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Max Von Sydow
Droneboat Diplomacy
97
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Posted - 2011.12.27 15:57:00 -
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Quote:CCP Tallest (the man is just a shade under seven feet) is Team BFF's primary ship balancer dude and we got to speak with him about... hell, pretty much everything. He asked what all was still ****** in the game and took a lot of notes. This is similar to what happened at the first summit back in May, only this time Tallest has an expansion under his belt and a better feel for how to prioritize things and get stuff done. This talk wasn't just limited to us throwing out ship names, but actually discussing each ship class and some of the specific ships themselves.
Please talk to him about the tier system. This would be the perfect time for CCP to remove that ancient artifact from the game. |
Dbars Grinding
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
84
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Posted - 2011.12.27 16:06:00 -
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too many words for the eve community i am afraid. tldr |
Seleene
Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
380
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Posted - 2012.01.04 09:26:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:Any news on tackling Botting / RMT or perhaps at the very least could could a DEV respond in one of the many posts regarding the subject. Or is the subject just a complete no go area as there are no bots, there is no RMT
Bots were covered in our session with ~Security~ but we can't really talk much about this until the minutes come out.
Max Von Sydow wrote:Quote:CCP Tallest (the man is just a shade under seven feet) is Team BFF's primary ship balancer dude and we got to speak with him about... hell, pretty much everything. He asked what all was still ****** in the game and took a lot of notes. This is similar to what happened at the first summit back in May, only this time Tallest has an expansion under his belt and a better feel for how to prioritize things and get stuff done. This talk wasn't just limited to us throwing out ship names, but actually discussing each ship class and some of the specific ships themselves. Please talk to him about the tier system. This would be the perfect time for CCP to remove that ancient artifact from the game.
Are you talking about Tier 1 / 2 / 3 ships or what?
Dbars Grinding wrote:too many words for the eve community i am afraid. tldr
It was a three day long summit about spaceships. There's not really a way to TLDR it. Seleene's Sandbox - My Blog, where I say stuff. Follow Seleene on Twitter |
Jarnis McPieksu
Aliastra Gallente Federation
169
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Posted - 2012.01.04 09:31:00 -
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So any word on the minutes from this thing? Needs gory details. Even with all the NDA**NDA**NDA black bars that are going to be blocking out anything too juicy, they usually contain plenty of interesting tidbits.
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Seleene
Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
380
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Posted - 2012.01.04 09:42:00 -
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Jarnis McPieksu wrote:So any word on the minutes from this thing? Needs gory details. Even with all the NDA**NDA**NDA black bars that are going to be blocking out anything too juicy, they usually contain plenty of interesting tidbits.
They are being written now with an eye to get them out ASAP. I'd guesstimate that they will almost certainly be done before the end of the month, at least that's the desire. Unlike the emergency summer minutes, there doesn't appear to be much effort to water down the info and, aside from a few specific things getting 'black bars', should make for very good reading. Seleene's Sandbox - My Blog, where I say stuff. Follow Seleene on Twitter |
Prince Kobol
154
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Posted - 2012.01.04 10:28:00 -
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Seleene wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Any news on tackling Botting / RMT or perhaps at the very least could could a DEV respond in one of the many posts regarding the subject. Or is the subject just a complete no go area as there are no bots, there is no RMT Bots were covered in our session with ~Security~ but we can't really talk much about this until the minutes come out.
As in how the null sec alliances can use them and avoid being banned and that they now have to give CCP a bigger share of their RMT gains.. |
Prince Kobol
154
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Posted - 2012.01.04 10:28:00 -
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sorry about my last post.. couldn't resist |
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
340
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Posted - 2012.01.04 11:12:00 -
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Excellent write-up on the discussions and plans. Pity about the NDA but hey, this is way better than nothing, thank you! I only wish that those who keep beying for the removal of the CSM had the wit to read such feedback and appreciate that the CSM actually contribute a lot to Eve.
Thank you, Seleene o/ The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another. - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars. |
Ciar Meara
Virtus Vindice
461
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Posted - 2012.01.04 12:02:00 -
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Chribba wrote:Seleene wrote:Chribba wrote:Good writeup, thanks!
Looking forward to the coming devblogs.
/c How do you always get first post? HOW? Are you a wizard? Rumor has it that I simply have no life, no job and a scripted refresh button
Arr, he's not a man he's a machine.
I am curious about the coming dev blogs about that are hinted at in the summuary and the notes of the CSM.
I do agree with Jade though that it is time to rethink the whole Aurum/Nex store/Incarna integration and make it so that the promised fullness of eve (eventually) can grow into the area of ambulation. There are many options but simply letting it sit there blocking other promising paths that ambulation can take and enhance the sandbox that is eve with more immersive gameplay isn't one they should entertain. - [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img] [yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow] |
Karl Planck
Heretic Academy
103
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Posted - 2012.01.04 12:09:00 -
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I wonder what the hold up is with the minutes. |
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J Kunjeh
309
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Posted - 2012.01.04 14:53:00 -
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Karl Planck wrote:I wonder what the hold up is with the minutes.
I agree...sorry, but minutes should not take this long to get out after the meetings. I guess we can expect them to land in about 3 months, when they're about useless, just like the last ones. "The world as we know it came about through an anomaly (anomou)" (The Gospel of Philip, 1-5)-á |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
137
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Posted - 2012.01.04 15:36:00 -
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J Kunjeh wrote:Karl Planck wrote:I wonder what the hold up is with the minutes. I agree...sorry, but minutes should not take this long to get out after the meetings. I guess we can expect them to land in about 3 months, when they're about useless, just like the last ones.
Because the CCP marketing and PR machine has to spin-doctor them to appeal to the widest possible audience before release, and redact anything that can be used against CCP as a "promise to deliver" feature x, y, or z, or anything that would grant certain players an advantage via prior knowledge of a significant change..
That takes time.
/yes, most of you will probably be underwhelmed. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
TuonelanOrja
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
166
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Posted - 2012.01.04 15:47:00 -
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We only need the Mittani. One man to rule them all. Not a veteran, just bitter.. |
Callic Veratar
Power of the Phoenix
121
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Posted - 2012.01.04 16:42:00 -
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J Kunjeh wrote:Karl Planck wrote:I wonder what the hold up is with the minutes. I agree...sorry, but minutes should not take this long to get out after the meetings. I guess we can expect them to land in about 3 months, when they're about useless, just like the last ones.
I don't know where you work, but most companies get the week after Christmas off. They've probably only been in the office for 2 days since the 23rd. |
mkint
604
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Posted - 2012.01.04 16:47:00 -
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Seleene wrote:Jarnis McPieksu wrote:So any word on the minutes from this thing? Needs gory details. Even with all the NDA**NDA**NDA black bars that are going to be blocking out anything too juicy, they usually contain plenty of interesting tidbits.
They are being written now with an eye to get them out ASAP. I'd guesstimate that they will almost certainly be done before the end of the month, at least that's the desire. Unlike the emergency summer minutes, there doesn't appear to be much effort to water down the info and, aside from a few specific things getting 'black bars', should make for very good reading. You know, I'm not sure about anyone else, but I think I'd prefer redacting as opposed to the spin we usually get. wtb minutes with black bars (as opposed to minutes that are 3 paragraphs long) |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
109
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Posted - 2012.01.04 17:35:00 -
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Seleene wrote: Was it spoken of 'in depth'? Not really, at least not in the official sessions. After hours, 'Incarna' came up quite a lot. I think most of the CSM sees the whole mess as a combination of missed opportunity and just classic mus-understanding of what their player base expected. We expected "more" and we expected "better".
I couldn't say with any certainty when we will see 'Establishments' because the same issues that prevented their roll out still exist. For example:
Technical - can has more than 3 Incarna avatars in a room without video card melting?
Gameplay - can has ANY kind of EVE-related game play?
Tie-in to FiS - There needs to be a solid 'link' between 1 & 2 for a large portion of EVE players to buy into it.
All of these questions (and more) need to be answered and resolved. Until they are, I doubt we'll see Establishments or anything else soon.
In terms of available resources, they do have people working on it, but I couldn't tell you much more than that right now.
Seleene, how long was WIS in developmental 4 year? maybe more?! We were shown/told multiple things about what WIS would include and we didn't get any of that in incarna...
Where is the face to face drug trading? That's your FIS link, right there!
Who asked that WIS was so graphically intensive that it melts graphics card? I think most people were exited about the gambling and a new level on interaction with player. you don't need amazing graphics for that.
I'm pretty disgusted how CCP don't think we deserve an official update on the future of incarna and it's even a bigger slap in the face that the CSM didn't see fit to raise the issue of WIS on behalf of the EVE community that want this feature. |
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CCP Xhagen
C C P
151
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Posted - 2012.01.04 17:53:00 -
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Being the guy responsible for the minutes (and the current delay - for that I apologize) I'd like to grab the opportunity to describe what is involved in creating the minutes.
Writing up the minutes, i.e. from audio to text, is done both by me and the CSM (we split the sessions between us). Before the text is sent anywhere beyond that group (of me and the CSM) the CSM reads it over and approves what I have written up and I in turn theirs. Only then the text is forwarded to the people who sat the meetings on behalf of CCP. They then have to approve the text, or if they make some content changes to it I forward it back to the CSM for approval.
I try to make sure that the minutes are as honest as possible, describing the conversation going on in the meeting room while being easy to read in terms of flow and style.
I'll be the first to admit that this is most likely not the easiest way to do things and there have been suggestions of having a professional stenographer doing this work, and while I haven't tried that approach I suspect that many of the more EVE specific things would simply be lost once that will be turned into actual minutes by such a person (as the meetings are very informal and jumping to and from topics happens regularly - making the raw transcript a very unpleasant reading material) - it would probably mean just as much work for me and the CSM to do properly (again, I haven't tested this so I cannot state this as a fact).
And the number of people having to read over and approve the minutes will not be reduced by that approach.
The current status is that little less than half of the minutes has been written up and approved, while the rest is still being worked on. But with the holidays over I expect the speed to pick up and I and fully expect them to come out the door before (or perhaps on) Friday the 13th. CCP Xhagen | CSM Project Manager |
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Mara Tessidar
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
322
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Posted - 2012.01.04 17:55:00 -
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Friday the 13th
OH GOD IT'S THE END OF THE WORLD Notify: You are eaten by the Whumpus
http://goo.gl/uX5vk |
Eternum Praetorian
Club Bear
254
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Posted - 2012.01.04 18:07:00 -
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I would like to take this opportunity to thank the EVE player base. You all have collectively brought a positive change to the game and got CCP back on take despite the utter failure of the CSM.
Although they may continue to take the credit, it was the players and players alone who made the difference. All of you you forced CCP to take notice and look past the absurd recommendations of a select few, many of which were "elected" through a flawed system that was easily exploited. To the players, well done. Without you we would not be where we are today, and neither would EVE Online. You undid the downward spiral, and even though the CSM now take credit for your/our cause, we will allow them to continue to blow hot air as they always have. We the player base have spoken.
The CSM can continue to float, sputter and "talk" like they always have.
Now, lets read my SIG. Reallocate funds for Icelandic air fare to developing an integrated player input function in the UI. Then talk directly to the customers with polls to collect demographics and game preferences
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ShadowMaster
30
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Posted - 2012.01.04 18:08:00 -
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CCP Xhagen wrote:Being the guy responsible for the minutes (and the current delay - for that I apologize) I'd like to grab the opportunity to describe what is involved in creating the minutes.
Writing up the minutes, i.e. from audio to text, is done both by me and the CSM (we split the sessions between us). Before the text is sent anywhere beyond that group (of me and the CSM) the CSM reads it over and approves what I have written up and I in turn theirs. Only then the text is forwarded to the people who sat the meetings on behalf of CCP. They then have to approve the text, or if they make some content changes to it I forward it back to the CSM for approval.
I try to make sure that the minutes are as honest as possible, describing the conversation going on in the meeting room while being easy to read in terms of flow and style.
I'll be the first to admit that this is most likely not the easiest way to do things and there have been suggestions of having a professional stenographer doing this work, and while I haven't tried that approach I suspect that many of the more EVE specific things would simply be lost once that will be turned into actual minutes by such a person (as the meetings are very informal and jumping to and from topics happens regularly - making the raw transcript a very unpleasant reading material) - it would probably mean just as much work for me and the CSM to do properly (again, I haven't tested this so I cannot state this as a fact).
And the number of people having to read over and approve the minutes will not be reduced by that approach.
The current status is that little less than half of the minutes has been written up and approved, while the rest is still being worked on. But with the holidays over I expect the speed to pick up and I and fully expect them to come out the door before (or perhaps on) Friday the 13th.
Thanks for the update. :) |
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1405
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Posted - 2012.01.04 18:18:00 -
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CSM6: The Most Effective CSM ever The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
341
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Posted - 2012.01.04 18:32:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:CSM6: The Most Effective CSM ever
Not empty quoting. It's time the haters took their collective heads out of their nether-regions and saw the facts and not allow their obvious hatred of goons to cloud their judgement.
The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another. - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
2552
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Posted - 2012.01.04 18:47:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:I would like to take this opportunity to thank the EVE player base. You all have collectively brought a positive change to the game and got CCP back on take despite the utter failure of the CSM.
Although they may continue to take the credit, it was the players and players alone who made the difference. All of you you forced CCP to take notice and look past the absurd recommendations of a select few, many of which were "elected" through a flawed system that was easily exploited. To the players, well done. Without you we would not be where we are today, and neither would EVE Online. You undid the downward spiral, and even though the CSM now take credit for your/our cause, we will allow them to continue to blow hot air as they always have. We the player base have spoken.
The CSM can continue to float, sputter and "talk" like they always have.
Now, lets read my SIG.
I don't normally do this, but sometimes it's just the right thing to do:
Mmmm delicious bitter tears!
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
oldbutfeelingyoung
VIRTUAL EMPIRE VANGUARD Vanguard Ascendants
277
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Posted - 2012.01.04 19:12:00 -
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Rek Seven wrote:Seleene wrote: Was it spoken of 'in depth'? Not really, at least not in the official sessions. After hours, 'Incarna' came up quite a lot. I think most of the CSM sees the whole mess as a combination of missed opportunity and just classic mus-understanding of what their player base expected. We expected "more" and we expected "better".
I couldn't say with any certainty when we will see 'Establishments' because the same issues that prevented their roll out still exist. For example:
Technical - can has more than 3 Incarna avatars in a room without video card melting?
Gameplay - can has ANY kind of EVE-related game play?
Tie-in to FiS - There needs to be a solid 'link' between 1 & 2 for a large portion of EVE players to buy into it.
All of these questions (and more) need to be answered and resolved. Until they are, I doubt we'll see Establishments or anything else soon.
In terms of available resources, they do have people working on it, but I couldn't tell you much more than that right now.
Seleene, how long was WIS in developmental 4 year? maybe more?! We were shown/told multiple things about what WIS would include and we didn't get any of that in incarna... Where is the face to face drug trading? That's your FIS link, right there! Who asked that WIS was so graphically intensive that it melts graphics card? I think most people were exited about the gambling and a new level on interaction with player. you don't need amazing graphics for that. I'm pretty disgusted how CCP don't think we deserve an official update on the future of incarna and it's even a bigger slap in the face that the CSM didn't see fit to raise the issue of WIS on behalf of the EVE community that want this feature.
Wis development is stopped thanks to the goon CSM So asking Seleene something about WIS has no use And CSM6 is not for the EVE community at all ,only for a small part it
We Rabble Because We Care,BC CCP doesn,t seem to care much |
Eternum Praetorian
Club Bear
254
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Posted - 2012.01.04 19:34:00 -
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Quote:Ladie Harlot Malcanis
Fanboys will be fanboys
Don't change the fact however... so... yea Reallocate funds for Icelandic air fare to developing an integrated player input function in the UI. Then talk directly to the customers with polls to collect demographics and game preferences
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TuonelanOrja
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
166
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Posted - 2012.01.04 19:36:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:Quote:Ladie Harlot Malcanis Fanboys will be fanboys Don't change the fact however... so... yea and haters gonna hate
Not a veteran, just bitter.. |
Eternum Praetorian
Club Bear
254
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Posted - 2012.01.04 19:38:00 -
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TuonelanOrja wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:Quote:Ladie Harlot Malcanis Fanboys will be fanboys Don't change the fact however... so... yea and haters gonna hate
Ah... the goon hate card. CSM was crap long before goons were in it. So I don't see how that counter argument is a counter argument at all. It sure seems copy/pasted enough though... Reallocate funds for Icelandic air fare to developing an integrated player input function in the UI. Then talk directly to the customers with polls to collect demographics and game preferences
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TuonelanOrja
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
174
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Posted - 2012.01.04 19:43:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:TuonelanOrja wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:Quote:Ladie Harlot Malcanis Fanboys will be fanboys Don't change the fact however... so... yea and haters gonna hate Ah... the goon hate card. CSM was crap long before goons were in it. So I don't see how that counter argument is a counter argument at all. It sure seems copy/pasted enough though... Yes it was crap before, but thanks to Mittani, we finally see some results..
Not a veteran, just bitter.. |
Velicitia
Open Designs
429
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Posted - 2012.01.04 19:44:00 -
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oldbutfeelingyoung wrote: And CSM6 is not for the EVE community at all ,only for a small part it
yeah, the part that voted. Same as in any other "democratic" political situation.
Too bad my candidate didn't get through last year |
TuonelanOrja
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
174
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Posted - 2012.01.04 19:46:00 -
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Velicitia wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote: And CSM6 is not for the EVE community at all ,only for a small part it
yeah, the part that voted. Same as in any other "democratic" political situation. Too bad my candidate didn't get through last year Good dictatorship is far better than bad democracy.
Not a veteran, just bitter.. |
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