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Lance Fighter
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Posted - 2007.03.20 02:14:00 -
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I recently have engaged in 1v1 PvP against a lachesis. I was in a Prophecy. He hit me with his sensor dampers, and I ended up with a lock range under 7 klicks. I had an original lock range of 55km or something. The battle ended as with my t1 hobgoblins pwning him.. but still. Should sensor dampers effect me that much ? From what I understand, a skilled sensor damper guy with the right ship will be able to do this, but it seems a bit comical to have to get within small weapons range to even LOCK this guy. The battle ended with him warping out, as my warp scram does not work without a sensor lock...
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Xori Ruscuv
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2007.03.20 02:16:00 -
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Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 20/03/2007 02:13:53 Yes.
If they didn't work at that range, they'd be pointless. That's 3+ dedicated midslots and a bunch of skills and a fairly spendy DEDICATED damping ship with very little defense to do that. VERY specialized.
Now, I can see making an argument for sensor damps not being as good as they are on UNBONUSED/UNSPECIALIZED ships.
But it was a Lachesis, for ****'s sake...
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SN3263827
The Black Rabbits Fatal Persuasion
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Posted - 2007.03.20 02:37:00 -
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Originally by: Xori Ruscuv That's 3+ dedicated midslots and a bunch of skills and a fairly spendy DEDICATED damping ship with very little defense to do that. VERY specialized.
Actually 2 best named/T2 damps will do 55k --> 6-7k with good skills.
I still agree though - a lachesis has 3 low slots on a ship belongong to a race of armour tankers. Its tank is its ECM, and tbh the lach pilot must really suck if he didn't use his drones to pop yours ASAP. You were lucky to survive. _____________________________________________
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Lance Fighter
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Posted - 2007.03.20 05:40:00 -
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lol he tried to shoot up my drones. He was too slow :P he had a set of hammerhead II's ... and warped away, leaving them behind. I found that the damage he was doing was minimal, however if the drones were added it might have been harder to tank it.
I dont understand how I was "lucky to survive" ... the local intel channel says they can beat any t2 cruiser with a BC ... score for them. |
Tulisin Dragonflame
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Posted - 2007.03.20 06:14:00 -
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Frankly I'm suprised that tech1 light drones could touch a ship with T2 resists, much less bring it down on their own, perhaps he wasn't utilizing the Lachesis' missile bonus. With seven medslots surely he should have a web to bring down T1 lights into killable range.
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Pinky Denmark
The Cursed Navy Apocalyptica.
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Posted - 2007.03.20 07:30:00 -
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1st off they only have half HAC-resists and secondly even if you tank them they are surprisingly weak... Maybe he wasn't even tanked to utilize the EW, and then a few drones gets nasty - probably nasty enough to forget his drones...
Sensor dampeners is a tricky size... In some situations they are totally overpowered and could as well have been ECM with a bit less range and 100% chance of jamming. In other sitations they don't really add anything to the situation.
The only thing I think is really really bad is the increased lock time from being dampened - I think it's a cool thing, but some nerfing would be required to avoid the perma-jam situations that occur (especially with drone ships) - I'm a nice guy!! and OMG I love Team Tuxford for the speedbalancing... |
James Adams
Minmatar CCCP INC
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Posted - 2007.03.20 10:21:00 -
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There's 2+ BCs I would fear in a Lachesis - those being the Drake (with FoF missiles), missile ferox (with same) and a Myrmidon with pre-launched drones. If I could dampen the Myrmidon before it had its drones out I could probably take that one too. All the others are flying scrap, which hasn't realized it's dead yet if it comes to 1on1 with a Lachesis...
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smallgreenblur
Minmatar Wreckless Abandon
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Posted - 2007.03.20 10:40:00 -
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I find it amusing that you survived. 1v1s with ew recon ships generally only have one ending.
sgb
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Sarah Trouble
Decadence. Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.03.20 11:01:00 -
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Edited by: Sarah Trouble on 20/03/2007 10:58:07
Originally by: smallgreenblur I find it amusing that you survived. 1v1s with ew recon ships generally only have one ending.
sgb
if ur talkin bout the amarr ones ur absolutely right
o/
sarah in trouble
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Mathias Orsen
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Posted - 2007.03.20 11:20:00 -
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Originally by: Sarah Trouble Edited by: Sarah Trouble on 20/03/2007 10:58:07
Originally by: smallgreenblur I find it amusing that you survived. 1v1s with ew recon ships generally only have one ending.
sgb
if ur talkin bout the amarr ones ur absolutely right
I generally find amarr recons to be crap... must just be the pilots cause the ships have great reviews.
Curse and pilgrim can use the nosf bonus to kill cap while staying out of range... Problem is that they are now close to 20 km away from thier dieing drones.
Ok so they kill cap and have no drones to do damage and manage to warp away... that's the best ending i have seen in thier favor. Does depend alot on the ship they go against though.. I'm usually in a myrmidon myself.
Recons do next to nothing for damage and have next to nothing for a tank. As a support ship I'd hate to see them in battle. As a 1 vs 1 fight... they do as good of a job killing noobs as any other low firepower cruiser.
I by no means say they are crap ships. The have great roles. It's just that those roles are niether tanking or dealing damage. -------------------------------------- ---"What's in your wallet?"--- "There are two kinds of respect, fear and admiration.... I'll take what I can get" |
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Christopher Dalran
Gallente Deadly Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.20 14:19:00 -
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Edited by: Christopher Dalran on 20/03/2007 14:16:04 Sensor dampers have an extremely limited field of use, they are utterly useless whenever conditions are not perfect.
The problem is when you get caught with your pants down on the wrong end of a sensor damp your totally screwed but when conditions are not perfect for their use you probably never even knew someone was using them.
We only ever notice dampers when they work so they alwayse appear overpowered. ------------------------------- C.D's Formula for success ------------------------------- Credit Card = Game Time Card Gametime Card = ISK Therefore Credit Card = ISK.
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Lance Fighter
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Posted - 2007.03.20 14:31:00 -
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Originally by: James Adams There's 2+ BCs I would fear in a Lachesis - those being the Drake (with FoF missiles), missile ferox (with same) and a Myrmidon with pre-launched drones. If I could dampen the Myrmidon before it had its drones out I could probably take that one too. All the others are flying scrap, which hasn't realized it's dead yet if it comes to 1on1 with a Lachesis...
This Lachesis pilot had me damped before I got my drones out. I noticed that damping did not make the little yellow brackets turn red. When he started lobbing missiles at me he turned red. At that time, my drones engaged. Someone keeps truncating my signature, I swear |
Sedai Hara
Caldari The Forsakened Companions
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Posted - 2007.03.20 15:58:00 -
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Originally by: Lance Fighter 9
I dont understand how I was "lucky to survive" ... the local intel channel says they can beat any t2 cruiser with a BC ... score for them.[/quote
You might change your mind versus my rook , permajam dreads not in seige mode ftw! + crazy dmg :P
Also, a curse > all BCs that is not 1) a myrmidon b) a drake, if its a skilled pilot. A skilled t2 cruiser pilot easy takes out a BC, but its all about who dictates hte battle from begining.
Also. they say they can doesnt mean they accualy do it though, battles varies ALOT, well i have seen griffins take out ceptors. and a t1 fitted cruiser take out a blasterthron :P yes i was in that system when it happened.
But, the lacheis must have had a realy bad day to let you go. + a weird setup. to say you could tank him easy and tier him out. i could think that, but not you broke his tank with t1 drones. He must have sucked.
Still, nothing suprises me anymore, seeing Bses the size of towns going 10km/S.
Originally by: Tuxford Speed is fun and all but this is getting silly, yes we are addressing it, yes I have a blog coming about it.
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LordChaos
Amarr Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.03.20 16:53:00 -
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Bah Curse owns Lachesis any day :)
The Master Of Chaos
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KaptnSparrow
Caldari TARDZ Gods of Night and Day
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Posted - 2007.03.20 22:20:00 -
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mhm lach/arazu my special friends,
me all happy ganking a gate and a nice guy in a lach warped in, i was aggroed by the sentries and know i can tank for another 5 - 6 minutes so all good i engage the lach and never got a lock :(
he was just there sitting and dampening me till I died to the sentries. I never got in range for my blasters cause he was faster :(
my drones where just orbiting me cause i never got a lock, not that they could think, oh my mighty master is in trouble lets help him, nah they where just flying in circles and having a party :(
lesson: next time run or at least but 150km between you and the gate during your slow time of dieing, so when my friends responded to me i was in 30% hull and kept dieing.
good job veto, you got me :) ( I would have loved to see if he could have killed my 20k armor without the sentries )
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TacCom
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Posted - 2007.03.20 23:54:00 -
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Edited by: TacCom on 20/03/2007 23:52:48 Now here is something that will make Damp haters everywhere scream "NERF!!!!!!" It is possible to fit a Celestis with 3 T2 damps and some moderate gear as a support ship for under 10mil. At the same time, that with crusier 4 would cut lock ranges and speeds down to 14.2% of what they were after stacking penalties apply. Now to get sensor linking 4 and crusier 4 is minimal in terms of training, yet as a support ship, it can be absolutely lethal.
Now this aint the best skills around, and sure as hell aint a recon ship, but c'mon, a newb could have that trained in a matter of a couple weeks tops. And for under 10 mil you can simply cripple someones lock, that kind of a cut is enough to put most ships out of a fight for atleast a while, and to lose the ship is dirt cheep to replace. Just a thought ;)
That said though, it is very spcialized, and if conditions are not close to optimal, they are virtually useless. But put in the hands of a smart pilot and good conditions for its use, it doesnt simply turn the table, it flips it right over and runs over your opponant. Probally the worst case senario for a damp ship is if it's faster then you, because in most cases, it will have gear for atleast 10km or more, so it can simply fly away from your lock and pick the range it likes best.
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James Adams
Minmatar CCCP INC
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Posted - 2007.03.22 09:33:00 -
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Originally by: Lance Fighter
This Lachesis pilot had me damped before I got my drones out. I noticed that damping did not make the little yellow brackets turn red. When he started lobbing missiles at me he turned red. At that time, my drones engaged.
Odd stuff - never had that happen to me - I've killed a few drone boats because I got to them before they launched their drones, but then again - I don't have any missiles fitted... Wonder if that does any difference. Gotta do a bit of testing it would seem.
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Mastin Dragonfly
Amarr Navy Runners
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Posted - 2007.03.22 10:52:00 -
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Originally by: James Adams
Originally by: Lance Fighter
This Lachesis pilot had me damped before I got my drones out. I noticed that damping did not make the little yellow brackets turn red. When he started lobbing missiles at me he turned red. At that time, my drones engaged.
Odd stuff - never had that happen to me - I've killed a few drone boats because I got to them before they launched their drones, but then again - I don't have any missiles fitted... Wonder if that does any difference. Gotta do a bit of testing it would seem.
Drones will attack the moment a hostile module is activated on their master.
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Sokratesz
Guardians of Hell's Gate Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2007.03.22 10:58:00 -
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Originally by: Mastin Dragonfly
Drones will attack the moment a hostile module is activated on their master.
Thus, if they are deployed before you attack, they will retaliate. If he launches drones AFTER you attack him, they wont engage unless he tells them to.
Originally by: Mastin Dragonfly Radio is essential for Amarr, to call the much needed backup...
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Revolution Rising
Minmatar Venture Research and Resources
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Posted - 2007.03.22 11:18:00 -
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Edited by: Revolution Rising on 22/03/2007 11:21:09 It also takes a hell of a lot of cap to keep it up on someone.
ECM + Damps = win a lot of the time - one of my favourite ghetto builds for fleet ops.
Bellicose - you can tell someone in the demilitarized zone made this outta scrap.
highs: 3 hvy missile launchers. 1 drone link augmentor. 1 cloaking device of choice.
mids: racial ECM. sensor damp. 2 sensor boosters.
lows: cpus and cap relays or w/e you want to recharge cap (you'll need it).
4 medium ecm drones.
RAWR! demilitarized matari ftw!!!!!
I often disable 300m isk ships with this (vagabonds and such) - under 10m isk for the whole build.
Btw regarding range this is almost 90km base range: Sensor Damp
Rev.
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DarkElf
Caldari Veto.
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Posted - 2007.03.22 18:00:00 -
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yes damps should affect u that much. think about it, the fact that he couldn't hit you is his tank essentially. had u had a friend come in at close range and get on him then he's really screwed, they struggle to take on more than 1 ship but are great 1v1.
damps are the new win these days for 1v1 engagements
DE
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Avataris
The first genesis Myriad Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.22 18:29:00 -
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You won the fight.
That's plenty argument that damps are NOT overpowered.
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