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ptmpredator
Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.19 00:56:00 -
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i know its made of paper, what should i fit for damage and what type of shield extender, any mwds? -------------- The Enemys Gate is Up!
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Vaine Amarr
Amarr Upright Citizens Brigade
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Posted - 2007.03.19 01:02:00 -
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Caldari - Tank - Solo pvp
Pick 2
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Shaemell Buttleson
Darwin With Attitude
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Posted - 2007.03.19 01:08:00 -
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Edited by: Shaemell Buttleson on 19/03/2007 01:05:08 First of all I'd like to say it's rubbish they are paper thin as its easy to give them the shields of a tier 1 BS.
Try assault launchers in the highs.
In the mids use 2 large shield extenders, MWD, warp disruptor and any other midslot mod you want. Tracking disruptors are nice or even a webber. A sensor booster is another good option as well just for a better lock time.
In the lows use 2 BCU's for a little extra punch. Try shield cap relays for a fairly reasonable passive tank or cap relays so the MWD doesn't drain the cap as fast.
It all fits with skills whether named, T1 or T2.
It has a decent passive tank, eats T1/T2 frigs for dinner and can take on other cruisers solo. If anyone disagrees then they are fools who haven't taken on a caracal pilot with decent skills and a PVP fit and have only ganked noobs in a ratting setup possibly even in a gang.
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Dethis
Caldari Obliteration Unlimited
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Posted - 2007.03.19 01:36:00 -
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You will mostly get eaten alive by competent pilots in anything bigger then a frigate/destroyer.
Solo isn't caldari's strong point. -------- Kill em all and let god sort em out
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Valandril
Caldari Resurrection R i s e
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Posted - 2007.03.19 03:24:00 -
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Originally by: Shaemell Buttleson It has a decent passive tank, eats T1/T2 frigs for dinner and can take on other cruisers solo. If anyone disagrees then they are fools who haven't taken on a caracal pilot with decent skills and a PVP fit and have only ganked noobs in a ratting setup possibly even in a gang.
I disagree and challenge your caracal. T1 or t2 setups ? --------
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DeathWarrior
Caldari Middle School Comedy Club
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Posted - 2007.03.19 04:26:00 -
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Originally by: Valandril
Originally by: Shaemell Buttleson It has a decent passive tank, eats T1/T2 frigs for dinner and can take on other cruisers solo. If anyone disagrees then they are fools who haven't taken on a caracal pilot with decent skills and a PVP fit and have only ganked noobs in a ratting setup possibly even in a gang.
I disagree and challenge your caracal. T1 or t2 setups ?
Yeah T1 or T2?
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Crescens
Caldari Explosions Inc.
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Posted - 2007.03.19 10:01:00 -
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The Caracal is THE ultimate inty hunter. Every idiot that tries to acive tank one, every month-old Achura that gets themselves blown up ratting in Lonetrek, helps to propagate the myth that 'Caracal = paper'. This doesn't need to be the case and you can punish even small groups of ceptor pilots for thinking that by blowing them away with two volleys of precision bloodclaws while they try to eat through 9000 or so shield hp.
Shaemell's (hi shae ) already posted a really good setup - even with a completely t1 fit you can easily wipe away any frigate and many cruisers who mistake you for an easy, 'paper-thin' target.
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Valandril
Caldari Resurrection R i s e
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Posted - 2007.03.19 11:03:00 -
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Originally by: Crescens The Caracal is THE ultimate inty hunter. Every idiot that tries to acive tank one, every month-old Achura that gets themselves blown up ratting in Lonetrek, helps to propagate the myth that 'Caracal = paper'. This doesn't need to be the case and you can punish even small groups of ceptor pilots for thinking that by blowing them away with two volleys of precision bloodclaws while they try to eat through 9000 or so shield hp.
Shaemell's (hi shae ) already posted a really good setup - even with a completely t1 fit you can easily wipe away any frigate and many cruisers who mistake you for an easy, 'paper-thin' target.
Wait u actualy fitted t2 stuff on caracal ... ? And it can't pick on any cruiser pilot who know what to do... --------
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Deimos Regal
Soar Angelic
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Posted - 2007.03.19 11:22:00 -
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Originally by: Shaemell Buttleson Edited by: Shaemell Buttleson on 19/03/2007 01:05:08 First of all I'd like to say it's rubbish they are paper thin as its easy to give them the shields of a tier 1 BS.
Try assault launchers in the highs.
In the mids use 2 large shield extenders, MWD, warp disruptor and any other midslot mod you want. Tracking disruptors are nice or even a webber. A sensor booster is another good option as well just for a better lock time.
In the lows use 2 BCU's for a little extra punch. Try shield cap relays for a fairly reasonable passive tank or cap relays so the MWD doesn't drain the cap as fast.
It all fits with skills whether named, T1 or T2.
It has a decent passive tank, eats T1/T2 frigs for dinner and can take on other cruisers solo. If anyone disagrees then they are fools who haven't taken on a caracal pilot with decent skills and a PVP fit and have only ganked noobs in a ratting setup possibly even in a gang.
With that fit, anything with EM damage (Amarr or Minnie) will eat your shields like they were candy. and once through your shields, your armor is paper thin. The Caracal is a good gang DPS ship, but fails at solo work. You will have to choose your targets carefully.
As for the soloing cruisers thing? I highly doubt the Caracal could take anything other than a mining cruiser solo.
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kill0rbunny
Chimera Chaos Squadron Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.19 11:37:00 -
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Edited by: kill0rbunny on 19/03/2007 11:35:58 Edited by: kill0rbunny on 19/03/2007 11:33:54 Caracal is not that nice for solo work as it is too slow and relies on it's med slots for tanking stuff.
But it is great to have in a gank squad with 3 dampeners, Large Shield Extender, Ballistic Control, power Diag, Sensor Booster and HAMs.
Gang up with some inties, and maybe another cara or manti fitted this way and pwn stuff.
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Shaemell Buttleson
Darwin With Attitude
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Posted - 2007.03.19 12:30:00 -
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1) Damn right I'd put T2 gear on a Caracal. PPL fit it on other T1 cruisers all the time (Stabber with T2 220mm)
2) Sure other cruisers can pop a Caracal, I never said they cannot. I said the setup I posted can solo other cruisers (as proven many a time by pilots I know). It will wtfpwn other frigates as well even small groups of them T1 or T2.
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Liang Nuren
Red 42 CORE.
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Posted - 2007.03.19 18:58:00 -
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I couldn't find the setup that Shameal posted in the ship index, but I'd be really interested in trying my Vexor out vs it. I know that when we have caracals in our gangs, we usually have them warp to 80km, and I warp in to 0 for the tackle. Awesome damage from caracals.
Liang
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Thaer
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Posted - 2007.03.19 22:27:00 -
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Ok, so I got pointed here from another thread - this is the solo pvp caracal setup I've come up with(not the same I posted in the other thread):
SV-2000 Assault Missile Bay SV-2000 Assault Missile Bay SV-2000 Assault Missile Bay SV-2000 Assault Missile Bay Medium 'Knave' I Energy Drain
Stasis Webifier I Stasis Webifier I Warp Disruptor I Photon Scattering Field I Large Shield Extender I
Capacitor Power Relay I Ballistic Control System I
It's supposed to go up against miners, frigates and other cruisers in belt hunting and solo piracy.
The idea is this: Get into 10km scramble them and put up both webs and orbit at 10km to stay out of blaster range. Use the NOS so you can sustain both webs and the scramble and your Photon Scattering Field if needed.
* Choose one NOS over the last Assault Launcher because I want to be able to sustain all modules I need to kill them if the fight drags out. * 2 x Webber should even put people with MWDs of me, they should also make me able to warp out if needed since most people I think use the 7.5km scramblers? * PSF to be able to take more EM damage with my shield
I'm new to this game, so I probably made some major mistakes putting this setup together , comments?
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WildSide
Toys R Us
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Posted - 2007.03.19 22:39:00 -
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Originally by: Thaer
* 2 x Webber should even put people with MWDs of me, they should also make me able to warp out if needed since most people I think use the 7.5km scramblers? * PSF to be able to take more EM damage with my shield [/i]
I'm new to this game, so I probably made some major mistakes putting this setup together , comments?
wrong..unless u fly ceptor or anything else with low cap u go for 20k scram. fitting 7.5k scram an anything else is just bad. maybe as 2nd scram..but still I normaly prefer 2x 20k scram before 1x20k+1x7.5k scram. I also still prefer using 20k scram on my ceptor and turn it on/off..during the fight. 7.5k scram means u have to get withing web range of any ship to scramble it. agains a domi or something its sucide.
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Thaer
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Posted - 2007.03.19 22:47:00 -
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Edited by: Thaer on 19/03/2007 22:45:53 Edited by: Thaer on 19/03/2007 22:45:07 Ok, I got this now:
Note: This is for taking on blaster rigged cruisers/frigs (and miners) (), as I seem to run in thoraxes and the likes all the time - mostly blaster rigged.
SV-2000 Assault Missile Bay SV-2000 Assault Missile Bay SV-2000 Assault Missile Bay SV-2000 Assault Missile Bay Medium 'Knave' I Energy Drain
Warp Disruptor I Large Shield Extender I X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator(86.5% web) X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator(86.5% web) Tracking Disruptor I
Ballistic Control System I Ballistic Control System I
Same idea as before, better webs now and added a tracking disruptor. Better? Worse? (I Dropped the Photon Scattering Field, I know it's very nice to have but I don't have the skills for it yet.)
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Crescens
Caldari Explosions Inc.
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Posted - 2007.03.19 22:53:00 -
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Still a few problems with your fit Thaer: 1. You have no modules that take up any serious cap, so the cap power relay in low is wasted. The medium nos in high is taking up valuable fitting space and, more importantly, takes away a chunk of your dps. Using assault launchers you'll need every ounce of damage you can get to break cruiser tanks, so I'd say use 5 assault launchers and 2 ballistic controls to get enough damage. 2. You've got a lot of free powergrid on this setup. The photon scattering field will reduce the EM damage you take by a half, whereas a second large extender would almost double your hp, while also improving your max shield recharge, giving you a far stronger tank than the hardner. If you're not using a speed mod, then I'd say a third extender instead of the second web. Anything faster than you that doesn't want to fight won't come into web range in the first place, and even with two webbers you can't be sure you'll bring a target to a full stop before they're on top of you. Even if you do stop them, there's no guarantee that you won't be out of the range of them or their drones, so they could still be able to hurtyou. I think you'll find another extender, a mwd, sensor booster or some sort of ew to be more useful in the last mid, depending on your skills/situation.
Hope that helps
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Trillian Mcmillan
Cry Me A River Inc.
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Posted - 2007.03.19 23:01:00 -
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Originally by: Thaer Edited by: Thaer on 19/03/2007 22:45:53 Edited by: Thaer on 19/03/2007 22:45:07 Ok, I got this now:
Note: This is for taking on blaster rigged cruisers/frigs (and miners) (), as I seem to run in thoraxes and the likes all the time - mostly blaster rigged.
SV-2000 Assault Missile Bay SV-2000 Assault Missile Bay SV-2000 Assault Missile Bay SV-2000 Assault Missile Bay Medium 'Knave' I Energy Drain
Warp Disruptor I Large Shield Extender I X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator(86.5% web) X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator(86.5% web) Tracking Disruptor I
Ballistic Control System I Ballistic Control System I
Same idea as before, better webs now and added a tracking disruptor. Better? Worse? (I Dropped the Photon Scattering Field, I know it's very nice to have but I don't have the skills for it yet.)
A "blaster rigged cruiser", i assume you mean a Thorax, will MWD straight towards you and eat you alive. You have no way of keeping out of his range. Yes, i did notice the double web and, no, it wont be enough. The dps of a blaster boat is just too high to tank once it gets into rng. And it will get into range againts your setup. I am really not sure if the single unbonused tracking disruptor will be enough to make a Thorax suffer at point blank rng vs your slow (no speed mods), large (large extender fitted) caracal (caldari ship-slow and large even by defoult). I doubt it...
I am not sure what you mean by a "blaster rigged frigate" but your setup should kill any frig which gets in your web rng. If they decide to run before that they will get away.
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goodby4u
Logistic Technologies Incorporated Free Trade Coalition
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Posted - 2007.03.19 23:08:00 -
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Given caracals are for longrangeish gang ships...But they can solo,ive seen them rip into cruisers with ALOT of damage with holding a good passive tank...Heres one.
2x large shield 20km scram mwd and webber
Duel bcus
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madaluap
Gallente Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2007.03.19 23:23:00 -
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Edited by: madaluap on 19/03/2007 23:20:25 5* heavy 2
2* lse 2 1* warp dis 2 1* invul 2 1* em hardener(invul) 2
1* grid or cpumod (not sure) 2 1* bcu or damagecontrol 2
Think that was the setup.
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Famine Aligher'ri
V i L e DREAD.
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Posted - 2007.03.20 01:35:00 -
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Hehe just posted in a caracal thread, so still copy and paste it.
Quote:
Caracal
Heavy Missile Launcher II Heavy Missile Launcher II Heavy Missile Launcher II Heavy Missile Launcher II Heavy Missile Launcher II
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Warp Disruptor II Phased Muon Sensor Disruptor I Phased Muon Sensor Disruptor I Phased Muon Sensor Disruptor I
Ballistic Control System II Local Hull Conversion Nanofiber Structure I
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