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Andreus Ixiris
Duty. Mighty Wings.
5993
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Posted - 2016.12.01 18:44:04 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:That actually helps too, Andreus. Thanks. You're welcome. If I can bring a little bit more mutual understanding and empathy to the world, I'm happy.
... you know, when I see those words written down, they seem really sarcastic, but I mean it.
Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.
Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.
Andreus Ixiris > ...
Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
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Kolodi Ramal
Sanxing
262
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Posted - 2016.12.01 19:10:14 -
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Some make a distinction between Minmatar and Matari. That distinction means somebody who has no Minmatar blood can be Matari if their spirit is with us and they choose to become part of our cultures, and somebody who has Minmatar blood isn't Matari if their spirit is against us (like if they willingly join the Cartel, which takes and trafficks slaves, or the Empire). Some see that as a spectrum, some don't. |
Sinti Vailatti
Angelis Exploration
198
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Posted - 2016.12.01 19:24:26 -
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Kolodi Ramal wrote:Some make a distinction between Minmatar and Matari. That distinction means somebody who has no Minmatar blood can be Matari if their spirit is with us and they choose to become part of our cultures, and somebody who has Minmatar blood isn't Matari if their spirit is against us (like if they willingly join the Cartel, which takes and trafficks slaves, or the Empire). Some see that as a spectrum, some don't.
Some do, some don't.
Some might point out that certain "criminal" organizations were started by Matari and pre-date the Republic. Some might say that you can easily be Matari and not want to have thing one with Republic. Some might recognize that one can love and appreciate her sister Matari, but spit on the current excuse for government.
GÇ£Where must we go...we who wander this wasteland, in search of our better selves?GÇ¥
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Luna Hanaya
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
209
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Posted - 2016.12.01 19:39:57 -
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Sinti Vailatti wrote: You do realize that for the Amarr to have Matari slaves, they first had to go to (invade) Matari space? It's not like we decided to go on vacation in Amarr and "OOPS" got enslaved. You realize the slavery issue is a LOT more complex than "Oh it's just something the Amarr do" right?
In the Empire we don't enslave peoples by their race. We enslave criminals and prisoners of war. Would it be Amarr or Minmatar who will start making troubles, the punishment will be the same.
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Kolodi Ramal
Sanxing
263
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Posted - 2016.12.01 20:12:28 -
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Sinti Vailatti wrote:Kolodi Ramal wrote:Some make a distinction between Minmatar and Matari. That distinction means somebody who has no Minmatar blood can be Matari if their spirit is with us and they choose to become part of our cultures, and somebody who has Minmatar blood isn't Matari if their spirit is against us (like if they willingly join the Cartel, which takes and trafficks slaves, or the Empire). Some see that as a spectrum, some don't. Some do, some don't. Some might point out that certain "criminal" organizations were started by Matari and pre-date the Republic. Some might say that you can easily be Matari and not want to have thing one with Republic. Some might recognize that one can love and appreciate her sister Matari, but spit on the current excuse for government. You're in a slaver organization. Keep trying to make that sound like a good thing, if you must. |
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
1606
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Posted - 2016.12.01 20:37:31 -
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Luna Hanaya wrote:Sinti Vailatti wrote: You do realize that for the Amarr to have Matari slaves, they first had to go to (invade) Matari space? It's not like we decided to go on vacation in Amarr and "OOPS" got enslaved. You realize the slavery issue is a LOT more complex than "Oh it's just something the Amarr do" right?
In the Empire we don't enslave peoples by their race. We enslave criminals and prisoners of war. Would it be Amarr or Minmatar who will start making troubles, the punishment will be the same. Well that's all well and good, care to explain what crime my kin did when your drop ships first landed? This should be good..... |
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
2683
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Posted - 2016.12.01 21:34:08 -
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Deitra Vess wrote:Well that's all well and good, care to explain what crime my kin did when your drop ships first landed? This should be good..... "Not being Amarr."
That's literally the basis for a Reclaiming by the sword. It's not racial as such (though some orthodox Amarr can make it seem very, ah, genetic); that just tends to be kind of the effect.
For the Amarr, enslavement is kind of the involuntary "entry level" of their faith and society. From this angle, a captive heathen and a criminal are in a comparable position: both "need work" if they're going to be good Imperial subjects.
I obviously like the Pax Amarria approach better. |
Arnulf Ogunkoya
Clan Ogunkoya
207
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Posted - 2016.12.01 23:03:30 -
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Aria Jenneth wrote:Deitra Vess wrote:Well that's all well and good, care to explain what crime my kin did when your drop ships first landed? This should be good..... "Not being Amarr." That's literally the basis for a Reclaiming by the sword. It's not racial as such (though some orthodox Amarr can make it seem very, ah, genetic); that just tends to be kind of the effect. For the Amarr, enslavement is kind of the involuntary "entry level" of their faith and society. From this angle, a captive heathen and a criminal are in a comparable position: both "need work" if they're going to be good Imperial subjects. I obviously like the Pax Amarria approach better.
Well. Hopefully running into equivalent tech civilizations, and having their last two attempts at militant reclaiming go so horribly wrong, might speed up the trend towards that in Imperial culture.
The main issue being generational slavery and thinking that conversion by brainwashing (that is to say denying the potential convert any other perspectives) is in any way legitimate. I'm afraid those two notions will have to go the way of the City of God and it's sponsor before there can be any lasting peace. Still the Marys have had cultural shifts like that before so there is always hope, no? But then you have to consider what happened to the Council that opposed the Mad Emperor. Shifts can go both ways, unfortunately.
Regards, Arnulf Ogunkoya.
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Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
1610
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Posted - 2016.12.01 23:38:03 -
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Aria Jenneth wrote: I obviously like the Pax Amarria approach better.
Given the choice I'd much rather they tried that approach over the latter. I'm sure without the whole "your culture is irrelevant there for well destroy it" there would be alot less people like myself gunning for your more devout, "die by the sword" types. What could have more than likely become a tool to help your efforts ("see what our God has provided you? You could have all that and more") comes to bite your faith in the.... Well, I think you know what I'm saying here. Their facade was shattered, why should we believe anything at this point, especially when it was once delivered from orbit via a tachyon laser?
It's like Arnulf said, invincibility is only a fact when it isn't answered. Now that it's been answered twice, maybe it's time to change tactics. |
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
2687
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Posted - 2016.12.01 23:45:53 -
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Deitra Vess wrote:It's like Arnulf said, invincibility is only a fact when it isn't answered. Now that it's been answered twice, maybe it's time to change tactics. That's pretty much what produced the Pax Amarria to begin with, I think, Ms. Vess. (It's kind of a recent thing, historically speaking.)
(You do know I'm not Amarr, right?) |
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Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
1610
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Posted - 2016.12.01 23:50:53 -
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Of course your not, just force of habit is all. Honestly didn't know it was more recent, relatively speaking. |
Mizhara Del'thul
Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition
886
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Posted - 2016.12.01 23:59:51 -
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The amount of capsuleers even among the loyalists that don't know the origins of Pax Amarria is ridiculous, if we're to go by these fora and other public venues. I've seen them be referred to as the Scriptures. It's a sad combination of tragedy and horror that these people are so indoctrinated that they'll fight tooth and nail for something they haven't the faintest understanding of, even after supposedly being educated Capsuleers.
I suppose allowing these people to be kept in the dark rather than risking them rejecting it if they understood it is easier. |
Matar Ronin
3344
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Posted - 2016.12.02 05:50:31 -
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To perpetuate their reign of horror the slavery cultists have to keep their own people in the dark about what they really do cling to power. They want everyone to think it's about faith and devotion to a higher calling when the reality is it is all about sadistic rituals and barbaric savagery to hold other humans in bondage to brutally exploit their labor for purely profits or other selfish goals.
Many otherwise highly educated capsuleers seem completely unaware of the difference between the horrors of being a slave and the wispy saving souls chore filled walk in the park the apologists try to soft peddle it as being.
GÇÿVain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.GÇÖ
" We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.
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Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
2688
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Posted - 2016.12.02 06:52:58 -
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Matar Ronin wrote:To perpetuate their reign of horror the slavery cultists have to keep their own people in the dark about what they really do cling to power. They want everyone to think it's about faith and devotion to a higher calling when the reality is it is all about sadistic rituals and barbaric savagery to hold other humans in bondage to brutally exploit their labor for purely profits or other selfish goals.
Many otherwise highly educated capsuleers seem completely unaware of the difference between the horrors of being a slave and the wispy saving souls chore filled walk in the park the apologists try to soft peddle it as being. Uh ...
Mr. Ronin?
So-- it seems like you're going to have a problem with any kind of distinction being drawn between degrees and gradations of slavery, being as you'd kind of like to focus on the absolute worst and act like mentioning any other option is sugar-coating it. And, actually, I guess there are probably a few thousand exhausted agricultural or industrial laborers for every enslaved lawyer, so, fair enough, maybe.
Something I'd like to see is a conversation on this subject between you and one of the recently-repatriated Matari practionerers of the Amarr faith-- a recently-freed local priest or community leader, ideally, someone your anger won't just knock flat.
If you have such a conversation, I'd kind of like to be present, if possible. It seems like such a person would have some interesting things to say, possibly to both of us. |
Luna Hanaya
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
210
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Posted - 2016.12.02 15:34:28 -
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Matar Ronin wrote:To perpetuate their reign of horror the slavery cultists have to keep their own people in the dark about what they really do cling to power. They want everyone to think it's about faith and devotion to a higher calling when the reality is it is all about sadistic rituals and barbaric savagery to hold other humans in bondage to brutally exploit their labor for purely profits or other selfish goals.
Many otherwise highly educated capsuleers seem completely unaware of the difference between the horrors of being a slave and the wispy saving souls chore filled walk in the park the apologists try to soft peddle it as being. We force heathens into slavery to teach them to submit to other humans before they learn to submit to the God. There is no horror in slavery. We all are slaves to the God. Maybe you yourself should become a slave and learn some humility, then you will understand how it works. If you will be a good slave, the God will forgive you your sins. But if you will be a bad slave, you will indeed feel all the horror and suffering... but only because you will invoke them yourself by your own choice of being bad. Slavery is a horror only for selfish ones. You call others selfish, but can you yourself be selfless? Can you submit yourself to slavery? Please excuse me if I will sound rough, but if you won't, you will become just a hypocrite.
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Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
2689
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Posted - 2016.12.02 15:42:23 -
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Luna Hanaya wrote:We force heathens into slavery to teach them to submit to other humans before they learn to submit to the God. There is no horror in slavery. We all are slaves to the God. Maybe you yourself should become a slave and learn some humility, then you will understand how it works. If you will be a good slave, the God will forgive you your sins. But if you will be a bad slave, you will indeed feel all the horror and suffering... but only because you will invoke them yourself by your own choice of being bad. Slavery is a horror only for selfish ones. You call others selfish, but can you yourself be selfless? Can you submit yourself to slavery? Please excuse me if I will sound rough, but if you won't, you will become just a hypocrite. Oh gods.
Ms. Hanaya? He was a slave. Apparently under kind of problematic conditions. Hence the fury. |
Mizhara Del'thul
Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition
889
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Posted - 2016.12.02 15:45:05 -
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Not a prerequisite for fury. All it takes to be furious about slavery is a minimum of empathy and a slight sense of morality and ethics. Basically, having a modicum of humanity in you. Of course, first hand experience helps. |
Luna Hanaya
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
210
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Posted - 2016.12.02 15:48:02 -
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Aria Jenneth wrote:Luna Hanaya wrote:We force heathens into slavery to teach them to submit to other humans before they learn to submit to the God. There is no horror in slavery. We all are slaves to the God. Maybe you yourself should become a slave and learn some humility, then you will understand how it works. If you will be a good slave, the God will forgive you your sins. But if you will be a bad slave, you will indeed feel all the horror and suffering... but only because you will invoke them yourself by your own choice of being bad. Slavery is a horror only for selfish ones. You call others selfish, but can you yourself be selfless? Can you submit yourself to slavery? Please excuse me if I will sound rough, but if you won't, you will become just a hypocrite. Oh gods. Ms. Hanaya? He was a slave. Apparently under kind of problematic conditions. Hence the fury. (Though I get the feeling he's upset over more than just what was done to him, personally.) How comes he isn't a slave then anymore? Someone made a terrible terrible mistake releasing him that early! It is the same as sending a toddler to an university and wondering why they don't understand the sciences.
I will pray to God for him to eventually return back.
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Samira Kernher
2904
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Posted - 2016.12.02 15:52:54 -
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Aria Jenneth wrote:Something I'd like to see is a conversation on this subject between you and one of the recently-repatriated Matari practionerers of the Amarr faith-- a recently-freed local priest or community leader, ideally, someone your anger won't just knock flat.
If you have such a conversation, I'd kind of like to be present, if possible. It seems like such a person would have some interesting things to say, possibly to both of us.
Dialogue of that sort has gone on here on the IGS in the past. I recall it being rather hostile. But things can change. |
Matar Ronin
3345
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Posted - 2016.12.02 15:54:41 -
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Aria Jenneth wrote:Matar Ronin wrote:To perpetuate their reign of horror the slavery cultists have to keep their own people in the dark about what they really do cling to power. They want everyone to think it's about faith and devotion to a higher calling when the reality is it is all about sadistic rituals and barbaric savagery to hold other humans in bondage to brutally exploit their labor for purely profits or other selfish goals.
Many otherwise highly educated capsuleers seem completely unaware of the difference between the horrors of being a slave and the wispy saving souls chore filled walk in the park the apologists try to soft peddle it as being. Uh ... Mr. Ronin? So-- it seems like you're going to have a problem with any kind of distinction being drawn between degrees and gradations of slavery, being as you'd kind of like to focus on the absolute worst and act like mentioning any other option is sugar-coating it. And, actually, I guess there are probably a few thousand exhausted agricultural or industrial laborers for every enslaved lawyer, so, fair enough, maybe. Something I'd like to see is a conversation on this subject between you and one of the recently-repatriated Matari practionerers of the Amarr faith-- a recently-freed local priest or community leader, ideally, someone your anger won't just knock flat. If you have such a conversation, I'd kind of like to be present, if possible. It seems like such a person would have some interesting things to say, possibly to both of us. You would be surprised no doubt to discover that the tiny amount of enslaved lawyers would have grievances far greater than mine because they have to bow and scrape in a legal system that has no basic justice for Matari built into it everyday.
Pilot Jenneth human slavery is an abomination, taking all of a person's freedom and choice away is not something that can be discussed in degrees of difficulty. True some labors are physically harder than others, and some slaves are used as canon fodder in suicide combat missions. Yes I was a Kaimeira so I know firsthand of what I speak.
Imagine if someone placed a slave collar around your neck to inject pain and addictive drugs to control you, would it be better because you were a white collar domestic slave laboring in a fine dining establishment or a blue collar slave toiling in the bottom of an unsafe mining shaft? I need you to understand the totality of the wrongness of human slavery instead of trying to shave off and focus on the shinier pieces as if they were the whole.
For either you or me to sit down and have a long discussion with someone who while in the belly of inhumane slavery cult embraced the concept of deity worship and was not allowed to practice anything other than the approved cult version would prove a depressing experience for us both. We would immediately see how tragic self loathing taught and reinforced by a barbaric society to keep their labor force mentally shackled to an inferiority complex is as brutal as a slave collar and more insidious than forced drug addiction. They make people start to believe God finds them unworthy and less. The most horrific form of mind control imaginable for people of faith like you or I.
You seem to mistake my passion for human freedom as merely anger against the foolish selfish apologists or the intensely corrupt slavery cultists. I rage against the injustice they inflict upon all of humanity with their sickness pretending to be a religion because every second it is in existence it is destroying innocent human lives.
Love of humanity and justice is the engine that moves me not anger at the evildoers.
I pray for the day when the slavery cultists 'reclaim' for themselves true faith in a just true God and become a force for good in the universe instead of being the embodiment of evil they are today.
GÇÿVain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.GÇÖ
" We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.
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Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
2689
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Posted - 2016.12.02 15:58:48 -
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Samira Kernher wrote:Aria Jenneth wrote:Something I'd like to see is a conversation on this subject between you and one of the recently-repatriated Matari practionerers of the Amarr faith-- a recently-freed local priest or community leader, ideally, someone your anger won't just knock flat.
If you have such a conversation, I'd kind of like to be present, if possible. It seems like such a person would have some interesting things to say, possibly to both of us. Dialogue of that sort has gone on here on the IGS in the past. I recall it being rather hostile. But things can change.
To be clear, Ms. Kernher, I do mean specifically someone who's back in the Republic after being freed by the Empire, as opposed to someone who stayed or returned here.
I gather there are kind of a lot of them. Probably not many with posting access here, though. |
Mizhara Del'thul
Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition
890
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Posted - 2016.12.02 16:00:37 -
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Samira Kernher wrote:Aria Jenneth wrote:Something I'd like to see is a conversation on this subject between you and one of the recently-repatriated Matari practionerers of the Amarr faith-- a recently-freed local priest or community leader, ideally, someone your anger won't just knock flat.
If you have such a conversation, I'd kind of like to be present, if possible. It seems like such a person would have some interesting things to say, possibly to both of us. Dialogue of that sort has gone on here on the IGS in the past. I recall it being rather hostile. But things can change.
It's been happening many places, indeed. The hostility becomes inevitable when the 'repatriated' largely turns out to be a reclaimer with - perhaps entirely honestly and well meant - the goal of spreading Imperial 'glory'. Motivations aside, it is merely a more insidious version of the more overtly hostile act of planetary conquest, with the same goal of cultural eradication and destruction.
It should come as no surprise that such acts of hostility are met with hostility. |
Samira Kernher
2904
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Posted - 2016.12.02 16:06:58 -
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Aria Jenneth wrote:Probably not many with posting access here, though.
No, not likely. Those kinds of people, if they become capsuleers and become able to post here, are likely to use that freedom to return.
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:It should come as no surprise that such acts of hostility are met with hostility.
If you say so. |
Mizhara Del'thul
Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition
891
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Posted - 2016.12.02 16:11:42 -
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Perhaps we should talk about this somewhere else, kindred. Where the public gaze doesn't warp things beyond description. |
Matar Ronin
3347
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Posted - 2016.12.02 16:33:05 -
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We should all be aware that the former slave who sings the loudest about the glory of having been enslaved here on IGS was the first to purchase her own family out of it's clutches.
The disgusting pretense of cloaking themselves in the ritual garments of religious enlightenment is revealed to be just another shabby rag of self serving lies wrapped around broken people trying to convince themselves and others they are now cleansed of the "wrongness" of their birth not being amarrian, it is indeed the mental illness of self loathing on the highest judas goat level. Tragic she remains shackled and collared in her mind. All the titles and pats on the head from her masters can not fix her, only learning the true nature of loving humanity equally will pull her from the cesspool she currently inhabits.
GÇÿVain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.GÇÖ
" We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.
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Samira Kernher
2904
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Posted - 2016.12.02 16:48:26 -
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Well, forget what I said about things being able to change, I guess.
Though I don't know where this idea of purchasing anyone comes from. |
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
1612
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Posted - 2016.12.02 16:55:33 -
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Luna Hanaya wrote:Matar Ronin wrote:To perpetuate their reign of horror the slavery cultists have to keep their own people in the dark about what they really do cling to power. They want everyone to think it's about faith and devotion to a higher calling when the reality is it is all about sadistic rituals and barbaric savagery to hold other humans in bondage to brutally exploit their labor for purely profits or other selfish goals.
Many otherwise highly educated capsuleers seem completely unaware of the difference between the horrors of being a slave and the wispy saving souls chore filled walk in the park the apologists try to soft peddle it as being. We force heathens into slavery to teach them to submit to other humans before they learn to submit to the God. There is no horror in slavery. We all are slaves to the God. Maybe you yourself should become a slave and learn some humility, then you will understand how it works. If you will be a good slave, the God will forgive you your sins. But if you will be a bad slave, you will indeed feel all the horror and suffering... but only because you will invoke them yourself by your own choice of being bad. Slavery is a horror only for selfish ones. You call others selfish, but can you yourself be selfless? Can you submit yourself to slavery? Please excuse me if I will sound rough, but if you won't, you will become just a hypocrite. I believe your religion's rhetoric includes something to the effect of "there is no god other than god." Why must we answer to you: man, not god before that? Supposedly were all "slaves to his glory." Know your place slave. And before I hear the whole "we are here to bring his light to the cluster" thing, you've done a horrible job at it, maybe you aren't specifically the chosen race after all. Which, simply put, leads to the conclusion of who really made who? Did your God make us or did you make him? |
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
2690
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Posted - 2016.12.02 17:05:43 -
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Matar Ronin wrote:You would be surprised no doubt to discover that the tiny amount of enslaved lawyers would have grievances far greater than mine because they have to bow and scrape in a legal system that has no basic justice for Matari built into it everyday.
Pilot Jenneth human slavery is an abomination, taking all of a person's freedom and choice away is not something that can be discussed in degrees of difficulty. True some labors are physically harder than others, and some slaves are used as canon fodder in suicide combat missions. Yes I was a Kaimeira so I know firsthand of what I speak.
Imagine if someone placed a slave collar around your neck to inject pain and addictive drugs to control you, would it be better because you were a white collar domestic slave laboring in a fine dining establishment or a blue collar slave toiling in the bottom of an unsafe mining shaft? I need you to understand the totality of the wrongness of human slavery instead of trying to shave off and focus on the shinier pieces as if they were the whole.
So-- I kind of get this, Mr. Ronin, and you might have noticed in my "wispy" descriptions of the prospect of being enslaved that I didn't exactly look at it as a good thing.
That's understatement, by the way. You tend to describe it as downplaying.
But there's another issue in play, here, Mr. Ronin: my experience with slavery has (ironically, given where I live) mostly been with people who've been captured by the Blood Raiders or bought by Mr. Nauplius-- cases where the violence and horror would be hard to overstate.
(He's been better lately?)
See, the thing is, you talk about slavery as something awful by its nature, and I think you're not wrong, and then you talk about the Amarrian belief that they're helping their slaves as pure delusion and propaganda to cover up the brutality, and I think you're not quite right about that.
I've seen brutality in Amarrian slave-taking and management that made me grit my teeth, but I've also seen Amarr get angry at the same things. It's a betrayal, to many Amarr, of what they see as a sacred trust.
And then I see how the Sani treat their slaves. ... so far, I've never seen an Amarrian drinking blood from a captive with a sippy-straw. The basic rule is: the captors have won the right to do absolutely anything they want to by the simple fact that their victims don't have the power to stop them. That's not a subtext. It's not a nasty undercurrent showing its face in more or less subtle ways. It's the rule.
And then there's Mr. Nauplius, who, historically, has tried to put his captives through hell as literally as possible before (in his mind) sending them to the real one.
That's a distortion, you might say. A distraction. That's not what most slavery is. That's a fringe case, an extreme example that isn't representative of the real, banal horrors of slavery.
That's true. But it's also most of my contact with slaves-- tens of thousands of people recovered from Nauplius, most of them too wounded in body, mind, and spirit to probably ever return to normal life, in the Empire or anywhere else.
When I think of "Amarrian slave," I imagine someone who hasn't been subject to someone who uses an abolitionist's writup on the horrors of slavery as a "to do" checklist. Maybe that's distorting. Maybe I can't see clearly because of it. And I'm not particularly a fan, anyway. (Understatement, again.)
But that's my experience, Mr. Ronin. Maybe I haven't seen enough of how the Amarr practice slavery, but I've seen plenty of how others do.
It makes it a little hard to look at the Holders I know as some kind of avatars of ultimate evil. |
Anabella Rella
Gradient Electus Matari
2317
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Posted - 2016.12.02 17:11:51 -
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I think you're far too close to the slavers to be an objective arbiter of this subject Pilot Jenneth.
When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.
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Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
2690
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Posted - 2016.12.02 17:14:21 -
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Anabella Rella wrote:I think you're far too close to the slavers to be an objective arbiter of this subject Pilot Jenneth. Probably. Did I seem to be offering to arbitrate? |
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