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Woxanne
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
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Posted - 2016.09.23 21:29:56 -
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Hi there!
I'd like CCP to offer an 'Advanced autopilot' that is licensed by Concord to capsuleers at the low low price of $5 a month or one plex a quarter.
This autopilot would be different in one way - it would warp to zero.
Thanks for listening! |
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2016.09.23 21:37:21 -
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Please explain why autopilot should have no risks or drawbacks at all. |
Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2016.09.23 21:48:20 -
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Danika Princip wrote:Please explain why autopilot should have no risks or drawbacks at all.
because its just another way for CCP to milk $ from players
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Merchant Rova
Pathway to the Next
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Posted - 2016.09.23 21:53:15 -
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This is ****** bait
An Amarr, flying Minmatar and Caldari, fighting for the Gallente.
P-NXT is recruiting.
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Woxanne
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
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Posted - 2016.09.23 22:14:43 -
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Danika Princip wrote:Please explain why autopilot should have no risks or drawbacks at all.
Manual piloting does the same job now. People would be paying for convenience. Also even with warp to zero there is still plenty of risk, hell you can die in a warp to zero double web alt freighter right now. |
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4795
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Posted - 2016.09.23 22:16:54 -
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Woxanne wrote:Danika Princip wrote:Please explain why autopilot should have no risks or drawbacks at all. Manual piloting does the same job now. People would be paying for convenience. Also even with warp to zero there is still plenty of risk, hell you can die in a warp to zero double web alt freighter right now.
Manual piloting involves manual piloting.
Autopilot doesn't. Autopilot has drawbacks you want to see removed. Why is this? |
Woxanne
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
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Posted - 2016.09.23 22:30:00 -
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Danika Princip wrote:Woxanne wrote:Danika Princip wrote:Please explain why autopilot should have no risks or drawbacks at all. Manual piloting does the same job now. People would be paying for convenience. Also even with warp to zero there is still plenty of risk, hell you can die in a warp to zero double web alt freighter right now. Manual piloting involves manual piloting. Autopilot doesn't. Autopilot has drawbacks you want to see removed. Why is this?
Two reasons
1) more money for CCP = less money needed for subs = less restrictions on the ftp side of game = more people = more targets
2) a LOT of this game involves paying for conveniance (through injectors / plex). With such an adult game playing audience its a good business model. What are the drawbacks really and are they any different than the other convenience aspects of the game? |
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2016.09.23 22:42:25 -
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Neither of those are a good gameplay reason at all.
Point one is literally pay to win, which is a terrible idea and you should feel terrible for posting it.
Point two is an outright lie. The closest thing in the game to paying cash for convenience is buying plex for cash to sell for isk if you don't have time to make it. That is not required, the way an autopilot to zero would be.
Just think about it: instaceptors would be utterly invulnerable even while controlled by an empty chair. Why is that a good thing? |
Sammy Fischer
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2016.09.23 22:45:06 -
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travelceptor is perfectly safe in HS on autopilot now? If a ship is instawarp and lands at zero on autopilot, these instawarp ships have no reason to manual pilot around at all. Plus a major drawback of autopilot is the added time involved in the burn to the gate, and this would get rid of that. I really think the time penalty is important for balance on this feature.
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Woxanne
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
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Posted - 2016.09.23 22:46:32 -
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You guys sound like the same naysayers who hated warp to zero instead of bookmarks |
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Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
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Posted - 2016.09.23 23:03:41 -
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Woxanne wrote:You guys sound like the same naysayers who hated warp to zero instead of bookmarks
Just an FYI, that was done to save the server. Not because it made ccp more money or convenience.
EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"
Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2016.09.23 23:38:30 -
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Woxanne wrote:2) a LOT of this game involves paying for conveniance (through injectors / plex). With such an adult game playing audience its a good business model. What are the drawbacks really and are they any different than the other convenience aspects of the game? Paying PLEX to directly bypassing a game mechanic because you can't be arsed to be at the keyboard is a terrible idea.
Lets take a look at the uses of PLEX as they currently stand and what they all have in common.
- Exchanging for game time, doesn't bypass a game mechanic.
- Selling on the market for Isk or exchanging for AUR, in short a currency exchange mechanism that doesn't bypass a game mechanic.
- Dual character training, not bypassing a game mechanic as it's mechanically the same as subbing a second account for the purposes of SP acquisition, the downside being that you can only have one character logged in per account.
- Vanity features such as the NEX store and resculpts, not bypassing a game mechanic because those items have no direct effect on game play.
- Fanfest tickets and the like, doesn't bypass a game mechanic because those events take place outside of the game.
Convenience features they may be, mechanical bypasses they are not.
Civilised behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2016.09.23 23:52:15 -
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**** bait
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
26895
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Posted - 2016.09.23 23:59:54 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote: Damn, that looks like what you'd get if you watched a pirate VHS tape via a 4K TV
Civilised behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
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Posted - 2016.09.24 00:20:58 -
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Woxanne wrote:1) more money for CCP = less money needed for subs = less restrictions on the ftp side of game = more people = more targets As players we know nothing about how CCP might want to manage their finances. It shouldn't even be a consideration for game change, and certainly shouldn't be a justification for a proposal.
Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
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baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2016.09.24 00:45:01 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote: Damn, that looks like what you'd get if you watched a pirate VHS tape via a 4K TV
You wouldn't steal a pixel. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2016.09.24 00:52:48 -
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baltec1 wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote: Damn, that looks like what you'd get if you watched a pirate VHS tape via a 4K TV You wouldn't steal a pixel. that just reminded me of the single most hilariously ironic thing
Praposal:Un-F**k Locator Agants
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2016.09.24 01:13:28 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:baltec1 wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote: Damn, that looks like what you'd get if you watched a pirate VHS tape via a 4K TV You wouldn't steal a pixel. that just reminded me of the single most hilariously ironic thing Not shocked tbh, the anti piracy mob are quite good at using or monetising other peoples intellectual property without permission.
The IT crowd spoof was better than the official piracy ads anyway.
Civilised behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
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Caleb Seremshur
Black Scorpions Inc Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2016.09.24 02:37:07 -
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Daichi Yamato wrote:Woxanne wrote:You guys sound like the same naysayers who hated warp to zero instead of bookmarks Just an FYI, that was done to save the server. Not because it made ccp more money or convenience.
Citation needed. As far as I'm aware they did it because everyone was making bookmarks to warp to zero. I still find some systems from my early years where there are gate bookmarks. It was perhaps the dumbest nonfeature the game had for a long time. |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Escalating Entropy
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Posted - 2016.09.24 03:34:24 -
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Caleb Seremshur wrote:Daichi Yamato wrote:Woxanne wrote:You guys sound like the same naysayers who hated warp to zero instead of bookmarks Just an FYI, that was done to save the server. Not because it made ccp more money or convenience. Citation needed. As far as I'm aware they did it because everyone was making bookmarks to warp to zero. I still find some systems from my early years where there are gate bookmarks. It was perhaps the dumbest nonfeature the game had for a long time. I can confirm that what Daichi said is true.
Because people were making so many bookmarks around gates to warp to zero, it was causing massive amounts of lag (don't ask me why... there more than a few things about EVE's base architecture that doesn't make sense).
Anyways...
The warp-to-15 thing was originally intended to force players to interact with each other. Buuuuuuuut seeing how frustrated players were (and how much they wanted an auto-pilot feature) they made a compromise of sorts;
- Ships can warp to gates "more or less" at 0 km (there will always be a variance to everything to warp to). - Auto-pilot will warp in at 15km and burn to the gate... giving people the automation they wanted, but with a stiff penalty.
Basically... the DEVs gave active players an advantage over inactive ones.
I do not see why this has to change.
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radkid10
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.09.24 03:56:42 -
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Woxanne wrote:Hi there!
I'd like CCP to offer an 'Advanced autopilot' that is licensed by Concord to capsuleers at the low low price of $5 a month or one plex a quarter.
This autopilot would be different in one way - it would warp to zero.
Thanks for listening! not going to happen |
FireFrenzy
SUPREME MATHEMATICS A Band Apart.
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Posted - 2016.09.24 08:35:22 -
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TROOOOOOLLL IN THE FORUMS!!!
TROOOOOOOOOOOL IN THE FORUMS!!!
seriously this is blatant pay to win and stupid on every level |
Woxanne
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
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Posted - 2016.09.24 09:47:47 -
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FireFrenzy wrote:TROOOOOOLLL IN THE FORUMS!!!
TROOOOOOOOOOOL IN THE FORUMS!!!
seriously this is blatant pay to win and stupid on every level
How is it pay to win? Its pay to be lazy at best. |
Caleb Seremshur
Black Scorpions Inc Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2016.09.24 10:03:44 -
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Woxanne wrote:FireFrenzy wrote:TROOOOOOLLL IN THE FORUMS!!!
TROOOOOOOOOOOL IN THE FORUMS!!!
seriously this is blatant pay to win and stupid on every level How is it pay to win? Its pay to be lazy at best.
Burden of proof that this is a great idea is on you, friendo. |
Woxanne
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
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Posted - 2016.09.24 10:22:45 -
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Rather than an idea its a logical extension of the existing system. Adding an ISK based item in the game that allows you to buy an advanced autopilot from Concord would be no more game breaking than a travel ceptor. Making it able to be bought via real money would be no different than buying a travel ceptor with bought isk. |
Caleb Seremshur
Black Scorpions Inc Circle-Of-Two
864
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Posted - 2016.09.24 10:33:13 -
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The concept that ISK=$ is kinda nebulous. Yes the conversion rate exists but the bank that controls the exchange is CCP. It cannot be traded freely (legally).
I'm not strictly against the idea of making autopilot warp to 0 all the time but you need to make an actual argument not just do the causation/correlation thing. |
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
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Posted - 2016.09.24 11:04:26 -
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Woxanne wrote:Rather than an idea its a logical extension of the existing system. Adding an ISK based item in the game that allows you to buy an advanced autopilot from Concord would be no more game breaking than a travel ceptor. Making it able to be bought via real money would be no different than buying a travel ceptor with bought isk.
Travel ceptor involves being at the keyboard. This doesn't. Thus, it's more broken. Unworkably broken. Irritatingly broken. I'm surprised this thread has been as civil as it has been; I've waited to cool down just to reply. It's that broken. |
Woxanne
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
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Posted - 2016.09.24 11:11:41 -
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Caleb Seremshur wrote:The concept that ISK=$ is kinda nebulous. Yes the conversion rate exists but the bank that controls the exchange is CCP. It cannot be traded freely (legally).
I'm not strictly against the idea of making autopilot warp to 0 all the time but you need to make an actual argument not just do the causation/correlation thing.
I just think it is one of a series of things that could be in game that would make money for CCP while providing something nice to make the game better for players. Another example might be changing your character name (provided your old character name remains within your character info / api / search). If people want it, it doesn't impact gameplay and it brings money in to the game its a good thing.
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Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
1006
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Posted - 2016.09.24 13:35:25 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:As players we know nothing about how CCP might want to manage their finances. It shouldn't even be a consideration for game change, and certainly shouldn't be a justification for a proposal. EVERYTHING any computer game company does is about making money because in the end a computer game company needs money to survive. Changes to balance in items / ships, adding new things to the game and the list goes on are all about MONEY, they want to keep us paying for subs one way or another.
Getting back to the OP idea. I agree with the majority here. Adding something that changes a game mechanic simply because you can and will pay more money is a bad idea. |
Arya Regnar
Darwins Right Hand
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Posted - 2016.09.24 14:06:59 -
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With travel ceptors this would be a huge force multiplier.
Oh you say you can do the same without such an autopilot? Well I've died when burning in travel ceptors because I forgot about it when i was tabbed out more often than I died to smartbombs (it's the only thing that gets you when your align is 1.7s).
Nah man, the ability to move 10 characters 80 jumps effortlessly is enticing but the pain in the ass this would be for content in unimaginable.
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