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Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
1726
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Posted - 2017.01.11 23:29:40 -
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Arrendis wrote:Deitra Vess wrote:Two. Sorry its off topic, but aren't drifter battleships immune to ewar effects? I really could be wrong on that... Nope. Webs, points, tracking disruption, painters, they all work. Ahh, thanks and sorry for the interuption |
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
2839
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Posted - 2017.01.11 23:31:55 -
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Matar Ronin wrote:Her new friends might not feel so safe flying with her if she dared to say that Minmatar people will take their freedom if it's not given to them. Speaking as one of those friends, (1) Ali, in particular, isn't especially new (though her devotion to the Amarrian faith is, a bit); (2) if you want to hear Arrendis wax sharp-tongued about the Amarr, ask her opinion of "God" (and expect to be there a while); (3) both SERAPH and, especially, ARC employ pilots from diverse backgrounds, including pilots formally at war with one another. The Drifters are too large an issue, and pilots willing to face them too rare, for us to be very finicky about who we'll fly with. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2873
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Posted - 2017.01.11 23:41:45 -
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Matar Ronin wrote: Arrendis because of where she firmly keeps her head planted is unable to publicly address a scenario where the Minmatar might forcibly obtain their freedom from the slavery cultists even though history proves beyond doubt the great majority of freed Minmatar are free because they beat off the slavery cultists. Just a historical fact that her politics disable her from voicing. Her new friends might not feel so safe flying with her if she dared to say that Minmatar people will take their freedom if it's not given to them.
No, I just feelGÇöas I've illustratedGÇöthat the parallels aren't there. Moreover, which 'politics' do you think keep me from saying that yes, the vast majority of free Matari are free because of the Rebellion?
Because dude, the vast majority of free Matari are free because of the Rebellion, because their ancestors killed the people who wanted them to not be free, and drove those people out of what is now Republic space.
Driving people out of an area is a very, very different thing than convincing them to change. Are you seriously suggesting that you're going to drive the Amarr off of, let's see, EVERY world in the Amarr Empire? It's not like the Rebellion produced a huge class of Amarr Holders in Republic space that just... you know... don't have slaves. That's not what happened.
So: you say you're modelling your projections on the Great Rebellion. What's your end-game? What are the conditions you see prevailing after you win? Where are the Amarr in all of this?
Because unless the answer is 'dead, or pushed out of all of their space', your predictions don't even match your model. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2873
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Posted - 2017.01.11 23:45:51 -
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And just to have it said, if you're end-game victory condition for all this is 'All the Amarr are dead', well, I don't think you can pull it off, but at least you're being logically consistent.
And, you know, kinda exactly the sort of monster you're justifiably raging against.
So I hope that's not your victory-condition here. But if it is, well, I withdraw the 'not consistent' objection. |
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
2839
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Posted - 2017.01.12 00:04:26 -
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Arrendis wrote:And just to have it said, if you're end-game victory condition for all this is 'All the Amarr are dead', well, I don't think you can pull it off, but at least you're being logically consistent.
And, you know, kinda exactly the sort of monster you're justifiably raging against.
So I hope that's not your victory-condition here. But if it is, well, I withdraw the 'not consistent' objection. I'd rather not be dead. Just, for the record.
Technically of course, I'm not Amarr, but what kills the Praefecta would probably get me, too, and I'd also rather most of the people close to me didn't die, and it's getting a little hard to distinguish me from them anyway unless you look kind of closely.
Yes. Genocidal ending not preferred. |
Mizhara Del'thul
Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition
1056
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Posted - 2017.01.12 00:09:10 -
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Damn, I spend a couple of hours reading a softcore porn/romance back to back and you guys fill entire pages about a hypothetical fleet of drifter equipped guerilla fighters in Empire space. I can't tell which of us spent their time poorly.
The long and short of it is that you're both somewhat right and almost completely wrong. You both started at an adversarial position and then just bloody dug in further with every post. When you both start cherry picking the adversary's posts for the bits you can argue against the hardest while ignoring the reasonable parts, you've both now ended up so far away from reasonable standpoints that you can't even sodding see them from where you are.
Untangling the useful and good bits from either, not to mention both of your posts would be a herculean task that'd keep me here the entire night, so let's just do a quick and dirty summary here:
Arrendis, stop being a querulous **** trying to score cheap points by batting at low hanging fruit with far too much text. You are - or at least have the potential of being - better than that and you know it. You don't need to have the last word and you don't have to exacerbate the argument by encouraging the worst in others with bait, and needless taunts. This is the kind of 'u mad bro' thing people find so annoying with the Goons' outward image, only written in a way that makes the word smug feel a bit tame. There are far better targets for that than him. Your arguments hold their own on their own merit, there is no need to make them less convincing through :smug: and condescension.
Ronin, take it down a few notches. You bit very hard on bait that was barely intentional and then doubled down on every post afterwards. This argument over the last two pages lasted at least five pages longer than it should have, being based on a rather silly hypothetical in the first place. You're not conforming to the standards you ask your opponent to abide by, and you're disregarding very sound arguments and instead focusing solely on the parts you can argue against yourself. Something you're also accusing her of doing - correctly I might add, but glass houses etc - as well. I would also be a bit less eager to ascribe the other person quite as many qualities when you barely know the other. That last one goes for the both of you.
The argument itself is silly, and you both take a ridiculous extreme stance on it. Yes, if we got ahold of Drifter tech I can assure you some Matari guerilla warfare, hit and run tactics and clever traps would take a relatively heavy toll on the Empire. We've already kicked their teeth in a few times, once stopped only because of - what seems to have been - a superweapon of some sort that rivaled or surpassed the Keepstar "Doomsday" weapon. It would not defeat the Empire, as nothing short of a full invasion by at least two of New Eden's nations could possibly do enough damage and hold the field. It might be enough to get them to talk terms, however. Might. Possibly. Maybe. All these ships might also turn into a few lightseconds long smears in space because people have figured out the weaknesses of these ships while flown by Drifters already and the Empire laughs condescendingly at the silly tribal heathens playing with alien toys.
So with that out of the way, how about you two stop making enemies out of each other over something this bloody childish? You're both making yourselves look a damn sight worse than I know both of you are, to the point where I'm starting to doubt my own judgment on the matter. In fact, I'm going to go ahead and say you're both actually this daft. Now prove me wrong, damn it. Spirits blind me, yes I'm asking you to kiss and make up. Preferably as an analogy but sod it, you guys do you, however you take that.
Oh and before the inevitable 'no u' posts: I am well aware I possess many of the bad habits and qualities I just called out. That's one of the reasons I recognize them.
Spirits below, if a tenth of this effort went towards the enemy of our people the Empire would have been a smoking ruin by now. |
Matar Ronin
3694
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Posted - 2017.01.12 00:10:59 -
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Arrendis wrote:And just to have it said, if you're end-game victory condition for all this is 'All the Amarr are dead', well, I don't think you can pull it off, but at least you're being logically consistent.
And, you know, kinda exactly the sort of monster you're justifiably raging against.
So I hope that's not your victory-condition here. But if it is, well, I withdraw the 'not consistent' objection. I will happily be inconsistent before I'd advocate genocide.
I have no desire, wish, or ambition to see all amarrians killed because their culture is controlled by slavery cultists. I want abolition and for the imperials to stand on their own feet pay the people a fair decent living wage and be civilized and not just technological barbarians.
Do not get me wrong that does not diminish my current will to slay each and everyone I encounter in Republic space flying in one of their Naval vessels.
GÇÿVain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.GÇÖ
" We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2874
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Posted - 2017.01.12 00:16:49 -
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Mizhara Del'thul wrote:Damn, I spend a couple of hours reading a softcore porn/romance back to back and you guys fill entire pages about a hypothetical fleet of drifter equipped guerilla fighters in Empire space. I can't tell which of us spent their time poorly.
Pretty sure we did.
Quote: Arrendis, stop being a querulous **** trying to score cheap points by batting at low hanging fruit with far too much text. You are - or at least have the potential of being - better than that and you know it. You don't need to have the last word and you don't have to exacerbate the argument by encouraging the worst in others with bait, and needless taunts. This is the kind of 'u mad bro' thing people find so annoying with the Goons' outward image, only written in a way that makes the word smug feel a bit tame. There are far better targets for that than him. Your arguments hold their own on their own merit, there is no need to make them less convincing through :smug: and condescension.
Tol'ja she knows me better'n you, Ronin. ;)
You're right, Miz, I got carried away, and I shouldn't have. My bad.
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Matar Ronin
3694
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Posted - 2017.01.12 00:27:20 -
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Mizhara Del'thul wrote:Damn, I spend a couple of hours reading a softcore porn/romance back to back and you guys fill entire pages about a hypothetical fleet of drifter equipped guerilla fighters in Empire space. I can't tell which of us spent their time poorly.
The long and short of it is that you're both somewhat right and almost completely wrong. You both started at an adversarial position and then just bloody dug in further with every post. When you both start cherry picking the adversary's posts for the bits you can argue against the hardest while ignoring the reasonable parts, you've both now ended up so far away from reasonable standpoints that you can't even sodding see them from where you are.
Untangling the useful and good bits from either, not to mention both of your posts would be a herculean task that'd keep me here the entire night, so let's just do a quick and dirty summary here:
Arrendis, stop being a querulous **** trying to score cheap points by batting at low hanging fruit with far too much text. You are - or at least have the potential of being - better than that and you know it. You don't need to have the last word and you don't have to exacerbate the argument by encouraging the worst in others with bait, and needless taunts. This is the kind of 'u mad bro' thing people find so annoying with the Goons' outward image, only written in a way that makes the word smug feel a bit tame. There are far better targets for that than him. Your arguments hold their own on their own merit, there is no need to make them less convincing through :smug: and condescension.
Ronin, take it down a few notches. You bit very hard on bait that was barely intentional and then doubled down on every post afterwards. This argument over the last two pages lasted at least five pages longer than it should have, being based on a rather silly hypothetical in the first place. You're not conforming to the standards you ask your opponent to abide by, and you're disregarding very sound arguments and instead focusing solely on the parts you can argue against yourself. Something you're also accusing her of doing - correctly I might add, but glass houses etc - as well. I would also be a bit less eager to ascribe the other person quite as many qualities when you barely know the other. That last one goes for the both of you.
The argument itself is silly, and you both take a ridiculous extreme stance on it. Yes, if we got ahold of Drifter tech I can assure you some Matari guerilla warfare, hit and run tactics and clever traps would take a relatively heavy toll on the Empire. We've already kicked their teeth in a few times, once stopped only because of - what seems to have been - a superweapon of some sort that rivaled or surpassed the Keepstar "Doomsday" weapon. It would not defeat the Empire, as nothing short of a full invasion by at least two of New Eden's nations could possibly do enough damage and hold the field. It might be enough to get them to talk terms, however. Might. Possibly. Maybe. All these ships might also turn into a few lightseconds long smears in space because people have figured out the weaknesses of these ships while flown by Drifters already and the Empire laughs condescendingly at the silly tribal heathens playing with alien toys.
So with that out of the way, how about you two stop making enemies out of each other over something this bloody childish? You're both making yourselves look a damn sight worse than I know both of you are, to the point where I'm starting to doubt my own judgment on the matter. In fact, I'm going to go ahead and say you're both actually this daft. Now prove me wrong, damn it. Spirits blind me, yes I'm asking you to kiss and make up. Preferably as an analogy but sod it, you guys do you, however you take that.
Oh and before the inevitable 'no u' posts: I am well aware I possess many of the bad habits and qualities I just called out. That's one of the reasons I recognize them.
Spirits below, if a tenth of this effort went towards the enemy of our people the Empire would have been a smoking ruin by now. Can not argue with a lot of what you said here. I like crossing verbal swords with Arrendis she is quite good when she stays on point. When she purposely wanders into the absurd I admit it pisses me off because instead of proving points she tries scoring points. I readily admit once the hook is in your cheek your remaining options are limited to pulling the fisherman off the boat or ending up a filet.
Nonetheless I think people who followed might have seen a new point or two that would give them food for thought.
GÇÿVain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.GÇÖ
" We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.
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Mizhara Del'thul
Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition
1057
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Posted - 2017.01.12 00:40:29 -
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Close enough, now ki... okay no. Just don't post at each other for a while. |
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2874
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Posted - 2017.01.12 00:42:34 -
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Mizhara Del'thul wrote:Close enough, now ki... okay no.
You know that never works. But at least he's stopped trying to give me his meat. That contract of long-limbed roe was just weird. |
Matar Ronin
3694
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Posted - 2017.01.12 00:46:30 -
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R O "S" E, chivalry is not dead. lol
GÇÿVain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.GÇÖ
" We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2874
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Posted - 2017.01.12 01:04:25 -
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ROES! IT WAS DEER!! FROZEN DEER! I mean, we're talkin' Nauplius-levels of creepy. |
Matar Ronin
3694
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Posted - 2017.01.12 01:10:41 -
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I wonder if having the last word is so important? Let's test and see.
GÇÿVain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.GÇÖ
" We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.
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Mizhara Del'thul
Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition
1060
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Posted - 2017.01.12 01:12:17 -
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Oh for... |
Matar Ronin
3694
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Posted - 2017.01.12 02:41:46 -
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This thread has surged past 13k views!
Thank you to all the active participants it remains one of the most viewed threads on IGS because of you.
GÇÿVain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.GÇÖ
" We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.
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Ria NieyIi
924
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Posted - 2017.01.12 02:43:21 -
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Words have a life of their own. Sometimes, you just can't atop, as evidenced by this very thread. |
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
1726
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Posted - 2017.01.12 02:47:56 -
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Last "word" |
morion
Lighting Build
178
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Posted - 2017.01.12 07:42:45 -
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a paltry one trillion isk to pave the streets with rainbows seems festive.
i don't reader well. sweet 16 YC122-YC123 123
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Matar Ronin
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Posted - 2017.01.12 10:03:26 -
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It is amazing the hoops some people will jump through to avoid admitting a single letter mistake. Typos happen but the deep rooted inability to acknowledge a mistake is quite stunning. I will have to look it up and find out what the exact medical term is for that specific psychological disorder.
GÇÿVain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.GÇÖ
" We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.
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Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
2249
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Posted - 2017.01.12 15:17:58 -
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Matar Ronin wrote:It is amazing the hoops some people will jump through to avoid admitting a single letter mistake. Typos happen but the deep rooted inability to acknowledge a mistake is quite stunning. I will have to look it up and find out what the exact medical term is for that specific psychological disorder. I believe that it's known as "trolling"...
Either that or someone is a stickler for proper grammar.
A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
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Maria Daphiti
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
216
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Posted - 2017.01.12 16:53:38 -
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Matar Ronin wrote:I wonder if having the last word is so important? Let's test and see.
Always!
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Tyrel Toov
Non-Hostile Target
900
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Posted - 2017.01.12 21:40:34 -
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Maria Daphiti wrote:Matar Ronin wrote:I wonder if having the last word is so important? Let's test and see. Always! Never!
I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
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Matar Ronin
3705
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Posted - 2017.01.13 01:11:24 -
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Tyrel Toov wrote:Maria Daphiti wrote:Matar Ronin wrote:I wonder if having the last word is so important? Let's test and see. Always! Never! Thanks to you both for making me smile!
GÇÿVain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.GÇÖ
" We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.
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Ria NieyIi
925
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Posted - 2017.01.13 05:11:30 -
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Claudia Osyn wrote:Matar Ronin wrote:It is amazing the hoops some people will jump through to avoid admitting a single letter mistake. Typos happen but the deep rooted inability to acknowledge a mistake is quite stunning. I will have to look it up and find out what the exact medical term is for that specific psychological disorder. I believe that it's known as "trolling"... Either that or someone is a stickler for proper grammar.
Proper grammar and spelling are cruicial building blocks of modern society. |
Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
1882
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Posted - 2017.01.13 05:46:08 -
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Ria NieyIi wrote:Claudia Osyn wrote:Matar Ronin wrote:It is amazing the hoops some people will jump through to avoid admitting a single letter mistake. Typos happen but the deep rooted inability to acknowledge a mistake is quite stunning. I will have to look it up and find out what the exact medical term is for that specific psychological disorder. I believe that it's known as "trolling"... Either that or someone is a stickler for proper grammar. Proper grammar and spelling are cruicial building blocks of modern society.
Darn Grammar Provists can't even spell 'crucial' right!
A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
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Window Licker McTard
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2017.01.13 05:54:21 -
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hey! can I come on your combat roam??? my buds left me at station. again
I'm a special elite ganker, Codes finest warrior bard druid. I gank as much as possible cause I'm good. Don't mess with me minor, i'll mess with you harder.
I have no honor.
Dommy and Sasha are my wingmen and have my backside.
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Matar Ronin
3705
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Posted - 2017.01.13 06:37:35 -
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Oh my.
GÇÿVain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.GÇÖ
" We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.
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Kolodi Ramal
Sanxing
303
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Posted - 2017.01.13 10:09:02 -
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Tyrel Toov wrote:Maria Daphiti wrote:Matar Ronin wrote:I wonder if having the last word is so important? Let's test and see. Always! Never! Maybe! |
Tyrel Toov
Non-Hostile Target
901
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Posted - 2017.01.13 13:50:10 -
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Kolodi Ramal wrote:Tyrel Toov wrote:Maria Daphiti wrote:Matar Ronin wrote:I wonder if having the last word is so important? Let's test and see. Always! Never! Maybe! Nope
I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
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