Just a quick thought. Destructable stations mean that someone could destroy every station and not rebuild them in order to disable nullsec just for the fun of it. And also there's the issue with neutral assets in destroyed stations... how does CCP plan to deal with a potential break of the rule that "docked is safe"? By making neutrals indestructable so station owners just keep the corpo hangars empty and contract all stuff to neutral alts if they can't hold the station? Or will CCP really go and break the "docked is safe" rule?

If i was CCP, *I* would not trust nullsec to the gratuitously assumed good will of bored players; destructable game rules are a call to destructable gameplay, which is a call to destroying the game.

First of all, my posted reply is directed to Seleene, not you.

Secondly, who appointed you as the Official Spokesperson?

Thirdly, I'd rather die first than accept your offer even if you added in a million dollars.

Who runs the country? We're looking for a voting system that results in a government, not nobody showing up.

Manipulation by parties is not talking about fraud, it's talking about times when a voter might vote for a choice other than their most favored choice, often due to the expectation that their most favored choice has no chance to win, and thus they vote to avoid their less favored choice among the major party candidates.

Just shut up and give me my sandwich.

I do take lessons from history... and if you go back WWII or before scorched earth was the name of the game, son. Fields were burned to prevent movement of armies and decimate enemy populations throughout the history of war/mankind. During the 30 years war plague infested bodies were catapulted into towns to wipe out their populations. Hell, in Vietnam the US sprayed agent orange over entire forests/cities and invented the "daisy cutter". These are not precision weapons. ...nor are Nukes. To this day scorched earth is still policy (though it's been renamed mutually assured destruction now) but the truth is that in a REAL war... wars about the very survival of the populace on both sides, wars in which greater powers will not intervene, wars without bounds or humanity such as those I think we would all love to have in EvE, scorched earth is VERY effective at wiping out opposing populations and making potential future enemies pay the f*** attention when you are swinging your stick. You should take a lesson from history and realize this tiny little island of time we live in is one of the most peaceful and civilized periods since long before Europeans turned gunpowder into bullet go-juice.

TL;DR; - History: you're doing it wrong. Google harder.

This is a Forum discussion, based on the Fora of ancient Rome where everyone (who was politically powerful enough to be allowed in) was allowed to yell at each other. So if you want to make some private communication to CSM Seleene, you could have sent an EVEmail or something like that rather than making a public post.

Secondly, the INTERNET appointed me as the Official Spokesperson.

Thirdly, in that case, don't attempt to answer that question then. But you're missing out.


There are something like 5 times as many people living in Hisec than Nullsec. If you want the CSM to represent your interests, organize and put forward a fleet of candidates that you all vote for. Then you'll get an all Hiseccer CSM.

I could have written more but I wanted to get this thing out before Christmas. I hope you enjoy the write up. Feel free to ask questions and I'll keep an eye on this thread and try to reply as time allows.

You're not in the CSM, you weren't at the Summit Meeting, you didn't help create the Blog and you didn't post this thread. Your opinion and remarks are irrelevant unless directed towards Seleene.

The only thing the internet did was allow you to self appoint yourself as the Official Trollperson, which you do very well.

What the hell is this :

The Office of the Chairman: A ~chill place~ for constituent issues
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=29569

Could someone explain to this dbag that he is supposed to represent the entire playerbase and not the 5,365 alt accounts who voted him in.

As far as I can remember there is nothing in the CSM rules or his campaign promises that says he's required to represent anyone other than those who voted for him, or even that.

The purpose of the CSM is to represent society interests to CCP. This requires
active engagement with the player community

GGs Engage the populace on all issue debates and discussions
GGs Represent the public views on issues to the CCP Council

If you don't like the way he represents the players

i only represent my constituents

Per Wikipedia
"An electoral district (also known as a constituency, riding, ward, division, electoral area or electorate) is a distinct territorial subdivision for holding a separate election for one or more seats in a legislative body. Generally, only voters who reside within the geographical bounds of an electoral district (constituents) are permitted to vote in an election held there."

A constituent is a member of an electoral district.

So he represents everyone. What he was saying was that he only represents the interests of those who voted for him. Nobody who ever was on the winning side of an election has ever asked the elected official to represent the interests of the defeated group. And given that there is no equivalent of a constitution to protect the rights of minority voters, they get screwed. Representative, Unconstitutional Democracy is like that. FYI: He won with around 6000 votes if memory serves. There are often 50,000 people logged in at any given time (and something like 200,000 active accounts). Not his fault that you can't seem to organize enough voters to unseat him.

Every CSM represents their own constituents. Some have delusions about 'representing everyone'. I do not.

I represent nullsec, hisec greifers, and anyone else who understands that EVE is a place for war and murder, not safety and weakness. As it happens, the voice of my constituents is far louder than the OP's cry for help; that is why I am the Chairman. That I scam, kill, and gank and conquer are all reasons why my constituents feel that I represent their viewpoints accurately, and voted for me in the first place.

I represent their viewpoints accurately, and voted for me in the first place.

He represents everyone, but only represents the interests of those who voted for him.

Some have delusions about 'representing everyone'. I do not.

Engage the populace in debate. Yep, he yells on the forums like we all do.

Anyone is welcome to try and lobby his harebrained idea to any CSM member.

If you fail at convincing even a single CSM member, you probably fail for a reason that has something to do with your idea.

possibly the Second Law of Thermodynamics,)

...which means that Mittani should be lowered into a live Icelandic volcano head first as punishment...

I'm not convinced about fully destructable stations since its just one more deterrent in a long list of deterrents for people looking at making the move into zerosec, but I'd be very much onboard with wrecking the **** out of them in ways that make them completely non-functional until repaired, and a gigantic pain in the ass to repair (and by gigantic pain in the ass to repair I'm thinking deployment of very expensive, very bulky, very vulnerable repair structures which slowly patch up a wrecked station, not just triaging on the undock until the shields come back).