no links. We'll need to arrange time and place.
Be aware: I'm at best an indifferent duelist (I'd say "decent" but I'm out of practice). If you can't beat me, you have little chance against Ms. Kim.
If you want a series of duels (which is excellent training), come by Mehatoor and install some basic combat frigates at the 24IC station. It's Nauplius's home station, and he's actually good (at dueling). On my best day I can trade losses with him. He's probably a decent person to measure yourself against if you're preparing to fight Ms. Kim. |
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
2501
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Posted - 2016.10.20 13:44:40 -
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Deitra Vess wrote:Uh...... Ya, have him duel a guy who will torture and kill his crew...... Good fighter or not that's not exactly the best of candidates for getting some trigger time as a Matari.
The odds of a frigate crew surviving a loss are extremely low anyway, Ms. Vess. ... Also, for some reason, Mr. Nauplius hasn't been taking or buying prisoners. (Which is a good thing.)
Also, also, the station's normally right there. Duels tend to take place on the undock.
Arrendis wrote:On the other hand, it'd be an amusing thing to sit a couple hundred Ishtars off the undock with sentries assisted to a number of instalocking interceptors, and just remind both parties that honor duelling is a damned stupid way to waste money, lives, and resources.
It's highsec, Ms. Arrendis. A border system to the war zone, a staging ground.
Unless you know some trick I don't, I'm not the one who'd be wasting stuff.
To some degree, I do agree with you: dueling artificially limits the rules, which, I don't particularly care for. But-- well, it seems Mr. Ronin considers himself a duelist. So we might as well give him a chance to either demonstrate it or find out where and how he's falling short. |
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
2501
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Posted - 2016.10.20 20:50:57 -
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Arrendis wrote:What, you think us null-dwellers can't file wardecs?
It's a funny thing, the way all the high-sec wardeccers scatter like the rats they are when a reasonable-sized fleet comes through.
So, Ms. Arrendis, I was trying to decide how I should respond to this, but then I noticed I missed this other thing from earlier:
Matar Ronin wrote:Perhaps kim should visit your friend and or train with you. Seems like she is the one afraid to fight. Are you such an enabler you are willing to fight the fights she fears?
But if your challenge is in earnest we certainly can discuss weapon types, be forewarned I don't prefer Frigates. Once I have dispatched kim if you still have a taste for action I will try to find a spot for you on my busy schedule or one of my industrial associates will handle you if I am unavailable.
However I'd insist on an advance agreement that warping away once combat has begun would indicate a complete loss of personal honor, I or my associate wouldn't like to have to chase someone down as they attempted to flee. It also has the advantage of making a tackle redundant, the fight is to the death of one pilot or the other.
To save their crew a pilot can eject when deep in structure, and the other pilot must agree to not destroy the abandoned ship. This is a matter between capsuleers and not their baseline crews if possible. Please note when you eject you must remain on scene in your pod until death is delivered. Any attempt to leave the duel area will result in a total loss of personal honor.
To be clear it will be a one versus one fight.
*sigh*
... so probably never mind. |
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Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
2547
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Posted - 2016.11.06 19:06:54 -
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Deitra Vess wrote:I just say it because your entering territory that Elmund, Claudia, Tyrel, Annabelle, Morwen, myself and countless other people have done in the past. It's not a worthwhile fight which is why we hardly do so as much as the past. Fire is power and water is calm. Why fight fire with fire when the bucket of water next to you will work more efficiently?
Oh, well said! |
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
2556
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Posted - 2016.11.09 23:00:45 -
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Matar Ronin wrote:Why does it bother some people that posts are still being made? The IGS is for communication. If the OP, in this case me, doesn't mind hosting extended discussions on many issues what is the problem?
Could it be we capsuleers are enamored with the idea of things dying?
With the exception of those who I have asked to not participate in my threads all willing to exchange ideas remain welcome. Well-- if there were more ideas in play it might be more interesting, but, you and Ms. Kim snarling at each other is pretty boring, Mr. Ronin. That's mostly what this thread's about, now. You won't ignore her and she won't ignore you. ... And since it happens almost everywhere you both post, this thread isn't even working as quarantine.
In what's probably a pointless effort to change the subject:
It doesn't seem like capsuleers are so much enamored of death as inured to it. ... That's the physical deaths of human beings, not of things whose "lives" are abstractions. Maybe somewhere there's someone who arranges funerals for blown fuses, complete with offerings to speed their passage into the next world, though.
Anyhow, most people of whatever sort tend to wish that a story or conversation or whatever end, once it no longer serves a purpose, even if they've actually never killed anybody and would never want to.
Immortality for people seems like a questionable goal; immortality for something like a stale series of novels even more so. |
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
2558
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Posted - 2016.11.10 18:12:32 -
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Luna Hanaya wrote:Matar Ronin wrote:Luna Hanaya wrote:Matar Ronin wrote: Could it be we capsuleers are enamored with the idea of things dying?
From boredom and empty threats. You were saying you were going to hunt Diana down, how is it going? Patience lunatic. Psyops might be above your pay grade sock puppet. I prefer to let the coward wonder when the hammer shall drop. It shall when least expected. You could just have said never. And without isulting. Probably the insulting just characterizes your annoyance when your cowardice was uncovered, so you try to hide it this way. You can say what you want and as many as you want, we all here around (who can read combat records) already know that the God won't let you win neither propaganda battle on forums, nor battle in space. And since this battle will never happen because of your fear, you have already lost. Ms. Hanaya? Respectfully, can you please not drag this back towards something so dull? |
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
2558
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Posted - 2016.11.10 18:52:22 -
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Luna Hanaya wrote:Oh! Please excuse me! I'll depart for now and will dedicate today's evening for prayers. Thank you. Sincerely.
So ... about the deaths we cause....
In a way, I don't want to know. If I know, it doesn't change my job. It doesn't change the work I'm called to do. It just makes it harder. I don't talk with my crews. I don't watch them or get to know them or even really communicate with them unless I have to.
This is my work, my part to play. It's what I'm for, why I'm here. If I know too much, I might not be able to continue at all.
At the same time I don't think it's good to just ignore it, either, or to act like it doesn't matter. It has to matter. We're still human, and human beings shouldn't feel comfortable killing each other. Killing someone, annihilating a person, is an arrogant and extreme act. If I'm comfortable with it, will I hesitate even if I really should? Will I be careful at all about who I kill, or why?
We're assassins, in the end. Killers. It's what we're for. ... but I don't think it's something we should just be completely okay with. |
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
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Posted - 2016.11.10 21:33:13 -
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Ashlar Vellum wrote:Knowing or not changes little. Treat them fairly, but without kindness. You do them no favors by being their friend, you are their captain. The captain leads, the captain wins, everything else is irrelevant.
This is the traditional part of a captain, so, if I sat on a bridge giving orders, I'd agree with you.
I don't think I'd do very well at that job, though. I'm not much of a leader.
No-- I'm a capsuleer, the mind and will of the ship. My clone lies, safe but largely dormant, in a Jovian cocoon; it's my craft that is my body. My systems are my organs; my crew, my blood. Communication's unnecessary. They know their tasks. They keep me running. Almost any order I might give is executed by will alone.
Even as a battleship, I'm a single being. But if I bleed, people die. That's not a fact I can afford to care too much about, or to forget.
I'm maybe a kind of fragile person, though, and I'm not very good at "compartmentalizing" things. I know my crew are basically components of my ship, and I need to look at it that way if I'm going to do my job.
... if I think of it as flying a crowd of people around, firing huge weapons at other crowds ...
Charles Schmidt says I'm a "special kind" of masochist for even thinking things like that. He might be a little right, but I also don't want to be someone who just ignores it, either. There's obviously a tension here, but it seems like the easiest way to be at peace with it all is either to become useless for the purpose I was made for ... or to be happily horrible.
Maybe it's hypocritical for a mass killer to care at all about human life. ... Even so.... |
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
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Posted - 2016.11.10 21:53:38 -
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Matar Ronin wrote:As a capsuleer I know what I have signed on to do as a near unstoppable engine of death and destruction. But as a capsuleer we are going to have a long life, eventually peace will reign in the New Eden Cluster and humanity will no longer be at war with itself. When that day comes will we be as alien as the "drifters", as disconnected as the Joves whose capsules we inhabit? We will be obsolete and perhaps still near immortal. What becomes of human war machines in the era of peace? Well-- our ascent hasn't exactly been unpredictable, and there's been ample opportunity to install various kill mechanisms into probably all of us and/or our capsules. If we get to be more trouble than we're worth, probably, we'll eventually be switched off.
I kind of hope they don't just decide to do that to all of us, though, even if I don't care very much whether it happens to me. |
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
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Posted - 2016.11.10 23:31:26 -
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Matar Ronin wrote:I was questioning what we might do ourselves, not what others might do to us.
Can we, will we, find a new way to have a positive meaning in the long life that stretches before us as something more then instruments of death? I hope for the souls of all of us and because of the ultimate sacrifice of all the souls we have taken we eventually do evolve into something more, something better for humanity. That's kind of what I hope for any of us who are spared-- and seems like a reason to spare some. I'm not sure that "Empyreans" will have much wisdom to offer you couldn't get from other people who've lived a long time, though.
As for those of us who are only dangerous tools, it seems more likely that we'll be safely disposed of once we're not needed any more. |
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
2560
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Posted - 2016.11.11 07:12:52 -
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Kolodi Ramal wrote:Why do these discussions always end up looking to extremes? "We either become happy killers or we become paralyzed by grief and hesitation." "They either wash out or they operate exactly the same way others do." Can no one on the IGS imagine a middle road? Well-- that's kind of what I try to do.
It seems like I've maybe offended Karmilla, though. |
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
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Posted - 2016.11.15 01:05:25 -
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Matar Ronin wrote:Diana Kim wrote:Okay, let me try it then.
1. Caldari Prime was coerced into joining the Federation. Nice to see you publicly admit that everything that follows number one happened because Caldari leadership was weak and foolish enough to be coerced into joining the Federation. The old garbage in garbage out theory comes into play when unelected corp leaders who might have been skilled at making money tried to play the role of interplanetary cultural experts/diplomats. If only the Caldari had had qualified people answerable to the general public making those initial key decisions, how many lives would have been saved?
Mr. Ronin, to be clear, from first contact the Caldari had always been a little ... well, stepped-on, by the Gallente. The Gallente found out there were people on Caldari Prime when the Caldari invented the radio, but it's not like they weren't really pretty far ahead of the Caldari at the time. The entity that headed the Gallentean mission to Caldari Prime was called the CDS, for "Cultural Deliverance Society," which really kind of says it all.
... and the Caldari have a really long memory.
Add in a Federation that they probably really did feel like they had no choice but to join, which was run as a democracy in which they were a permanent minority....
I'm told the Gallente learned a lot from their experience with the Caldari, but I do still see Matari complain about Gallentean attitudes towards you-- the condescension, the criticism of your most dearly-held customs, and so on. Consider, then, that back in the day they hadn't yet learned to be so tactful about it all. It culminated in what was arguably an attempt at genocide, and the exile of the Caldari from their homeworld, where their ancestors had lived and died.
It's not as simple as weakness and strength, heroes and villains. It's a storm of events and cultures and group identities and bitter resentment. To the Gallente, this might be ancient history, something to use to score rhetorical points but pretty much stuff that happened to other people long ago. To the Caldari, it's an unhealed wound, a grudge born out of decades and centuries of humiliation, verging in places on a blood feud.
Like I said, the Caldari have a long memory.
This maybe isn't a very good topic to try to beat Ms. Kim over the head with, Mr. Ronin. You'll have trouble making points the Gallente haven't already tried a few thousand times, but, also, and more to the point, she's not the only person you'll upset. If you're interested in finding a sympathetic ear for any cause you might have in the State, telling them their ancestors were weak is a really bad way to go about it. |
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
2570
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Posted - 2016.11.15 03:34:08 -
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Deitra Vess wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Matar Ronin wrote:Diana Kim wrote:Okay, let me try it then.
1. Caldari Prime was coerced into joining the Federation. Nice to see you publicly admit that everything that follows number one happened because Caldari leadership was weak and foolish enough to be coerced into joining the Federation. The old garbage in garbage out theory comes into play when unelected corp leaders who might have been skilled at making money tried to play the role of interplanetary cultural experts/diplomats. If only the Caldari had had qualified people answerable to the general public making those initial key decisions, how many lives would have been saved? I guess you've never been part of a board meeting that elected a CEO. Also, guess who's ancestors weren't rescued by a foreign power? That's right. My ancestors. Let us know when the Federation gives you back the rest of your homeworld. I'll take foreign aid over charity from our enemies any day. I'd also love to know how many died from that foreign power to free us.
Odds of Matari/Caldari meeting of minds: fading fast.
I should probably be happy about that. |
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Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
2570
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Posted - 2016.11.15 04:33:55 -
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Probably I should be going and getting a bowl of popcorn about now.
Somehow I don't really feel like it, though. |
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
2589
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Posted - 2016.11.16 16:14:23 -
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... *sigh*
So, Mr. Ronin? I know you don't normally listen to me when I say such things, but Veiki Gesakaarin is maybe another one of those people you don't want to successfully annoy.
She might be looking for a hobby. Just saying.
(Also, her comments about the competence of a population to rule itself are actually widespread sentiment in the State, and I'm not sure there's a compelling counter-argument. Why would anyone expect a bunch of laborers and technicians to be suited to deciding, or even choosing leaders to decide, questions of macroeconomics and foreign policy? It's amazing to me that the Federation's worked as well as it has for as long as it has.) |
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
2589
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Posted - 2016.11.16 16:19:30 -
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Claudia Osyn wrote:Is this thread going to cover every cluster**** in the universe before it dies?
I kind of hope so. It'd be better than watching it devolve into an endless insult match.
Soooo ... Intaki separatism, anyone? |
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
2592
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Posted - 2016.11.16 16:49:32 -
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Claudia Osyn wrote:Aria Jenneth wrote:Claudia Osyn wrote:Is this thread going to cover every cluster**** in the universe before it dies? I kind of hope so. It'd be better than watching it devolve into an endless insult match. Soooo ... Intaki separatism, anyone? I was thinking of something along the lines of Aura's new voice.... That just comes down to taste and aesthetics, though. |
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
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Posted - 2016.11.16 18:49:00 -
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Claudia Osyn wrote:Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote: especially not to some black faced dirty trash of a Minmatar like yourself playing Gallentean liberal stooge. Was that really called for? She's in a(nother) "genuine" phase where she's trying out being an overt ethno-nationalist. I'm hoping she grows out of it sooner rather than later. |
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
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Posted - 2016.11.16 18:50:58 -
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Merchant Rova wrote:Deitra Vess wrote:Aria Jenneth wrote:Soooo ... Intaki separatism, anyone? Do they wish to get their independence? Do they have the means to survive on their own with little to no help? Why not? They should be given that option, they should also fight for it if that's their wish. Not saying I believe they can take on the Federation alone so let's hope cooler heads prevail. Give them their vote. They they can see that they need the Federation. Isn't there already the Intaki Syndicate? They're kind of in bed with the Angel Cartel and some other ruthless people, but it's not like they don't have their own whole region of space..
Is that the natural alternative, here? |
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
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Posted - 2016.11.16 19:22:19 -
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Merchant Rova wrote:Diana Kim wrote:Deitra Vess wrote:Oh come now.... Veil isn't as bad as Kim. How dare you, primitive tribal, comparing me with this deranged gurista and even claiming I am worse?! Have you lost your mind, subhuman?! Speak of the Devil.. Eh ...
Ms. Kim's Ms. Kim.
Veik's ... Veik.
It's the difference between a gut shot and waking up to find you've lost both kidneys to an organlegger, if that makes any sense. |
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
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Matar Ronin wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote:The will of the people was made manifest - and it's this that proves the lie to your assertion that it's ruled solely by the Corporate hierarchy. My lie indeed? Ah-- Mr. Ronin? "The lie" used in this context (like "gives the lie to the assertion that," etc.), isn't quite the same as calling the speaker a liar. (You'd think it would, but it doesn't.)
It's a turn of phrase making claim of inaccuracy without the kind of "sting" typical where the word is used. It's less like saying, "You're a liar," and more like saying, "And therefore, this isn't true."
As to the actual content of the argument, I think I'll just stay over here and let you all hash that out.... |
Aria Jenneth
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Posted - 2016.12.01 21:34:08 -
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Deitra Vess wrote:Well that's all well and good, care to explain what crime my kin did when your drop ships first landed? This should be good..... "Not being Amarr."
That's literally the basis for a Reclaiming by the sword. It's not racial as such (though some orthodox Amarr can make it seem very, ah, genetic); that just tends to be kind of the effect.
For the Amarr, enslavement is kind of the involuntary "entry level" of their faith and society. From this angle, a captive heathen and a criminal are in a comparable position: both "need work" if they're going to be good Imperial subjects.
I obviously like the Pax Amarria approach better. |
Aria Jenneth
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Posted - 2016.12.01 23:45:53 -
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Deitra Vess wrote:It's like Arnulf said, invincibility is only a fact when it isn't answered. Now that it's been answered twice, maybe it's time to change tactics. That's pretty much what produced the Pax Amarria to begin with, I think, Ms. Vess. (It's kind of a recent thing, historically speaking.)
(You do know I'm not Amarr, right?) |
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Aria Jenneth
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Posted - 2016.12.02 06:52:58 -
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Matar Ronin wrote:To perpetuate their reign of horror the slavery cultists have to keep their own people in the dark about what they really do cling to power. They want everyone to think it's about faith and devotion to a higher calling when the reality is it is all about sadistic rituals and barbaric savagery to hold other humans in bondage to brutally exploit their labor for purely profits or other selfish goals.
Many otherwise highly educated capsuleers seem completely unaware of the difference between the horrors of being a slave and the wispy saving souls chore filled walk in the park the apologists try to soft peddle it as being. Uh ...
Mr. Ronin?
So-- it seems like you're going to have a problem with any kind of distinction being drawn between degrees and gradations of slavery, being as you'd kind of like to focus on the absolute worst and act like mentioning any other option is sugar-coating it. And, actually, I guess there are probably a few thousand exhausted agricultural or industrial laborers for every enslaved lawyer, so, fair enough, maybe.
Something I'd like to see is a conversation on this subject between you and one of the recently-repatriated Matari practionerers of the Amarr faith-- a recently-freed local priest or community leader, ideally, someone your anger won't just knock flat.
If you have such a conversation, I'd kind of like to be present, if possible. It seems like such a person would have some interesting things to say, possibly to both of us. |
Aria Jenneth
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Posted - 2016.12.02 15:42:23 -
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Luna Hanaya wrote:We force heathens into slavery to teach them to submit to other humans before they learn to submit to the God. There is no horror in slavery. We all are slaves to the God. Maybe you yourself should become a slave and learn some humility, then you will understand how it works. If you will be a good slave, the God will forgive you your sins. But if you will be a bad slave, you will indeed feel all the horror and suffering... but only because you will invoke them yourself by your own choice of being bad. Slavery is a horror only for selfish ones. You call others selfish, but can you yourself be selfless? Can you submit yourself to slavery? Please excuse me if I will sound rough, but if you won't, you will become just a hypocrite. Oh gods.
Ms. Hanaya? He was a slave. Apparently under kind of problematic conditions. Hence the fury. |
Aria Jenneth
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Posted - 2016.12.02 15:58:48 -
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Samira Kernher wrote:Aria Jenneth wrote:Something I'd like to see is a conversation on this subject between you and one of the recently-repatriated Matari practionerers of the Amarr faith-- a recently-freed local priest or community leader, ideally, someone your anger won't just knock flat.
If you have such a conversation, I'd kind of like to be present, if possible. It seems like such a person would have some interesting things to say, possibly to both of us. Dialogue of that sort has gone on here on the IGS in the past. I recall it being rather hostile. But things can change.
To be clear, Ms. Kernher, I do mean specifically someone who's back in the Republic after being freed by the Empire, as opposed to someone who stayed or returned here.
I gather there are kind of a lot of them. Probably not many with posting access here, though. |
Aria Jenneth
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Posted - 2016.12.02 17:05:43 -
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Matar Ronin wrote:You would be surprised no doubt to discover that the tiny amount of enslaved lawyers would have grievances far greater than mine because they have to bow and scrape in a legal system that has no basic justice for Matari built into it everyday.
Pilot Jenneth human slavery is an abomination, taking all of a person's freedom and choice away is not something that can be discussed in degrees of difficulty. True some labors are physically harder than others, and some slaves are used as canon fodder in suicide combat missions. Yes I was a Kaimeira so I know firsthand of what I speak.
Imagine if someone placed a slave collar around your neck to inject pain and addictive drugs to control you, would it be better because you were a white collar domestic slave laboring in a fine dining establishment or a blue collar slave toiling in the bottom of an unsafe mining shaft? I need you to understand the totality of the wrongness of human slavery instead of trying to shave off and focus on the shinier pieces as if they were the whole.
So-- I kind of get this, Mr. Ronin, and you might have noticed in my "wispy" descriptions of the prospect of being enslaved that I didn't exactly look at it as a good thing.
That's understatement, by the way. You tend to describe it as downplaying.
But there's another issue in play, here, Mr. Ronin: my experience with slavery has (ironically, given where I live) mostly been with people who've been captured by the Blood Raiders or bought by Mr. Nauplius-- cases where the violence and horror would be hard to overstate.
(He's been better lately?)
See, the thing is, you talk about slavery as something awful by its nature, and I think you're not wrong, and then you talk about the Amarrian belief that they're helping their slaves as pure delusion and propaganda to cover up the brutality, and I think you're not quite right about that.
I've seen brutality in Amarrian slave-taking and management that made me grit my teeth, but I've also seen Amarr get angry at the same things. It's a betrayal, to many Amarr, of what they see as a sacred trust.
And then I see how the Sani treat their slaves. ... so far, I've never seen an Amarrian drinking blood from a captive with a sippy-straw. The basic rule is: the captors have won the right to do absolutely anything they want to by the simple fact that their victims don't have the power to stop them. That's not a subtext. It's not a nasty undercurrent showing its face in more or less subtle ways. It's the rule.
And then there's Mr. Nauplius, who, historically, has tried to put his captives through hell as literally as possible before (in his mind) sending them to the real one.
That's a distortion, you might say. A distraction. That's not what most slavery is. That's a fringe case, an extreme example that isn't representative of the real, banal horrors of slavery.
That's true. But it's also most of my contact with slaves-- tens of thousands of people recovered from Nauplius, most of them too wounded in body, mind, and spirit to probably ever return to normal life, in the Empire or anywhere else.
When I think of "Amarrian slave," I imagine someone who hasn't been subject to someone who uses an abolitionist's writup on the horrors of slavery as a "to do" checklist. Maybe that's distorting. Maybe I can't see clearly because of it. And I'm not particularly a fan, anyway. (Understatement, again.)
But that's my experience, Mr. Ronin. Maybe I haven't seen enough of how the Amarr practice slavery, but I've seen plenty of how others do.
It makes it a little hard to look at the Holders I know as some kind of avatars of ultimate evil. |
Aria Jenneth
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Posted - 2016.12.02 17:14:21 -
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Anabella Rella wrote:I think you're far too close to the slavers to be an objective arbiter of this subject Pilot Jenneth. Probably. Did I seem to be offering to arbitrate? |
Aria Jenneth
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Posted - 2016.12.02 18:26:16 -
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Anabella Rella wrote:Not explicitly but, you do seem to come to the defense of the slavers quite frequently. Well, that's a little true.
This is my home, Ms. Rella. Most of the people I'm closest to are Amarrian commoners, plus a Holder. The things people like Mr. Ronin say about them don't match up to my experience at all, and I don't think it's because SFRIM is some kind of haven set up to trick outsiders. (It might be a haven, but, I don't think it's for that.)
I've seen sad things here. Horrors, too. ... but I've seen those almost everywhere I've gone, and I don't think that slavery is a uniquely awful thing in a universe that sometimes seems to run on blood.
You won't win this war militarily, Ms. Rella. You can't. Even if the Empire collapsed its faith and institutions world re-crystalize into something probably much darker. I can't really say what would emerge out of that kind of chaos, but the ingredients are there for something really dangerous: a thick soup of Sani Sabik, most likely.
In any case, I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be what you hoped for. That leaves diplomacy, which tends to be easier if you skip the demonizing.
I kind of have hopes for Empress Catiz, but she'll need to have partners on the other side, too, if there's to be a lasting peace. And probably some assurances that this time a peace won't just be used to gear up for war.
I guess we'll see. |
Aria Jenneth
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Posted - 2016.12.03 00:37:06 -
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I was going to say something about statistically insignificant percentages and the usefulness of toughness in capsuleer training (maybe), but I think I'll just sit this one out. |
Aria Jenneth
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Posted - 2017.01.10 04:39:44 -
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Claudia Osyn wrote:I see you're still doing the thing...... Yeah.
He's been really pleasant in Symposium: New Eden, though. |
Aria Jenneth
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Posted - 2017.01.11 23:12:50 -
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Mr. Ronin?
My impression of Ms. Arrendis isn't so much of self-loathing as of strong pragmatism combined with a tendency towards pedantry and maybe a contrary, perverse streak (to all of which I can relate, except she tends to be maybe a little harder on people).
My own feeling about the scenario you sketch is that it's wish-fulfillment from the word "go." Any single empire that acquires and manages to monopolize Drifter technology is going to take pretty shameless advantage of it for as long as they can. That might or might not be "long enough," but it would be a historically destabilizing force for sure.
How much and for how long is hard to say, but, probably all the empires are scrambling to try to find a way to acquire exploit the technology to their own ends first. If I had to guess, I'd say the most likely group to emerge with a blueprint like that is the SoE. They've been acting a little strangely, though, so, it's hard to guess what that would even mean. |
Aria Jenneth
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Posted - 2017.01.11 23:31:55 -
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Matar Ronin wrote:Her new friends might not feel so safe flying with her if she dared to say that Minmatar people will take their freedom if it's not given to them. Speaking as one of those friends, (1) Ali, in particular, isn't especially new (though her devotion to the Amarrian faith is, a bit); (2) if you want to hear Arrendis wax sharp-tongued about the Amarr, ask her opinion of "God" (and expect to be there a while); (3) both SERAPH and, especially, ARC employ pilots from diverse backgrounds, including pilots formally at war with one another. The Drifters are too large an issue, and pilots willing to face them too rare, for us to be very finicky about who we'll fly with. |
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Aria Jenneth
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Posted - 2017.01.12 00:04:26 -
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Arrendis wrote:And just to have it said, if you're end-game victory condition for all this is 'All the Amarr are dead', well, I don't think you can pull it off, but at least you're being logically consistent.
And, you know, kinda exactly the sort of monster you're justifiably raging against.
So I hope that's not your victory-condition here. But if it is, well, I withdraw the 'not consistent' objection. I'd rather not be dead. Just, for the record.
Technically of course, I'm not Amarr, but what kills the Praefecta would probably get me, too, and I'd also rather most of the people close to me didn't die, and it's getting a little hard to distinguish me from them anyway unless you look kind of closely.
Yes. Genocidal ending not preferred. |
Aria Jenneth
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Posted - 2017.01.13 14:39:50 -
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Tyrel Toov wrote:Kolodi Ramal wrote:Tyrel Toov wrote:Maria Daphiti wrote:Matar Ronin wrote:I wonder if having the last word is so important? Let's test and see. Always! Never! Maybe! Nope Depends! |
Aria Jenneth
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Posted - 2017.06.22 22:11:30 -
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... Maybe he's very indirectly suggesting you should capitalize "Dragoon," Ms. Daphiti? |
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Posted - 2017.06.22 22:34:31 -
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Maria Daphiti wrote:I dunno. *shruggles* Seems a lotta text to waste to ask that. But if he wanted t' derail his own thread, fine by me!
Hm. Original meaning is just "mounted infantry," as in, "a company of dragoons." And, it refers to the individual, so, one soldier, one dragoon, two soldiers, two dragoons.
Maybe he mistook it for a different military collective noun? A squadron or legion or something?
An army? |
Aria Jenneth
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Posted - 2017.06.23 00:45:40 -
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Uh ... I don't know if you'd specified "cruisers," earlier, Mr. Ronin. Anyway cruisers actually have slightly limited utility in the warzone, first because of the swarms of smaller ships that make basically anything but a destroyer-fit cruiser impractical, but also because they only fit into about half the plexes. This limits their applicability compared to basic destroyers (75%) or frigates (100%).
(Also, yes, I gather she's pretty good.) |
Aria Jenneth
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Posted - 2017.06.23 16:47:52 -
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Uh. Pilot?
When the Amarr militia says X, and the Minmatar partisans, militia or not, also say X, X is maybe a good bet? |
Aria Jenneth
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Posted - 2017.06.23 17:06:16 -
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Kite, noun, piloting technique employing speed and range to maximize one's own effectiveness while minimizing or eliminating incoming fire by engaging from extreme range and forcing hostiles to pursue, picking them off as they do so. Named for the quality of running before the "wind" of the oncoming enemy while maintaining range, like a kite on a string. Especially useful when heavily outnumbered. Typical weaknesses are relatively low damage, esp. at short range, and weak defense when actually forced to absorb fire.
Counterable, definitely. It's something you have to be prepared for, though, as a rule, and means limiting your own effectiveness against other tactics.
It's a favorite for dealing with swarms, which rarely have strong coordination in their tactics and fitting.
Edit:
Also, again, you've got Ms. Daphiti, Mr. Egivand, Ms. Vess, Miz, and me all agreeing.
This basically doesn't happen. |
Aria Jenneth
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Posted - 2017.06.23 19:00:27 -
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Oh, gods and spirits, pilot.
Webs and scrams have a (usually very limited) maximum range. The point of a kite is that it stays out of reach. Either it starts out holding the field (assuming inside a plex) and therefore chooses its starting range (this is a tactic I'd recommend for a solo destroyer), warps into an open field at long range and then maneuvers closer or baits hostiles towards it, or (risky! Probably not the thing to do with a lone destroyer) just drops into the middle of the swarm and then powers outward at multiple kmps before anybody can grab it.
These aren't new or theoretical tactics, pilot. They're commonplace. We've probably all both used and faced enemies using them, repeatedly. Kites represent a good third to a half of the solo hostiles roaming the warzone. They're not impossible to kill at all. Just, numbers isn't the key; kite fits and tactics tend to get deployed specifically as a response to numbers.
They're not a hard counter, but they are a counter. A lot of my proudest moments from my time with PY-RE involved taking kite gangs against vastly numerically-superior enemies.
It's a thing. |
Aria Jenneth
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Posted - 2017.06.23 19:06:42 -
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Null Ronin wrote:Maria Daphiti wrote:My dragoon and I look forward to meeting swarms of Alpha pilots. Perhaps if you had included in your first initial comment "While hiding out in a small plex" the conversation could indeed not have happened. But like most of your kind you leave out from history what does not support your current position or belief. Then again only a fool would look forward to meeting swarms where swarms could not fit, so one can choose you are either a fool or a liar, the forum record proves what you said and the order that you said it. You can always go back an edit your comment to prove your typical total lack of honesty and honor as a member of pie.
So-- your swarm can absolutely get into a small plex as long as it doesn't "upship" to cruisers. If it does upship to cruisers, it's naturally sacrificing its ability to enter about half the tactical sites in the warzone.
Maybe go fight a round or sixty in the WZ, then we can discuss this? |
Aria Jenneth
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Posted - 2017.06.24 15:03:23 -
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Really well said, Ms. Kernher.
Sometimes I wish I could squeeze three "likes" out of the system for somebody. |
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Aria Jenneth
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Posted - 2017.06.25 13:58:42 -
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So ... Messrs. Ronin and Ronin? A little bit of advice I took, back when I was flying with PY-RE (I don't think I'd ever actually done this before, and wow did it have an effect):
Build yourself a personal stock of fitted combat frigates. I don't mean like five or ten, I mean like thirty or even sixty. Take them out into dangerous places. Be aggressive (not totally suicidal, though; there's no point if you just run them all into a gatecamp.
Fight and fight until you lose them all.
By the time you're done, you'll know what you're doing. The alternative leads to risk aversion-- crippling fear of loss.
It's how I learned. If I ever go back into the warzone, or anywhere else like it, I think maybe I should even do it again. My claws aren't so sharp anymore, you know? Not even Drifters really prepare you to take on a peer.
This goes for basically everyone you fly with, so, you'll want to keep them supplied with expendable frigates at very low or zero charge, and have some pre-built doctrine fleets prepped as well for when you need them. This was PY-RE's approach, and I think most dedicated combat corporations do something similar.
I won't wish you luck, but, maybe we'll see each other there sometime, and test each other's edge.
Something to look forward to. |
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