Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 [6] :: one page |
|
Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 4 post(s) |
Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
2976
|
Posted - 2016.09.27 16:34:16 -
[151] - Quote
Time to dock Rorquals and hoard them inside Astrahus?
FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."
Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."
|
Keyran Tyler
Bionesis Technologies
7
|
Posted - 2016.09.29 15:32:32 -
[152] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:The intended design is that Rorquals should have the same docking access as normal sized capital ships like the carrier, dread and force aux classes.
#SaveTheWhales Rorqual owner speaking.
I don't understand why you are putting the Rorqual in the same category than combat capital. What is "normal sized" for you ? Mass ? Volume ? Long Axis ? Capital Jump Drive ? Going to high sec ability ?
- If you use the mass (kg), Rorqual is clearly the bigger of the non combat ships. But who care of mass in a space station with antigravity in ship hangar ?
- If you use the volume (m-¦), all the freighters are bigger.
- If you use long axis (M), Bowhead is longuer.
- If you use Capital Jump Drive inside of the ship, all JF and Blops have few of them.
- If you use the Going to high sec ability, it is incoherent because Astrahus could be anchored in LS and 0.0.
So, you should leave the Rorqual dock in Astrahus ... and authorize it to go in High Sec. It is the only way to make it really attractive. This interdiction dating from the creation of the ship was logicl when capital could not use stargates. This is no longer the case. Empires prohibiting access to combat capital is logic, but it is not for Rorqual because it is an industrial ship.
Your change planned for November have not convinced me to get out more often than twice a year with that ship.
|
TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
1729
|
Posted - 2016.10.05 20:33:40 -
[153] - Quote
Queloor Zefram wrote:Cost of building a rorqual in a wormhole: Let us assume in the order of magnitude of 2 bil
Cost for a large pos setup in a wormhole: Let us assume in the order of magnitude of 1 bil
Cost of a fortizar: Let us assume in the order of magnitude of 12 bil
So one could have built a rorqual in a wormhole even as a smaller wormhole group without problems and operate it there with ease.
Once pos towers are gone and once a rorqual cannot dock in an Astrahus anymore all those groups will be buggered by CCP's change of game mechanics because of the fairly different amounts of costs comparing a fortizar with a large pos.
Or just use one of the other 5 new structures that are going to be added to the game and will be significantly cheaper than a Fortizar.
My YouTube Channel - EVE Tutorials & other game related things!
My Website - Blogs, Livestreams & Forums
|
ShadowFirestar
The Walking Deads V. O. I. D.
1
|
Posted - 2016.10.11 08:46:36 -
[154] - Quote
Why did you delay till November when the November patch does nothing to change or help this problem? |
ShadowFirestar
The Walking Deads V. O. I. D.
1
|
Posted - 2016.10.11 08:50:33 -
[155] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:Hey folks. We've got a bug fix in the pipeline that I think is especially important to draw your attention to ahead of time. At the moment Rorquals can dock in Astrahus medium citadels, which is a bug. They actually even use the frigate undock port. The intended design is that Rorquals should have the same docking access as normal sized capital ships like the carrier, dread and force aux classes. We're fixing this bug at some point in the future which means that Rorquals will no longer be able to dock in Astrahus citadels. Even though this is a fairly simple bug fix, I wanted to create a sticky thread just to make sure that there was some visibility for it ahead of the normal patch notes. I'd like to avoid people getting surprised by this fix as much as possible. We're working on the dev blog for the big Rorqual changes coming in November, and that will be ready for everyone soon. Thanks! :Edit: Updated the post to indicate that we're delaying this particular fix until after the October release. CCP Fozzie wrote:Hey folks. We hear your concerns, and a good point has been raised by some that it's especially awkward to fix this bug a month before the actual Rorqual changes hit.
Although we can't leave this bug in place long-term (it's not within my power to leave the docking access as it is long-term since Astrahus citadels don't have the correct docking port for a Rorqual-sized ship), after some discussion internally we can delay the bug fix until at least November so that it doesn't hit before the Rorqual revamp. There are a number of changes in the pipeline that should help address some of the concerns here, although they're not at a stage where I'm able to provide exact release dates.
One change we are working towards is the ability to place items into your personal hangar in an Upwell structure from outside of that structure (within docking range). I'm not going to lie and tell you that we know exactly when that feature will be done, but it is on our roadmap.
In the meantime TL:DR is that we're delaying this fix for now, at least until November.
There are a number of changes in the pipeline that should help address some of the concerns here, although they're not at a stage where I'm able to provide exact release dates.
Where are these changes? Nothing in either of the indy blogs reflect this.
One thing that be nice at least for me. If some auto dump feature that you can toggle on and off that when your in range of a citadel it auto dumps the ore in your hold into the citadel. |
Aurra Jol
Upwell Research and Manufacturing Warped Intentions
14
|
Posted - 2016.10.11 16:46:51 -
[156] - Quote
So, capitals (Carriers, Force Auxillaries, Dreads, Rorqual) can dock in the Large citadel (Fortizar), but for the new Engineering Complexes are restricted and can only dock in the X-Large variant.
Is there a reason they can dock in a large for standard citadels, but cannot in the engineering complexes? |
Princess Adhara
University of Caille Gallente Federation
53
|
Posted - 2016.10.11 18:28:35 -
[157] - Quote
Aurra Jol wrote:Is there a reason they can dock in a large for standard citadels, but cannot in the engineering complexes?
From the dev blog:
Quote:These tighter docking restrictions are what allowed us to keep the price of Large and XL Engineering Complexes so much lower than their Citadel counterparts without causing major balance issues
|
Aurra Jol
Upwell Research and Manufacturing Warped Intentions
14
|
Posted - 2016.10.11 18:58:29 -
[158] - Quote
Princess Adhara wrote:Aurra Jol wrote:Is there a reason they can dock in a large for standard citadels, but cannot in the engineering complexes? From the dev blog: Quote:These tighter docking restrictions are what allowed us to keep the price of Large and XL Engineering Complexes so much lower than their Citadel counterparts without causing major balance issues
Fair enough, but all three sizes, including the medium are significantly lower than their citadel counterparts. It is reasonable to restrict carriers, dreads, and FAX's. However the rorqual is an industrial ship and can have a need to dock at a large. |
Heinrich Lenz
BRUTAL GENESIS GaNg BaNg TeAm
0
|
Posted - 2016.10.11 20:45:58 -
[159] - Quote
Aurra Jol wrote:Princess Adhara wrote:Aurra Jol wrote:Is there a reason they can dock in a large for standard citadels, but cannot in the engineering complexes? From the dev blog: Quote:These tighter docking restrictions are what allowed us to keep the price of Large and XL Engineering Complexes so much lower than their Citadel counterparts without causing major balance issues Fair enough, but all three sizes, including the medium are significantly lower than their citadel counterparts. It is reasonable to restrict carriers, dreads, and FAX's. However the rorqual is an industrial ship and can have a need to dock at a large.
I think that this will be going to be a big problem when the POS structures meet their end. Cuz now you can hide your Rorqual capital industrial ship in any POS but you can't dock in MEDIUm and LARGE Engineering stations. The result is that we need to buy Fortizar to dock our Rorquals or X-large Eng station(50bil). I am missing the point really.By the way the problem is the same with the Orca industrial ship! Please CCP think on this more seriously, the main industrial capital ships have to allowed to dock at least on the Large Engineering station. |
Aurra Jol
Upwell Research and Manufacturing Warped Intentions
14
|
Posted - 2016.10.11 20:50:15 -
[160] - Quote
Heinrich Lenz wrote:Aurra Jol wrote:Princess Adhara wrote:Aurra Jol wrote:Is there a reason they can dock in a large for standard citadels, but cannot in the engineering complexes? From the dev blog: Quote:These tighter docking restrictions are what allowed us to keep the price of Large and XL Engineering Complexes so much lower than their Citadel counterparts without causing major balance issues Fair enough, but all three sizes, including the medium are significantly lower than their citadel counterparts. It is reasonable to restrict carriers, dreads, and FAX's. However the rorqual is an industrial ship and can have a need to dock at a large. I think that this will be going to be a big problem when the POS structures meet their end. Cuz now you can hide your Rorqual capital industrial ship in any POS but you can't dock in MEDIUm and LARGE Engineering stations. The result is that we need to buy Fortizar to dock our Rorquals or X-large Eng station(50bil). I am missing the point really.By the way the problem is the same with the Orca industrial ship! Please CCP think on this more seriously, the main industrial capital ships have to allowed to dock at least on the Large Engineering station.
Exactly!
At this point, not critical as POS still exist in the game and you can store the ship in an POS module. Once POS are removed, you are forced into having an XL EC or M/L Citadel. |
|
Jalxan
Spoopy Newbies Brave Collective
42
|
Posted - 2016.10.12 16:14:25 -
[161] - Quote
This is something I discovered through this feedback thread, which regards the Rorqual and docking in Astrahus stations. I will be posting this in both this and the Rorqual revamp threads, as both are mutually exclusive, and should be read.
I strongly recommend, that the Rorqual be allowed to dock in the Astrahus. In addition, Rorquals, as they are not combat vessels, should be permitted to mine in High Sec space. Because the Rorqual is going through a rework, it is a perfect time to size the Rorqual to the approximate dimension of a Freighter, and since Freighters count as capital ships, and since they can dock in the Astrahus station, the Rorqual should as well. This is especially important, as Astrahus stations are known to be mining/refining stations, and it would severely hamper the Rorqual if it can't dock in a station that is designed to cater to it!
Thus, I'd like to see the Rorqual to be Freighter-sized, and capable of docking in the Astrahus, and undocking via its largest docking ports. Beyond that, I believe the new Rorqual is perfect. |
Trevize Demerzel
16
|
Posted - 2016.11.04 14:29:08 -
[162] - Quote
Here's a thought...
As a "fix" for this "bug"... Convert every Astrohaus into a Fortizar that has a Rorqual docked in it. Free of charge.
-
|
Leena Turos
The Black Crow Bandits Sarcos Federation
1
|
Posted - 2016.11.10 19:57:18 -
[163] - Quote
Just a thought. Should there not be consistency across all the structures whatever ship can dock at a small, docks at small industrial complex, same with medium, L and XL. Makes things really easy to understand for the alphas that will be coming and getting into alliances that then want to sub and move into bigger ships. And for the smaller corps that are in low or null sec they may not be able to safely house the Rorqual that already has a home at the Astrahus. If the only problem of the Astrahus is the fact that rorquals are undocking at the frigate undock. Why dont you make it so it undocks at the same undock as a freighter. Makes sense to me. |
Milla Goodpussy
Federal Navy Academy
465
|
Posted - 2016.11.11 04:28:40 -
[164] - Quote
can someone please tell me, what was the final decision on this thread? i mean he seemingly is avoiding putting out a detailed dev blog of these changes and more recent changes he posted on 11/8...so what is the final verdict of this thread
Can the Rorqual dock at a freaking medium or not?
its simple, its quick and can be answered with no further debate.
ccp you expect new folks to sign up for this game, yet you continue to keep some distorted logic that its "fun" searching for facts about what you can do and can not do in a sandbox game..please catch up with reality and resolve this matter.
|
Zappity
Horde Vanguard. Pandemic Horde
3054
|
Posted - 2016.11.11 20:01:18 -
[165] - Quote
Milla Goodpussy wrote:can someone please tell me, what was the final decision on this thread? i mean he seemingly is avoiding putting out a detailed dev blog of these changes and more recent changes he posted on 11/8...so what is the final verdict of this thread
Can the Rorqual dock at a freaking medium or not?
its simple, its quick and can be answered with no further debate.
ccp you expect new folks to sign up for this game, yet you continue to keep some distorted logic that its "fun" searching for facts about what you can do and can not do in a sandbox game..please catch up with reality and resolve this matter.
Yes today, no on Tuesday.
It will be ok once we have the ability to drop cargo into a structure.
Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.
|
Ncc 1709
Fusion Enterprises Ltd Badfellas Inc.
314
|
Posted - 2016.11.11 22:46:09 -
[166] - Quote
the whole reason for this change is to stop people droping an astraus in every belt and just farming the belts from the safety of dock range
|
Rholen Blunts
Wetardz Wit Weaponz Stoic Bastards
0
|
Posted - 2017.01.26 17:05:33 -
[167] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:Hey folks. We've got a bug fix in the pipeline that I think is especially important to draw your attention to ahead of time.
This discussion spurred some comments about rigs on existing citadels that would be removed at the release of ECs, did that ever go anywhere?, there's mention of it further down in this thread, and I recall seeing or hearing about it somewhere else. Can you clarify whether this is or isn't going to be done?, Thanks in advance Fozzie
R.B. |
Lugh Crow-Slave
3587
|
Posted - 2017.01.27 05:09:11 -
[168] - Quote
Queloor Zefram wrote:Cost of building a rorqual in a wormhole: Let us assume in the order of magnitude of 2 bil
Cost for a large pos setup in a wormhole: Let us assume in the order of magnitude of 1 bil
Cost of a fortizar: Let us assume in the order of magnitude of 12 bil
So one could have built a rorqual in a wormhole even as a smaller wormhole group without problems and operate it there with ease.
Once pos towers are gone and once a rorqual cannot dock in an Astrahus anymore all those groups will be buggered by CCP's change of game mechanics because of the fairly different amounts of costs comparing a fortizar with a large pos.
if you are not making 12b in a wh as a corp you are WHing wrong even when living in a C1 we could make 12b in under a month with as little as 6 pilots
BLOPS Hauler
|
The Dauphin
Dauphin Enterprises Inc.
0
|
Posted - 2017.04.02 14:51:51 -
[169] - Quote
Nerfing is not fixing. Fixing means making them undock properly.ls soon. One more fix on the Rorqual, and I am going to starting buying Rorqual cheap and reprocessing them into raw materials. |
Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
3053
|
Posted - 2017.04.02 16:59:48 -
[170] - Quote
Keyran Tyler wrote:I don't understand why you are putting the Rorqual in the same category than combat capital.
Aurra Jol wrote:So, capitals (Carriers, Force Auxillaries, Dreads, Rorqual) can dock in the Large citadel (Fortizar), but for the new Engineering Complexes are restricted and can only dock in the X-Large variant.
Is there a reason they can dock in a large for standard citadels, but cannot in the engineering complexes?
The Rorqual is an industrial force auxiliary, a combat capital. Of course it should be grouped with other combat capitals! Why is this a question? Freighters of all kinds are in the same size class but are not combat capable, that is why they are allowed into highsec and can dock where other capital ships cannot dock.
You need to see it this way: The Rorqual is not being blocked from docking; rather freighters are receiving a free pass for docking where they reasonably should not be able to. You want to dock a Rorqual at your large complex? Why not use an Orca instead?
FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."
Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."
|
|
|
|
|
Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 [6] :: one page |
First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |