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Jhiam
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2016.09.25 18:07:45 -
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CCP, Please do not overlook the importance of Single player mission to the game. Not only do they enrich the overall experience of Eve they give new players and vets alike the opportunity to gain valuable experience, income and confidence in their equipment and general tactics in game. I know the focus of eve has always been from the start human interaction between players and that should remain its focus. However, don't become one dimensional and over rely on PvP interaction to sustain the game long term. My biggest joy of the game actually comes from singer player missions, making ships, mining and other industry activities. Don't forget about players like me. PvP will happen, it's enviable. Continue to build upon the Eve story with more in depth Single Player missions across all factions and levels. To me, they also tell the story of Eve that sets the base line for all other activities in the universe. Thanks much. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2016.09.25 18:12:20 -
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nothing pve related will give you "valuable experience" unless it involves someone like me hunting you throughout.
we have storys you can solo, arcs for all the major factions you can solo. we have missions you can solo , what do you want from a "singeplayer campaign" exactly that we dont have already in some form or another.
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SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
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Posted - 2016.09.25 18:25:36 -
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Jhiam wrote:However, don't become one dimensional and over rely on PvP interaction to sustain the game long term.
I'm sure the people running the 13 year old MMO are very grateful that you've decided to share the secret to longevity with them.
"Help, I'm bored with missions!"
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baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2016.09.25 19:16:37 -
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Why would you join the largest single shard game in the world to play alone? |
Rivr Luzade
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.09.25 19:42:06 -
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baltec1 wrote:Why would you join the largest single shard game in the world to play alone? I play EVE because there's no other sci-fi game out there that allows me to do so many things. Running missions, however, is in my opinion most enjoyable alone. On coms and chatting with other people, but not flying with them. The need for organization and consideration for others ruins the relaxing or exciting mission running.
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Zan Shiro
Alternative Enterprises
838
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Posted - 2016.09.26 01:02:24 -
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baltec1 wrote:Why would you join the largest single shard game in the world to play alone?
Some have odd hours and time commitment an issue. Why I left 0.0 long ago. Ask me when I could be on and for how long and I'd tell you straight up no clue really. I opted to stop being a pve leech since ops and roams were no goes and sometimes eve was just an hour or so of rat killing. Pve all I can do, I went back to solo that in empire. Hated pve leeches in 0.0 personally and made the choice to not be one.
Now solo mission running has its allure. I do what I want when I want. Crazy fitting ideas...run it. Sometimes they work, sometimes they don't. With limited time I just tranq ideas....hours on sisi is hours I am not making isk in tranq. have the wallet to support wacky ideas. or I don't sweat losing some isk on resells to market if prices dropped when buy ideas are sold off. And its on my time.
And like Rivr said not much in the sci fi realm has had CCP's level of success. Many have tried the sci fi angle and not done well. |
elitatwo
Eve Minions O.U.Z.O. Alliance
1414
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Posted - 2016.09.26 01:09:37 -
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Dear mankind, please do not overlook the importance of punctuation. I cannot stress enough how important it is to use formating when you write long texts.
Eve Minions is recruiting. Learn from about pvp, learn about ships and how to fly them correctly. Small gang and solo action in high, low and nullsec and w-space alike.
We will teach you everything you need and want to know.
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Brokk Witgenstein
Extreme Agony
805
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Posted - 2016.09.26 01:12:41 -
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HeyComeOnGiveTheManABreakByEliminatingSpacesMankindCouldBeEvenMoreEfficientDidYouEverConsiderThat |
Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
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Posted - 2016.09.26 01:28:33 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:nothing pve related will give you "valuable experience" unless it involves someone like me hunting you throughout.
we have storys you can solo, arcs for all the major factions you can solo. we have missions you can solo , what do you want from a "singeplayer campaign" exactly that we dont have already in some form or another.
That's a somewhat narrow minded way to think. I've done basically nothing but solo PvE in LS/NS/WHs for months now and have a lot of fun. More than I've had in years of playing.
Don't tell me what makes a 'valuable experience' for me in a sandbox. To me I will never have a valuable experience PvPing in HS. I'm not going to tell you that you won't have one doing that, though. |
Lugh Crow-Slave
3185
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Posted - 2016.09.26 03:12:37 -
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Brokk Witgenstein wrote:HeyComeOnGiveTheManABreakByEliminatingSpacesMankindCouldBeEvenMoreEfficientDidYouEverConsiderThat
wellletsjustgetridofcapitallettersaswelltheneedtoswapbetweenthemtakestomuchtime
BLOPS Hauler
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Lugh Crow-Slave
3185
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Posted - 2016.09.26 03:13:40 -
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Sonya Corvinus wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:nothing pve related will give you "valuable experience" unless it involves someone like me hunting you throughout.
we have storys you can solo, arcs for all the major factions you can solo. we have missions you can solo , what do you want from a "singeplayer campaign" exactly that we dont have already in some form or another. That's a somewhat narrow minded way to think. I've done basically nothing but solo PvE in LS/NS/WHs for months now and have a lot of fun. More than I've had in years of playing. Don't tell me what makes a 'valuable experience' for me in a sandbox. To me I will never have a valuable experience PvPing in HS. I'm not going to tell you that you won't have one doing that, though.
except while you were running those missions/sites you were PvPing
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Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
1010
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Posted - 2016.09.26 12:46:10 -
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baltec1 wrote:Why would you join the largest single shard game in the world to play alone? In a sandbox game you ask this terrible question? But on the off chance you are serious. Because there is is no one online in your time zone that you WANT to do things with. Because you only have an hour or less to play before that next RL event you must go to and you actually want to do something instead of wasting it waiting for others. Because you prefer to run solo rather than be told what to do and when. List goes on for days but I think I will stop now. |
Demolishar
United Aggression
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Posted - 2016.09.26 13:11:31 -
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Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:Brokk Witgenstein wrote:HeyComeOnGiveTheManABreakByEliminatingSpacesMankindCouldBeEvenMoreEfficientDidYouEverConsiderThat wellletsjustgetridofcapitallettersaswelltheneedtoswapbetweenthemtakestomuchtime
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
26902
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Posted - 2016.09.26 13:39:51 -
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Demolishar wrote:Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:Brokk Witgenstein wrote:HeyComeOnGiveTheManABreakByEliminatingSpacesMankindCouldBeEvenMoreEfficientDidYouEverConsiderThat wellletsjustgetridofcapitallettersaswelltheneedtoswapbetweenthemtakestomuchtime ntlkyndvwlsnywythynlycmntplyfrvrblcmmnctn Congratulations, you have discovered a Welsh town.
Civilised behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
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Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
602
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Posted - 2016.09.26 14:05:36 -
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Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:except while you were running those missions/sites you were PvPing
It depends on the definition (and I don't want this to turn into a discussion of semantics). Yes, I'm actively avoiding being hunted. In that sense I'm PvPing, but I am also doing it solo, and doing PvE solo. Adding more content for solo PvE can be healthy, provided people can still be hunted while doing it.
PvE in EVE is a form of PvP, but I was simply responding to the fact that you can get a valuable experience from this game without actively hunting others. |
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2016.09.26 15:34:52 -
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Here's the problem, well it's not really THE problem and it's not actually even A problem. It' an Eve fact.
There are a lot of smart folks playing Eve. I'm not seeing any PVE in the past that hasn't been dissected by the players and the solution posted w/in days giving all the details from spawns, triggers, ships to use, how to fit them and other various tactics. The latency from New PVE to 'read the guide' is a week at most. Once the guide is up, then the how to min/max it for best profit is a week behind. 1 month to several months later some elite space nut comes up w/ a clever bypass to make all the other experts look like fools (an example would be the ravens running C5 sites outside of agro range) and if the niche method is good enough (or bad enough - depending on how you like to play) CCP either says "emergent game play" or they 'fix' what the elite space nut found a way to exploit.
The bottom line is that computer AI just isn't good enough to trickle down to exciting space PVE that will remain challenging over time. So CCP has a couple of options. Drop everything and develop AI with the insight to be challenging over the long haul, carpet bomb the game with endless amounts of (essentially the same, but slightly different) 'NEW' PVE content, or focus on the core mechanics of an interesting sandbox game where players spend all day dickstomping each other in more and more creative ways.
The bad news for all of us is CCP is currently more interested in:
UI tweaks ship skins free clones new player made structures that include stuff saving teleportation space magic
(None of which have anything to do with interesting game play)
TL/DR - There is plenty of PVE content for new players to experience. There will never be PVE content that will challenge an experienced player. |
Zan Shiro
Alternative Enterprises
838
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Posted - 2016.09.26 20:31:17 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote: TL/DR - There is plenty of PVE content for new players to experience. There will never be PVE content that will challenge an experienced player.
This really. And its not an eve issue, its games in general. At some PVE is just a process. The only way to make it challenging or interesting is to spice it up yourself.
Run oddball fits, run lower level ships in the pve (my old bit of no crap the pve will get boring when you spam it with uber ratting/mission running rides). Yes this may mean less isk per hour. if the goal is to make it more interesting that can be its own reward potentially. But thats me based on say RPG play. Yes there are the easy build ways to beat an RPG game. Fun comes in the replays where your builds aren't as spec'd for easy win.
Only real interesting take on solo pve I have seen has been in diablo 3 tbh. Greater rifts....once you fire them up and enter you are locked in. Casts, can't change them. Gear can't change them. And the rift is RNG based. Map, mobs in the map, density of mobs in the map.....RNG can be kind or she can be cruel. Thing is even this breaks down to run good builds, and be good at your setups of monster AOE burst attacks. Eventually you hit the limit of builds and blizzards half assed "balancing". Yep...its the same class with the same build always taking top spots for highest level clear in the rankings and some classes just sputter out at the same rift levels again beneath them. yep, nothing to see here lol. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
18300
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Posted - 2016.09.26 20:40:30 -
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Sonya Corvinus wrote:Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:except while you were running those missions/sites you were PvPing It depends on the definition (and I don't want this to turn into a discussion of semantics). Yes, I'm actively avoiding being hunted. In that sense I'm PvPing, but I am also doing it solo, and doing PvE solo. Adding more content for solo PvE can be healthy, provided people can still be hunted while doing it. PvE in EVE is a form of PvP, but I was simply responding to the fact that you can get a valuable experience from this game without actively hunting others. My point was (in my head at least) pve is only valuable when doing it despite being hunted, otherwise there is no risk and you're just harvesting. I wasn't thinking about it being valuable to me. Sorry if I didn't articulate that clearly enough.
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Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
606
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Posted - 2016.09.26 20:42:41 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote:TL/DR - There is plenty of PVE content for new players to experience. There will never be PVE content that will challenge an experienced player.
While true, as someone who has played for 4+ years I don't always play for a challenge. Sometimes I want a challenge, fleet up and hunt people.
Other times I had a ****** day at work, don't feel like talking to people and enjoy doing mindless PvE (mindless outside of watching for gankers/etc, obviously). Sometimes non-challenging, relaxing gameplay is a good thing. |
elitatwo
Eve Minions O.U.Z.O. Alliance
1419
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Posted - 2016.09.27 00:41:59 -
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Sonya Corvinus wrote:Serendipity Lost wrote:TL/DR - There is plenty of PVE content for new players to experience. There will never be PVE content that will challenge an experienced player. While true, as someone who has played for 4+ years I don't always play for a challenge. Sometimes I want a challenge, fleet up and hunt people. Other times I had a ****** day at work, don't feel like talking to people and enjoy doing mindless PvE (mindless outside of watching for gankers/etc, obviously). Sometimes non-challenging, relaxing gameplay is a good thing.
Exactly. And if you want to challenge yourself you can always do level 4's in an assault ship.
Eve Minions is recruiting. Learn from about pvp, learn about ships and how to fly them correctly. Small gang and solo action in high, low and nullsec and w-space alike.
We will teach you everything you need and want to know.
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