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Teinyhr
Ourumur
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Posted - 2016.09.23 23:11:55 -
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"The EVElopedia also contains a significant amount of prime fiction and official backstory reference material that has been worked on by both CCP, and our fantastic ISD Mercury division. This will be relocated to a new home over the course of the next couple of months so that all players have read access to it, and ISD Mercury can continue to contribute to developing prime fiction and backstory for the EVE Universe. "
It's been well over a "couple of months", couple is usually taken to mean two, and this has now turned in to about 6-7 months with no status update on how this is going - or I've at least managed to either not see it, or amazingly forgot all about it.
Please excuse my lack of patience, I am just getting real tired of seeing the EVE's story department getting the shaft all the time year round. |
Ibrahim Tash-Murkon
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
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Posted - 2016.09.24 00:43:05 -
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The people who are responsible for this are working on a lot of stuff right now. Still, a little communication goes a long way.
"I give you the destiny of Faith, and you will bring its message to every planet of every star in the heavens: Go forth, conquer in my Name, and reclaim that which I have given." - Book of Reclaiming 22:13
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Kolodi Ramal
Sanxing
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Posted - 2016.09.25 06:28:28 -
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Throw us a bone, please! |
Avaelica Kuershin
Paper Cats
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Posted - 2016.09.25 09:16:56 -
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this?
https://community.eveonline.com/backstory/chronicles/ |
Kolodi Ramal
Sanxing
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Posted - 2016.09.25 09:36:34 -
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Nope. There's waaaaaaaaaaay more than that actually, but :CCP: http://wiki.eve-inspiracy.com/index.php?title=Category:Lore hosts a partial backup. |
terzslave
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.09.25 10:00:02 -
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http://web.archive.org/web/20160225192539/https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Main_Page
Use this in the meantime. |
Teinyhr
Ourumur
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Posted - 2016.09.26 21:56:29 -
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While I appreaciate your help in finding old stashes of lore, it would really warm my heart if CCP would actually inform us on whats the holdup and why? I can understand slight misscheduling, but this goes way beyond that. While I'm not happy about the snail's pace this is going, just a little heads up would make it a bit easier to understand and deal with.
You know, the sad story about this very subforum is that it is mostly dead. The stickies still point to the long gone evelopedia. There are very few threads per month... Why? What has happened? |
Tavin Aikisen
Phoenix Naval Operations Phoenix Naval Systems
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Posted - 2016.09.27 00:15:16 -
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The other sad part is the lore that will never be revived. All the fantastic stories and artwork from EON Magazine. I'm almost ready to just start scanning the entire collection to preserve it...
"Remember this. Trust your eyes, you will kill each other. Trust your veins, you can all go home."
-Cold Wind
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Tiranius Avetus
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium
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Posted - 2016.09.27 17:17:51 -
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+1 for some information from CCP |
Kolmogorow
Freedom Resources
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Posted - 2016.10.23 23:15:41 -
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This is still a great question!
Also, without a new repository this bug can't be fixed.
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Kolodi Ramal
Sanxing
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Posted - 2016.10.24 04:16:55 -
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The silence on every one of these threads is very loud. |
ISD Thalack
ISD MERCURY
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Posted - 2016.11.01 10:53:30 -
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Apologies for not responding to this sooner.
I can't get into details, but I am able to confirm that the new fiction system is being worked on, and we haven't forgotten about it.
ISD Thalack Dalhar
Captain - ISD Mercury
Interstellar Services Department
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Teinyhr
Ourumur
696
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Posted - 2016.11.06 17:53:49 -
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That's really swell, but for future reference, don't promise you'll do this in a couple of months if it takes you near or over a year to do it. I've asked this many times previously, but does CCP's leadership give a **** about the lore anymore?
Anything related to it seems to be so down the development importance ladder it makes one think really hard that they just don't care. |
NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises
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Posted - 2016.11.07 06:39:04 -
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Tavin Aikisen wrote:The other sad part is the lore that will never be revived. All the fantastic stories and artwork from EON Magazine. I'm almost ready to just start scanning the entire collection to preserve it...
You should see if Zendane from the Eve reader could get permission to record some of those stories as well. I bet a lot of them would be great in an audio format.
Phoibe Enterprises
The Eve Reader - Audio Recordings of Eve Chronicles
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Nomistrav
Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative
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Posted - 2016.11.12 06:56:30 -
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terzslave wrote:http://web.archive.org/web/20160225192539/https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Main_Page
Use this in the meantime.
Ahhh... Now this is a true gem to have... Thank you.
Third Place Winner
Pod and Planet Fiction Contest YC114
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Joia Crenca
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.11.25 23:42:07 -
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Teinyhr wrote:does CCP's leadership give a **** about the lore anymore?
They've heard from players more about it, so they have a little bit of an idea that we give a **** about it, anyway.
It's pretty important to maintain decent world-building, even if it's in the background. It keeps what's above ground more consistent. That adds to game depth in important ways for players. |
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
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Posted - 2016.11.28 08:52:04 -
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Nomistrav wrote:terzslave wrote:http://web.archive.org/web/20160225192539/https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Main_Page
Use this in the meantime. Ahhh... Now this is a true gem to have... Thank you.
I know something even better (subjective) http://wiki.eve-inspiracy.com/index.php?title=Main_Page
Every part of a game helps to tell a story =ƒôò =ƒÜÇ
Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him
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Teinyhr
Ourumur
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Posted - 2017.01.21 22:28:28 -
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Little more than a month to go before "couple of months" turns in to an anniversary. |
Teinyhr
Ourumur
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Posted - 2017.02.26 17:26:08 -
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Well it's anniverary for the blog post, I hope I'm not being too presumptous to assume the death of the wiki turns a year old before we have a working lore wiki again.
Wait, damn, it was a leap year! They technically have 4 years to do it now! |
Gecko Hareka
Old American Syndicate Silent Infinity
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Posted - 2017.03.03 11:59:43 -
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...as it is this time of the year again, I wanted to point you all to my article on EVE history, where I give some reasons for why the EVEwiki was and is important. Disclosure: That is part of my CSM12 campaign.
- EVE History GÇô Deleted or Meant to Stay?! http://evenews24.com/2017/02/17/eve-history-deleted-or-meant-to-stay/
Also interesting are the podcasts with Djavin Novienta and with myself (Materall did study history too, btw - and when there is one thing historians hate it is deleting sources)... space librarians, archivars and historians unite!
- Djavin: https://soundcloud.com/mt-erall/tis-lounge-csm-series-djavin-novienta - Gecko: https://soundcloud.com/mt-erall/tis-lounge-csm-series-gecko-hareka
:)
Bring the wiki back! Enjoy! |
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Teinyhr
Ourumur
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Posted - 2017.03.04 00:57:53 -
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Excellently put. EVE needs its history and searchable lore archives back way more direly than it needs a book about how frigates are made. That is not to say I wouldn't like to see a book about how frigates are made, but IMHO the priority is just backwards - first just restore the lore in a searchable format, then work on new lore.
I now know that the story team is prohibitively small, so prioritizing what actually matters the most should then be extremely important. Postponing replacing the wiki and reimplementing its data in a new format in favour of an art/lorebook which with a small team takes a very long time to complete is very poor prioritizing, in my opinion.
Especially if you say first off that "we are looking to bring it all back in the next few months", and then it has been over a year with no communication on what is going on with it. I haven't seen any more than roundabout statements that "stuff is being worked on" (such as the ISD post in the first page) and I've been actively asking about it through in-game channels and EVE Slack. I've pestered ISD's and even Devs to say something, anything official but results so far have been less than satisfactory. Like, why can't you get into details? Give us somekind of ETA, tell us why is it taking so long, why is it a secret? If you just come out and say "we have next to no resources and it's pretty much 100% volunteer work by now", that would make the long wait more than understandable. As it is now, a multimillion dollar company that fails to do something this basic in a reasonable amount of time - a timeline they set themselves, is just mind boggling otherwise.
Side rant: And regarding the "frigates of eve", fiction announcements should logically ALSO be on the FICTION FORUM, not just General Discussion. Also, this forum still has a sticky pointing towards the nonexistant wiki. Really doesn't fill me with confidence that anyone actually gives a ****. ((Btw, thank you for being dismissive and derisive at me when I pointed this out on EVE Slack. You know who you are.))
Yes, my jimmies are rustled, I am upset and 100% frustrated. |
Hetu Hegirin
Otherwhere Circle
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Posted - 2017.03.04 01:36:36 -
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Gecko Hareka wrote:"ThatGÇÖs no way to treat Eve history." Some players get disappointed by high-sec ganking, others by bubble decay and killmails. It's a toss up between one feeling like they're being actively antagonized by the devs and another feeling like they're being ignored. The former implies some level of attention. CCP appear to be the latter in this case. Limited resources. Limited interest. Curious why the wiki came down when it did if there was no plan to replace it in a timely manner. I'm still shaking my head on that one.
Yes, we do have good third-party management of content. 21 World News events so far this winter, an intriguing Chronicle, and a major arc playing out with Kyonoke. There's a flicker of life there in Reykjavik, ideas are brewing, but the tremendous corpus of New Eden's story, even the player-driven story, lies in torpor.
I didn't intend to vote for CSM this year. I will reconsider if there are candidates who will pressure the devs to put a modicum of their talent to the redeployment of data they already possess. |
Gecko Hareka
Old American Syndicate Silent Infinity
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Posted - 2017.03.04 15:29:09 -
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You should definitely vote! With your main and all of your alts.
The next year will begin the content redesign, so this year will be our best chance to point devs to what we want lore-wise...
I linked to 2 csm campaigns, but I think there are other candidates concerned with lore too, and the high sec ticket also mentioned that... |
Toroko Shiyurida
Ishukone-Raata Technological Research Institute Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
19
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Posted - 2017.03.05 20:17:31 -
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This is something that definitely gets at me a bit. Obviously the larger corpus of care on this topic is going to be the Role Play community but even before I was a role player when it came to games with extensive backstories I found the world so much more interesting when I knew some of the background that led to the moment I was in. I didn't really get into EVE untill the last few months on a consistent basis but I loved reading up on the Lore from time to time even if I wasn't playing the game.
As it stands now the folks over at EvE-inspiracy have done a decent job trying to maintain and rebuild the vast library that was EvE's backstory and lore but it is not as yet complete and there is still something to be said of a failiure from central parties to keep a consistent database for the history of their own game. This is dissapointing and something that could easily turn prospective new players who do wish to roleplay or care at all about the backstory to immerse themselves in the game completely away from it. I don't know what voting for the CSM folks will do but I'm going to look into it because if one of those voices can foster support for Backstory and Lore Development and at the very least a centralized location for all the work the players and CCP themselves have done building the backstory, I want that person to be on the CSM.
Assistant Researcher
I-RED GalNet Site
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Teinyhr
Ourumur
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Posted - 2017.03.05 21:49:00 -
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Anyone who is interested in lobbying focus to the story team gets my vote. |
Kolodi Ramal
Sanxing
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Posted - 2017.03.05 22:30:18 -
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And mine. |
Teinyhr
Ourumur
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Posted - 2017.03.06 20:53:27 -
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Well, I voted for all candidates looking to bring lore back in to eve in one way or another found surprisingly many, think about 6 overall. Now I can just hope they get through and hope they'll bring to the table the things they promised. |
Graelyn
Akagi Initiative Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
967
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Posted - 2017.03.26 20:19:51 -
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That would be nice.
Cardinal Graelyn
Imperial Liaison, I-RED
Amarr Loyalist of the Year - YC113
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Teinyhr
Ourumur
817
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Posted - 2017.03.27 00:19:36 -
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So I made the unfortunate mistake of searching my old forum posts and finding this thread: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4038164#post4038164 For those who don't want to open the link, it's me asking slash complaining about the lack of Evelopedia fiction updates ca. 2013, the updates being very sparse in the preseding 2-3 years before that. Reason given was the work being done on EVE: Source, which was released in early 2014. Updates on the evelopedia had largely stopped around halfway between 2010 though, judging by the timeline articles collecting all that happened each year - last entry, YC112 (corresponds to 2010) was only half filled, and altough later entries were generated, they remained empty AFAIK until the very end of the official wiki.
Time sure does fly by doesn't it, and in all this time it feels like the player accessible lore has languished in perpetual, resourceless, hell. Because Evelopedia updates didn't resume immediately, no - according to this it was over a year: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=429656&find=unread For a very short time compared to the years of inactivity on the wiki, about 6-8 months, before Evelopedia got axed, it had started to get some stuff trickling in to it as detailed on that forum post that is still stickied in this forum, pointing to the very dead wiki. Thankfully so though, because I could with it trace the correct search keywords to access the same articles on the few copies that exist such as the "backstage" one.
Again for the hundredth time, yes, I know, other stuff is being worked on, you have limited resources and even though I surely sound unreasonably angry at times, I do not blame the average joe working behind the scenes for any of this.
But for the life of me I cannot understand the absolute silence around this topic? So. Yeah. What gives with this epic slow crawl? Can someone, anyone, please give a definitive answer and if not, why not?
I dunno. Feels like I should give up. |
Hetu Hegirin
Otherwhere Circle
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Posted - 2017.03.31 17:21:02 -
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So there has been a development. The new portal has some organization features and seems like a decent jumping-off point. Please leave feedback with your thoughts if you are so inclined.
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