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Gladia Horusthu
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Posted - 2007.03.20 14:13:00 -
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Originally by: swoj Edited by: swoj on 20/03/2007 13:50:50
Originally by: Drilla
Originally by: Kassidus Is it just me or, if Freighters are profitably gankable they should get modual slots ?
No - they have huge cargo.
Could give freighters 1 low slot and bonus that gives 100% reduction to Grid and CPU requirements of hull repairers. Would mean they can only fit hull repairers to the slot and not expanders
edit: spelling
I know I'm new, but I just fit a hull rep to my frigate to fix it last night and it was a Medium slot, not a low slot. So if the issue is not wanting to increase cargo room but to fix the hull, simply give it a couple midslots.
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Gladia Horusthu
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Posted - 2007.03.20 14:13:00 -
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Originally by: swoj Edited by: swoj on 20/03/2007 13:50:50
Originally by: Drilla
Originally by: Kassidus Is it just me or, if Freighters are profitably gankable they should get modual slots ?
No - they have huge cargo.
Could give freighters 1 low slot and bonus that gives 100% reduction to Grid and CPU requirements of hull repairers. Would mean they can only fit hull repairers to the slot and not expanders
edit: spelling
I know I'm new, but I just fit a hull rep to my frigate to fix it last night and it was a Medium slot, not a low slot. So if the issue is not wanting to increase cargo room but to fix the hull, simply give it a couple midslots.
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Garrack
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.03.20 14:25:00 -
[63]
hmmm...
If they do this it will instantly make freighters unusable solo. It's just WAY too easy to keep those things from getting away. Nice instagank force and one guy in a rifter bouncing off of him and you're golden.
Someone else commented something about a Freighter being a fleet ship. I'm not sure if this is what they meant, but it does totally become the case.
Ah well, back into the Viator for me I guess... well, until they do something stupid to that ship to make it so I need to fly with a fleet to keep IT alive too. LOL
Silly CCP.
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Garrack
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.03.20 14:25:00 -
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hmmm...
If they do this it will instantly make freighters unusable solo. It's just WAY too easy to keep those things from getting away. Nice instagank force and one guy in a rifter bouncing off of him and you're golden.
Someone else commented something about a Freighter being a fleet ship. I'm not sure if this is what they meant, but it does totally become the case.
Ah well, back into the Viator for me I guess... well, until they do something stupid to that ship to make it so I need to fly with a fleet to keep IT alive too. LOL
Silly CCP.
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Garrack
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.03.20 14:25:00 -
[65]
hmmm...
If they do this it will instantly make freighters unusable solo. It's just WAY too easy to keep those things from getting away. Nice instagank force and one guy in a rifter bouncing off of him and you're golden.
Someone else commented something about a Freighter being a fleet ship. I'm not sure if this is what they meant, but it does totally become the case.
Ah well, back into the Viator for me I guess... well, until they do something stupid to that ship to make it so I need to fly with a fleet to keep IT alive too. LOL
Silly CCP.
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.03.20 14:32:00 -
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Will just mean that all freighters in highsec will be piloted by NPC corp characters.
-------------- In completely unrelated news, after careful research, the Guiding Hand Social Club concludes that no member of the Guiding Hand Social Club is guilty of corptheft. |
Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.03.20 14:32:00 -
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Will just mean that all freighters in highsec will be piloted by NPC corp characters.
-------------- In completely unrelated news, after careful research, the Guiding Hand Social Club concludes that no member of the Guiding Hand Social Club is guilty of corptheft. |
Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.03.20 14:32:00 -
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Will just mean that all freighters in highsec will be piloted by NPC corp characters.
-------------- In completely unrelated news, after careful research, the Guiding Hand Social Club concludes that no member of the Guiding Hand Social Club is guilty of corptheft. |
Hannobaal
Gallente Igneus Auctorita Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2007.03.20 14:34:00 -
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Originally by: Gladia Horusthu
I know I'm new, but I just fit a hull rep to my frigate to fix it last night and it was a Medium slot, not a low slot. So if the issue is not wanting to increase cargo room but to fix the hull, simply give it a couple midslots.
I think he meant a medium slot. People tend to sometimes forget that the hull repper goes in a medium slot since the armor repper goes in a low slot. I know I do.
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Hannobaal
Gallente Igneus Auctorita Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2007.03.20 14:34:00 -
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Originally by: Gladia Horusthu
I know I'm new, but I just fit a hull rep to my frigate to fix it last night and it was a Medium slot, not a low slot. So if the issue is not wanting to increase cargo room but to fix the hull, simply give it a couple midslots.
I think he meant a medium slot. People tend to sometimes forget that the hull repper goes in a medium slot since the armor repper goes in a low slot. I know I do.
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Hannobaal
Gallente Igneus Auctorita Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2007.03.20 14:34:00 -
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Originally by: Gladia Horusthu
I know I'm new, but I just fit a hull rep to my frigate to fix it last night and it was a Medium slot, not a low slot. So if the issue is not wanting to increase cargo room but to fix the hull, simply give it a couple midslots.
I think he meant a medium slot. People tend to sometimes forget that the hull repper goes in a medium slot since the armor repper goes in a low slot. I know I do.
------------------ "If you ever need anything, please don't Hesitate to ask someone else first." |
Hannobaal
Gallente Igneus Auctorita Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2007.03.20 14:38:00 -
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Originally by: Malachon Draco Will just mean that all freighters in highsec will be piloted by NPC corp characters.
Suicide gank.
------------------ "If you ever need anything, please don't Hesitate to ask someone else first." |
Virtuozzo
IVC Consortium INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.03.20 14:38:00 -
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Originally by: Kolbert Am I missing something in the Patch notes.. I don't see where it states that freighters now drop cans / items.. Didn't they test this a few months ago on Sisi and found that it created HORRIFFIC lag? (Try popping 2-3 freighters at once in Jita.. watch node crash)
Please quote the line item in the patch notes for me.. Thanks
There's nothing in the patch notes. The "feature" is in the current Sisi feature set, seemingly also in the version which was packaged as a patch.
A couple of months ago we blew up some freighters on sisi when we found out they did drop loot. It killed sisi and sharkbait made us promise never to do it again without saying so first ... so we asked. Performance is much much better now I have to say, but it does become worthwhile now if you are cruel enough to warp a freighter loaded with frigs to a POS by mistake I have to say, disgusting, but sure enough folks were trying it on sisi last night. And a variety of other "uses".
I won't go into the wardec thing. There's a bordering exploit but as pointed out previously here that is not for these forums, petition it. But you're right, if indeed the feature set is in this patch it will have impact. I am sure CCP will act against folks who deliberately create lag with freighter ops if it happens, but there is the evidence problem.
And yeah, it's perfectly possible to kill a freighter anyway. This just changes things for empire corporations and logistics.
Virtuozzo
RECRUITMENT TEASERS. Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!" |
Hannobaal
Gallente Igneus Auctorita Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2007.03.20 14:38:00 -
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Originally by: Malachon Draco Will just mean that all freighters in highsec will be piloted by NPC corp characters.
Suicide gank.
------------------ "If you ever need anything, please don't Hesitate to ask someone else first." |
Virtuozzo
IVC Consortium INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.03.20 14:38:00 -
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Originally by: Kolbert Am I missing something in the Patch notes.. I don't see where it states that freighters now drop cans / items.. Didn't they test this a few months ago on Sisi and found that it created HORRIFFIC lag? (Try popping 2-3 freighters at once in Jita.. watch node crash)
Please quote the line item in the patch notes for me.. Thanks
There's nothing in the patch notes. The "feature" is in the current Sisi feature set, seemingly also in the version which was packaged as a patch.
A couple of months ago we blew up some freighters on sisi when we found out they did drop loot. It killed sisi and sharkbait made us promise never to do it again without saying so first ... so we asked. Performance is much much better now I have to say, but it does become worthwhile now if you are cruel enough to warp a freighter loaded with frigs to a POS by mistake I have to say, disgusting, but sure enough folks were trying it on sisi last night. And a variety of other "uses".
I won't go into the wardec thing. There's a bordering exploit but as pointed out previously here that is not for these forums, petition it. But you're right, if indeed the feature set is in this patch it will have impact. I am sure CCP will act against folks who deliberately create lag with freighter ops if it happens, but there is the evidence problem.
And yeah, it's perfectly possible to kill a freighter anyway. This just changes things for empire corporations and logistics.
Virtuozzo
RECRUITMENT TEASERS. Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!" |
Hannobaal
Gallente Igneus Auctorita Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2007.03.20 14:38:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Malachon Draco Will just mean that all freighters in highsec will be piloted by NPC corp characters.
Suicide gank.
------------------ "If you ever need anything, please don't Hesitate to ask someone else first." |
Virtuozzo
IVC Consortium INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.03.20 14:38:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Kolbert Am I missing something in the Patch notes.. I don't see where it states that freighters now drop cans / items.. Didn't they test this a few months ago on Sisi and found that it created HORRIFFIC lag? (Try popping 2-3 freighters at once in Jita.. watch node crash)
Please quote the line item in the patch notes for me.. Thanks
There's nothing in the patch notes. The "feature" is in the current Sisi feature set, seemingly also in the version which was packaged as a patch.
A couple of months ago we blew up some freighters on sisi when we found out they did drop loot. It killed sisi and sharkbait made us promise never to do it again without saying so first ... so we asked. Performance is much much better now I have to say, but it does become worthwhile now if you are cruel enough to warp a freighter loaded with frigs to a POS by mistake I have to say, disgusting, but sure enough folks were trying it on sisi last night. And a variety of other "uses".
I won't go into the wardec thing. There's a bordering exploit but as pointed out previously here that is not for these forums, petition it. But you're right, if indeed the feature set is in this patch it will have impact. I am sure CCP will act against folks who deliberately create lag with freighter ops if it happens, but there is the evidence problem.
And yeah, it's perfectly possible to kill a freighter anyway. This just changes things for empire corporations and logistics.
Virtuozzo
RECRUITMENT TEASERS. Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!" |
Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.03.20 14:39:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Hannobaal
Originally by: Malachon Draco Will just mean that all freighters in highsec will be piloted by NPC corp characters.
Suicide gank.
Yes, but a lot harder to organise and execute properly. -------------- In completely unrelated news, after careful research, the Guiding Hand Social Club concludes that no member of the Guiding Hand Social Club is guilty of corptheft. |
Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.03.20 14:39:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Hannobaal
Originally by: Malachon Draco Will just mean that all freighters in highsec will be piloted by NPC corp characters.
Suicide gank.
Yes, but a lot harder to organise and execute properly. -------------- In completely unrelated news, after careful research, the Guiding Hand Social Club concludes that no member of the Guiding Hand Social Club is guilty of corptheft. |
Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.03.20 14:39:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Hannobaal
Originally by: Malachon Draco Will just mean that all freighters in highsec will be piloted by NPC corp characters.
Suicide gank.
Yes, but a lot harder to organise and execute properly. -------------- In completely unrelated news, after careful research, the Guiding Hand Social Club concludes that no member of the Guiding Hand Social Club is guilty of corptheft. |
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scthes wench
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Posted - 2007.03.20 16:16:00 -
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Originally by: Humpalot If this comes in I think it is high time they put in Remote Hull Reps in. No idea why they have been left out all this time as is. Not like anyone would hull tank except maybe a Freighter since that is all it really has is a lot of hull. Not to mention the staggering cost of having to pay to repair a badly damaged Freighter.
remote hull reps weren't left out they were removed
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scthes wench
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Posted - 2007.03.20 16:16:00 -
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Originally by: Humpalot If this comes in I think it is high time they put in Remote Hull Reps in. No idea why they have been left out all this time as is. Not like anyone would hull tank except maybe a Freighter since that is all it really has is a lot of hull. Not to mention the staggering cost of having to pay to repair a badly damaged Freighter.
remote hull reps weren't left out they were removed
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Humpalot
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Posted - 2007.03.20 16:30:00 -
[83]
Originally by: scthes wench
Originally by: Humpalot If this comes in I think it is high time they put in Remote Hull Reps in. No idea why they have been left out all this time as is. Not like anyone would hull tank except maybe a Freighter since that is all it really has is a lot of hull. Not to mention the staggering cost of having to pay to repair a badly damaged Freighter.
remote hull reps weren't left out they were removed
I missed that (must've been when I was on a break).
Question is why? If they worked anything like standard hull reppers they are miserably slow so using them to tank is utterly worthless. Now with every ship in the game except freighters this is no big deal because they can dock, fit a hull rep and go repair their damage. But with a Freighter the ONLY way to repair the hull is via a remote repper. Well, that or pay for it but that is stupidly expensive especially for a ship that has such huge structure hitpoints. I haven't done the math but I bet it wouldn't be too hard to find a point where it is better to reprocess a damaged Freighter and just buy a new one.
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Humpalot
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Posted - 2007.03.20 16:30:00 -
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Originally by: scthes wench
Originally by: Humpalot If this comes in I think it is high time they put in Remote Hull Reps in. No idea why they have been left out all this time as is. Not like anyone would hull tank except maybe a Freighter since that is all it really has is a lot of hull. Not to mention the staggering cost of having to pay to repair a badly damaged Freighter.
remote hull reps weren't left out they were removed
I missed that (must've been when I was on a break).
Question is why? If they worked anything like standard hull reppers they are miserably slow so using them to tank is utterly worthless. Now with every ship in the game except freighters this is no big deal because they can dock, fit a hull rep and go repair their damage. But with a Freighter the ONLY way to repair the hull is via a remote repper. Well, that or pay for it but that is stupidly expensive especially for a ship that has such huge structure hitpoints. I haven't done the math but I bet it wouldn't be too hard to find a point where it is better to reprocess a damaged Freighter and just buy a new one.
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ElCoCo
KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.20 16:46:00 -
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-Corp X is in an alliance. -Corp X spots corp Y's freighter. -Alliance declares on corp Y (or alliance Y, whatever) -Corp X leaves alliance. -Corp X can fire on corp Y right away (for 24hrs). -Profit$!
Did I get it right? Anyway, whatever the exploit, ppl should get a perma-ban for using it.
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ElCoCo
KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.20 16:46:00 -
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-Corp X is in an alliance. -Corp X spots corp Y's freighter. -Alliance declares on corp Y (or alliance Y, whatever) -Corp X leaves alliance. -Corp X can fire on corp Y right away (for 24hrs). -Profit$!
Did I get it right? Anyway, whatever the exploit, ppl should get a perma-ban for using it.
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hUssmann
Caldari Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.03.20 16:50:00 -
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If it's in... Wow. ______________________________________
Phoenix Lonestar > Server lag was non-existant pre Dragon.
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hUssmann
Caldari Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.03.20 16:50:00 -
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If it's in... Wow. ______________________________________
Phoenix Lonestar > Server lag was non-existant pre Dragon.
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Tareen Kashaar
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.03.20 16:52:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Baleorg
Originally by: Elgar Lightfoot Was trying to not give too much info about the 'exploit'. Perhaps CCP will now finally fix it.
basically MAKING it commong is one way that CCP has to react
Stupendous idea if ever I heard one... --- WTS: Forum Signatures, 30mil a piece. Evemail me!
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Tareen Kashaar
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.03.20 16:52:00 -
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Originally by: Baleorg
Originally by: Elgar Lightfoot Was trying to not give too much info about the 'exploit'. Perhaps CCP will now finally fix it.
basically MAKING it commong is one way that CCP has to react
Stupendous idea if ever I heard one... --- WTS: Forum Signatures, 30mil a piece. Evemail me!
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